Jansen Released
by SSBlitz on May 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT
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Saw it on redskins.com and thought I'd start the thread. Seems strange to me that we're releasing from the line we're trying to bolster. Maybe it was cap room related, and he'll resign later at a smaller contract. Or maybe we're confident enough in the young guns. I hope this means Mike Williams is impressing...
Any ideas?
Cap Room info:
Jansen was due to earn a base salary of $1.35 million this season, plus a $1 million bonus if he was on the roster on July 1st, 2009. He was scheduled to receive base salaries of $4.35 million in each of the final two years of his contract.
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That's what I said.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
This might be the problem
He was due to earn a base salary of $1.35 million this season. He was scheduled to receive base salaries of $4.35 million in each of the final two years of his contract.
More cap room freed.
The team also is off the hook for a $1 million roster bonus.
The bonus would have been earned if Jansen had been on the roster as of July 1.
According to PFT.
Nicely done SSBlitz
You just beat me to it.
My initial thoughts:
1) Mike Williams must be doing well because Jansen vs. Williams was a very realistic camp battle (Joe and I both thought of this right away)
2) Heyer is the starter right now?
3) Does Rinehart factor in this at all?
4) Is Joe Bugel pitching the mother of all tantrums in Ashburn?
Initial reaction:
1) this move makes sense
2) he may very well be available in August if either party is interested in talking to each other if a need arises on the Skins’ side
3) I like it
That said: Jansen was a long-time starter for us. He was a solid Redskin. Standing O on the way out.
i think bridges has a better chance of starting than williams does… think about it, williams hasn’t played in how long? he might have lost all that weight and is almost down to playing size but you think he can last a whole game?
i see rinehart taking over randy thomas’ at guard, but who knows
i’m pretty sad to see jansen go, agree with the standing O
hopefully his release means that heyer,williams, and/or bridges look good cause i didn’t see any of them other than heyer out battling jansen in camp
don't get me wrong
I don’t see Bridges or Williams starting. But like you said, Williams is probably at best, quality depth. And I just don’t know enough about Bridges yet to decide if he can challenge Heyer.
by Ken Meringolo on May 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
True,
I think jansen would of been better depth than Williams though, but like everyone else noted, money was probably an issue
At this moment in time
I see our patchwork O-line looking something like this:
Starters: Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer
Back-ups: M. Williams, Clark, E. Williams or W. Montgomery, Rinehart, Bridges
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Exactly how is that patch work
All-pro tackle
Top-10 guard
Solid Center
Solid guard
up and coming Tackle
Seems like the line is getting younger quicker, but not to quick to lose continuity. Rinehart could surpass Thomas.
And what about Batiste, coaches have had very good things to say about him too
Because
Samuels has a lot of miles (and injuries); he is coming back from surgery so you have to wonder if he will really be 100% ready and fully conditioned.
Dockery seems to be a bright spot. He’s younger (28) and hasn’t had any major injuries in his NFL career (93 starts?). But, I’m still not sure why him and Peters gave up so many sacks in Buffalo last year.
Rabach is smallish and tends to get manhandled by the bigger 3-4 NTs (which he will face like what? 5 or 6 times this year?).
Thomas is coming back from a serious injury and whether or not he can play a full season is very questionable.
Heyer has a lot of potential but he needs to take his game to the next level.
All of our backups are BIG unknowns who may or may not even pan out. I really hope Rinehart surpasses Thomas. Then, our average OL age would really be lowered. As for Batiste, I can’t see us having more than 10 OL on a 53-man roster.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Initial reaction:
1) this move makes sense
2) he may very well be available in August if either party is interested in talking to each other if a need arises on the Skins’ side
3) I like it
point 2 i agree with, cant really argue with, wouldnt be surprised to see it happen. 1+3 on the other hand… blind homerism, end of story.
I think they went to Jon, told him that it was Stephan’s job to lose and Jansen said he would rather leave and try to find a new team he could start with rather than riding the bench. Normally I would expect the Front Office to oblige the wishes of a long term vet like that but in this case (with no real depth behind him) I think this is a move that is really going to bite them in the ass. I dont care what Mike Williams is doing in camp, he still weighs 370+, has been out of the league for 2(??) years, and didnt prove anything in his first stint in the league that he has the skills to get it done.
I know when this post was written many still believed this was saving the team cap room (while in reality it is nearly doubling his cap #) so forgive me if you have come to your senses by the time this is read.
Be Surprised
Initial reaction:
2) he may very well be available in August if either party is interested in talking to each other if a need arises on the Skins’ side
point 2 i agree with, cant really argue with, wouldnt be surprised to see it happen.
Profootball talk
has him Signing with Detriot, as early as next week
Hours after veteran offensive tackle Jon Jansen was cut by the Washington Redskins, he has reached a verbal agreement with the Detroit Lions, according to Carlos Monarrez of the Detroit Free-Press.
Per the report, the deal won’t become official until the former University of Michigan lineman passes a physical set for Monday.
Jansen is a Michigan native who played for the Redskins for the past nine seasons.
Drafted in the second round in 1999, Jansen started 123 games for the NFC East franchise.
UPDATE: According to Adam Caplan of Scout.com, who’s also reporting that Jansen has agreed to terms, Jansen is expected to sign a veteran minimum one-year contract worth $845,000
what am i supposed to be surprised about?? Jansen leaves and signs with a team where he should be able to get some more run, sounds famaliar.
I think they went to Jon, told him that it was Stephan’s job to lose and Jansen said he would rather leave and try to find a new team he could start with rather than riding the bench.
Just because I said I wouldnt be surprised to see them revisit talks down the road doesnt mean I expected no one else to be interested.
Mike Williams
I dont care what Mike Williams is doing in camp, he still weighs 370+
The NFL’s version of Jared Fogel …
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
370 down from 450? He’s gonna have muscles just from walking around with that weight, especially as more weight falls off.
"You will remember the night you were struck by the sight of [18] thousand fists in the air" -Disturbed
Yeah but the damage has already been done internally, his heart is probably no better than a double A battery
He's only 29.
And he was just playing football a couple of years ago so it’s not like he’s been that huge for 2 decades.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
Woooo, front page!
Not doing work on a Friday FTW.
Cheers and hail to a trueblooded Redskin. (No racial offense intended)
Totally
When people get the news out quick, they get front page love. I hate like hell to bury ol’ Jake Scott, but this was some big news.
by Ken Meringolo on May 29, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Cheers to BIG 76!
I wish Jansen could have retired a Redskin, but that is life in the salary cap world. He was a beast in his prime and represented our franchise well both on & off the field. He was an ironman for years (started 122 games), had a blue-collar work ethic, and was one tough mauler.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
why
didnt we go after a right tackle in the draft?
yep
Buges didn’t think we needed one.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
i think buges gets too attached to his linemen, if he took a step back and looked at what we have on our line he would of been begging snyder to pick up a RT with the 3rd rounder
I felt the same way when I heard all of the interviews with Buges. If our OL could make it more than halfway through the season without dropping like flies, then we would be straight.
With the exit of Jansen, we are now counting on Heyer to step up and be the MAN. He’s a good pass blocker, but he needs to improve at run blocking and understanding our run schemes. I like the additions of Bridges and Williams (assuming he will drop another 25 lbs and stay healthy), because of their NFL experience. If they can assimilate Zorn’s hybrid WCO by pre-season, then they should become competent backups. I really like Rinehart and was hugely disappointed to not see him play last year after all of our OL injuries. I hope he can pan out. I haven’t heard much about the UFA Center we brought in shortly after the draft. But that is a backup position that we will need to address as well.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Absolutely the right question to ask
I am ECSTATIC about Orakpo. I think he is going to impact our defense on Day 1. Oher was the guy on the board they were considering instead of Orakpo. Fine, we take Orakpo. The real dilemma we face now is whether we could have gotten a RT instead of Barnes in the 3rd round. At that point there was no Bridges and there was no Williams right? Sooooooooooo…
Also Travis…my understanding is that Bugel was the one telling the team NOT to draft a RT.
by Ken Meringolo on May 29, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
All of the starting were gone in the first round with only questionable guards left in the third round from what I saw. Rinehart was drafted in the third round last year and that is about the quality that was there in the thrid round this year. I think we would have had to trade up to get an RT in this years draft. We are now very thin at T, hopefully they are planning to make another move.
it keeps being said over and over again
Drafting an O-lineman is a crapshoot…you need mature adults on both sides of the ball..not some SEC or Big-12 underclassman
the team found out...
that walkers are not allowed on the field… especially at the line of scrimmage…. sorry Janny!
JJ Fe
Jansen
Since Jon was apparently the top backup center, does this increase the chance of bringing back Pete Kendall (to back up center and both guard slots)? Most things I read from the team suggested nobody thought that Jansen was still a starting caliber right tackle, an idea apparently reinforced in the OTAs. So, just too expensive to keep.
Edwin Williams
Is the name to watch for a back up ay center. He was great at Maryland, needs a small amount of polishing, has great leadership skills and is young. I think this makes a bit of room for him.
Overall Good Move
First, Jansen is and will always be a Redskins, Thanks for the Great years!
The early release accelarates money causing almost a 6 million cap hit, although saving 1 million in Cash on hand. According to the insider, he actually does some reporting
Zorn’s job security has been in question since last season’s second-half collapse, and some team sources have questioned the significance of his role, if any, in major decision-making, but the release of Jansen, and the accompanying cap hit of a little more than $6 million, would seem to make it clear that Zorn still has some juice with Snyder. Zorn was the one who pushed for the move, which should have been made before last season.
In addition Redskin Insider has a lot of team quotes
with three primary options at right tackle. Coach Jim Zorn shared his thoughts on each.
The options Heyer, Williams and Bridges. Heyer has the inside track, Williams has all the potential in the world it’s not a bad read.
But he said the evaluation by the coaching staff – primarily Zorn, offensive coordinator Sherman Smith and offensive line coach Joe Bugel – made it a relatively easy football decision.
Another good Article explaining the Decision by the coaching staff.
About four or five good stories at the insider, what happen…yeah JLC has a new gig
Updated on Cap hit
Per ProfootballTalk
The good news for the Redskins is that cutting tackle Jon Jansen allowed the team to avoid $2.35 million in payments due to Jansen this year in the form of roster bonus and base salary.
The bad news is that the move unleashed a cap acceleration in excess of $4 million.
Per a league source, the acceleration resulting from bonus allocations otherwise applicable to 2010 and 2011 is $4.076 million.
Bottom line? The Redskins will take a net cap charge of $1.726 million in connection with the move.
But the $4 million acceleration costs no money, while at the same time creating the impression that the Redskins are spending up to the cap. Even if, as to Jansen, his total cap charge of more than $6 million arises from money he previously received.
Looks like he gonna sign a one year contract with the Lions.
Sorry to see ya go Jon… too bad you’re going to 0-16 land.
Thanks for the years Jon
Standing O for Jansen is in order from me. You were a beast in your prime and going to miss seeing you on the sidelines.
This is
All about money and injuries. He has not been healthy in 4 years. But still sorry to see him go.
Long Live Jon!
At training camp
last season I shouted to Jansen “Let’s stay healthy this season” and he didn’t look to pleased at that comment. He didn’t stay healthy either.
I think we should have kept him for the depth, but oh well. We will see what the effect of this move is.
We need a GM.
Not b/c of Jansen per se, but because dead money is our story every year:
When you add Jansen’s dead money amount with Brandon Lloyd’s amount ($5.3M) counting this year, you have $11.4M of cap space being taken up by players no longer on the team. Add Shawn Springs ($2.5M) and Marcus Washington ($2M) to that amount, and you then have nearly $16M in dead money on the Skins’ books this year.
Every team
has some dead money, although not as much as ours. I don’t like it either. Think of how many offensive linemen we could have signed with $16M this year. Shoot me
I didn't see
that paragraph you quoted in that link.
Here’s an unofficial cap breakdown link.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Haha
As GM? I don’t know if that would necessarily be a good thing. But he probably would prefer to GM somewhere.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Jansen
says release from the Redskins ‘hurts’.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Zorn said Jansen, whose game always was more brute strength than finesse, remained a solid run blocker who struggled in pass protection.
“Throughout the offseason, the minicamp and the first [organized team activities], I wanted to solidify the position, and there just wasn’t any change in Jon,” Zorn said. “You don’t throw on every down, but you have to be able to pass block. It wasn’t easy for me to say that to Jon, and I know it wasn’t easy to hear.”
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Don't get it
I absolutely do not understand this move.
It’s not just Jansen vs. M. Williams, it’s E. Williams too. Jansen’s greatest asset is his versatility, he could’ve been a backup center. I hope we’re really sold on Edwin Williams (I was in college) being able to come in now as well.
I loved the Mike Williams pick up, but first we don’t draft Jamon Meredith (which is absolutely beyond me, he is a fantastic tackle and we had so many chances…) and then we let Jansen go… if those things are a result of betting on Williams or Bridges, I don’t like those pick ups nearly as much.
...one of those guys who reads all the time but barely comments
by Juice over Whine on May 31, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
I was also wondering if Jansen could back up Rabach at center (or play guard if needed), especially with all of the reps at center he was getting in Rabach’s absence. Maybe the plan is that while our salary cap will be taking a hit this year, throughout the following years that space will be freed up to bring in younger talent…
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