Draft Thoughts
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 8:59 AM EDT
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Why, because it's time to record my thoughts the day later...T
The day after the 2009 draft, people are crying, celebrating and some disavowing the team after what many call poor draft performance or an ok performance which allowed did not address a glaring need...The OL!
Several weeks ago Redskin Insider, by name only, showed how Orakpo could fall to 13, everyone had him ranked in the top-5, No Mock draft I am aware of had him being selected outside of the Top-10. The Redskin Draft Room could not put together a package to trade up, stayed at 13 and may have gotten the Steal of the Draft, but alas everyone is not happy.
The Redskin Insider is now concerned if the Redskins should have chosen Oher:
This weekend, the Skins wasted no time in snagging Brian Orakpo when he was still available at No. 13, even though tackle Michael Oher had slipped to that spot and despite their need for an offensive tackle.
Oher may become a good tackle in the NFL but a late Round 1 graded player should not be selected over a Top-5 graded player because of need. Of course note the "slipped" selection from insider...How does a player selected at 23 slip to 13?
Several Fan's most appear to have no clue about the team. Asked for the Redskins to draft a RB, someone speedy and quick who could spell Portis.
Comment From Day from Richmond]
Betts has been disappointing...I thought he would have contributed more than he has spelling Portis Any decent burner left that would be a good change of pace for Portis?
One quote out of several, Redskins signed Alridge and Dorsey this offseason both are quick running backs which have an opprotunity. Alridge is a better back than any of those in the draft passed the 2nd round, he has made an NFL roster.
A solid CB, local product, a great pick...but not one of need or is it. The Redskins have signed Hall and Rogers as the starting CB, Rogers is in the last year of his contract. Smoot, Westbrook and Tryon are the other CB...Smoot is getting older and IMO the most suspect, Westbrook is ok but has not taken that next step, Tryon is a great dime and improving on Special teams. Planning for the future with the Best Player Available.
OL, did not get addressed, they are old and it is an area of concern. A significant amount of Undrafted Free Agent Lineman go on to become solid OL in the NFL. Expect to see significnat pickups in that area along with a QB : ) [Chase Daniels]
Overall, a solid draft which could have significant upsides with some of the projects taken in the later rounds, OL with the players signed and UFA should be solid. Defense, if it can become a unit will be down right SCARY.
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Good Analysis
Redskins Insider is dumb if they think we should’ve taken Oher over Orakpo. I’m pumped at the idea of Orakpo getting consistent 1-on-1 coverage as the big man takes all the double teams.
I think we’ll pickup one or two more O linemen off the UFA list to add to depth. Our line was good for the first half of last season, it was the lack of depth when the injuries came that screwed us over (remember a rookie backup center playing LT on Suggs?) We’ve already signed 2 linemen, so I’m not too worried with the players Buges has to plan with.
by SSBlitz on Apr 27, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Half Right
I agree with your comments about Orakpo over Oher, however I am not impressed at all with the signing of Williams as an excuse to avoid O-line help in the later rounds instead of half of our picks going to LB’s. We got lucky with Stephan Heyer last year, and I think we are fooling ourselves if we think we will find another UFA diamond in the rough, their ability to identify talent leaves something to be desired. That said, WELCOME BACK, Dockery!!
by GoodGuy729 on Apr 27, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, OL are hard to find
Undrafted or outside of a 7 round draft:
Jeff Bostic, Joe Jacoby, Jeff Bostic….
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a projected 2nd or 3rd
sitting there in the 5th (Duke Robinson)? Is he readily available in UFA?
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder pass all 32 teams for 2+ rounds?
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IDK... Needs?
Why did Maualuga slip to the 2nd? And Oher so far out of the top 10? Or “Rak” to 13?
Either way, a projected 2nd or 3rd sitting there at the 5th round should have been a great value.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because teams did not have them ranked that high, or some teams draft on need instead of BAP
Or maybe that were not projected to move to the NFL as well as they played in college from the ones who matter the NFL coaches and front offices.
The same argument to take Orakpo and then to not take Oher, can be flipped back and forth, what is known is the Redskins had Orakpo graded in the Top-5, significantly higher than Oher: Drafting on best value then is a simple pick.
On the radio the other day, did Vinny say his board contained around 100 players? Robinson and the other may not have even made the Redskins board, I assume the players drafted did…
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder where Snyderrato had Sanchez ...
My guess is # 1.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so too. Jason Smith woulda been up there too.
by SSBlitz on Apr 27, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted
1) Curry
2) J. Smith
3) Monroe
4) Orakpo
5) A. Smith
6) Oher
or trade back. So I’m stoked.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wanted Curry at 13??
and as an eagles fan I was hoping a genetically cloned Reggie White was going to drop to us at 53. Dont laugh because I think both had just about an equal chance of happening. That list is laughable.
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't understand eagle-face...
I didn’t expect him to be there at 13, that was my draft board.
Get it?
What is it with Iggles fans and low IQs?
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 29, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might have been confused by your draft board but at least I can come up with better insults/nicknames than “eagle-face” and the “beagles”
honestly though… big time eagles fan living in NoVa. As I am sure all of you know you cant go anywhere in this town without being beat over the head redskins, redskins, redskins. I didnt come to the board to troll or to name call, just to talk football.
by dt3 on Apr 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maualuga slipped to the 2nd for a few different reasons…
-His window didnt really open til 16 so when you take that into account he really didnt slip that far
-Character concerns
-Concerns about his ability to drop back in coverage
Who had Oher as a lock in the top10? Sure there was a sliiiiiim chance of SanFran at 10 but even that is being generous. Once he got past the skins at 13 who else was looking OT until he got into the 20s??
In hindsight I really dont think Orakpo slipping to 13 (or Maclin dropping to 19) is much of a surprise at all. Once it became clear that Cleveland and NYJ were switching and that Al Davis is as crazy as everyone thought it made perfect sense.
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone knew it was going to happen (me).
My justification for showing interest in Mark Sanchez
Alright, so pre-draft jitters have me doing no work today, so I’m hoping to quell the fears that these Sanchez rumors are actually legit.
My thinking is that Snyder and Vinny are feigning interest in Sanchez to put him in the top 5 draft picks. I think it’s safe to say that Sanchez’s stock has risen more than any other player over the past few weeks, and is targeted to go around there. So why would they do this?
The obvious elite players that would be perfect for the Skins are Aaron Curry and Brian Orakpo, both at one time Top-5 prospects. You also have 4 OTs (Smith X2, Monroe, and Oher), 2 WRs (Crabtree and Maclin), 2 DLs (Jackson and Raji), and of course the two QBs (Stafford and Sanchez) all looking to go in the top 10 too.
That’s 12 players looking to go in the top 10 before us, not including players like Cushing, Ayers, or Freeman who COULD be stretch picks in there too.
So by inflating Sanchez into the top of those 12, Snyder and Vinny are increasing the odds that Orakpo and Curry (not as likely) will fall to the latter half of that 12, perfect for Washington to trade up and get (13 to 9 or 10 is worthwhile trade up. 13 to 4 is too expensive).
And if it creates a run on QBs and someone trades up or selects Freeman, even better for our odds.
So everyone please calm down, Sanchez is not coming here. I’ll take bets.
by SSBlitz on Apr 24, 2009 9:51 AM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
by SSBlitz on Apr 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive had similar thoughts/feelings before but I moved over to the other side after hearing vinny comment that definetely did try and move up but NYJ offered more.
At this point wouldnt it make more sense to deny, deny, deny and try to protect the psyche of an already fragile QB?
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vinny
Vinny said they looked at moving up, but it was too expensive.
That’s still not proof in my books. They can either say “We looked and it didn’t work out” like they did, or “We didn’t look” which sounds stupid.
by SSBlitz on Apr 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree… dont see “we didnt look” say that…
“we had no interest in moving up and Jason Campbell is our QB of today, tommorrow, and the futre”.
Say that…
“we talked about moving up to select EUGENE MONROE but it didnt work out”.
I think the skins did the right thing staying put and picked up a hell of a player in Orakpo. I just dont understand the new tough love approach they are taking with Campbell. After they missed out on Cutler I thought would have jumped behind him trying to get something positive going. Does anyone think he is going to be with the team beyond this year??
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does your crystal ball say
about us sweeping the Phil-th-adelphia Beagles?
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 29, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Duke Robinson could be sitting at 254 and I still wouldnt be interested. He went right where he should have
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well
you probably think giving up 3 draft picks and $60 million ($25 million guaranteed) to a guy that gave up 11.5 sacks was a good value. So I’ll take that comment with a grain of salt.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 29, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How has the real estate decline effected your shiny, new, glass house??
wooh wooh wooh…
we gave up the 28th pick for a 27 year old all pro Left Tackle that should be with us for the next 8 years
you guys gave up the 44th pick for a 35 year old DE that started 8 (unspectacular) games for you.
we gave 25 million to a player coming off a down year (a year that was only made worse by playing next to a complete bum that will be out of the league in 2 years)
you guys gave twice that to a player that has been a complete nonfactor in any non-contract year (and dont even get me started on that hall contract)
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Find me any ESPN/SI/NFLN talking head that says the Eagles overpaid for Peters (in the trade or contract). Across the board its been pretty much unanimous that the eagles 1)got amazing value and 2) were the clear winners of the move (and on draft day across the league).
by dt3 on Apr 30, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why so sensitive?
we gave ($)25 million to a player coming off a down year…
Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.
by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all that depth?? All of the sudden Kedric Golston, a 36 year old Phillip Daniels and a 35 year old Renaldo Wynn constitutes depth??
Look face stomper is a hell of a player and could finally add some pass rush to your guys team but trying to pass off that group as deep just does not make sense.
The eagles have more depth at WR than the skins do at D line.
by dt3 on Apr 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds crazy doesn't it?
Until you take off the beer goggles and actually take a look.
You might have heard that we had the #4 overall defense last year? Well, from that line we only lost Evans and Taylor. Regarding Taylor, I think I read something up there to the effect of :
… a 35 year old DE that started 8 (unspectacular) games for you.
That means that you would probably agree that losing Taylor really wasn’t much of a loss at all. Losing Evans wasn’t that big either since he will be replaced by this human FREAK named Brian Orakpo. You might have heard of him too?
With Corny, Monty, and Golston rotating in and out last year we had the #4 defense. How much better will every one of those guys be now, with a year starting under their belt, doing work beside BIG ALBERT HAYNESWORTH?!
Take a look at least at this depth chart:
DLE ~ Brian Orakpo / Phillip Daniels / Renaldo Wynn
DLT ~ Cornelius Griffin / Anthony Montgomery / Lorenzo Alexander
DRT ~ Albert Haynesworth / Kedric Golston
DRE ~ Andre Carter / Chris Wilson / Alex Buzbee / Rob Jackson
You HAVE to acknowledge that line is DEEP. When they get in sync, they will be a powerful force to be reckoned with. Don’t think for a second that bringing in that overpriced, glorified TE will do anything to stop them. That’s gonna be like putting a band-aid on a gun shot wound!
Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin & all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.
by VA_Skin on Apr 30, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
So True...True
Great detailed analysis, enough for a recommend instead of a +1
by dr WNC on Apr 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Improved?? You guys definetely have some talent back there but you basically traded Springs for Barnes. Or am I missing something??
by dt3 on May 1, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
we picked up Hall to replace 34-year old Springs (who played what, 8 or 9 games last year?). Barnes just adds depth to an already menacing secondary.
Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin + all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.
by VA_Skin on May 1, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see lots of names… not alot of talent
You also have to factor in that Orakpo is going to be lined up at SAM most of the time and is only going to have his hand down on third downs.
Didnt they say Chris Wilson is going to be moved to LB also?? Or was that only before the Orakpo pick?? So that makes your 3rd DE who? Renaldo Wynn or Alex Buzbee?? You can color me unimpressed.
Its funny that you mention Peters as being a former TE and not being able to stop your line. Before you get that high on Orakpo you might want to check out some Texas/OSU tape and see the job Pettigrew pulled on your boy.
by dt3 on May 1, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to factor in that Orakpo is going to be lined up at SAM most of the time and is only going to have his hand down on third downs.
Actually, I DON’T have to factor that in because we won’t really know who is starting where until after training camp. The fact is that nearly all of the scouting reports think he is more suited for a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB. Depending upon what scheme is drawn up for that particular play, he could see time in both OR it may be determined that he is more suited for one or the other completely.
The Redskins are going to try Wilson at OLB, along with about 6 or more other players who will be competing for that job. Does that mean he can’t be rotated in at DE? Of course not.
The bottom line here is that if you can’t pull your head out your butt for 1 minute and admit that we have a deep and impressive D-Line, then, I can only assume that you really don’t know or watch football and you’re just another closet Skins fan (which would explain why you are a member of Hogs Haven), who will be all on our bandwagon if we take the NFC East this year.
Haynesworth, Orakpo, Carter, Griffin + all that depth = UNSTOPPABLE.
by VA_Skin on May 1, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you forgot Starke...
that was when the draft was 12 or 14 rounds and less scouting than today. I doubt we can find three gems like that in this day and age.
by liger99 on Apr 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgive me if i am misunderstanding your post but are you pointing to 2 pickups from over 20 years ago as proof that the skins should be able to find starting quality OL in free agency??
by dt3 on Apr 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need starting linemen though.
We need depth, which we have now. A UFA diamond in the rough is as common as a 7th round pick diamond in the rough (on the O line).
I think we’re looking pretty solid at most positions. A #2 WR is at the top of my wishlist now. Here’s hoping for Thomas and Kelly to break out.
by SSBlitz on Apr 27, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...Agree...Agree
Hope Thrash the “good player” doesn’t make the team because of the talent above him, including special teams…
ARE is pushed to a slot reciever only, no punt returns
Rock is the team captain for Special teams but no longer recieves kick-offs
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hoping either jaison williams the UFA out of oregon who was a stud in college ore marko williams can make the team, i think both of them have a huge upside and who is recieving kicks over rock
by ST21 on Apr 27, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
Kelly’s knee is a BIG ?.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It not a problem
He said it’s 100% and is ready to go. Full practice and everything.
by KevinE on Apr 27, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope he's not our 'Agent Zero'
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible...
Agent Zero was an all-star and took us to the playoffs…malcolm has done nothing yet.
by KevinE on Apr 27, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.
And let me also add for the record that I believe the Wiz are also playoff bound next year. Gil is coming back from injury (hopefully for real), a high pick (please get Griffin), and a great new coach. Go BULLETS (and change the name back) !!
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing is....
If the Wiz do make the playoffs w/ how good the East is, they would be a 7-8 seed, which would pin the Wiz vs Cavs round 1.
by KevinE on Apr 27, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chicago (7) & Detroit (8)
were .500 and .476, respectively. In other words, if we can break .500, we should be able to go 6 or better. With the exception of Cleveland and Boston, I think the rest of the East are just pretenders.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can we talk redskins now
pretty sure there is another SB nation for the wiz
by ST21 on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL no prob BOSS
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i didnt mean to be a faggot by saying that i just am a redskins fan in atlanta so i dont know anything about the wizards
by ST21 on Apr 27, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Hawks just smacked the Heat in the mouth
What is that series tied 2-2 now?
You’ve got a nice squad in Johnson, Bibby and Horford.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
by VA_Skin on Apr 27, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some short fast guys, on the roster
RB’s even…
by dr WNC on Apr 27, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
The Redskins draft and UDFAs signings reminded me of a fantasy football draft where you have that one guy who can execute the early rounds then gets stuck and starts drafting hometown players. That guy never wins. They should have been better prepared to get OL help with either a trade up from the third round or better scouting. Gibbs moved up to the second round to get Rocky and up to the third to get Cooley. With next year looking like an uncapped year and a greater ability to fill holes, why were they not prepared to fill just one more hole in this draft?
by liger99 on Apr 28, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
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