Help is on the way - Compensatory Pick
by dr WNC on Mar 23, 2009 8:37 PM EDT
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NFL Annouces Compensatory picks. ProfootballTalk has the Compensatory Picks:
Tenn and Cinci-Gets 4 picks
New England get 3 picks and the highest at pick 97 (33rd of 3rd round)
Our Washington Redskins get an immense amount of help with 1 (ONE!) extra pick to add to the 4 regular picks.
Pick 243, in the 7th round! Redskins now have 13, 80, 142, 173 and 243
WOW! 5 picks, The Pats have a total of 4 in the first 2 rounds, which doesn't include the 3 extras awarded in rounds 3-7, plus the normals which bring the total to 12 picks!
A different team philosphy, which is working...maximize the draft picks!
but at least the Redskins can look forward to #13, and it seems to have a good history...The Om Field:NFL draft history of pick No. 13
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Some notable compensatory draft picks
2007- RB Ahmad Bradshaw, Giants (Round Seven, Pick 250)
2006- WR Marques Colston, Saints (Round Seven, Pick 252)
2005 – QB Derek Anderson, Ravens (Round Six, Pick 213)
2004 – RB Derrick Ward, Jets (Round Seven, Pick 235)
2003 – WR David Tyree, Giants (Round Six, Pick 211)
2002 – RB Chester Taylor, Ravens (Round Six, Pick 207)
2000 – QB Tom Brady, Patriots (Round Six, Pick 199)
by KevinE on Mar 23, 2009 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well...
hopefully we can turn #243 into a superstar de/olb/ot/k/kos/p/pr and then all our problems will be fixed. if not, hopefully just some quality depth somewhere. could vinny get 2 solid players late in the draft that will stay with the team longer than 3 years; 2 drafts in a row? holy shit….jury is still out…
Im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me.
by TheThurgodMarshl on Mar 24, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chris Horton...
Pick # 249. There’s still talent at the end of the draft… and the FO has been able to find some of it.
by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
....then again,
Chris Horton is really our only notable example of that, in recent years….
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2006...
5th round – Montgomery
6th round – Doughty and Golston
In 2007 – 6th round – Blades
Going as far back as 2002 – Cartwright in the 7th. There’s a history of finding players that can contribute in the late rounds. Of course, there’s also a history of busts.
by TexSkins on Mar 24, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With due respect to those guys,
they’re all essentially replacement-level players, while Horton is legitimately on a plain of his own. Take off your burgundy and gold glasses for just a second and look at what they’ve done in their time in the league (I note, incidentally, that those are only the guys to actually make the team):
Monty: 3 seasons, 52 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 fumbles recovered, 5 passes defensed
Golston: 3 seasons, 61 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 2 fumbles recovered, 4 passes defensed
Doughty: 3 seasons, 43 tackles, 0.5 sacks, 3 passes defensed
Blades: 2 seasons, 43 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 pass defensed
Combined: 11 seasons, 199 tackles, 7 sacks, 4 fumbles recovered, 13 passes defensed. That averages out to 18.1 tackles, .64 sacks, .36 fumbles recovered, and 1.18 passes defensed PER SEASON — also note NO TURNOVERS CREATED — not a single forced fumble or interception from ANY of them in 11 years combined in the league! 11 years!!
Rock — I love Rock, but in 7 years, he’s essentially been a career special teamer with 661 total rushing yards, 6 rushing TDs, and not a single catch in his entire career. Career special teams guys are the guys you’re SUPPOSED to find in the 7th round.
Now compare those guys to just 1 season of Chris Horton: 53 tackles, 1 sack, 1 fumble recovered, 5 passes defensed, and 3 interceptions. Horton had more tackles in a single season than ANY of those guys have in their ENTIRE CAREER, save Golston, to say NOTHING of the turnovers.
We’re starting these guys because we HAVE to. They’re the guys we have, for better or for worse, but it doesn’t mean any of them were some kind of great late-round find.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 24, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only argument I have here...
is that Doughty’s stats are inversely proportional to Horton’s. Which is to say, Horton was on the field instead of Doughty (which is a good thing.)
by TexSkins on Mar 25, 2009 3:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, check Doughty's stats during his first two seasons:
29 tackles, 0.5 sacks, 2 passes defensed.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His first 2 years...
he wasn’t a starter.
by TexSkins on Mar 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me say this before you respond...
Horton is better. I’m not even trying to argue that.
My only point is that late round picks can make contributions.
And again, Horton > Doughty.
by TexSkins on Mar 25, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not quite sure
what we’re arguing about anymore, or even if we are or not…
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had the power...
I’d lock it. Or lock us out of it. Something like that.
by TexSkins on Mar 26, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But isn't that the point of the late round picks
If the late round picks can be solid backup, stepping up when needed (note Doughty). Solid late round picking by the Washington Redskins, who is the guy responsible for these picks?
by dr WNC on Mar 25, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really depends
what you mean by “solid backup”, doesn’t it? If your criteria for a late round draft pick is “warm body”, then yeah, they’re solid late round picks. But those guys have all started a significant number of games (with the exception of Rock) — they’re not just rotating in or out, and they’ve started either because of injuries or because we just didn’t have anyone better — not because they’re particularly good.
Horton, as I noted, is another beast entirely.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Mar 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is my point plus
Not warm bodies, but players who are NFL caliber, spend the first 2 or 3 years playing special teams, learning, studying and becoming better…
When the opportunity arises they become a starter, see Doughty. He can continue to play, be succesful and the team can be succesful with him as a starter, but he is not an elite player. Solid backups!
On the offensive line Jansen and Heyer, Jansen was a starter and a very good tackle when he entered the league Heyer is and remains a solid backup player, he can do the job, he can perform and may at this point have reached a higher playing potential than Jansen but a drafted rookie can come in and take heyer’s spot, someone who is more an athelete. Heyer returns to being a Solid backup.
The team having trust in the Solid backup players, to eliminate the need to make “snap” decision which sometime work and sometimes does not work…See Taylor last year (yes! I agreed with the move at the time) having those draft picks and relying on the solid backup players would be great but…
For example, if something happens to Horton (saying does not make it happen) the team would be comfortable with Dougherty playing and would not go out to sign an overaged player which could possibly include draft picks. They should sign a young player who may be looking for the right spot, right style to succeed, See Ryan Clark
The Redskins are starting to understand this I believe
by dr WNC on Mar 26, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heyer
wasn’t a draft pick, though. He was an UFA. And he can’t runblock for shit.
I agreed with the Taylor trade too. In retrospect, not so good, but at the time it looked a great trade — and most talking heads agreed, as well.
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by DbacksSkins on Mar 26, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Predator48
could turn out to be our best pick since Sean Taylor. Besides all of the stats just laid out, he is intelligent and has great instincts. The only improvement he needs is to wrap up tackles a little better. His numbers would have doubled or tripled if his prey didn’t escape some of his miss-tackles in the backfield. Chris Horton was a diamond in the ruff.
by VA_Skin on Mar 24, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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