SI.com is Wrong...Dan Snyder is a Top 20 Owner
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT
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SportsIllustrated.com recently released the NFL’s Best and Worst Owners rankings, and not surprisingly, Dan Snyder was thrown into the bottom five with the Raiders, Bungles, 49ers, and the Lions. Take a second to comprehend those four franchises the Redskins are grouped with.
You HAVE to be kidding, right?
I know I am late jumping in with my response to this article, but I thought hard about how I wanted to reply. My first reaction to seeing Snyder in the bottom five was anger since people always seem to judge Snyder on his past mistakes instead of how he is as an owner today. So let’s take a look at how each owner was graded by SI…maybe I missed something:
· Team's success or failure on the field.
· Willingness to spend money to improve the team.
· Stability and capabilities of the front office and mgmt.
· Amenities at the team's venue.
· Club's culture and interactivity with fans.
OK…wait. Are we judging the owner on how they have improved their team the last few years, or for every mistake the owner has ever made in their tenure? If SI is focusing on the state of each team today, then I really don’t see how they came up with Dan Snyder as the 3rd worst owner.
Team’s success on the field. The Redskins have been to the playoffs two of the last four years with a .500 winning percentage. Does that make Daniel Snyder a top 5 owner? Of course not, but in this category, it does not justify putting him with the likes of the Niners, Lions, Bengals, and Raiders. Washington has arguably remained competitive, which is the least any non-rebuilding team can ask for from an owner. The Cowboys haven't won a playoff game since 1996, and don't get me started on their coaching/roster moves.
Willingness to spend money to improve the team. If Sports Illustrated did a Top 5 just for this category, Dan Snyder should be the CLEAR #1. Dan Snyder's list of personnel mistakes runs longer than the Potomac River, but when it comes to willingness to spend money, few can top Daniel Snyder. The Eagles are one of the worst when it comes to spending money, yet their coaching staff and player development do wonders to hide that year in and year out. I can't imagine how many Super Bowls the Eagles would have won if they paid out some money for a wide receiver not named Terrell Owens.
Stability and capabilities of the front office and management. Yikes. Is there a rock I can hide under right now? I’ve written about this before, and Snyder spoke about this in his media interviews before the NFL draft this year, but the Redskins really have made big strides in this department. The Skins' owner currently is not in charge of any of the roster moves and never has been since Gibbs took over. Snyder has openly admitted his trigger-happy mistakes from the past, and he boasted how much he learned after bringing Gibbs back for a second tour. Gibbs decided to move on and now Washington is entering the Zorn era. Stability is easiest when a Coach leaves his successor a Super Bowl team like Bill Cowher did for Mike Tomlin. Either way, things are running much smoother in DC, but as fans we have to live with outsiders only knowing Snyder for his free agent hirings and firings from the early 2000s. As for stability, there have been a ton of coaching and coordinator changes over the years, so I’ll let the bottom 5 ranking slide for this category. I firmly believe the team is progressing to a top 15 ranking in this category with an anchor for a Defensive Coordinator, Greg Blache, and a Head Coach who shows much more confidence entering his second season.
Amenities at the team’s venue. Well, this is one I have to take my medicine on too. I sit in the club level for all the games, so for me, the amenities are everything I can ask for with the indoor bar, restaurants, the live music before, during and after games, and the cheerleaders. However, a major embarrassment for the fans inside Fedex is the outdated scoreboard and Jumbotron (with all the money that stadium makes, the lack of a Hi-Def screen is unforgivable). The sheer size of the stadium makes some sections/seats hard to reach, and nose-bleed fans sit a very long way from the action. Given the onslaught of newer stadiums and facilities since Fedex opened, it is understandable that Daniel Snyder would slide in this category, with a first-class marvel of a football stadium just up I-95 in Baltimore.
Club's culture and interactivity with fans. This is another unfortunate category where Dan Snyder’s reputation precedes him. In 2000, Snyder charged fans for training camp, which he deservedly got blasted for, but he admitted his mistake and we moved on. This is such a hard category to assess for any team because what does it really mean? The Redskins throw a wildly successful—FREE—draft day party allowing fans to play on the field, take pictures with the Super Bowl trophies, walk through the locker room, get autographs from players, hear the Coach speak, and meet the cheerleaders. I don’t know of many (or any) other teams that do that. I’m sure the Redskins make a killing in apparel and concession sales, but it is a business after all. In addition, the Redskins organization bends over backwards doing charity work, something Dan Snyder personally does more than you can imagine. How can the Redskins possibly be in the bottom five here?
Ugh. It’s just frustrating to see such a large media outlet do a highly publicized article without doing any ample research. If you ask any random fan who they think are the best and worst owners, they would probably come up with this list, but what do they really know? I don’t know the inner details of the 49ers organization, but if I were to compile a list of the Top and Bottom 5 worst owners, I would certainly attempt to interview ex-players and coaches and get some concrete evidence. Every single Redskins player speaks highly of Snyder, even the ones that leave. Demetric Evans was very vocal for his distaste of how the Redskins run their roster, but that is a shot at the front office, not the owner. To me, the results from these half-ass, generic rankings come with the territory. Until the Redskins win an NFC title, Snyder will always undeservedly be thought of as the "worst" owner that is responsible for every bust signing.
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Jerry Jones
Why does Jerry Jones get the free pass on this? He has all those Super Bowls, but then at the same time, he’s running the team like a fantasy team as well. Pacman, TO, Tank Johnson. He has a “yes” man in Wade Phillips, and as Sugar pointed out, Jerry originally promised Garrett the head job after Parcells left then re-negged.
Agreed
It seems to be one of those “past behavior predicts future performance” kind of things. It’s an unfair shake, but one that may be with us for another few years (assuming the Zorn era succeeds and he stays with us). That being said, I think he has made great strides in getting the team to where we are now, and has always admitted his mistakes and learned from them. If nothing else, he is very passionate and shows that he wants to win. This isn’t just a financial investment for him. For all the disagreements (and there have been many) I’ve had with some of his decisions, I’ll take that any day over an owner who just doesn’t care.
Snyder has gotten a lot better
I don’t know why they didn’t lay into Jones, he is being sued for the practice bubble incident b/c he contracted it, he can’t sell tickets to his new stadium and can’t find corporate sponsors, sounds like a great owner to me…
From Richmond to the District
Thanks for this link...
This is exactly what I’m talking about. This journalist not only did his homework, but he visited the organizations. Interesting he has the Cowboys #2, but he knows more than I do.
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He would be #1 owner in the league if...
He moved one game back to RFK a year, how tight would that be? Sorry no club level ladies, just disgusting, old, uncomfortable seats that smell like stale beer (the hair is standing up on the back of my neck just thinking about it) O yea and you have to be a DC, MD, DE, or VA resident to get a ticket to this one.
From Richmond to the District
Oh man, that would be so great
The Dallas game.
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Draft Day Parties
the Lions have a draft day party at Ford Field, pretty much set up the same way that the REdskins do it. I think that’s a pretty widespread thing.
That same article had the Lerners in the bottom 5 of MLB owners (with Angelos on the bottom), and didn’t have Abe or Ted on their lists (top or bottom) for their sports. Judging from the SI article, the DC area has pretty bad owners.
Yea
SI obviously did this article without much thought. Ted Leonsis is no doubt one of the top owners in the league, however, without the trophies to show, SI would never know that.
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I do feel good about Angelos being up there...
I have gone blue in the face on that criminal. I stopped apologizing for Snyder officially last year (for the bonehead moves and unorthodox methods, like hiring an entire coaching staff before a head coach for example). I felt like Paris Hilton must feel like in whatever locker room she happens to be visiting…you know, completely piled on. But today there are plenty of things to point to about Snyder that build the case that—at worst—he doesn’t belong at the bottom of these rankings.
I blame Peter King.
Great post.
And what strikes me as oddly missing from the criteria used to evaluate owners was the financial success of the franchise. Are you kidding me? That has to be factored into the equation. That would be an undeniable A+.
If I graded Snyer according to the criteria set forth by SI, it would go something like this:
· Team’s success or failure on the field. = C. (8-8 decade average).
· Willingness to spend money to improve the team. = A+. (Duh).
· Stability and capabilities of the front office and mgmt. = D. (Signing Gibbs to the 5-year deal prevented F).
· Amenities at the team’s venue. = C. (For all of the reasons you outlined [especially Jumbotron & scoreboard]).
· Club’s culture and interactivity with fans. = B. We are America’s Team. : D
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
not saying you’re doing this, but in general I don’t see the point of evaluating on-the-field & front office success with the financial success of a franchise.
while there’s a small relation, by and large they are different skills, and as a fan I can tell you one of those skills absolutely pales in comparison to the other.
Since there’s revenue sharing and a salary cap, Snyder’s profits don’t do much for me as a fan.
Seems like a somewhat minor thing for us skins fans to hang our hat on.
From a fan's perspective
I love the fact that our franchise is one of the most profitable franchises in the league. More revenue means more capital for our team to work with. Could you imagine if the Washington Redskins were on the verge of relocation because of low revenue? It’s a laughable concept because, despite having mediocre on-field production for the past decade, Snyder has marketed this team brilliantly and, IMO, doesn’t get nearly enough credit for it. One thing we, as fans, don’t ever have to worry about (with Snyder at the helm) is running out of cash.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Snyder
Snyder has probably gone from the worst owner to one of the worst. The principal reason is that he and Vinny Cerrato have no clue how to draft people. They prove it every draft – last year they picked three receivers in second round – none of them have done much. Their free agency picks are even worse – they lurch from Jeff George to Neon Deion to Adam Archuletta to Jason Taylor etc. etc. And as for the revolving door of coaches – we haven’t forgotten Spurrier have we :-)
Sure Snyder spends money but unless you have something to show for the money what’s the point.
your right
last time i checked we drafted two WR last year in the second and they have had ONE year in the league, one of them not healthy, that is a great way to examine our past drafts on how they do in one year in the league, if we went by that then 95% of peoples draft picks would suck
From Richmond to the District
one of them not healthy
ahem. he who wasn’t healthy when we drafted him, and has a history of injuries.
that fact is squarely on Snyderrato’s shoulders. this wasn’t an unforeseen circumstance.
and maybe thats why they drafted TWO and wait for kelly to get healthy and display his tremendous upside
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Kelly didn’t produce last year b/c he was hurt with injuries that existed before the draft.
This is Snyderrato’s fault.
Every hurt player drafted is a failure?
If so then Snyder is with New England, Pittsburgh, Miami and a host of other teams which draft injuried players late in the 2nd and beyond
Saying “but he was hurt last year” doesn’t get Vinny off the hook for the Kelly pick. That is my point.
If it was a freak injury, sure. But this most certainly was not.
Hey, genius?
Jason Taylor wasn’t a free agency.
I can’t really blame Snyder for Spurrier. I thought it was an awesome move at the time. And if you’re going to punish him for a “revolving door of coaches”, you’ve also gotta give him credit for four years of Joe Gibbs 2.0, wherein we made the playoffs twice.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Although,
welcome to Hogs Haven!
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Under Snyder's watch
Going back to 2000 (and I realize he actually took over before then), hardly any of our 1st or 2nd round draft picks have really been BUSTS (with the exception of Gardener, Jacobs, and Ramsey). It’s too early to tell whether the 2 WRs and 1 TE taken in last year’s 2nd round will pan out or not. Hopefully, 1 or 2 of the 3 will step up this year.
I didn’t like the Kelly pick because of the injury and I was secretly hoping we would end up with Limas Sweed or Mario Manningham in the draft. But neither of those two showed anything last year either. Kelly has some serious upside but drafting players with injuries / or a history of injuries almost never works out for us. But, writing him off as a bust already is premature.
You could definitely make the argument that Cerrato and his scouts have been involved, in one way or another, in a lot of the draft selections over the past decade. Marty fired Cerrato, but Snyder brought him back. Gibbs may have had the final say in who was taken, but Cerrato had some influence.
We have had some serious DUDS brought in from free agency. But I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that this year Snyder got it right with Haynesworth and Hall. They are in their primes and should give us
years of production. Spurrier was a terrible mistake… but also one that I have a feeling Snyder will never make again.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Agree on holding judgement
It is definitely too early to call them busts, however being critical of them is appropriate. The problem I have with the Haynesworth signing is simply that this is to me a very high risk signing and being in the high risk business is rarely a good thing. He had his best year in his contract year, he has questionable character to say the least, has a pending court case that from the stories sounds like a case of terrible judgement on his part, etc. The payoff could be very good, I would have said similar things about Cornelius Griffin when we signed him due to his injury history and that worked out very well.
I won’t really give out credit for 1st round picks turning out well though, those are like free throws. I do give credit for a diamond in the rough like Horton. But having a late pick like him pan out while at the same time having utter failures in the 3rd round like Tryon and Rinehart diminishes any credit they deserve.
No guarantees.
There are no “free throws” in any round. Statistically, it is more probable that you will find a good player in the 1st, but there aren’t any guarantees that player will mesh with the team or not struggle at the next level. Every team makes bad picks in every round (even the Patriots and Steelers).
Until I see Rinehart on the field getting manhandled (or cut by the team), I’m not calling him a bust. He was a mauler in college.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
You are a Homer
All I have to say is that you are such a Homer it sad. I have been a Redskins fan all of my life (I’m 36 years old) and I regret the day that Snyder took over this team. You have to look at the state of The Redskins and how they perform on the field. The Redskins have been to the playoffs 3 times in the ten years since Mr. Snyder has owned the team. The man has no GM and he has no long term plan. He runs the team like it’s a Fantasy Football team giving away draft picks like it’s candy. Maybe Snyder paid you off but my beloved Redskins are a joke. I judge a team by it’s wins and losses period. What is Snyder’s overall record……Ok…..case closed. (He is a loser) In the Glory years the Redskins were in the hunt or were winning Super Bowls. Making the playoffs and winning Super Bowls is the standard I go by. Going to the games now is a joke. Most of the people that go to the game now go out for the event and to get drunk.
I agree that Snyder is a genius because he wins the offseason and he markets snakes oil every season. No matter what product he puts on the field the people will still go just to say they went to a Redskins’ game. Anyway Hail to the Redskins and I hope you stop being such a Homer!!
so what should we all do?
just sit here and bitch about it, like you?
I don’t want to be bitter and whine about things out of my control. And how come everyone always has to say how old they are and how long they have been a fan, like that trumps someone else or something?
All we can do is support our squad and make as much noise as possible on Sundays. But then there will always be the whiners like you.
From Richmond to the District
Dude
I’m a better fan than you, because I’m like 100 years old.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
I judge a team by it’s wins and losses period. What is Snyder’s overall record……Ok…..case closed. (He is a loser)
His record is 70-74, barely below .500.
In the Glory years the Redskins were in the hunt or were winning Super Bowls. Making the playoffs and winning Super Bowls is the standard I go by.
If you’re using THAT standard, then every owner sucks except Bill Kraft and Art Rooney, and the Redskins have sucked over their entire existence except for the 30s, 40s, 80s, and very early 90s.
The Redskins have been to the playoffs 3 times in the ten years since Mr. Snyder has owned the team.
Yeah. That’s the worst in the league over that time period, except for the Bills, Dolphins, Saints, Chiefs, Bengals, Browns, Texans, Cardinals, 49ers, Lions, Panthers, Raiders, Jaguars, Bears, and Falcons.
Welcome to Hogs Haven anyway, though. HTTR.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
His record is 70-74, barely below .500.
Again no matter how you cut it…… he is a loser. Barely Below .500 means that he is a loser period.
If you’re using THAT standard, then every owner sucks except Bill Kraft and Art Rooney, and the Redskins have sucked over their entire existence except for the 30s, 40s, 80s, and very early 90s
I’m not going to apologize for seeking excellence for the my team. When’s the last time the Redskins’ have been to the NFC title game? I’m not going to sit here and make execuses for a 70-74 record.
Yeah. That’s the worst in the league over that time period, except for the Bills, Dolphins, Saints, Chiefs, Bengals, Browns, Texans, Cardinals, 49ers, Lions, Panthers, Raiders, Jaguars, Bears, and Falcons
See the above teams you just named……No need to comment and case closed.
LOL
I haven’t checked that ALL FIFTEEN of those teams you listed have actually had worse records. But, if that is true (and it seems logical), then you just made KevinE’s point that Snyder should NOT be the 3rd worst owner.
Congratulations, you just earned a +1!
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Actually,
he was quoting me. I listed those teams. (He’s new, doesn’t know how to quote yet)
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
Also,
they don’t have worse records, but those are all the teams who have been to the playoffs 3 or fewer times since The Danny bought the ’Skins.
Jim Zorn, 55. Sean Miller, 40. AJ Hinch, 34. Notice a pattern here?
The Danny...
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
agree with the post
ESPN’s article was incredibly lazy.
by Abstract Capital on May 14, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not boasting Snyder as a great owner...
We all know Cerrato has made countless mistakes and all of our good draft picks were on Gibbs and Gregg Williams’ watch. All I’m saying is that the criteria they based Snyder being the worst on is completely false.
How the 3 2nd round picks play this year should seal Vinny’s fate.
“but he gave the keys to Cerrato for the past 12 months” doesn’t instantly undo what we’ve had to live through since 1999.
An owner’s job is to hire good football people, sign checks, and stay the hell out of the way.
Until 12 months ago, Snyder failed at this concept miserably. And currently his rep rides on Cerrato?
To claim grave injustice seems unjustified to me. Snyder blows until he or the team proves otherwise.
I agree
Until 12 months ago, Snyder failed at this concept miserably.
Actually 48 months ago…Gibbs ran the entire show and both Snyder and Cerrato were out.
Snyder blows until he or the team proves otherwise.
I agree. You cant be a good owner without success across the board. I would love to ask why Vinny has job security while the previous 6 coaches this decade have not.
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 14, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
what i've lived through since 1999, is a hell of lot better than what i lived through 93-98
From Richmond to the District
So by my rough calculations the Redskins have the 12th worst record in the league since 1999.
Combine that with how much money and draft picks we’ve wasted, and that Snyder inherited a 10-6 team, and that the entire team has been handed over to a genius like Vinny Cerrato…
…I think there’s a very strong case that until he proves otherwise, he is AT BEST a bottom-10 owner.
This SI article is more right than it is wrong.
More wrong the right
12th worst record, out of 32 teams… makes the Redskins the bottom 50% not the bottom 30%
I agree the Redskins are average and have been average, which is unacceptable for a Redskins fan…and should be.
That is a failure, which makes the first 10 years of Daniel Snyder a failure, but being unfair to a failure is unfair. As pointed out in the well written article slaming the poor reporting by SI
It's hard
to blame a fan which Snyder is. I don’t know what I would do if all of the sudden I woke up and was able to buy the team. I have been a fan ever since 1969, I was watching a game between the Redskins and the Cowboys with my dad I can remember laying on the living room floor in Fairfield,Ca about 3000 miles away from DC but like any little boy I loved cowboys and Indians I picked the Indians that day and never looked back. I live 35 miles away from both Oakland and San Francisco so there were teams here to pick from but my heart has and always will be with my Redskins. There is always the guy who has to say when I talk about my team and I refer to"We" when talking about the Redskins oh what position do you play. Well as we know I don’t play on the team never did but what I do know is I am part of this team have been since 1969 and will always be. So I guess what I am saying is he is a fan first I feel he tries his best everyday to make us a great team and I will always support him for that.
Umm, what?
· Team’s success or failure on the field. – Grade: D – Mediocre in his best years, never a contender, and downright bad more often than mediocre. You can’t possibly grade this better than C to C-. My expectations are high so I give a lower grade here.
· Willingness to spend money to improve the team – Grade: B- – This category doesn’t make much sense. Willingness to throw away money on bad fits just to make a headline is not really any better than a tightwad who plays it cheap. For every high priced signing, there is an obstructed view seat erected, a vending or parking price increase, an extra gouging fee, charging to view practices, or a smaller seat to fit more seats in the stadium. To say he is not cheap is a misleading statement in my opinion.
· Stability and capabilities of the front office and mgmt. – Grade: F – Thus far this has been among the least stable coaching environments and when your only stability is Vinnie Cerato I’m pretty sure thats worse than more instability.
· Amenities at the team’s venue. Grade: C – Nice amenities…….if you are in the club level. Otherwise its the worst stadium experience in the DC area hands down. Cramped seats, ugly stadium, expensive parking.
· Club’s culture and interactivity with fans. – Grade: B+ – You can’t criticize them for their outreach to fans and this has been where Danny has endeared himself to some people. They have a strong open community, but would it be any different with another owner? Ask yourself though, is there high outreach or do we just have a fanbase that is high on participation?
Does that make him 20th out of 32? It doesn’t matter. Spending tons of money on stupid free agents while leveraging the future of your team on a group that doesn’t really have what it takes to win a Superbowl is not my idea of doing a good job. This team has little to no prospect of long term improvement because it will be in a constant cycle of aging, overpaid players who don’t have the hunger of young guys trying to prove themselves. Nothing would make me happier than to be completely and utterly wrong.
by Mixmy1200s on May 15, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You are drunk on that maroon and gold kool aid man… I dont see how Snyder as a bottom 5 owner can even be debated
My first reaction to seeing Snyder in the bottom five was anger since people always seem to judge Snyder on his past mistakes instead of how he is as an owner today.
Snyder has changed?? He is still making the same moves that got you in the situation you are today and dont for a second say Snyder is learning from his past mistakes when he truthfully is just being outbid by the Jets for the players he wants.
Team’s success on the field. The Redskins have been to the playoffs two of the last four years with a .500 winning percentage.
sure, he has been owner for 10 years but lets just take a look at the last 4 to better fit your argument.
You see making the playoffs 2 of the last 4 years… I see finishing in last place 3 of the last 5
Bottom 5...
You think the Redskins are a worse organization than the Bengals, Niners, Lions, and Raiders? As long Cerrato is in control, we’ll be a bottom 10…I’m just saying not bottom 5.
by Kevin Ewoldt on May 15, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
worse organization than the lions… never
worse organization than the bengals or raiders… think its close (espically with the raiders) but I will give you guys the edge
worse organization than the niners?? similar situation, both are teams that have great histories but are stuck reminiscing about the good ol days. Dont see what the niners have done that is really that bad other than being stuck with the #1 pick in a year when there was no #1 player (Alex smith, Ronnie Brown, Bredwards, Cedric Benson, Cadillac). The only reason I could give the niners the nod above you is their problems are easier fixed… they get a stadium deal and somehow find even a serviceable QB and they are definitely ahead.
Even if I do put the niners below you though you are still stuck at 5.
So now we went from Snyder being the 5th worst owner in the NFL to the Skins being the 5th worst organization in the NFL?!
What standards are you using to say the Skins are one of the bottom 5 organizations? Do you even watch football? You better have a damn good reply comment because I want to see some stats to prove that horse shit. Especially coming from a fan of a team that owns ZERO Lombardi trophies!
Calling the Washington Redskins the 5th worst organization in the league is one of the most ignorant comments I have read on SB Nation (that includes ciscyboy).
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Burgundy and Gold.
It’s burgundy, not maroon. I know you’re accustomed to watching that team with puke green and chicken feather white colors, but the Washington Redskins colors are burgundy and gold.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
i am an ass
sorry about that one… ever since yer boy zorny pulled the infamous “maroon + black” quote I keep on saying maroon
chicken feather white??
1) looks pretty similar to the white you guys use to me
2) stop reaching for an insult with every little thing (ex beagles)… it makes you sound desperate
But it ruffles your chicken feathers...
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
and my shots of reality...
snip at your foreskin
Stop being desperate...
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Snyder is about one thing and one thing only
the money. Snyder’s job is to keep the casual fan hooked because he knows the die hard fans will always be there. Add a free agent here, Add a free agent there and you get the hype going in the offseason. The only way Snyder is going to change his way of running the team is by people stop going to the games which will never happen in DC. Snyder is a marketing genius and I give him credit for being the ultimate business man.
-1
Dan Snyder is also a fan and wants to win.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
So when does being a fan make you a good owner? Most fans couldn’t tell you how to run a team………your argument makes no sense. Why can’t he just look at what other successful teams are doing and copy how they are running their team. No because he can keep his hands out of the cookie jar. It would kill his fun if he hired a competent GM.
I wasn't saying that being a fan makes you a good owner.
Your comment was…
Snyder is about one thing and one thing only… the money.
That statement is absolutely FALSE. It implies that Snyder doesn’t care anything about the team and is only owning the team as an investment. Snyder is a fan and wants to WIN. He wants our franchise to be successful on the field also (not just in the books). Understand?
Furthermore…
Most fans couldn’t tell you how to run a team………
That statement explains perfectly why you’re NOT the owner or GM.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
+1
dont see how any of the above can be questioned
This can be questioned...
Snyder is about one thing and one thing only.
He is also a FAN and wants to WIN. (just look at this video of Snyder after we spanked those Beagles again).
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
I’m glad you think you know him so well.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Don't know him just know he sucks as an owner.
The evidence is staring everyone in the face.
So go back to your closet
and put your Romo jersey back on. And after we win a SB, jump back on the bandwagon.
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
The Danny
Say what you will, but the danny is a bad owner:
- - Continues to overpay veterans, who come to redskin park and essentially “take a vacation”, then go back to their original teams and then play football, (Jason Taylor, Jeremiah Trotter, and countless others)!
#2-Fip-Flop decision making- you cannot actively seek to get a quarterback in the draft, then try to assure the starter that he is the guy for you!
#3-Vinny Cerrato is not a GM!
#4-The Redskins greatest success came when they had a GM working with the coach to get the type of player they needed to win championships, (Bobby Beathard, Charlie Casserly-Good GMs, and Joe Gibbs-Good Coach)
#5-Bad relationship with the coach-Jim Zorn is a good coach, but if he does’nt have the owner’s trust, then why would you hire the guy in the first place! I am not even sure that the Joe Gibbs departure was handled right, (it was sloppy, as if coach was told to go)
NO GM = NO WINNING FOOTBALL!
To all the haters...
Snyder is not directly responsible for the team winning and losing. He’s responsible for hiring the people that are directly responsible for the team winning and losing. Those people hired to help us win haven’t done their job up to par. But you can’t fault the logic of hiring those people. In hiring Marty Schottenheimer, we landed a well respected coach with a winning record (I liked Marty and I wanted to give him more time). Spurrier looked like an offensive genius in college and a lot of media and fans loved the idea. The return of Gibbs was a no-brainer decision that every Skin fan and most media agreed with. Zorn was a questionable pick, but the jury is still out. All of their records together have been mediocre, but is that all on Snyder? No. Was Snyder on the sidelines making the calls and running the plays? No.
Snyder is willing to spend whatever it takes to bring in the talent. When his people identify a FA or draft pick they want, he exhausts all reasonable measures to obtain that talent. Despite the lavish spending on players and coaches, we are still able to beat the cap and bring in the talent year in and year out. Snyder’s people not being able to produce championships with that talent is on them and the other players.
Snyder sure as hell isn’t the best owner, but he definitely isn’t one of the 5 worst (as KevinE pointed out). The bottom line is that Snyder himself isn’t going anywhere, so bitching and moaning about him is pointless.
Cerrato on the other hand…
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
Until Snyder hires a decent GM I will put every move we make under a microscope…
…in between Sundays when I cheer like hell.
Any suggestions?
If you were handed the reins for a day, who would you make GM (that is out there available right now)?
"The character of a person is in direct proportion to his commitment to excellence." -Vince Lombardi.
I have no idea, I’m not up on front office rosters around the league.
Scott Pioli would have been nice.
Supposedly we have an up and comer near the top of our FO, a guy who came from Chicago, forget his name.
Or anybody off a successful staff of another team. Someone from the NE or Pitt front office.
Basically someone with personnel experience (which Gibbs didn’t have) or with a good pedigree (ie. not Cerrato).
+100
Like I said he is a fan first and I can’t blame him for that. Hell I would sign OJ if he would help us win. At least we know he can still make the cuts. hehe
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