Sporting News: More 'Expert' Rankings Redskins Do Poorly In
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 3:57 PM EDT
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SportingNews.com recently posted their top 20 rankings for Tight Ends, Offensive Tackles, Guards, Centers, and Wide Receivers. With how poorly the Skins' offense did last year, I wasn't too optimistic they would fair well, especially after how low the Skins have ranked in the 2009 power rankings. In the words of Rodney Dangerfield, 'No Respect!'
Before I reviewed the Sporting News' rankings lists, I thought to myself it was a given Chris Cooley, Santana Moss, and Chris Samuels would highlight the page in some capacity. Next, I guessed Cooley and Samuels would be around #6, and Tanaman around #15. Take a second to think yourself. One of the three fore-mentioned names didn't make the top 20, and I missed another Redskin completely, who squeaked in at a #19 spot....
To view the Sportings News' explanation for their picks, click each position: Tight Ends, Offensive Tackles, Guards, Centers, and Wide Recievers.
Dockery, the only Skins ranked OL besides Samuels, slipped into the top 20 for Guards, but we don't need to address the top 20 with the Skins' Oline. It's too suspect and ranks one of the poorest. Cooley is coming off a 1 TD year with 2 back-breaking fumbles in key games, so no argument here with him at #8. I'm a little surprised Orlando Pace is above Chris Samuels though. Orlando will soon be 35 years old, and is only valuable at pass-blocking, so how does that put him over Samuels? Right, because the Skins stink and don't have Cutler. Does Orlando get a #9 ranking with Cutler still in Denver? Probably not.
The WR ranking is rather baffling to me for more reasons than Santana not making the list. Wes Welker is better than Santana Moss? Really? Walker's role as a slot WR should never be under-rated. He is a major part of the Pats' offense, but Santana wins games. The big joke of this ranking is Steve Smith at #10 and not at #6. Another mystery is Chad Johnson. Is there anyone who really would want Ocho Stinko over Housh?
| Rank | TE | OT | WR |
| 1 | Jason Witten (DAL) | Ryan Clady (DEN) | Larry Fitzgerald |
| 2 | Tony Gonzalez (ATL) | Walter Jones (SEA) | Andre Johnson |
| 3 | Dallas Clark (IND) | Jason Peters (SEA) | Reggie Wayne |
| 4 | Kellen Winslow (TAM) | Joe Thomas (CLE) | Anquan Boldin |
| 5 | Antonio Gates (SD) | Michael Roos (TEN) | Randy Moss |
| 6 | Heath Miller (PIT) | Jordan Gross (CAR) | Terrell Owens |
| 7 | Owen Daniels (HOU) | Jammal Brown (NO) | Braylon Edwards |
| 8 | Chris Cooley (WAS) | Jake Long (MIA) | Lee Evans |
| 9 | Todd Heap (BAL) | Orlando Pace | Greg Jennings |
| 10 | Bo Scaife (TEN) | Chris Samuels (WAS) | Steve Smith |
| 11 | Ben Watson (NE) | Chad Clifton (GB) | Calvin Johnson |
| 12 | Zach Miller (OAK) | Flozell Adams (DAL) | Roy Williams |
| 13 | Greg Olsen (CHI) | Bryant McKinnie (MIN) | Donald Driver |
| 14 | Jeremy Shockey (NO) | Jared Gaither (BAL) | Marques Colston |
| 15 | John Carlson (SEA) | David Diehl (NYG) | Roddy White |
| 16 | Kevin Boss (NYG) | Matt Light (NE) | Chad Johnson |
| 17 | Visanthe Shiancoe (MIN) | Eric Winston (HOU) | Brandon Marshall |
| 18 | Dustin Keller (NYJ) | Marcus McNeill (SAN) | T.J. Houshmandzadeh |
| 19 | Brent Celek (PHI) | Vernon Carey (MIA) | Hines Ward |
| 20 | Brandon Pettigrew (DET) | Sam Baker (ATL) | Wes Welker |
It's going to be a long off-season Redskins fans so brace yourself for more "expert" rankings the Redskins get over-looked in. What are your thoughts? Doesn't it seem mainstream media seems to judge players by their fantasy numbers and not realistic abilities?
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Yes, Wes Welker is far better than Santana. Sorry boys.
Santana is inconsistent, injury-prone, and too undersized to be a possession WR.
He is not what I’d call a “good” #1 WR. He’s a great #2.
I don’t think I’d take Santana over any of the 20 players listed.
by smutsboy1 on May 18, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You wouldn't take tana
over Roy Williams? HAHAHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on May 18, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would def..
take RW over SM
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 19, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 receiving stats
Roy Williams: 36 rec., 430 yds., 2 TDs.
Santana Moss: 79 rec., 1044 yds., 7 TDs.
Can I play in your fantasy league?
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
by VA_Skin on May 19, 2009 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even ARE
had better numbers than RW.
ARE: 53 rec., 593 yds., 4 TDs.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
by VA_Skin on May 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also played...
On a REALLY, REALLY, REALLY bad team! He will do GREAT in Dal. I’m not going to downplay his talent as a WR b/c he is a cowgirl! Moss is a great athlete- but as a QB, I would rather throw at Williams at WR.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 19, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 of those games from 2008
RW was with Dallas. And in that 10-game period, he had a grand total of 19 rec., 198 yds. and 1 TD. He will put up better numbers this year being the #1 with no T.O., but I would not expect “GREAT”. And certainly nowhere near what T.O. did there.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
by VA_Skin on May 19, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Case closed! ARE is clearly the better WR!
by smutsboy1 on May 20, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
way Santana is a muck better WR.
by RedskinCali63 on May 19, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At worst, it’s arguable. Roy is a good possession WR with amazing hands.
As I said, that WR list isn’t that far off.
by smutsboy1 on May 19, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over 1000 yards receiving and 7 TDs says otherwise.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
by VA_Skin on May 19, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
Imagine what a better WR would be able to do! ;)
I’m just yankin’ with ya man….
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 19, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely needs help
Because all of those numbers SM put up last year was done fighting through double and triple teams.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
by VA_Skin on May 19, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Santana injury proned?
Games played are below…thats pretty good. What would Tana’s stats be at New England? Ridiculous. He had 1044 yards with 6 Tds last year in one of the worst offenses.
2008 – 16
2007- 14
2006 – 14
2005- 16
2004 – 15
2003- 16
2002 – 15
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes. he’s had hamstring and leg issues for at least half of the past few seasons, and I know you know this.
Hence his inconsistent catch #’s
by smutsboy1 on May 19, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Misconception and misunderstanding
It seems that the so called “experts” are becoming less and less important and who may not have a job for a print media. It’s not the internet which is killing the media, it’s the internet has provided insights to the lack of actual reporting based on information instead of “homerisms” and a lack of effort.
The Sporting News, a paper which I had some respect left…gives us this..
TE: The best are those who can impact the passing game and do enough as a blocker to be an every-down player.
A simple statement, provides a ton of conjecture but even to the slightest fan how can a Kellen Winslow who played in 10 games last year and has caught a total of 11 TD in his 5 year, yes 2 years on IR, career be in the Top-10. One flawed player, questions the entire rankings. A look at Owen Daniels shows a player with potential, after 3 years in the league has played well and shows potential but better than a player with 5 years and solid pro bowl performance. NOT!
IT will be a long off-season
by dr WNC on May 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention
Cooley is notoriously one of the worst blocking TEs in the league.
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rankings
Why is Jason Peters (SEA) – shouldn’t it be PHI? lol
TE Comments:
I like that John Carlson kid out of Seattle –
Chris Cooley would be higher if he had more TD’s
I don’t think Brent Celek is in the Top 20 just yet – he only had about 4 quality games.
I think Tony Scheffler should be on that list. As well ask Billy Miller considering he’s splitting so much time at the TE slot in NO.
OL Comments:
I think Samuels is a bit better than Orlando Pace
WR Comments:
I think Lee and Braylon should be a few notches lower, Calvin and Steve Smith should be a bit higher.
by Kia.Area51 on May 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
welcome to HH
Yea, i agree with all that. Calvin Johnson is definitely better than a lot of these WRs above him. TO his career has had pro-bowlers Garcia, McNabb, and Romo throwing to him. It’s going to get real ugly in Buffalo quick with Trent Edwards throwing to him. (Trent is decent for sure, but there’s def a drop-off there from the previous QBs…not to mention TO playing home games in the 0 degree weather)
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CJ
will have a break-out year this year with his new QB….
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 19, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his break out year already happened.
by smutsboy1 on May 19, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how bout a
1500+ and 15+… and move up to WR#1- he is listed as wr#2 behind Bryant Johnson last year?
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 19, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is listed as wr#2 behind Bryant Johnson last year
where?
by smutsboy1 on May 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not saying CJ is the #2, it’s referring to the Flanker and Split End positions, which are the two different WR positions.
by smutsboy1 on May 20, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It says
WR#2!! is that the flanker/slot? I didn’t think that the depth chart subcatagorized the WR position since the position is pliable depending on the offense being ran. LOL- I’m an idiot, and this isn’t the first time I’ve been misguided!! LOL
I nominate myself for Summer’s Eve product of the week!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on May 20, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
New to this site
I think Cooley should be rated at #6 on this poll. Samuels should be moved up 3 – 4 spots also. If they are making these determinations according to the 2008 season then it is flawed.
On another note, I reside at “Mile High Report” the SB Nation – sister site. I am preparing a post on the Redskins and would gladly welcome any input or corrections to the accuracy of my report. It is meant to be insightful and informative to people who don’t have a clue about the Hogs. Also there will be speculation but no bashing of your beloved team.
Can anyone help me with these:
What is “50 Gut”, Joe Bugels’ favorite play?
What version of the "West Coast Offense are the Skins running?
What are some of the favorite or tendency plays? Pass patterns? I remember the End around that Gibbs had Art Monk running a few years back.
Does Portis run behind Samuels more often? Do they use the Zone Block Scheme like he ran behind in Denver?
In the Base 4 – 3 , do they run Man to man, Zone, cover 2 coverage?
Any help would be cool, even a redirection on any sites to find answers.
I have been reading posts on this site for around 2 weeks and i like the way it is set up.
Thanks.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 18, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, they usually do rate players based heavily on the last season’s performance. If you had a bad year, be prepared to be knocked down pretty far. If you had a lights out season, be prepared to be overrated. It’s the fantasy football mentality that some in the media have. I think they base a lot of these ratings on fantasy football rankings, and not what they mean to a particular team.
by killianskid34 on May 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answers....
- Answer for 50 gut
- Last year was Zorn’s 1st year as head coach and the team was not in good shape for his style of offense. The Oline faced injuries, the WRs he inherited were short, and the 3 WRs that the Skins drafted were not ready to play. In addition, Jason Campbell was not at all primed to run a WCO, so Zorn was constantly adjusting his offense as the season progressed. The Skins ran a lot of screens and it was a big frustration there were not more downfield plays. We’re all optimistic this year that will change with JC and the WRs working really hard all off-season to correct things.
- Portis last year did tend to run left more, but that was only b/c the Oline was so weak on the right side.
- In Blache’s 4-3, the corners are man-to-man
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thaks a lot Kevin
I will definitely give you props in my post. Hopefully it will be done in about a week. I will give you all a heads up on the Daily Slop.
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 19, 2009 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do any of us really expect to get any respect in the media? After the second half collapse last season, the tough division this year (as always), including the improved Dirty Birds, I don’t expect anyone to give any credit to the defense or to a potentially budding offense.
Let’s not whine about it too much though. People might think we are Ravens fans.
by jdubz on May 18, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Haha...classic...another Sporting News bash...
Skins 1 of 6 likely teams to not make the playoffs. These media sites love bundling the Bengals and Skins.
by KevinE on May 18, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Florio is an idiot whose research tools are from all the other MSM articles. That must mean they are factual, right?
With the 12th pick, the Broncos select Knowshon Moreno - Roger Goodell
That'll move the chains - Andy Samberg
by KaptainKirk on May 18, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax guy's
Anything TSN related, should be taken with a grain of salt. I’ve been a member to that site for over two years now and everything these so called experts present to the public is laughable.
Not to nitpick too deeply, seriously, no Tony Scheffler? Also, these “experts”, frequently misspell words and get player’s names and teams wrong too. I would questions one’s credibility with this frequency!
Besides, they generate these ranking’s for the concept of controversy. They try to get the site in an uproar to create traffic. As an example, this years mock draft was pathetic. Everyone had nothing positive to say. With saying that, i did glance at the comments pertaining to the ranking’s, and sure enough, not too positive!
I’m a new member to BBV, and i do occassionally venture out to other sites like HH to see what others have to say. And by far, SB Nation has more intelligent posters and Editor’s than TSN would only dream of.
Good luck and beware of the TSN label!
by Hootman on May 19, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No respect needed
We’ll get’em this year, watch!!!
by brettpedigo on May 19, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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