great post.

next installment of Long Distance Dedication coming up this weekend.

Now thats what i call fortitude. anyone disagreeing with DbacksSkins is a straight up mongoloid. Brass tax. Stats any everything, and hate to piggy back on your time looking at stats Dbacks, but eat that hibachi. Seriously come up with some spineless reason why you think it would be better for Cutler to come here….. i’ll just reply that your a homo, and i will never leave you alone until you quit or leave. so swallow it like the hooker you are. and ALL HAIL. Dbacks, you kick sooo much ass its not even funny.

about throwing stats around is that most people only use the stats that back up their arguments. I know this because I do it myself.
The NFC East is a tougher division to play in than the AFC West right now. But we also have a much more talented team as a whole than the Broncos. We flaunted a Pro-Bowl LT, RB, FB and TE. Their Brandon Marshall made the Pro-Bowl, but our Santana Moss had just as many TDs (6) and only slightly less yardage (mainly because Campbell targets him and his side of the field most of the time).
The Broncos were down to like their 5th or 6th RB which means Cutler had to throw to keep them in the game.
Denver’s overall defense ranked 29th which was on the opposite end of the spectrum from ours (4th). This means that Cutler played from behind alot and almost always had poor field position.
Cutler actually has 24 career fumbles and has lost 8.
Campbell has 20 career fumbles and has lost 9, not 1! (that was rushing stats you were looking at)
Cutler’s QB rating last year was only slightly higher than Campbell’s. But his career QB rating is 87.1 compared to Campbell’s 80.4 (Cutler has only played in 1 more game than Campbell).
Last year Jay Cutler threw for over 4500 yards & 25 TDs, and had 8 games throwing over 300 yards. That’s why Jason Campbell watched Cutler play in the Pro Bowl.

The bottom line is that Jay Cutler would definitely be an upgrade at the QB position, BUT the Redskins have proven in the past that they don’t necessarily need Pro-Bowl QBs to win championships and be dominant.

has a career QB rating of 87.1 compared to Campbell’s 80.4! How is the argument that Cutler is a better QB subjective?

pointed out that Cutler’s career QB rating is 87.1 to Campbell’s career QB rating of 80.4. 87.1 > 80.4.
 I’m not going to debate whether the career QB rating should be used to judge quarterbacks. Its generally accepted in the football world as a way to rate QBs. However, you are correct in that you have to look at each quarterback’s scenario.
Brandon Marshall made the Pro Bowl with nearly identical numbers to Santana Moss. So that is tit for tat. Jay Cutler put up 4500 yards and 25 TDs with an inferior team compared to the Washington Redskins. The Broncos had no running game and a terrible defense.
Would Campbell have put up those same numbers if he was the QB in Denver? No. He’s not the same style QB. He’s not a gunslinger with a quick release and great mechanics. He doesn’t always hit receivers in stride with controlled ball placement.
Did Campbell make improvements over last year? Yes. I’ve already outlined those improvements in a previous post. We don’t need Cutler to be a great team, but it sure would make us better. We would be set for the next decade at the QB position, and when Washington goes into the 4th quarter down 2 TDs, we would have a guy in Cutler who could put the team on his shoulders and bring us back to win. I watched it happen in several Denver games last year. I can’t think of a time last year that Campbell did that.
All of you out there hoping this discussion goes away might be in for a rude awakening Monday…

is OVER.

lol

I thought I was the only person at Hogs Haven who recommends anything!

Also…. I can’t believe this has now gotten over 70 comments.

what we all have to do is try our hardest to ignore those that have nothing better to do than to make fun of other people just so that their lives actually have some kind of meaning. Does anyone ever wake up in the morning and have that annoying mosquito flying around their ear that just won’t go away? Do you know how that feels Thurgood? What do you do when that happens? I just close my eyes, pull the covers over my head, try to forget about it, and eventually it will go away. I believe this what we all will have to do to be able to get around your immature and irrelevant comments. But before I will forever pass over your comments and choose to ignore your childish comments…know this…no one will ever take you serious…EVER. You do not sound intelligent, not do I think you ever will in whatever your do in your life. You are beneath me, and you always will be. I think that most intelligent people in here will agree with me. I just can’t follow your teenage comments anymore. So now that I have you forever behind me…

I think we can all put the whole Jay Cutler thing to bed. I simply put the question out there in my last fanpost, and got the response I was looking for. I support Campbell, I will cheer for him when he performs the way we hope to, and I will damn him to hell when he looks like shit, but I will ALWAYS be a Redskins fan. I wouldn’t be a fan if I didn’t think of ways we can return to our winning ways. Don’t we remember that night when we came back in Dallas with those precious few moments in the 4th quarter? Have we cheered that hard since then? That was our Super Bowl. I want that feeling again. Except I want it to be 1991 when it actually was the Super Bowl.

So sue me if I put scenarios out there that might actually make us better. So can we talk about something else?

but I will ALWAYS be a Redskins fan

Win or lose, hire overthehill high priced free agents, pay too much for a CB, throw away draft picks and blah, blah, blah.
Always will remain a fan

I can look objectively. But how about contextually? "Text, without context, is pretext." Or it’s a misquote of reality. It’s no good to look at the statement "Mine is SO much longer than yours!" without the contextual subject of "my commute." You can’t isolate stats so directly without understanding the context, especially in a team sport. You can’t even do that in baseball, and that’s more of a one-on-one sport.

At the top, you are using a team stat to evaluate player performance. You can’t compare divisional records of QBs – that assumes equal talent on both sides across the board, which is obviously not the case. That doesn’t seem very accurate to me.

What HAS to be considered is the team’s defenses. Campbell and Cutler have been the main starter for only two seasons for their franchises, 2007 and 2008. In those years, the Redskins ranked 6th and 11th in scoring defense, while the Broncos suffered through their worst two-year stretch in history at 30th and 28th. Just who has more pressure to produce and carry the team? Obviously, Cutler. Throw in that Denver had SEVEN RBs go down with injury, effectively cutting out the running game, and Cutler had to make up for huge deficiencies in the running game AND defense.

Quite simply, he couldn’t be as conservative as Campbell in those years. Cutler could not trust his defense and felt he had to score every possession. Thus, he had to sling the ball downfield and try to make plays. Brandon Marshall suffered the same fate, giving up fumbles when most receivers would have taken their gain and laid down. In a situation where Campbell would have held onto the ball and taken more sacks (as you showed), Cutler would instead be forced to scramble to create a play, sometimes resulting in a fumble or INT, sometimes in a long gain. Campbell could trust his defense, Cutler could not. Last year, Cutler had 55 20+ yd completions, 7 of 4+. Campbell had 34 and 3. Couple that with INTs and you see Cutler was taking more chances.

So that’s why he has more TOs, but he also set the Broncos record with over 4500 yards (500 more than Elway EVER had) and he accounted for almost twice as many TDs as Campbell (27 to 14). This despite the diabetes, which is NOT a problem if it is monitored.

A 17-20 record is not great, but then again….that’s the team record. Not that this is totally accurate, but this comparison is actually more fair. But if you must look at records, know that Cutler needed to score far more points to earn a win than the average QB, or Campbell. In fact, Cutler is 14-7 when the defense holds opponents to under 30. That’s darn good. Even with terrible defense support, <a href=" http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/9/787040/interesting-stats-on-cutle" target="new">he ranks up there in win %age with the best QBs in the game.

I am not stating the Redskins should trade for Cutler. I agree in the stages of their careers, it would be wrong and disloyal to give up on Campbell for Cutler. But if you are advancing that Campbell is a better QB or even on par with Cutler, you are sorely mistaken. Given even a decent defense, Cutler would assuredly lower his yards, TDs, and TOs, but increase in wins substantially. I’m eager to see what Cutler can do if McDaniels restores order to the D.

I really don’t think Campbell is better than Cutler, or Cutler is better than Campbell. While completely different QBs in style neither has shown the special ability to lead a team…So why trade.
Campbell has shown a special leadership to lead a college program to a perfect record, so there .
is hope.

Cutler’s interception ratio in college was similar to his NFL, I guess playing in the SEC was high stress too.

Denver will begin negotiations with other teams for a Jay Cutler trade.

Trading JC 4 JC = FAIL.

Thank little baby Jebus.