2009 NFL Draft Grades: Washington Redskins: B-
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
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| Round (Pick) | Player |
| 1 (13) | Brian Orakpo DE Texas [Profile] |
| 3 (80) | Kevin Barnes DB Maryland [Profile] |
| 5 (158) | Cody Glenn OLB Nebraska (from Minnesota) [Profile] |
| 6 (186) | Robert Henson ILB TCU [Profile] |
| 7 (221) | Eddie Williams TE Idaho (from Minnesota) [Profile] |
| 7 (243) | Marko Mitchell WR Nevada (Compensatory pick) [Profile] |
(Click the profile links for info, combine stats, and Skins fan's reactions)
As indicated by the poll here on Hogs Haven, we all love the Orakpo pick. What is disconcerning is how lucky we got. When Orakpo fell to #12, Cerrato was looking to trade spots with Denver. Vinny said:
I called Denver and said do you want to flip flop and he said ‘you are going to get your guy.’ Once they turned in [Knowshon] Moreno then I called Brian.
What is Josh McDaniels thinking?? Denver could have EASILY taken the 3rd or 5th pick from the Redskins and STILL have gotten Knowshon. It really baffles me and Denver fans are beyond furious. Either way, Orakpo was the excellent call so A+ there to the front office.
For Kevin Barnes, I have no problem with this pick as well. Adding depth in the secondary is a safe move with an aging Smoot, and KB was slotted to be a first day pick if it wasn't for his injury (which he has fully rehabbed from). At this point I was still pissed that we weren't drafting OL, but I saw "value" here as Vinny would say so I let it go. B+.
Now this is the point I start throwing my beer against the wall.
Cody Glenn, RB/OLB from Nebreska and Robert Henson, ILB, from TCU. Linebackers? SERIOUSLY? At this point Javon Ringer, an excellent RB both Devin Thomas and I love...is off the board. Missed that boat. Some solid lineman are left and several Hogs Haven members were lobbying for Duke Robinson. But the Redskins HAVE to have a good reason for drafting them right? Ummm...no! Let's look at what Zorn said about Robert Henson:
“I told him on the phone, ‘I don’t exactly know where you’re going to end up. Just come and let’s play,’” Zorn said.
Sweet. Special teams guy. The Skins' offense ranked 17 points a game with all the weapons they have, and they're drafting guys with no idea of where they'll play. Come on guys. D+.
Grrrr. So OK...Cedric Dockery is on the board and there are some 'fat guys' left with 2 picks. No worries, right?
AHH. I was at my softball game when my cell phone was blowing up. "Skins drafted a WR and a TE." I thought it had to be a joke. So by my count the Redskins have FOUR tight ends? Do they plan on running the wildcat with Todd Yoder in the backfield and Fred Davis and Cooley on the ends? GIMME A BREAK GUYS! Then the next text came in that he would be used as a fullback.
“He’s running and cutting,” Cerrato said. “If he had not been hurt, he would have been a third round pick.”
OK, so this pick makes more sense to me. Sellers, who we all love, is getting old and holding out for more money (thank you Rosenhaus). Decent pick by the Redskins here. B.
As for the WR, I am still am in shock. Vinny spoke about Marko Williams:
"He’s a big guy who has a lot of skills and can really run"
Thanks Vinny! Most wide receivers can!! Ugh. Really baffles me. I think overall the Skins are in good shape, it just would have been nice to have seen the RB and OL positions been ATTEMPTED to filled. We'll keep an eye on signings the next couple days. Dr Wnc offers some good analysis as well pointing out many OL are to be found with post-draft free agent signings.
Thoughts?
Update: Matt Terl posted an updated list of UFA signings, only two OL...and yes, TWO more tight ends. I'm going to go find a punching bag now.
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RB?
This makes no sense to me on RB, here maybe this will help.
Heads into the off season as the Cougars’ number-one running back… also will be looked upon to return kicks… nation’s top returning rusher in yards per carry (10.1 ypc)… dangerous runner and receiver who just makes big plays… extremely elusive and an excellent receiver out of the backfield… should also see action on special teams by returning kicks…
He’s a Redskin…
Who is this?
I was just saying it would be good to start planning for someone to take the load off Portis…Ladell Betts is not the answer. What RB is that you mentioned above?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow..
Skins got crucified. Not even close…hands down graded the worst in the league.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Um.....
yeah….
Reggie Bush? Mario Williams? Brady Quinn? Do any of these names ring any bells??
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
If you’re talking about players drafted I would agree with giving the Skins a B-. However, if you grading the draft by needs fulfilled, a D is probably more inline.
Agree 100%
Those 5th and 6th round picks are what really irk me. With the LB core we have now, these guys won’t see much time. is this a sign that Rocky won’t get an extension? I have no idea. But there had to be SOME value OL there at 5 and 6 that they had. The fans definitely need some answers here….hopefully Doc Walker can sit down with them again.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
The more I think about it...
B- is probably too nice….I mean, taking Orakpo at #13 EVERY general manager would have done at our spot…even frickin Al Davis.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Al Davis
wouldn’t have taken Orakpo. 40 time was too slow.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, great.
Chase Daniel. Excuse me while I vomit in excitement.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Concerning the draft...
I think they could have gotten at least 2 more wide receivers, failing that a couple of pass catching tight ends. They’re going to implement a new offense called the “Headless Chicken” where there will be 10 WRs and a Center. Can you imagine the implications, the permutations and the intrigue!?
Hey....
it can’t be THAT MUCH more insane than the Wildcat, can it?
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Well you're a racist turd sandwich
*Thurgod Marshall reference.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Mel Kiper's grade
Washington Redskins: GRADE: C+
Brian Orakpo fell into their laps and he gives them the pass-rushing presence they haven’t had since Dexter Manley. Kevin Barnes is a decent third-round pick. Robert Henson is a decent late-round pick at linebacker.
Oh yeah?
Well I grade Mel Kiper’s hair an F-!!
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow we could have
had Graham Harell and we took Chase Daniels instead dumb really dumb
To be fair,
I AM glad we took Daniels over Harrell. Harrell’s a horribly overrated spread QB.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Harrell’s a horribly overrated spread QB.
… with a weak arm. But also very accurate (Chad Pennington?).
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Minus the whole
“most accurate QB in NFL history” thing, and maybe the “always injured” thing.
So…. does this make Harrell a poor man’s Chad Pennington? Because I always kinda thought Chad Pennington was a poor man’s Chad Pennington.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pete Prisco's Redskins Grade: C
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11680126
Best pick: They needed a defensive end and landed one in Brian Orakpo, who fell to the them at 13. He will be a rookie starter.
Questionable move: Trading their second-round pick away last year to the Dolphins for Jason Taylor. How’d that work out?
Second-day gem: Third-round pick Kevin Barnes has a chance to be a factor as a nickel corner.I like Orakpo, but they landed little else that excites. And not having a second-round pick really hurt.
Honestly,
the crack about Jason Taylor is just a cheap shot. Everyone thought that looked like a great move when they first made it.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Well
Orakpo is flashier than an OL….
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Disagree.
Daniels did more with less talent.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless
you find Ty Detmer and Timmy Chang to be awesome NFL QBs:
On Saturday, November 22, 2008, Harrell passed Ty Detmer to move into 2nd for passing yardage in a career behind Timmy Chang.51
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Alright, but serious question, though....
In the 7th round, we took a TE/FB with our main pick, and a WR with our compensatory pick.
Not a single OL in the entire draft, the position that I, personally, felt was/is our greatest area of need.
Did Joe Bugel do something to piss off Snyderrato??
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If no answers come in the comings days...
Sugar and I will for SURE ask the coaches when we’re at minicamp.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Unless
the fact that Stephon Heyer has proved to be a serviceable Hog has convinced Snyderrato that OL can just as easily be had as UFA’s. (Joe Jacoby, too)
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not even sure
that Buges is that much of a miracle worker.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Why build from the draft?
When we can get old free agents and give them different nicknames. The Dirt bags, over the hill gang, the hogs, what next, Scum suckers? Bottom Feeders? The Holders?
No starters in the later rounds
We need a starter at RT and anyone after the second round looked like a project or a tackle that would need to move to guard. We have a few young projects at guard already….rinehart, montgomery, and clark….and signed two more as UDFAs. I assume they are going to work on Williams as a backup tackle with potential to start?
yeah
Played for VA Tech…you know another local guy. He was drafted and cut by CAR a two years ago and he was on the roster last year. I saw him on Redskins Nation a few weeks ago and he was talking about working with Buges all of last year. He looked big/strong and is already in the system, so I’d rather let him develop and not replace him.
YeaH THAT WAS
stupid I thought we should have drafted at least 2 o-linemen
Any chance
we get any O-linemen that were undrafted FA
I'm sure
that’s their plan.
You should use the reply button, by the way. It would make it much easier to follow the conversation.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Maryland center/guard Edwin Williams
a full list is getting released today.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Or even 4 more
Williams can’t play center and guard at the same time…..
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure that I spelled
that wrong but I meant the 4th lb from usc
Agreed that Josh McDaniels is an idiot, btw.
They could have picked up extra picks from the Redskins, traded down, and STILL been able to draft Moreno. He was predicted as a late 1st-early 2nd round pick.
Dumb move.
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But now I love him.
‘you are going to get your guy.’
Great quote. If only to win the affection of Skins fans. He’s +10 in my books now.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." -Napoleon Bonaparte
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I also
can’t believe that he would spend his first pick on a RB…. especially as awful as the Broncos were on defense last year.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Terl just posted the UFA list on his blog
More to come on these guys, but for now, here’s the list:
Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri
Edwin Williams, C, Maryland
Scott Burley, OL, Maryland
Robert Agnone, TE, Delaware
Devin Frischknecht, TE, Washington State
John Halman, WR, Concordia
Jaison Williams, WR, Oregon
Derek Walker, DE, Illinois
Antonio Dixon, DT, Miami (FL)
Brigham Harwell, DT, UCLA
Ronnie Palmer, LB, Arizona
Lendy Holmes, S, Oklahoma
Doug Dutch, CB, Michigan
Only two offensive lineman. I just don’t get it. Especially with as much room as the Skins have on their roster!!
I love how they signed two more tight ends....
is it April Fool’s day?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't remember
us ever trying out this many TEs (when we already have 3). Are they looking for Cooley’s replacement
???
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Especially since
if the cap goes away next year, we’ll be able to keep Cooley around. (Granted, for one hundred meelion dollars, or something)
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Skins just signed Cooley to a 6 year extension...
2 years ago.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but
how many years was it REALLY worth?
(I don’t recall offhand)
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like...
they are looking for special teams players with some size and speed (TE/WR/LB). We already have plenty of OL projects at this point. They could be thinking that Williams, Clark, plus two more MD guys is enough. We had to put Crumney on the practice squad last year and he got signed away.
Ronnie Palmer
Yay! They DID get a former Wildcat!
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 27, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought the draft was OK.
Orakpo falling to us at #13 was amazing (Thank you KC, Buffalo, and Oakland). I’m glad we took him over Oher because I believe he can be a star. That being said, why didn’t we consider trading back into the first when Oher had his epic fall? The dude is top 10 talent and he fell to #23! Ozzie Newsome is a great GM and that’s why he traded up to get Oher.
Alright, so we passed on Oher. There’s still some major talent at LT left on the board. 1 tackle, William Beatty, was projected to go in the first round. He fell to #60 in the second round and guess who picked him? That’s right, the NYG. As much as I hate the Giants, their GM is smart. They don’t even have a NEED at T but they understand the importance of depth and value.
I’m not a GM so maybe I don’t understand the implications of trading up, but when you really like somebody and you have a need, why not mortgage the future for a chance to win now?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
+1
The Ravens moved up 3 spots and only gave up their 5th round pick. Who did we use for our 5th round pick? A RB/OLB….geeez. Baffling.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
But what did the Redskins have
First is used…
I agree trading back into the first to get Oher would have been great…the question is with h what?
2nd round pick next year...
maybe even the 1st next year…maybe. Bungles traded their 1st next year to get Rey Maualuga in the 2nd…tough call.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Next year's 2nd is like a 3rd
Giving up next years 2nd, this years 3rd, 5th and 6th for one player….and to jump back in the first round.
Redskins had to draft they way the drafted due to the mistakes they made by not having the draft picks available…a lot of could-of but not much substance with only 5 picks turned into 6
OL next year?
Danny didn’t want to part with our #1 for next year for some reason. I assume it is to address the OL, but that makes too much sense. So far we have all our picks for next year….strange. I did not see a starter for RT there in the third round and lots of projects in the later rounds. Seems like we have plenty of ‘projects’ on the line already and added two more as UDFAs. I’m guessing draft OL next year and maybe sign Pete back for depth and work on Williams as the possible RT?
Well...
We don’t have our 6th round pick next year…Jason Taylor.
Williams I am not counting on because he’s been out of the league so long…tough for big guys to get back into shape. All i got is hope, so i guess I’ll just wait and see.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait.
No 6th next year?! How many picks did we lose for JT? Our 2nd this draft and …
How did we lose our 4th in this draft again?
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Why shouldnt he?
Florida QBs have a great legacy here…Wuerrfel, Shane Matthews. ugh…oh man, yea, w/ the outstanding QB class next year, Snyder prob is thinking QB.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's so he has something
to trade for favre when he comes back out uf retirement
HAHAHA
I’m guessing his jersey # would be 00.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Cerrato there were no good OL to draft....
“When you get past a point in the draft when you don’t feel like there’s a starting guy there, we just went to other positions,” Vinny Cerrato, executive vice president of football operations, said.
The Skins seem really content with Mike Williams and that he can contribute. Let’s hope so.
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2009/042009/04272009/462171/index_html?page=2
Zorn said the Redskins will not pursue former Seattle Seahawks linebacker Leroy Hill unless Hill lowers his expect multimillion-dollar asking price. Hill became an unrestricted free agent yesterday after Seattle removed the franchise player tag from him.
I wonder how much Hill would have to lower his asking price… veteran minimum? We would have a fantasy defense with that guy.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
"When you get past a point in the draft when you don’t feel like there’s a starting guy there, we just went to other positions,"
Wow, that’s telling.
So it’s more important to have 9 “starter quality” (in your own mind) wide receivers than finding a quality backup O lineman? That’s a horrible way to plan.
Bitter boy
Sounds like you’re still bitter about something.
- Romo choking every year?
- Not winning a playoff game in a decade?
- Jerry Jones doing all your draft picks?
- Trading the house for Roy Williams?
- The fact your stadium is still not sold out for season tickets?
- Jessica Simpson’s recent weight gain may affect her boo Tony?
- That MNF meltdown where Santana and Brunell burned you?
- Chase Daniel picking the mighty Skins over your thug team?
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That MNF meltdown where Santana and Brunell burned you?
You mean this.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Still gives me goosebumps
God I miss watching 21. What an incredible athlete.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Don't be jealous Cowbitch
Just because Jerry Jones is the worst GM in NFL history…
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
lmao
Yes Im still upset about the loss on Monday night 4 years ago, How’d you know?
Yes Im upset that Chase Daniel picked the Skins…
I dont give a flying f***! Why would I care about him?
We have a QB, you must be upset that YOUR team wanted to give Campbell the boot for Cutler and/or Sanchez
"Hit or get hit" MBIII
You have a big game choke-artist
pretending to be a QB. Get it straight.
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
At least
Romo’s really good at holding for field goals.
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You must still be upset because MB3 finished off your squad, all by himself in our last meeting
6-2
2-6 LMAO
"Hit or get hit" MBIII
Skins have won 3 of the last 4 games against you bro
including the last 2 games at your old dump of a stadium. Neither team made the playoffs so save it. Your team has not gotten better this off-season….good luck with Wade Phillips as your coach.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time
your shitty team won a playoff game?
Curry, Orakpo, or the top 4 OLs... or back.
Nope.
Loooong before that. Redskins last won the East in 1999. Cowboys have gone ohfer in the playoffs since the 1995 Super Bowl.
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I'll be back soon
I dont wanna continue to post & eventually get booted out of here. I just wanted to see what Skins fans were saying about there draft picks…
…’til next time
"Hit or get hit" MBIII
No worries
Yea, we generally all like the first two picks…then are pretty unhappy with the rest. OL is still a major concern..but feeling good about the D.
I think every Skins fan was hoping you never cut Roy Williams….last 3 years he’s been worthless. Def a needed move.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Apr 27, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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