NFC East Rankings
by SSBlitz on May 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
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PrintThe current poll on nfl.com has led me to this fanpost rant about everyone's perception of the NFC East in the upcoming year. The consensus in the poll, and in most analyst reports, is that the Philadelphia is the strongest team in the NFC East for the upcoming year, with Giants, Cowboys, and Redskins following in that order.
Now I'm use to the Redskins flying under the radar, as they seem to do every year. But this year (again) has me baffled at how we're projected at the bottom again.
I'll admit, Philly has a pretty prolific offense. McNabb and Westbrook, when healthy (see: half the time) are two of the best at their positions. And Jackson could develop into an elite threat (when not suffering from premature throwbackulation). But is everyone ignoring their defense? They've lost DC Joe Johnson and Brian Dawkins this off-season. That's ripping the engine and steering wheel out of their metaphorical car.
The Giants and Cowboys both lost their wideout threat. They both have great running games, but without that prolific WR threat, defenses will be able to cheat closer to the line. Both should have noticable dropoffs in running production because of the loss (and I still don't think Romo is an elite Q).
Then our 4th ranked defense adds Albert Haynesworth (99 ranking in Madden this year! haha) and Brian Orakpo. Sure, the offense has most of the question marks, but weaker division rivals keeps me optimistic we can make the playoffs. And show me a team that doesn't have a few ??? (except maybe the Steelers)
I see rankings as:
1) Giants
2) Redskins
3) Eagles
4) Cowboys
With the Eagles and Cowboys not making the playoffs. What do you think? What are your rankings?
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1) eagles
2a) giants
2b) redskins
4) cowboys
just dont think the offense is strong enough and (IMO) the two “engines” of your respective squads (cp26 + london fletcher) are another year older.
Losing dawk is definetely going to hurt but Quintin Mikell was the true probowler in our backfield last year and has quietly become the best safety in the NFC east (sorry laron). Its going to be interesting to see who wins the other safety position between Quintin Demps, Sean Jones, and (my boy) Maacho Harris.
hmm
IMO i’d say eagles giants and skins all look pretty close overall, they all have there if’s but i’d give a slight edge to the giants, then followed up by the skins and eagles tied for second and dallas not too far behind..
westbrook is older and more likely to get hurt than portis is, they both play through mad injuries though which scares me
our questions are mainly on our o line, if our line holds up we’ll be fine, even if thomas/kelly/davis don’t produce much, if they do develop thats just a bonus
I know you all are thinking i’m crazy to be satisfied with ARE, but i’m not satisfied with him, i just don’t think it would matter if our line was healthy
we have portis, cooley, and moss – and i like ARE as a possession receiver, he still has some juice left in him
i’m not worried about our D this year, but eagles will definitlely still have a top notch D even with the loss of johnson and dawk, if anything the loss of johnson will make them have something to play for
london still has some in the tank, he’ll have his first pro bowl year this year (even though he should of had 10 others just didn’t get vote in)
and i don’t see mikell as a better safety than laron, sorry
LOL, what a homer.
It’s:
1) Giants
2a) Redskins
2b) Eagles
4) Cowboys
Don’t forget we swept you last year. And that was pre-Haynesworth/Rak.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
McNabb and Westbrook
are together the bread and butter of the Eagles’ offense. They are both a year older and statistically over-due for IR status.
But the good news is, at least you will be able to determine whether Kolb is your future QB after this year…
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
I agree
with VA the Beagles are over hyped and over done as I have already said that window is shut. People who say D.Jackson is the real deal will be wondering what happen to him this year as teams start shutting him down and putting helmets on him.
by RedskinCali63 on May 28, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget we swept you last year. And that was pre-Haynesworth/Rak.
Yet you still managed to miss the playoffs once again while the Eagles made it to the NFCCG. Ill take the sweep every year if that is the ultimate outcome.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
8-8 won't cut it this year...
Regular Season
Sun 9/13 at Carolina - L
Sun 9/20 New Orleans – W
Sun 9/27 Kansas City – W
bye
Sun 10/11 Tampa Bay - W
Sun 10/18 at Oakland – W
Mon 10/26 at Washington – L
Sun 11/1 NY Giants – L
Sun 11/8 Dallas – W
Sun 11/15 at San Diego – L
Sun 11/22 at Chicago - W
Sun 11/29 Washington – L
Sun 12/6 at Atlanta – L
Sun 12/13 at NY Giants – L
Sun 12/20 San Francisco - W
Sun 12/27 Denver - W
Sun 1/3 at Dallas – L
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
I love how you reason your argument with your predictions.
We will just have to wait and see how the season pans out. Like I said in the previous post.
Ill take the sweep every year if that is the ultimate outcome.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
what??
homer? go read any prediction by any knowledgable sports analyst. many have eagles as #1. And very few (and from what i’ve seen…. NONE) have the Redskins above the Eagles. That’s ridiculous… most have you guys last. To say that you guys will most likely be #2 in the Beast is silly and the very definition of…… homer.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 20, 2009 5:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Fantasy island
See, that’s what happens when you live out on an island where everyone is wearing green/white-colored glasses and drunk on green/white spiked kool-aid while reading/writing everything with green/white ink. You lose your sense of reality. A homer would say that his non-Giant home team was going to win the division. The Giants are the favorites until proven otherwise. They own the Redskins just like we own the Eagles.
RAK EM UP!
I'm guessing
your ownership claim is in reference to sweeping us last year? True, you guys clearly outplayed us and your defense had our number. Well done. DEFINITELY won’t happen again. Regardless, how can you explain the professional analysts having us winning the division? Are they all secretly Eagles fans? Why are we higher than every team in the power rankings (I know, I know… but it is still a widely viewed and somewhat respected ranking opinion)? It’s a toss up between the Eagles and the Giants being favored… what i’ve read though, most analysts have Eagles taking it. It’s facts and statistics, not homerism.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction:
[IMHO, I really hope and pray that it] DEFINITELY won’t happen again. [Otherwise, I won’t be able to show my face on HH (my 2nd favorite blog) for at least a year…]
Let’s suppose that you are correct in saying that “most analysts have [the] Eagles taking it” (I believe that is incorrect, but I’m going to play along). How many of those “professional analysts” had the Dolphins winning the division last year?? Or the Cardinals going to the Superbowl while Kurt Warner resurrects his career and nearly wins MVP honors?? At what point did predictions become “facts”?? How do the “statistics” from last season show that the Eagles will win the division?? Last year, they were only 1.5 games ahead of the last place Redskins at 8-8. The Giants won the division handily at 12-4. Until proven otherwise, the Giants are the team to beat in the BEast (as much as it pains me to say that).
RAK EM UP!
lol
Nice inserts…. sounds just like me. Please don’t assume i am stating that the NFL analysts’ predictions are facts. They are not. They are also not always right by any means (obviously). But here are a couple facts and statistics from last season
- Eagles made it further than every other NFC East team last season
- Just like you claimed to “own” us by sweeping us… we owned the Giants 2-1.
Those are two biggies. Again, and i can’t reiterate this more, I am NOT saying we are going to win the division. I AM saying that i believe we will finish ahead of the Redskins.
2 more things… if you sweep us again, I won’t show my “face” on HH for a year. I probably won’t go outside for a year either. Also, you don’t have to believe it is incorrect… go look. Read some websites. Please provide any links showing the Eagles finishing anywhere lower than 2nd or anywhere behind you all. No offense, (I am sure you are a competent football follower) but I think those guys are a little more qualified to be constructing those opinions than you.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if you sweep us again, I won’t show my "face" on HH for a year. I probably won’t go outside for a year either.
Well, I hope that’s not true. For the most part, I enjoy having you guys come over here when you provide intelligent banner and not just blind homerism.
Regarding the reading of more websites and providing links comments, I try to keep my ear to the ground and most predictions and polls DO have the Giants and Eagles rated above us. Sometimes, I see the Eagles predicted to win the division. Hell, a few even have the friggin’ Cowboys rated higher than all of us!! But mostly it’s the Giants, and I think that’s probably fair right now. Either way, I like our chances going into this season, and there really isn’t any team in the league that I don’t think we can’t beat on any given Sunday.
RAK EM UP!
Agreed
Sorry you have to see the cowboys ranked higher… i don’t think that will be the case. I hope it’s not at least. Truth is, with this division it could go any way. I mean there really is no team that is out of the runnings for division champ. Thats why i love/hate our division. p.s. i wrote a response to our debate down below. I think at this point we are the only ones still commenting on this thread.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowgirls in for a long one this year
I see them getting clobbered all season long. The Eagles get WAY too much credit for a team with age/injury issues at QB and RB. The Giants are the only team in our division deserving of the hype they are getting, and our defense is built a little more toward stopping them I think.
If the Skins defense can stay healthy this season, I have us going 11-5. I’ll give the Giants their 12-4 from last year and the Eagles their 9 wins from last year. Cowgirls take the step backward and finish 6-10. Wade doesn’t finish the season.
by Ken Meringolo on May 28, 2009 7:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I concur
with every sentence in this comment.
I did have us going 10-6, but I’m sure that by late July I will come around to 11-5. :-D
The poor Dallas fans are so hopelessly delusional.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Man
They get some good fucking weed in Texas. Because they are all high as hell for god’s sakes they released their best player. And if you guys didn’t see Ware is going to get 26 sacks!
by RedskinCali63 on May 28, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"hopelessly delusional"?
Jason Campell is your qb and you think you will go 11-5? Thats delusional.
by aussie_cowboy on May 29, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions
At least Romo allows us to make it to the playoffs, unlike Campell
Their respective stats end any rational debate
Campell 36 starts, 16 wins. 59.7 completions, 7242 yards, 35 TDs, 23 Ints, 80.4 rating
Romo 39 starts, 27 wins. 63.6% completions, 10562 yards, 81 TDs, 46 Ints 94.7 rating
by aussie_cowboy on May 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions
yet you forget where he got those stats
I don’t even have to do any research to tell you that most of those stats came from the Seasons of T.O.
We’ll see what he looks like this year w/o him.
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
all the Cowboys are is hype personified
who cares about Romo …dating…golfing or choking…he is a non-Star
First of all SSBlitz....
It’s Jim not Joe Johnson. Dawkins was the emotional leader of our defense but is clearly declining. Demps will step in and provide better coverage skills than Dawkins was able to. The addition of Sean Jones will give us that feared hitter in the secondary as well as a person able to come to the line and make huge run stops. Don’t forget, only two other safeties in the NFL have more interceptions in the past three years than Jones.
But is everyone ignoring their defense?
You better not ignore our defense. We were in the top 5 in every defensive statisical category in the LEAGUE last year. This defense is talented, fast and very young (average age of our starters is 26.18 yo). Thinking the Eagles defense is their weak point is absolutely dillusional. This defense will be the reason we win the division.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry, Jim Johnson.
But Sean Jones will never be feared in the secondary. You could put Roy Williams next to Dawkins and he’d get 10 INTs a season from having the ball thrown his direction every play.
Sean Jones was in Cleveland last year...
You could put Roy Williams next to Dawkins and he’d get 10 INTs a season from having the ball thrown his direction every play.
Or maybe you knew that and this analogy is just a waste of space. Now, can you name the safety starting opposite Jones the past three seasons???
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow...
Please do a little research before you post something that is supposed to be a retort to my comment. Hearing that last comment completely ruined the entire debate I was looking forward to having with you. How can you possibly say:
Sean Jones will never be feared in the secondary
if you don’t even know who the guy is?!?!!? Sigh ’Skins fans……
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 2, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell
Your whole secondary will never be feared again screw Jones.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 2, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You don’t know your own team if you say:
This [Beagles] defense will be the reason we win the division.Under Jim Johnson, your defense has been great. But the 2 best players on your team are McNabb and Westbrook. That combo is what has wreaked havoc on the Beast for all of these years. I’ll even go as far as saying that, at this point in time, IMO, McNabb is the best QB in our division. However, 2008 was the 1st time since 2003 that McNabb played a full 16-game season. That means he is statistically overdue for IR.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
You are horribly mistaken.
Defense is the reason this team is an elite level club. We didn’t have a top notch offense all year but we did have an extremely consistent defense. I will agree with you on a couple of these points.
the 2 best players on your team are McNabb and Westbrook.
Agreed
McNabb is the best QB in our division
Again, agreed.
he is statistically overdue for IR.
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:1. Saints – no playoffs
2. Broncos – no playoffs
3. Texans – no playoffs
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:1. Saints – no playoffs
2. Broncos – no playoffs
3. Texans – no playoffsNow lets look at defense leaders:
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:1. Saints – no playoffs
2. Broncos – no playoffs
3. Texans – no playoffsNow lets look at defense leaders:1. Steelers – Superbowl Champions
2. Ravens – AFCCG
3. Eagles – NFCCG
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:1. Saints – no playoffs
2. Broncos – no playoffs
3. Texans – no playoffsNow lets look at defense leaders:1. Steelers – Superbowl Champions
2. Ravens – AFCCG
3. Eagles – NFCCGDEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. That is the bottom line.
Disagree.. Statistically overdue for IR??? Sounds more like wishful thinking than a statistical probability.While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense, that is not what seperates us from the middle tier teams in the league. Do you know who the top three offense teams in the league were last year??? I’ll list them for you:1. Saints – no playoffs
2. Broncos – no playoffs
3. Texans – no playoffsNow lets look at defense leaders:1. Steelers – Superbowl Champions
2. Ravens – AFCCG
3. Eagles – NFCCGDEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS. That is the bottom line.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow..
that post got fucked up….. sorry
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Retort
While you are right on the money about us having a ridiculous offense
I never said that you have a ridiculous offense (and by ridiculous I assume you mean great). I never even implied that your offense, as a whole, is great. Your offense is average, at best (PERIOD). You and your fellow fans are all pumped about a strikingly average WR corps. They are a bunch of role players who can’t even stay healthy a full season. D. Jackson shows the most promise, but we will really see what he’s made of this year when defenses game plan around him.
Yes, statistically overdue. In a 9-year period (since 2000), McNabb has only played 4 full seasons. That’s a nearly 60% chance that he won’t finish the season!
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
I did stretch your comment...
Which is why the comment was not block quoted. And i actually agree, our offense was average but our defense is above average and verging on great. Which was the whole basis of my post. Our offense has all the pieces and talent to become a top 5 offense IMO.
You and your fellow fans are all pumped about a strikingly average WR corps.
As are you. With the exception of Moss, your WR corp is WELL below average with an incredibly mediocre QB behind center. Granted, Campbell is very protective of the ball, but so is Seneca Wallace (11 TD, 3 INT LY). If Portis were to go down, so would all hopes of the Skins making it above .500.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I can assure you
that I am definitely NOT pumped about our WR corps. At best, I am nervously optimistic.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
your comment about mcnabb being statistically due for injury
is called “gambler’s fallacy.” look it up. it’s like saying that if i flip a coin and the first 5 are tails, then the next couple are bound to be heads. no matter how you look at it, it’s still 50/50.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 11, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
?
NcNabb is human, not a coin. The odds of him getting hurt this year are greater than when he was 25. You also recover from injuries more slowly as you age. If you have 20 horses in a race the odds of each horse winning are not 20:1, they are influenced by the past results of each horse…you are forgetting that aspect. Coin flipping is not influenced by past results, where humans (or horses) are.
That being said
Out of 10 seasons, he’s only played 4 full seasons. 2008 was the first season since 2003 that he played a full 16. If my car breaks down 6 out of 10 years, I’m budgeting for a breakdown in the next year.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
Westbrook has already had offseason knee and ankle surgeries, I’m assuming he is coming to an end before NcNabb. Knees progressively get worse once you start having problems, junk just continues to flake off and requires more and more cleanup. Micro-fracture surgery promotes grow and is sort of a cure, but takes a year to recover.
The type of surgery that Westbrook just had indicates that he probably has arthritis in the ankle. That’s a very bad sign for a player who has been bothered by various nagging injuries for much of his NFL career…
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
My guess
It seems like the NFC East will come down to schedule and injuries as usual. The Skins finally get a break and draw STL and DET as their non-common games. They get STL in week 2 at home and DET away in week 3. Defense is typically ahead of the offense early in the season, so I expect the Skins strong D to get two wins. DAL gets to play at GB in November and SEA with TJH and hopefully a healthy Hasselbeck. NYG draw ARZ and @MIN to close out the season (could be a big game). PHI gets SF at home and play at CHI in November. The Redskins clearly have the advantage as far as non-common games go. Dallas has a tougher schedule and it does not look like they improved personnel in the off-season, plus Romo and Philips are taking plenty of heat already, so I have to go with them last in the East. The NFC East title will go to the NYG or PHI based on who has the least injuries, most likely NcNabb and/or Westbrook will go down…they are due. If no one steps up to fill in for Plax and Jacobs goes down, then look for the Skins to sneak in. I’m going with NYG/Redskins/Philly/Dallas, I’m with SS here.
I concur.
The Skins have the easiest schedule in the Beast.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
Schedule is not provided enough weight
The way the NFL schedules games, provides for a lot of the parity in the league and teams which can rebound from a 1-15 season to a 9-7 season, only to return to a 5-11 season. Everyone asks why, when it always starts with the players but is heavily weighted to the schedule.
The actual played schedule, not the paper and pencil paper at the start of the season but the actual timing and players, just as liger states. It’s not that STL and Det are the easy draw, it’s the easy draw early in the season. Last year a team which got Baltimore at the start of the season was in better shape than a team which played them late…And Baltimore was considered a STL going into 2008 but oh how things change. The Skins have a very favorable schedule this year
RFK
or blow up the club level or make the whole stadium general admission for redskins fan, no admission for iggles fans
From Richmond to the District
Schedule means nothing
in June. Who knows who will be the Atlanta and/or Miami of this year. But Iggles fans touting their club as “elite level” is a joke. There are maybe 3 or 4 elite teams in the league right now, and they’ve ALL won a SB within the last few years. And any knowledgeable fan knows that the East always comes down to a 1-3 game separation. Yes, the Eagles made it to the Championship game last year, but don’t go touting some amazing season. You all backed into the playoffs, then had a nice run. That ended. Prior to the SB. Which means it’s back to the drawing board, to improve on a barely above .500 team with an aging QB, an aging RB who depends on his speed, new leadership on defense (on the field AND on the sideline). Bottom line, the Eagrets are in the same position as everyone else on the East. Which is wondering what the hell they’ve got.
oh yeah, and
Sean Jones played for Cleveland. C-L-E-V-E-L-A-N-D!! You REALLY wanna brag about his stats?? REALLY?? When’s the last time Cleveland’s defense was even ranked?
Now, I’ll give you that he’s a decent pickup. But does he scare me? Not in the least. I’d MUCH rather have him back there than Dawkins. And Quentin Michelle better than Laron? Sorry, don’t buy that either. With a legit pass rush this year, and Big Al reaking havoc, Dirty 30 and the rest of our secondary will be the best in the BEAST. Mark that down. They were probably the best last year, considering we finished 4th in ‘D’ with no QB pressure whatsoever.
Barring injuries (which is a big one for the Iggles).
1) Eagles
2) Giants
2) Redskins
4) Cowboys
-The Eagles offense should be boosted by the draft and Jackson maturing. But that defense is looking worse for wear. I expect a lot of 30+ pt shootouts for the Eagles.
-I see a big part of the NYG success riding on Hakeem Nicks. If he is a bust they really have Jacobs and… little else on offense. The D-line will get them in the playoffs.
-Redskins… If Haynesworth is a shadow of the player he was last year, and Orakpo turns out to be just an above average pass rusher… That defense can realistically be a top3 in the NFL. The offense… Devin or Malcolm need to do something otherwise it’s another 8-8 kind of year.
-Cowboys – I heard they’re flirting with the wildcat offense… Oy vey. I really don’t get what the strategy is down there and their haphazard draft muddled things even more. This is looking like a rebuilding year for them and Wade Phillips’ last season in big D.
it is what it is
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
Upheaval
The Boys were picked to go #1 in the NFC East last year. They had a loaded roster and ended up 9-7. Since then they’ve had a haphazard draft (rated one of the worst in the league), and cleaned house roster-wise.
You can go with the addition by subtraction mantra, but I doubt most people are buying it – Skins fans or not. Expect to see a few prognosticators picking the Boys finishing last in the division.
But who knows? After the Dolphins performance last year, you never know (any given Sunday, blah, blah, blah). But in all likelihood, this is looking like a rebuilding year for the Cowboys.
by RonMexico! on Jun 10, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Its Easy to rank in June but...
There is no way the Skins will finish ahead of the Boys…
***Ok so you went out and got Albert “Stomp em in the head because he is kicking my A$$” Haynesworth and greatly overpaid for him. Remember Haynesworth was handled like a rag doll when he played Dallas 2yrs ago and got frustrated. Guraud handled him one on one and shut him down.
The Giants are going to have more problems than people expect…
***Everyone is talking about how Dallas let go of T.O., but what happened to the Giants offense last year when they
lost Plaxico. With no one to twist like a pretzle and suck in every bad throw Eli makes, their offense looked less than average even with their run game the offense became very bland. I don’t see Plaxico’s replacement yet unless they think Smith will finally blossom and the 6’7" rookie WR they drafted will turn in an all pro rookie year.
Highly doubtful seeing that WR is one of the hardest offensive transitions to make in the NFL.
The Eagles made some moves but…
***How will the team react with the loss of their defensive leader, one of their defensive coaches, and possibly their DC. Westbrook has yet to make it through a full season. Jackson may be in for a sophmore slump because he will get game planned for this year especially if Westbrook has an extended absence, and none of their other WRs scare anyone. Plus with the aggressive defences of the Cowboys, Skins, and Giants McNabb may be in for a long year. I think their two OL pick ups are overrated and they haven’t played against the talent in the East on a regular basis.
The Cowboys are a mystery…
Addition by subtraction-yet to be determined. At least they have a proven WR in Roy Williams to fall back on and with a full training camp with Romo, he will be a top 10 WR this year. If Roy Williams provides that gap then that opens up the run game, and possibly the best TE combination in the NFL with Witten and Marty B. The key to Dallas offense will be if the OL can remain injury free. This year we have a viable backup to Romo should he go down for a few games in . He doesn’t have a noodle for an arm and he can still sling it. With Dallas cutting Roy
“Thong” Williams and picking up Sensenbaugh and getting rid of Henry who lost a step and a half, the secondary
should prove to be a little less “giving.”
Every team has reason to be optomistic, but lets be careful with the June rankings…besides I see it like this
1. Cowboys
2. Beagles
3. G-women
4. Forskins
Had to take my shot at everyone…wouldn’t be a homer if I didn’t…LOL.
cowboys in first? you must be out yo god damn mind
You bring up the point of how big of an impact the loss of Plax was to the giants, yet you don’t think the same thing will happen to the boys? You think Williams can replace him? Not a chance. He had one good year in detroit, nothing since, nothing before. He will have a more productive year with the boys this year, but will come way short in making up for the loss of TO.
You say addition by subtraction (maybe in a few years), but i see a roster that lost a shit ton of talent and replaced it with…..nothing.
You all have done absolutely nothing this offseason to improve your team, you lost key players, had a horrible draft, and still believe in the cartoon character wade phillips.
Without TO, people can focus more on containing witten, and clogging up the line since your only other weapons are your RB’s.
there’s “if’s” on every team, but i see more doubt on the cowboys than if’s on any other nfc east team
Good luck this year, you’re in for a tough re-building year, a really hard year if you think you’re coming in first.
by travisjh86 on Jun 11, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Real quick comparison...
This is for the guy who wanted Landry in a hearbeat over Mikell
Mikell
Tackles: 93
Sacks: 2.5
Ints: 3
PDef: 12
FF: 2
Landry
Tackles: 65
Sacks: 0.5
Ints: 2
PDef: 11
FF: 0
I think we have a different value system…
by IgglesFanDeployd on Jun 11, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions
What the hell is a Mikell?
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
That was me
facetiously teasing about his relative obscurity.
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
i know,
if you could hear the way i said it in my head….
eeeaaaggglllleeessss in an annoying children’s voice
He did...
playing in Dawk’s shadow.
His mettle will really be tested this year. Much like Landry was tested last year without 21, and playing with rookie Chris Horton (who will be improved).
"Sure it’d be great to be playing with 10 good fingers, but 8 will do just fine." – Jon Jansen
You just
Proved your own point I don’t want my safety to be making 93 god dam tackles a year moron,
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 11, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea
I just feel that I don’t want my safety to be leading my team in tackles. Leave it to a Eagles fan to point out that their SAFETY lead their team in tackles. What next are we going to have a Raider fan point out that their def had more catches than their WR. Or Cowboy fans point out that everyone has one more playoff win than Romo.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 11, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I was being sarcastic, i was agreeing with your post ha
I should of been a little more clear.
Thats twice today that i thought people reading my posts could hear my tone of voice
No
I knew you did I was just futhering my point to others.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 11, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Mikkell didn't lead the team in tackles.
He was second to Bradley. And Horton (who for some reason I believe is a safety) was 3rd on your team with Landry coming in 4th. The safeties job is to come up to line on rushing plays and make tackles. They are used on blitzes (which JJ is famous for doing) and help assist anytime they are needed. A good safety should be at the top of their respective teams tackle totals.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are going to post something..
Please back if up with logic rather than a juvenile reply such as
You are high
I am stating facts and you in no way can disprove them. Check out VA_Skin’s post. It has stats and a logical arguement. If you want to have a 3rd grade name calling fight, I chose to stay away from you. But if you want to have an intelligent debate, post something that would prove me wrong.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 19, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
The safeties job is to come up to line on rushing plays and make tackles.
The main job of the strong safety is to stop a run occurring from the offensive side by playing closer to the line. That’s why Horton (SS) had more tackles. The strong safety is also a good cover for the running back(s) or the fullback. The free safety should stay near the receiver in order to cover for him when the time comes. Our CBs hold their own.
RAK EM UP!
A good safety should be at the top of their respective teams tackle totals.
Not necessarily. LBs will mostly.
NFL Leaders: Tackles (Thru Dec. 28, 2008)
Rank Player Team Stats
1 D’Qwell Jackson, Cle, 154
2 Patrick Willis, SF, 141
3 Jon Beason, Car, 138
4 Kirk Morrison, Oak, 137
5 Barrett Ruud, TB, 136
6t James Farrior, Pit, 133
6t London Fletcher, Was, 133
6t Gibril Wilson, Oak, 133
9 Jonathan Vilma, NO, 132
10 Jerod Mayo, NE, 126
11 Eric Weddle, SD, 125
12 Paris Lenon, Det, 122
13 Yeremiah Bell, Mia, 120
14t Eric Barton, NYJ, 119
14t Karlos Dansby, Ari, 119
16t Bradie James, Dal, 117
16t Ray Lewis, Bal, 117
18t Thomas Davis, Car, 114
18t Chad Greenway, Min, 114
18t Dhani Jones, Cin, 114
RAK EM UP!
I completely agree.
I never said a safety should LEAD the team in tackles. I said
A good safety should be at the top of their respective teams tackle totals
Perhaps I should have clarified myself a little better. As i pointed out earlier, our leading tackler was Bradley (MLB).
The main job of the strong safety is to stop a run occurring from the offensive side by playing closer to the line. That’s why Horton (SS) had more tackles.
You are preaching to the choir brother. I was saying the exact same thing. Mikkell was our SS last year. With Dawk next to him as the FS.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
How did I know that was coming.
If it wasnt for Fletcher, you wouldn’t have anybody even close to making your list. Rocky is a very distant 2nd with 87.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 19, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles.
From all these posts everyone seems to forget the Eagles exceptional draft. Not one person mentioned Jeremy Maclin. He is an inch 1/2 and 20 pounds heavier than DeSean with the same speed and quickness. That, plus a healthy Kevin Curtis = 3 players that run 4.4 with great quickness, good luck covering that. As for Westbrook, we fortified the running game with the addition of not only LeSean McCoy, who was a stud at Pitt, but Leonard Weaver. Weaver has been a top 5 fullback the past few seasons with Seattle and will help eliminate the short running game woes from last year as well as be a great lead blocker. Jason Peters is not overrated as he has been a two time pro bowler. And let’s not forget the 700 pounds of Andrews brothers we have anchoring the right side of the line. Add that to our third ranked defense from last year which is only going to get better with experience, and you see why the Birds are ranked in the power rankings so much higher.
I like the Redskins defense, don’t get me wrong. Your O-line is alright and obviously portis is a stud. I’m not a fan of Moss or ARE. Campbell is solid but he needs to really step up if you guys really want to compete.
Also don’t forget Cornelius Ingram the TE from Florida, he is ridiculously athletic and if he wasn’t injured his senior year would’ve been a 1st or 2nd round pick.
Good luck this season skins fans.
Can
we have Maclin play one game before we put the guy in the HOF.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 11, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with most of your points,
but like what the two people above me said, they haven’t played in an nfl game yet, but they do have alot of potential.
I’m still a little unconvinced about peters being great, i think the only way he is an upgrade is that he is younger.
When you say you aren’t a fan of Moss, are you saying he isn’t a good receiver or you just don’t like him? Moss is a stud, he commands attention from the defense. I’ll leave it at that.
Peters
I was worried at first when the eagles signed Peters, but after reading and seeing the video from the Bills blog, I’m not concerned. See link. He gives up a lot of sacks, at least 4 result in fumbles and one for a safety. He looks like Jansen trying to pass block.
I agree.
They haven’t played an NFL game yet, but do have the potential to do some big things. Overall I was just in awe with the fact when discussing the eagles neither Maclin nor Weaver and McCoy were even mentioned one time, as they will definitely do something this season.
As for Moss, I do believe he commands a defenses attention. He is a complete receiver for his size and will continue to burn defenses with bombs and bubble screens. He has just turned 30 but I don’t see him dropping production too much, so more or less, I just don’t like him haha. When analyzing the Redskins the defense is top 5 no question. I honestly just see too much relying on Campbell once again. I never see him cracking into the Top 10 in QB’s.
One thing I do see is the Redskins with their best chance to compete for a playoff spot this year. I honestly see both Dallas and the Giants falling off. With no plax you see what a good defense can do to Jacobs when they stack the run as the Eagles did in the two games at the meadowlands. The defensive front for the Giants is solid, but I’m not sold at all on their secondary. As for Dallas, this whole addition by subtraction plan will just show Romo for what he is, a complete scrub.
"but do have the potential to do some big things"
So did Michael Westbrook
From Richmond to the District
Seriously Eagles give McNabb an extension
the rest of the division thanks you
From Richmond to the District
Iggles fans are funny
bq.“I’m not a fan of Moss.”
So, let me get this straight. You don’t like Moss, but you like DeSean Jackson who, if he’s lucky, will be the same type of player as Moss one day.
bq.“He is an inch 1/2 and 20 pounds heavier than DeSean”
Which makes him what, 5’9, 190?
We have never had trouble covering your receivers over the long haul, and that was without a pass rush. We will have a pass rush this year, we have the same secondary that got us the #4 defense last year, and we have backline players that can actually catch McDrabb’s errant throws.
But hey, keep following the Pied Piper national media, thinking that the Skins are gonna finish last. They say that every year, never giving us credit. They always make it sound like we have no chance of competing. Yet there we are, every year (minus the Spurrier debacle), right in the thick of things in the NFC East. I’m not saying we’re going to win the division, I’m saying we have just as good a chance as everyone. Just like every year. This division is tight every year, yet the Skins people never give us any credit. That’s fine though, I like being the underdog.
by CJHutch on Jun 12, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jackson
Will never be Moss in this world or any other.
by RedskinCali63 on Jun 12, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Jackson
played a lead role in getting the Eagles to the NFC Championships…. where has Moss or ARE gotten you guys?
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 20, 2009 5:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Jackson
played on a team with 52 other players that made it to the NFC Championship (notice I left off the s). That certainly doesn’t make him better than Moss. In fact, until he has more than 1 year of decent production and clears the 1000-yard mark, he doesn’t even deserve to be in the same breath as Moss.
But, to answer your question: They’ve gotten us to the same number of SBs that Jackson has been to.
RAK EM UP!
So if a team doesn't go to or win a superbowl
then nothing matters? That sounds like someone who hasn’t come close to a superbowl in a while… and I admit i sound like someone whose team hasn’t won a superbowl in a while/ever… but regardless, making it to the NFC Champsionshipss is an accomplishment. All i’m saying is that you have to recognize that jackson playing a major role in an accomplishment like that as a rookie shows immense potential. To say he’s not ever going to be as good as moss is ridiculous.
Moss had about 100 yards and 15 rec. more last year than desean and he is your go-to guy. Your #1 receiver. Better numbers? yes. 8th year as a WR? yes. Those number are not , however, THAT much better than our #2 rookie receiver.
And trust me, you don’t want me to compare rookie stats.. You definitely don’t want me to compare his second year stats either where he played every game but one… those are ugly (though i’m assuming the numbers are so low because he had little playing time in those games. I hope.) Either way, so far, Jackson is well on his way to becoming a better receiver than Moss and ARE.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
NEWS FLASH:
DeSean Jackson was your #1 receiver last year!! hahaha. None of your other scrub WRs even had as many yards/TDs as Antwaan Randle El!! That’s pathetic, bro. And if you want to pull the injury card, then I guess that just makes ARE better than them in terms of durability. Remember the story of the tortoise and the hare and how the tortoise actually won because he finished the race?
Jackson may or may not ever have Moss’s career. It’s way too soon to tell. Let’s see how he does going into this season with a bulls-eye on his jersey . I’m hoping for a sophomore slump…
RAK EM UP!
A bullseye on his jersey
will effect a player’s 2nd year performance a LOT less than having an entire year to learn the offense. I hope that makes sense… what i’m saying is that having a year to learn an offense and learn how to effectively use off. schemes is way bigger of an advantage than the disadvantage of teams having a “bullseye on his jersey”… or watching him on film. Whatever. Who cares. I’ll take a year with an exponential learning curve over some “bullseye on his jersey” threat.
Also, you say it’s pathetic that ARE had more yards than all of our receivers besides jackson? no shit he had more yards. Do you have any idea how our offense is run? obviously not. We rotate receivers just like we rotate defenders. We have complex coordinators with complex strategies:
Players with over 250 receiving yards:
Skins: Moss, Randle el, Cooley
Eagles: Jackson, Greg Lewis, Westbrook, LJ Smith, Hank Baskett, Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Correll Buckhalter
So to say that it is “pathetic” that ARE has more yards than our “scrub” WRs is a misinformed statement. What might be pathetic is your complete lack of depth in the receiving department. Also the fact that ARE started all 16 games (i believe) and put up that low of numbers… It’s easy to be durable when you never get the ball thrown to you.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand how your offense works. Jim Zorn is steadily implementing the WCO here as well. But the main reason why the ball was spread around so much last year, and why Jackson even had that much playing time, was because the starters couldn’t stay on the field. Don’t act like it was all part of Reid’s master plan. Besides, it’s a running joke (no pun intended) that whenever Reid tries to pass his way out of a hole, the Eaglets LOSE. Westbrook has really been the key to your offense all of these years (besides T.O.). No Westbrook makes the Iggles one-dimensional. And D Jax is your only real legitimate receiving threat. Much like, right now, Moss is ours.
RAK EM UP!
I'm sticking with reid's master plan
I think it was in his plan to injure everyone just so he can spread the ball around more. He’s a genious. Haha. You’re right though, our WR core is riddled with injury and inconsistency. However, we are getting our best receiver back. Kevin Curtis is reporting that he is 100% healthy (finally) and in 2007 had a year very similar to Moss’ last year. Him and jackson are two dangerous receivers. The Westbrook situation is scary I will admit. I am not thrilled about his status nor his delay in getting his ankle taken care of. We’ll just have to see how everything pans out. This is why i love the offseason… debates are literally impossible to win b/c everything right now is speculation, opinion, potential, and hope.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
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