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Last Word: Michael Vick will Never be a Redskin

So with all the news of Michael Vick being a free man in 3 weeks, it took all but 14 milliseconds for some schmoe to post a blog that the Redskins should bring in Michael Vick, the  the culprit blogger today is Chad Hensley from the Bleacher Report:

It's no secret that current starting quarterback Jason Campbell isn't wanted in D.C....Vick would actually be a good fit for the Redskins.  He is from Virginia and starred at Virginia Tech.

Where do I start with this one? So, the Charles Manson of puppies is from Virginia, that makes him a better Redskin? John Riggins, Darrell Green, and Charles Mann...none of them are from Virginia. If anything, Ron Mexico being from Virginia HURTS your argument because all of his degenerate friends live in the area and would be more likely to bring him down.

So Chad, you never mentioned specifics for how #7 would be "a good fit." If you want to say because the O line is suspect, and he has the best chance of avoiding a sack, then maybe, but that does not automatically make him a good fit. The Redskins need an accurate passer and more importantly, a confident leader on the field. Matt Cassell took more sacks than Campbell and the Pats won 11 games.

...it isn't a reach to say there are still thousands in Virginia who would love to see Vick in Burgundy and Gold.  That means jersey sales, media attention, and other dollar signs for Snyder and company.

Thousands!!!! Well, if he has THOUSANDS...then by all means sign him!! Heath Shuler still has thousands of fans. I'm actually kind of pissed now. As for the jersey sales, this has to be a joke. No parent is going to buy a jersey either for themselves or for their kid. Knowing all the loyal Skins fan I do, I am pretty certain no one would buy one, unless it had 'Mexico' on the back. OK...so continue...

On the field, Vick is not as good of a passer as Campbell, but would still be an upgrade because of his unbelievable athletic ability.  That is, if he still has that ability.

You just counter-argued your own statement. Why would you say he is a 'good fit' if you don't even know if he still has it?

The word is he has stayed in shape and even quarterbacked for the prison's football team.  It's probably safe to say there weren't any players like Demarcus Ware breathing down his neck in the pen, though.

Dear Lord. You can't be out of the league this long and can jump right back into your prime. But it's OK, I mean, you're thinking Cerrato would sign Vick as a free agent, right?

The Redskins still have the 2010 first round draft pick, and although they kept good on their word not to trade it during the 2009 draft, I can see it happening.

AHHH. The Redskins wouldn't trade their 2010 #1 pick for Mark Sanchez, so why would they do it for Vick?!!? Lord help us all. Snyder was very sincere how much he learned from Coach Gibbs and how signing players of good character are essential. This is all old news, where have you been, Chad?  

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sweet jesus in heaven

soooo, this guy wants to put an inaccurate passer into the west coast offense….after said passer spent time in jail…for running a dog fighting ring….when no one knows what kind of shape he’s in right now??

I don’t know whether to be more pissed at the douchebag that wrote this or at Danny for getting this reputation of being the local sucker of the NFL. geeze..

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Apr 30, 2009 11:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed.....

nice point……Mr. Hensley must be an idiot………Ok..Vick may be a good athlete…..but come on….his is the new OJ……..

Tony A

by JNZO on Apr 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bleacher Report

Useless junk, minimal facts and mostly poor writers.
Good smack down, and while enjoyable was it worth the effort

by dr WNC on Apr 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1)

No one is going to trade anymore than a #7 for Vick, if that’s even necessary. 2) A first round pick?! WTF! WTF? 3) If somehow, anything more than a 7, let alone a first day pick is offered for Vick, I will become a Raiders fan. Hell, I am moving to NC, so I’ll just go Panthers so I can at least support something respectable.

ARMY STRONG

by JustinU804 on Apr 30, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent analysis, it’s a shame it had to be done though.

by snowburnt on Apr 30, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Epic Fail

Someone missed the news that the Falcons would have taken a 7th round pick over the weekend for Vick and all 31 teams in the league passed.

It wouldn’t surprise me too much if Snyder developed a man crush on Vick and they go after him when the Falcons release him.

But, there is no way the Redskins give up a pick to grab his contract which would have to be re-done as there is no way the Redskins will pay Vick the $9 million base like the deal currently states.

Next stop: Favre to the Redskins Rumor-ville!

by Jim Bob 585 on Apr 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is Chad Hensley? He’s obviously clueless to the QB situation in DC, so why does it matter what he’s saying?

by superjuan on Apr 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Because he's talking about the Redskins...

and people might read it and think it’s a good idea.

by KevinE on Apr 30, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will never happen.

I watched Vick play in high school down in Newport News and in college at VA Tech. He was/is an incredible athlete (a PHENOM), and was probably the fastest QB in NFL history. He also had a pretty strong arm.

However, Michael Vick is not the right QB for the Washington Redskins. Why? Bad reputation (Vick will forever be known as the guy who abused dogs) & quite simply….

Vick is not [even] as good of a passer as Campbell…

Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vick cannot run an offense..

he makes every coach look inept and like he is wasting his time even implementing a game plan…Mike would have been a perfect fit for Steve Spurrier’s Golf game

by terpsez11 on May 6, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, KevinE. It’s nice to read quality and not stupidity.

by killianskid34 on Apr 30, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never never never..............

not in one millon years will he ever come to DC to play QB. Let’s face it Vick was never a great QB or even a good QB everywhere he played he was just faster than everyone else.
Long Live Jason!

by RedskinCali63 on Apr 30, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Snyder was very sincere how much he learned from Coach Gibbs and how signing players of good character are essential.

I don’t think character issues should be brought up here. Vick seems genuinely remorseful for his crimes and should be given another chance in the NFL. The dude has lost literally everything and is probably very humbled. I wish him good luck, wherever he ends up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Apr 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

Good point and I do wish him well, I should have ended my post with that. He still has a very rough road ahead.

by KevinE on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's all well and good

and while i do wish the same, as he has paid his debt, i personally still don’t want him here as I don’t believe he would be a good fit.

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Apr 30, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raider's called...

and they are PISSED you are trying to take their QB!!

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Apr 30, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick's defense.

I don’t want Vick on the Redskins. He’d be alright on the Vikings, if I were to pick a team. I really hope he gets to play again, because I feel bad for him. I haven’t read everything on his case, so correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t his involvement just bank rolling the dog fighting? (That took place on his property, which is what got him caught). An elite quarterback doesn’t have time (or financial need) to run a dog fighting ring. Growing up in a rough environment, then making it big and bringing in tens of millions, he would be a prime target for his close friends and family to ask for “favors”, like money. Pretty hard to say no to your cousin (I’m pretty sure that’s who was running it). And his cousin’s mistakes led him to #1 on PETA’s most wanted list and filing for bankruptcy.
I’m not saying any of what he did was right. Just that it sucks to be him.

by SSBlitz on Apr 30, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick!!

He can rot in the inner recesses of hell!! I would like to see him back on the field b/c you know alot of those D guys have dogs!! Probably love’em…. He would be taking some cheap shots (I could only hope).

Needs to learn his place and stay down with the scum.

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Apr 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you're hilarious

so you’re encouraging violence on humans and saying thats alright but dogfighting is a terrible thing to do
are you so emotional about cock fighting too or is this just interesting to you still because a famous person is caught up in it?
dog fighting is obviously not socially acceptable (and wrong) and people hate it because it’s “man’s best friend” and they don’t have a choice but to fight, but i’m sick and tired of everyone acting like Vick is the devil when he probably had little to do with what was going on at his house.
don’t go calling for peoples heads and hope they rot in hell when you don’t know facts
you need to learn your place and go join PETA

by travisjh86 on May 4, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bleacher Report has to be one of the worst sites in the history of the interweb. I am shocked that all of these hack sports news sites can stay open.

The Redskins still have the 2010 first round draft pick, and although they kept good on their word not to trade it during the 2009 draft, I can see it happening.

Just the fact that this dude would mention a high draft pick in the same sentence as Mike Vick shows how completely clueless this guy is. I thought it was pretty much a fact that the falcons were shopping Vick for a 7th round pick last sunday and had no takers.

With all that being said I think the only thing stupider than signing Mike Vick is saying there is no chance the skins will have any interest in him. When you are dealing with an owner like Danny there is nothing you can put past him (especially if Campbell leads the team to an unspectacular 7-9 season… just bad enough to write his ticket out of town, just good enough to miss out on the top QB talent next year.)

by dt3 on Apr 30, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

With Brett Favre now a free agent, Vick is pretty much 100% out for being a Skin. Oh man, now here come 1200 FanPosts about Dan Snyder wanting Brett Favre. haha.

by KevinE on Apr 30, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I can’t wait.
Can we trade our first round pick to someone so he comes out of retirement?

by SSBlitz on Apr 30, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#4

Screw Colt I am buying a #4 Favre jersey!
Long Live Jason!

by RedskinCali63 on Apr 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Vick

Should never have been put in prison in the first place

by Abstract Capital on Apr 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

? ? ?
are you mentally challenged… some actions DO support consequences… especially to those who are idolized by thousands of children!!

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here in the USA

(that country just south of Toronto that kept Canada from just being an extension of the USSR),
dog fighting is thankfully ILLEGAL.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin + all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 1, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now you have sanchez....stupid trade!!

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin

by Cdsumm on Apr 30, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Check it out! LOL

www.espnnewstoday.com

The very existence of flamethrowers proves that some time, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done."
-George Carlin

by Cdsumm on Apr 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that’s a horrible photoshop

by snowburnt on Apr 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so is the jersey

haha, the Skins jets one

by KevinE on Apr 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

.... almost happened.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dumbass

take this crap down.

by liger99 on Apr 30, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That actually is kinda funny....

and disturbingly possible.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sarcastic

My bad, I didn’t mean that as a question. It was a sarcastic rhetorical question.

by SSBlitz on Apr 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

?

are you mentally challenged… some actions DO support consequences… especially to those who are idolized by thousands of children!!

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Apr 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

sorry-

that was supposed to be posted under the guy that said vick shouldn’t have gone to prison…

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Apr 30, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll do it for you.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vick to the Bengals ....

It only makes sense. They could have “Arrested Development” make a comeback and they could sing the Bengals theme song. It could be a remake from Inner Circle, “Bad Boys”, (theme to Cops). It makes perfect sense. They could bring back Lawrence Phillips after he served his time, and they could have a felon Offense. Split Vick wide, Phillips in the backfield. I should probably email my idea to the front office in Cincy.

Never a dull moment!

by ToPar on Apr 30, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

you are also a fool

by Abstract Capital on Apr 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention depraved

by snowburnt on May 1, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I am pro funding animal cruelty, because we fund people through taxes to do cruel things with animals. Talk about the ignorant voter…

by Abstract Capital on May 2, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm_principle precludes the government from interfering with property rights except to protect humans from harm.
2. Dogs don’t have legal rights. We buy and sell them as a commodity between each other. If dogs are entitled to rights, pet birds, & cats too? What about the genocide of the meat market, and how veal is manufactured using baby cows? Consider the confinement facilities where pigs—smarter animals than dogs and, by that crude measure, more deserving of our sympathy—are raised for slaughter without ever seeing the light of day, without contact, without affection of any sort. Is the behavior of the corporate pig farmer inherently morally superior to that of a professional dogman with a well-tended yard?
Therefore,
3. Humans are agents of property, & animals are property. One might argue "Dogs aren’t chairs or my TV set, they aren’t property!" Then why did you purchase your dog? Was it not a something you acquired via exchange, payment of some kind? (Unless you stole your dog..)
4. IF you really want to change peoples minds about dogfighting and prevent animal cruelty, share your ideas and persuade. I promise it’s not that hard. I think 90% of people abhor dogfighting via this method of deterrence. And as individual agents of property, we are entitled to do whatever we want with our property as long as our exercise of our personal freedom does not interfere with another’s. THINK you moron, it’s not US Anti-Dogfighting Laws are what’s keeping our pets collectively safe and happy, it’s the uncoerced and freely persuaded agreement between individuals that dog-fighting is an undesirable act.
5. Fund animal cruelty? I suppose you still think there are WMDs in Iraq…

by Abstract Capital on May 2, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Abstract

I’m not sure if you are expressing support for dog-fighting, or if you’re from PETA and this is all meant to bring attention to animal cruelty, or maybe you just hate animals and think they should either be eaten or worn.

Regarding dogs (pets), you say:

…we are entitled to do whatever we want with our property as long as our exercise of our personal freedom does not interfere with another’s.

This statement is absolutely FALSE (in so many ways). Dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. If you break those laws you will be coerced and (un)freely persuaded to pay a hefty price (just ask Michael Vick).

See this AND this.

And take that BS to another forum.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 2, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this*

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 3, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not either of the above. PETA nor "supporting" animal cruelty. My argument: there is no proper legal authority for the State to make ‘anti-dogfighting law’, and that it is highly capricious and arbitrary to do so.
1) dogfighting doesn’t violate the harm principle which undergirds the central spirit of American criminal law, which is to protect property agents as victims of improper encroachment on their natural liberty interest in their persons and property,
2) Dogs are not agents of property, they are property, we have commodified them for years & any implied "exceptional" status truly rings hypocritically hollow because of our woefully inhumane treatment of even more intelligent & sentient animals,
3) AGENTS of property are entitled both to freedom from coercive State action and protection by the State from violations of their personal freedom under the rule of law,
4) Humans are agents of property, dogs are property,
5) The empirical reason why dogfighting doesn’t exist en masse is because individuals have been persuaded, NOT through some capricious & arbitary deterrence mechanisms that primarily heighten the popularity of self-serving political figures to capitalize on unthinking knee-jerk reactions from drones like you to demonize virtual straw men.
Your answer: A citation to an animal protection group’s website and "Your statement is FALSE (in so many ways!) because dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. It’s justified because? It’s the law. Why? Specifically? Um, just because!" ….. You said ‘so many reasons’, and I don’t even see that you could even provide a single reason yourself or respond to any of my arguments. Speaking of BS, take your University of Phoenix reasoning skills back to the outhouse. PS It’s a signal of argumentative weakness on your part that you have to nuance that I’m an animal protection or an animal cruelty promotionalist through that sort of innuendo.

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 3:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not either of the above. PETA nor “supporting” animal cruelty. My argument: there is no proper legal authority for the State to make ‘anti-dogfighting law’, and that it is highly capricious and arbitrary to do so.
1) dogfighting doesn’t violate the harm principle which undergirds the central spirit of American criminal law, which is to protect property agents as victims of improper encroachment on their natural liberty interest in their persons and property,
2) Dogs are not agents of property, they are property, we have commodified them for years & any implied “exceptional” status truly rings hypocritically hollow because of our woefully inhumane treatment of even more intelligent & sentient animals,
3) AGENTS of property are entitled both to freedom from coercive State action and protection by the State from violations of their personal freedom under the rule of law,
4) Humans are agents of property, dogs are property,
5) The empirical reason why dogfighting doesn’t exist en masse is because individuals have been persuaded, NOT through some capricious & arbitary deterrence mechanisms that primarily heighten the popularity of self-serving political figures to capitalize on unthinking knee-jerk reactions from drones like you to demonize virtual straw men.
Your answer: A citation to an animal protection group’s website and “Your statement is FALSE (in so many ways!) because dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. It’s justified because? It’s the law. Why? Specifically? Um, just because!” ….. You said ‘so many reasons’, and I don’t even see that you could even provide a single reason yourself or respond to any of my arguments. Speaking of BS, take your University of Phoenix reasoning skills back to the outhouse. PS It’s a signal of argumentative weakness on your part that you have to nuance that I’m an animal protection or an animal cruelty promotionalist through that sort of innuendo.

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 3:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BLAH BLAH BLAH...

Another fluffy comment with no real substance.

Here’s an idea!

Get yourself arrested for dog-fighting or even being a spectator of dog-fighting (preferably right here in VA). And when you’re standing in a REAL, LIVE federal or state court (and not sitting there at your PC in Doobie-ville), in front of a REAL, LIVE judge or jury, try presenting this argument in your own defense.

Just let me know beforehand, because I want to be there to laugh in your face when you’re unanimously ruled GUILTY.

Debate 101 is over. You FAIL.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 3, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 Reasons v. 0

Hahahahaha! “Another fluffy comment with no real substance.”, “ALL CAPS”, “Debate 101 is over, you FAIL!” Haha! I sincerely hope you’re still wearing your clown clothes, because you are so comically unresponsive/stupid it’s patently entertaining. (my advice to you is: Stay in school.)

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yet...

you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that your argument in Vick’s defense would never hold up in an American court of law…

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 3, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

the point isn’t whether it would be illegal/legal today, Helen Keller could see that there is a statutory law that obviates the act of dogfighting. The question is a NORMATIVE one, whether there is valid legal authority for a statute (i doubt you even know what a statute is without WIkipedia’ing it) to incarcerate individuals for the act of dogfighting. PS, normative ground is what gives rise to existing law, it is what the law derives authority from, and I’m guessing you’ll have to look up the word ‘normative’ as well. I provided several (5) relevant case arguments that short-circuit the normative justification for the law, and your responses comprise of “debate 101 is OV-UH!”, ALL CAPS, and “you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that dogfighting is illegal…” Dumbass. Like I said, comically inept, you ARE still wearing metaphorical clown clothes

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recap

My arguments:
1) dogfighting doesn’t violate the harm principle which undergirds the central spirit of American criminal law, which is to protect property agents as victims of improper encroachment on their natural liberty interest in their persons and property,
2) Dogs are not agents of property, they are property, we have commodified them for years & any implied "exceptional" status truly rings hypocritically hollow because of our woefully inhumane treatment of even more intelligent & sentient animals,
3) AGENTS of property are entitled both to freedom from coercive State action and protection by the State from violations of their personal freedom under the rule of law,
4) Humans are agents of property, dogs are property,
5) The empirical reason why dogfighting doesn’t exist en masse is because 90% of individuals have freely convinced themselves and each other through persuasion, NOT through some capricious & arbitary deterrence mechanisms that primarily heighten the popularity of self-serving political figures to capitalize on unthinking knee-jerk reactions from drones like you to demonize virtual straw men.
Your answers:
1) A citation to an animal welfare NGO’s website
2) Hilariously bad/dumb ALL CAPS ditties
3) "Your statement is FALSE (in so many ways!) because dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. Get yourself ARRESTED, I bet it’s ILLEGAL. If you don’t think so, TRY IT (I’m still waiting for a follow-up on the "so many ways" element of that remark)
Conclusion: Your replies are wholly unresponsive to my deconstruction of the normative basis for statutory law such as this fraught with ridiculously capricious and arbitrary legal reasoning. Feel free to engage at any time. You either have the argumentative skills of an 8-year old, in which case feel free to catch up with the arguments at any time, or you are simply (although quite entertainingly,) an unredeemable idiot.

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are MY points:

1) Dog-fighting is illegal in all 50 states (and D.C.) in the USA.

2) The arguments that you pointlessly laid out in defense of your original premise:

Michael Vick
Should never have been put in prison in the first place…

would never hold up in an American court of law, which means that you have wasted my time long enough.

This conversation is over.

Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin = UNSTOPPABLE.

by VA_Skin on May 3, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good thing

the US is lucky that over time people like you have remained like mesmerized cows where most individuals with IQ’s under 70 end up, firmly in the background of authentic flesh-outs of the law. Vick should never have been put in jail because like any misguided and erroneous law the Congresses have passed in history, (such as the Alien and Sedition Acts (excepting the Alien Enemies subtext), for example, since you’re apparently in 4th grade your social studies class might not have gotten there yet), the critically untenuous legal reasoning undergirding the law here renders it unconstitutional and unjustifiable.

My arguments:
1) dogfighting doesn’t violate the harm principle which undergirds the central spirit of American criminal law, which is to protect property agents as victims of improper encroachment on their natural liberty interest in their persons and property,
2) Dogs are not agents of property, they are property, we have commodified them for years & any implied “exceptional” status truly rings hypocritically hollow because of our woefully inhumane treatment of even more intelligent & sentient animals,
3) AGENTS of property are entitled both to freedom from coercive State action and protection by the State from violations of their personal freedom under the rule of law,
4) Humans are agents of property, dogs are property,
5) The empirical reason why dogfighting doesn’t exist en masse is because 90% of individuals have freely convinced themselves and each other through persuasion, NOT through some capricious & arbitary deterrence mechanisms that primarily heighten the popularity of self-serving political figures to capitalize on unthinking knee-jerk reactions from drones like you to demonize virtual straw men.
Your answers:
1) A citation to an animal welfare NGO’s website
2) Hilariously bad/dumb ALL CAPS ditties
3) “Your statement is FALSE (in so many ways!) because dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. Get yourself ARRESTED, I bet it’s ILLEGAL. If you don’t think so, TRY IT. I BET it’s ILLEGAL. (I’m still waiting for a follow-up on the *”so many ways"* element of that remark – ie why it is constitutionally justifiable law). If you believe the law is justifiable, simply re-stating “it’s justifiable, because it’s enforced because the government says it’s justifiable”, is not an answer.

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the US is lucky that over time people like you have remained like mesmerized cows where most individuals with IQ’s under 70 end up, firmly in the background of authentic flesh-outs of the law. Vick should never have been put in jail because like any misguided and erroneous law the Congresses have passed in history, (such as the Alien and Sedition Acts (excepting the Alien Enemies subtext), for example, since you’re apparently in 4th grade your social studies class might not have gotten there yet), the critically untenuous legal reasoning undergirding the law here renders it unconstitutional and unjustifiable.

My arguments:
1) dogfighting doesn’t violate the harm principle which undergirds the central spirit of American criminal law, which is to protect property agents as victims of improper encroachment on their natural liberty interest in their persons and property,
2) Dogs are not agents of property, they are property, we have commodified them for years & any implied "exceptional" status truly rings hypocritically hollow because of our woefully inhumane treatment of even more intelligent & sentient animals,
3) AGENTS of property are entitled both to freedom from coercive State action and protection by the State from violations of their personal freedom under the rule of law,
4) Humans are agents of property, dogs are property,
5) The empirical reason why dogfighting doesn’t exist en masse is because 90% of individuals have freely convinced themselves and each other through persuasion, NOT through some capricious & arbitary deterrence mechanisms that primarily heighten the popularity of self-serving political figures to capitalize on unthinking knee-jerk reactions from drones like you to demonize virtual straw men.
Your answers:
1) A citation to an animal welfare NGO’s website
2) Hilariously bad/dumb ALL CAPS ditties
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3) "Your statement is FALSE (in so many ways!) because dog-fighting is ILLEGAL. Get yourself ARRESTED, I bet it’s ILLEGAL. If you don’t think so, TRY IT. I BET it’s ILLEGAL. (I’m still waiting for a follow-up on the "so many ways" element of that remark – ie why it is constitutionally justifiable law).

If you believe the law is justifiable, simply re-stating "it’s justifiable, because it’s enforced because the government says it’s justifiable", is not an answer.

According to my count, this conversation has been over from square one. My arguments – 5 out of 5, your arguments – 0.

by Abstract Capital on May 3, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

people who

involve themselves in racketeering…and get caught…go to prison
diluting the charges to dog-fighting is as ignorant as Vick thinking
he could lie his way out of it

he still has to answer to lieing to Goodall…I gues the enablers will be calling him a racist when he stands in the way of them seeing Vick return this season

by terpsez11 on May 6, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heath Schuler?

oh please…how can such stupidity generate so much response?

by terpsez11 on May 6, 2009 7:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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