Rumorville Continues: Snyderrato hell bent on Sanchez
by KevinE on Apr 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT
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Seahawks fans are rejoicing at the expense of Redskins Nation:
Yes, Yes, Yes! Thank god for Daniel Snyder and Vinny Cerrato! Ok, I maybe getting a bit too excited to quickly, but there is some evidence that the Skins, who have a documented mancrush on Mark Sanchez, have now called and put out feelers about what it might take to move into the Seahawks [#4] spot...
This is all from a post that Redskins Insider just posted. So the Seahawks move down 9 spots and get an extra 1st round pick next year. Seems asinine to me. JLC is hearing things:
Several sources have suggested the Redskins have begun to send out feelers on what it might take to get Seattle's pick, and the Seahawks, at this stage, would likely seek two first-round picks on the high end. That was a price the Redskins were willing to pay for Chad Johnson last year and Jay Cutler a few weeks back, although neither deal was completed.
I was just IM'ing with sugar (we need a poll for a new nickname), and he thinks it is to get Orakpo, or praying for an ideal pick of Jason Smith. In my opinion, no one is worth trading two 1st rounders for unless the player has already won a Super Bowl and is in his prime. I am a little surprised that the Boldin to Washington rumors have not been blown out of proportion. The good news on that is since Boldin is represented by Rosenhaus, the Skins don't have the cap room to sign him (though he is a great player).
Back to the issue, at this point, how can JC seriously stay focused? He's the equivalent of a lame duck president right now, none of which is his fault. What I find baffling about this rumor is that the Skins are willing to give up TWO first rounders, the same pricetag in essence for what Cutler is. So Cerrato thinks Cutler, a pro-bowler, has the same value as Sanchez, a college QB? I just don't get it. They just want a replacement at the QB spot no matter what the expense. So this makes JC and Colt wasted draft picks then.
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Unbelievable.
As much as I like Sanchez and think he’ll be great, this would be one of THE worst moves I’ve ever seen. Even if Campbell hasn’t proven he can be great yet, he isn’t the problem. Our defensive and offensive lines are the problem and they have to be addressed. What are they thinking? That Sanchez can be like Flacco and Matt Ryan from a year ago? They weren’t even better than Campbell and they had a much better defense (Flacco at least). I’m starting to wonder whether any of Dan Snyders moves are football moves and not just publicity stunts so that he can sell more tickets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Apr 16, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And while we're at it,
let’s just trade every draft pick we have for Ricky Williams. That worked out pretty well for the Saints….
Seriously, PLEEEEEEEEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEASE LET THIS BE A FEINT.
And if we actually are stupid enough to do it, PLEEEEEEEASE DON’T LET IT BE IN ORDER TO DRAFT SANCHEZ.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smokescreens
I’m still convinced this is smokescreens. But I think Vinny and Snyder wouldn’t mind trading up with Seattle if Curry drops to 4.
by SSBlitz on Apr 16, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't
really recall the Redskins doing a smokescreen for the draft…. in fact, when they traded back into the first round to select Jason Campbell, everyone was talking about how moronically obvious it was that they were looking to draft Soupy.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade = good
Trade up = bad, very very very bad.
Trade back = more picks = good, very good
by matthiasstephan on Apr 16, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Drafting Sanchez
= bad
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sanchez will be a better QB than Stafford. At the sametime this is a very weak QB class imo. We also have alot of other more pressing needs then a QB who would get killed behind center in Washington. To top it off if we trade up to get any player its ignorant. We got 5 picks this year and 6 next year. We have too many holes to trade more of our future for a QB who might not even be ready to play this year.
If the Skins draft Orakpo, Everette Brown, Oher, or Andre Smith at 13 its a great move imo. If one of those players arent there we need to trade down and get more picks. Dont get me wrong I like Sanchez. He seems like a good guy when he talks and wants to be great. He also looks pretty good on tape. The problem is hes a risk when we have other more pressing needs. Even more of a risk when we might have to trade up to get him.
If we trade up to draft Sanchez he better be the next Joe Montana. IMO if we want to trade up for a QB we should do it in 2010.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a good guy when he talks and wants to be great.
Except when he’s raping girls…..
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhhh........
FACE & BURN !!
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." -Theismann
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's
had other off the field incidents, too.
If Snyderatto is really smitten with him, then they must have learned ABSOLUTELY NOTHING from Joe Gibbs 2.0.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Double FACE
Double BURN
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." -Theismann
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found an interesting writeup
over at Field Gulls, comparing Mark Sanchez and Ryan Leaf.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On June 3, 2006, the Los Angeles County District Attorney’s office announced no charges would be filed against Sanchez due to a “lack of sufficient evidence beyond a reasonable doubt”, noting the case was “essentially a ‘one-on-one’ allegation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_sanchez
Kinda harsh to say the guy raped a girl when he was never charged.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but they only didn't press charges
because it was a case of her word vs. his. You’re fine to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I have a little more issue with granting him that benefit given his previous off field incidents in HS and college and the fact that he was the third USC football player accused but not charged with rape in a 3 year stretch. Twice might be a coincidence. Three times? That tells me that the football players at USC have a sense of entitlement. (As do the players at many major football powers)
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless,
I do NOT want the ’Skins to draft him.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont want the Skins to draft Sanchez either bur your accusing someone of rape with no proof.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There IS proof.
The girl he raped claimed he raped her. Is it necessarily true? No. Is it beyond the shadow of a doubt? Of course not. But to argue that there’s no proof is just silly. You’re accusing her of being a liar, and in fact, the number of people accusing her of that got to be so stifling that she transferred out of USC — God forbid the future star QB could do something wrong…
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A persons word isnt proof. Its hearsay. Maybe its true, maybe its not.
I do know when you say…..
Except when he’s raping girls…..
that it is a straight up ignorant comment. So if some girl posts on here you raped her I should post DbacksSkins rapes girls???
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If
she went to the police and filed a police report claiming that I raped her, that’s a very different thing than someone posting an accusation on Hogs Haven. Especially if I were witnessed as being drunk earlier in the evening in question.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok ill rephrase…..
If a girl filed a report with the police and then came on here and accused you on this board is it ok for me to say what you said about Sanchez?
Oh and just because he was drunk also doesnt mean he raped her.
Im not saying he didnt rape her. Im just saying we dont know.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From a bird's eye view on this...
I have to say that RedskinFEVA might have the better angle on this debate.
But Sanchez still isn’t worth our 4th pick (or 13th)!
IN JC WE TRUST
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what Dbacks is saying to a extent. Most of the time the man who is accused did rape the woman. There are times though where the man is accused and he really didnt do it. Since in this case it was hearsay and the police have no proof Sanchez raped her id say it could go either way. One of them was lying we just dont know which one so its probably best to not accuse anyone.
Agreed. I dont think we should draft a QB this year. Theres too many other needs and better players available that could step in this year. Campbell also is in a contract year. Lets see what he can do in it.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 16, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found this somewhere on the internet, regarding Sanchez's sexual assault allegations. It made me LMAO.
It hasn’t affected his football playing abilities
I’d pick Peyton Manning if he raped an entire first grade class that included my son.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now thats kinda disturbing. At the sametime I LMFAO for 5 minutes.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 17, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I like that the guy’s comment steps it up to gay, under-age raping…thats some serious QB love there.
by KevinE on Apr 17, 2009 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah....
he really ups the ante, doesn’t he?
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me just say for the record...
IF Snyderrato trades up to #4 (giving up TWO 1st round picks?!), and PASSES on CURRY and ORAKPO!!…
I will go to Fed Ex on Draft Day… walk on to the middle of the field… sit down ‘indian style’ on our beloved Redskins’ logo… pour gasoline all over myself… and light a giant human bonfire like the Buddhist monk on the cover of that Rage Against the Machine album…
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." -Theismann
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
I am NOT gonna be the one to clean up the crap if you immolate yourself.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PASSES on CURRY and ORAKPO!!…
and drafts Dirty Sanchez. : )
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." -Theismann
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always liked McShay!
Todd McShay weighs in on the Sanchez rumors and adds a Mock draft
2009 ESPN Mock Draft:Todd McShay
There are three angles with the Redskins and this pick. One, if Sanchez falls, they take him. Two, they could mortgage their future and send draft picks to move up to take Sanchez. I’m not convinced they’ll do it, but it certainly wouldn’t be against Dan Snyder’s style. Third, assuming Sanchez is gone, they go either with an offensive tackle or a defensive end. In this case, Ayers is the best value on the board among those two positions, and his combination of power and quickness would give the Redskins versatility at the position opposite Andre Carter
I like the pick but with Oher still on the board, IMO Redskins should go OL.
by dr WNC on Apr 16, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My whole thing....
If we want Sanchez that bad….why not (if he doesn’t make it to #13)…let another team draft him…where he’ll ride the bench all year and learn the NFL….then at the end of the year we can trade our #1 pick for him?
VERSUS GIVING UP TWO #1 PICKS THIS YEAR? Cutler was worth 2 number 1 picks and he’s a LOT better than Sanchez….amazing the Skins value Cutler and a QB out of college the same value (essentially). Lordy Lord Lord.
by KevinE on Apr 16, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
This offseason has truly revealed Snyderrato’s real feelings about Campbell. They clearly don’t see him as the QB of the future. Campbell needs this year to prove them WRONG.
I was ALL FOR bringing Cutler in because he has proven that he can be great. At this point, Sanchez doesn’t even hold a candle to Cutler OR Campbell. That might change… in 2-3 years.
Anyone who didn’t want Cutler, but thinks Sanchez might be worth 2 DRAFT PICKS (!!!!) is borderline cincyboy.
"Nobody in the game of football should be called a genius. A genius is somebody like Norman Einstein." -Theismann
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
This point is too good to leave as a comment. I added another paragraph to the end of the post.
Haha, love the cincyboy comment. You might also say trading 2 first round draft picks for Sanchez makes you a racist turd sandwich.
by KevinE on Apr 16, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do have to say this about the Sanchez debacle.
At least it’s proven that the Dan Snyder mistrust of J.Cam isn’t about race. Sanchez is Mexican.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, Yep.
Maybe Snyder is the racist turd sandwich!
IN JC WE TRUST
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then again....
most Mexicans look a lot more like white people than black people. Hmmm….
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 16, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez looks like Vinny Chase (Entourage)...
} Sanchez / Vinny { 
IN JC WE TRUST
by VA_Skin on Apr 16, 2009 11:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
GIVE UP MORE PICKS!? Are you kidding me?
This nightmare of a front office just gets worse and worse.
I like how we gave up extra picks to get JC, who we are theoretically now replacing with a new rookie QB who would cost even MORE extra picks.
Well, at least Rocky Mac is proving worth the extra picks we gave up for him….
oh wait….
by smutsboy1 on Apr 17, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+100 meelion dollars
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard it said several times..
Why draft an unproven QB early?… there is always going to be good/great talent available somewhere eventually (Brees, cassell(TBD), cutler, warner… just to name a few that weren’t drafted to the teams they play for) through trades/free agency.
this would be ridiculous and I will give-up on the dumbasses for good if they allow this to happen… This borderline infuriates me!!
Lets see how long it takes for the skins to win a SB durring this “we have no faith” in our players phase they are going through!! This team’s staff is bi-polar and mediocre at best.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Apr 17, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Um.... Cutler was drafted by the Broncos.... he's pretty much a different case.
Also, at least we don’t go through QBs like the Bucs do.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm
The Bucs won a Super Bowl this decade w/ a previous Redskin QB. BAM!!!!!
by KevinE on Apr 17, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the strength
of their defense…. that’s like the Bucs bragging that the Ravens won a Super Bowl w/ Trent Dilfer.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People underrate Brad Johnson way too much:
Brad Johnson’s stats in 2002:
281 comp 451 att 62.3 % 3049 yds 22 TD 6 INT 92.9 QB Rating
Trent Dilfer’s stats in 2000:
134 comp 226 att 59.3 % 1502 yds 12 TD 11 INT 76.6 QB Rating
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to think that
the point here is:
If teams can win with guys like Dilfer and Johnson, then we can continue building our team around JC and (unless a small number of great QBs become available) hopefully win a Superbowl or 2… with JC.
IN JC WE TRUST
by VA_Skin on Apr 17, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you never know. Hopefully JC can do that. I just think comparing a guy like Dilfer to Brad Johnson isnt right. Brad Johnson was a good QB in this league. Just look at what he did with Westbrook and Connell at WR and Norv as Head Coach. In 1999 his first year as a Redskin he made the Pro Bowl and led the Skins to their only NFC East Title since 1991.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 17, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
look at the BEARS and Grossman/Orton when they went to the super bowl a couple of years ago against the COLTs… granted, the team with a better QB won- but that point is mute;
“with a special teams player like Hester, who needs an offense”:
Although, it is good to have a great coaching staff and overall fundamentals with Huge TEAM talent, their is one obvious thing this list of SB QBs shows- Great QBs will win! I think Jason is a great QB- given the chance!:
XXIV 1/28/90 Joe Montana, 49ers* John Elway, Broncos
XXV 1/27/91 Jeff Hostetler, Giants Jim Kelly, Bills
XXVI 1/26/92 Mark Rypien, Redskins* Jim Kelly, Bills
XXVII 1/31/93 Troy Aikman, Cowboys Jim Kelly, Bills
XXVIII 1/30/94 Troy Aikman, Cowboys* Jim Kelly, Bills
XXIX 1/29/95 Steve Young, 49ers* Stan Humphries, Chargers
XXX 1/28/96 Troy Aikman, Cowboys Neil O’Donnell, Steelers
XXXI 1/26/97 Brett Favre, Packers Drew Bledsoe, Patriots
XXXII 1/25/98 John Elway, Broncos Brett Favre, Packers
XXXIII 1/31/99 John Elway, Broncos* Chris Chandler, Falcons
XXXIV 1/30/00 Kurt Warner, Rams* Steve McNair, Titans
XXXV 1/28/01 Trent Dilfer, Ravens Kerry Collins, Giants
XXXVI 2/3/02 Tom Brady, Patriots* Kurt Warner, Rams
XXXVII 1/26/03 Brad Johnson, Bucs Rich Gannon, Raiders
XXXVIII 2/1/04 Tom Brady, Patriots* Jake Delhomme, Panthers
XXXIX 2/6/05 Tom Brady, Patriots Donovan McNabb, Eagles
XL 2/5/06 Ben Roethlisberger, Steelers Matt Hasselbeck, Seahawks
XLI 2/4/07 Peyton Manning, Colts* Rex Grossman, Bears
XLII 2/3/08 Eli Manning, Giants* Tom Brady, Patriots
XLIII 2/09 Berger, steelers*Warner, Cards
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Apr 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but
there’s NO WAY the Bucs outscore the Raiders’ offense that year, whether or not BJ sucked.
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by DbacksSkins on Apr 17, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree the Bucs defense was key in the Super Bowl win over the Raiders at the sametime they wouldnt of been their if it wasnt for Brad Johnson. I just dont see how you can compare Dilfer who was a system QB in 2000 to Johnson who was a key to the success of the Bucs in their 2002 Super Bowl season. The comparison is weak.
RIP Sean Taylor (1983-2007)
by RedskinFEVA on Apr 18, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is
playing for the bears now… the point was that talent is swished around and doesn’t HAVE to come from the draft…
Even if the current QB line-up doesn’t work out- there are upcoming QBs in college now and always negotiations available within the league…. but WHY shoot yourself in the foot by sabatoging the mental status of the guy you are currently relying on?
the draft is a crap-shoot of talent- you never truly know what you are going to get with who you select. There have been more busts than winners when it comes to the draft game. Essentially, in short what I’m tryin to say is that sometimes the best thing to do with a draft board is build up your needs and hope for the best… THERE IS NO NEED FOR QB CHANGE at this point…
I don’t believe the skins would seriously do this though… if so, its their own doom.
JJ Fe
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