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Albert Haynesworth: Time for Everyone to Go on the Record

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As free agency names come and go, in retrospect, decisions always seem so much clearer. The Jason Taylor deal as we all know now was a total bust, and Vinny is taking quite the lashing for it. Over the course of the season (hopefully years), it'll become clear whether the Haynesworth signing was a bust or brilliance. If Albert sprains or tears or his knee, all the blogs will be loaded with comments of how terrible the front office is, yet if Haynesworth destroys the middle like the fans hope, any praise will be muted. So I figured it would be good for everyone to comment below and go on the record whether they would have pulled the trigger on the Albert signing. Here are the facts:

7-year, $100 million deal that could end up maxing out at $115 million based on his performance. Let's call it a 4-year, $48 million dollar deal with a built-in re-negotiation point in year 5.

$41 million guaranteed in the first 3 years, $32 million of that the first 13 months. $7 million salary cap hit this year.

Buccaneers, Giants, and Titans were all major bidders. Giants and Titans were rumored to be in the $80 million range while the Bucs were over $100 million as well. In fact, the word is that the Bucs were willing to go higher in total package than the Skins. Not sure we'll ever know that one for certain.

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I’m good with the signing

by Rekka on Mar 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

had to be done

the team’s championship window is now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Mar 17, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Terrible rationale

In the NFL, the window is always now.

What about this team says championship?

by artmonk4ever on Mar 17, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding me?

Look at the defense and the offensive line. Chris Samuels. Randy Thomas. London Fletcher. We’re not exactly a young team and I fully expect us to go through a rebuilding phase in a couple years when these guys are done. You said it yourself below, our team does not build through the draft. Doing that does give us a window and the window is now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Mar 17, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

we might have a 'playoff window'

but we aren’t looking at a ‘championship’ window.

by smutsboy1 on Mar 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Maybe we could make Haynesworth play right guard too! That would equate for the salary of an off-starting OL too. ha.

by KevinE on Mar 17, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And SLB, and perhaps WLB

and depth at half the positions on the team.

by smutsboy1 on Mar 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The idea these days is that getting into the playoffs is all you need to do.

Any team can get hot in the playoffs (Cardinals, Giants) so why not the Skins?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Mar 17, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 with an addition

Cardinals and Eagles, teams which the Redskins did handle last year. Teams which played to go to the Superbowl. A team which almost pulled out the superbowl win, except for an exceptional catch.

It is about getting to the playoffs, getting hot and hitting a 3 or 4 game win streak!

by dr WNC on Mar 17, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008 Arizona Cardinals = 2007 Colorado Rockies

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The free agency signings?

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did Cardinal and Eagles bring?

What did the 2007 Super bowl champs say, in the 4th week of that season where a surprising win over the Redskins saved the coaches and quarterback’s job.

The Redskins maintained continuity on both offense and defense, while improving both the two weakest areas of an 8-8 team with FA additions to the Defensive line and Offensive line.
8-8 improved…to what “IF”?

by dr WNC on Mar 18, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was

sarcasm. We always win the offseason championship.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You really believe that?

Ted Leonsis would like to have a word with you….

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes and no..

Do I think that, when all is said and done that this will go down as having been a good signing that helps the team? Yes. Absolutely. AH is a game changer and I’m happy to have him.

That said, no I wouldn’t have pulled the trigger on this deal were I the one holding the strings. I would’ve spread that money around. Filling more holes with young talent to strengthen the base of the team and increasing our overall effectiveness on both offense and defense, as opposed to just blowing up at a single, albeit very important, position.

Slug

by Slug on Mar 17, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like it

and I promise not to like it even if it turns out to be a good deal for the Redskins.

Here’s why: this is simply not the way to build a successful franchise over the long-term. Long-term success HAS to come through the draft and signing Haynesworth to such a large contract, while it certainly makes our defense immedaitely much better, eats up a large portion of the salary cap that could have otherwise been spent on signing, developing, and retaining younger players.

by artmonk4ever on Mar 17, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This says it all.

Is Haynesworth worth $50M over 4 years? Probably.
If nobody rolls on his knee again will he make our defense much better? Yes.

However, is Haynesworth the type of move that will help build a good foundation for sustained success? Absolutely not.

Here’s a simple test: given the Skins current roster, age & salary situation, is this a move the Colts, Pats or Steelers would have made?

We all know the answer to this.

by smutsboy1 on Mar 17, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love he's on our team, but am against it

If our offense ranked top 10 last year, then I would be OK with this. As many people have said, we have too many holes. We are essentially paying him upfront for 4 successive pro-bowl years…we know that’s not gonna happen. He’s had small doses of injury bugs his whole career. How is that going to improve with age? I think other teams were correct in assessing him as an $80million dollar guy. It’s so rare to see that much guaranteed money upfront work out in long-term years. The uncapped year is a safety net for us, but it’s not enough. DRAFT!

by KevinE on Mar 17, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For it

It is a better move than the past moves where the over-paid player cannot dominate the game like AH can. If next year is uncapped, then it is a fantastic move.

I would also like to go on the record to say that the people pointing to the Pats and Colts as examples of how to build through the draft are off-base. All they did was draft Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, I do not call that building through the draft. Think about how good the Skins would be with Manning running the show? It is a QB league now more than ever. The Pats are a mix of FAs and picks, like the Skins but with Brady running the show in a weak division. The Skins are in a tough division, they would be a strong 10 win team every year in any other NFC division…something to think about. We do need to stop giving away draft pick though.

by liger99 on Mar 17, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Defense

Brady and Manning don’t play defense though. Colts and Pats have fantastic D’s that they built through the draft…and you can see that when you go through their draft pick history (Freeney, Bob Sanders, etc).

by KevinE on Mar 17, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same...

Their D would be the same as the Skins that included Sean Taylor (yes, a draft pick but in the mix of FAs and picks…not all picks). The diff here is that Brady and Manning control the clock and the game play…they do not put their D in tough spots and allow them to stay fresh, This is unlike the Skins who are on the field too much and get worn down in by the forth quarter…and have to defend a short field all the time. We lost a lot of second half leads due to the offense/QB putting a good D in a bad position or going 3-and-out three or four times. We have had a top flight D the last 5-10 years using FAs, so I’m not buying the draft only part of it. Give us ST back and we are a killer D. Give the Skins Manning and we are SB contenders.

by liger99 on Mar 17, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can respect that...

But what about special teams? I believe Suisham finished 32nd in accuracy and it’s pretty comical that not one team wanted him at the bare minimum salary (or just above). As long as the Skins are inside the 25 for all game-winning field goals…super bowl! sigh

by KevinE on Mar 17, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady and Manning are superstars, but

the offensive lines are where the game is won and lost in terms of clock management, ball control, etc. Look over the Colts’ and Pats’ rosters — lots of draft picks along the line and lots of Pro-Bowlers.

by artmonk4ever on Mar 18, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Agency

Skins should buy them all up when they’re free agents at 35 years old.

by KevinE on Mar 18, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pro-Bowlers?

Making the Pro-bowl does not mean anything. Leonard Davis was a total bust for the Cards, then makes the Pro-bowl after moving to Dallas….it is sometimes a factor of the team. Manning and Brady throw the ball away and don’t take sacks (like Jc does), this makes their line look better than it really is. My claim here is that if you take brady and manning away from the pats and colts, then we are not looking a dominating team that is pointed to as built through the draft…..they would look like any other team out there, including the skins.

by liger99 on Mar 18, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to disagree

While there’s no denying that HOF QBs are the biggest factor, theyt’re but one part of the difference between the Skins roster and the Pats, Colts & Steelers.

Depth, youth, value, skill. Take way Brady/Manning and we still looking nothing like those teams.

Not in performance, not in the way we’re built.

by smutsboy1 on Mar 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just saw Suisham's comments in WT

He blames Plac for his holding, not Brooks like I had thought and posted. At least I noticed that his timing was messd up. He was saying the things, so hopefully he is better this year.

by liger99 on Mar 18, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

when oh when

will we have a decent kicker again?

why do we always try to get these 25 year old journeymen?

by smutsboy1 on Mar 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Draft

Skins could always draft one in the 1st round.

by KevinE on Mar 18, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crappy kicker

playing the blame game.

I’ve got an idea! Let’s re-sign him!!

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better Idea

Let the offense score TDs, to only need him to kick +1 chip shots.

by dr WNC on Mar 18, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best possible outcome

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 18, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jail?!?!

huge mistake if a another a$$-hole of a football player has a chance to go to jail! why cant these losers just stay out of trouble! makes me sick these guys cant stay out of trouble!!!

by joepags on Mar 18, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not going to jail....

It is EXTREMELY unlikely he is going to jail or will face discipline from the NFL. All this is for a speeding ticket for careless/wreckless driving. Yea, he was on probation, but I most likely see a fine and losing a license. The max penalty does carry some cage time, but we know the max charges practically never apply. His lawyer will negotiate in taking classes, etc…

by KevinE on Mar 19, 2009 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not many $100 million dollar guys I know of...

log jail time for this.

I’m going to check the “for” box.

Young, dominant, did not cost a single draft pick (pleasenotamperingpleasenotampering), position of need, adds serious polish to an already solid defense, frees up early round pick(s) for use on offensive line….our team is better with him on it.

by Ken Meringolo on Mar 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm going on the record

saying that he’s overpaid, and probably won’t perform up to the level he did at Tennessee. At the same time, I think he’ll easily be our best DL, and I think he’ll be able to adapt to our run-first defense. We could have the #1 or #2 rushing D in the league this year.

All in all, I think it’ll be a good signing.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which one is it?
he probably won’t perform up to the level he did at Tennessee
All in all, I think it’ll be a good signing.

We paid him the $$ based on the level he performed at TN…so if he doesn’t play at that level, then it is bad. Greg Blache already said he is going to change his D based on Albert’s skills…which means he’s going to let Albert be Albert and push the O-line backwards…so that is good news to hear. Making a star player do something different than what is proven doesn’t work (#55).

by KevinE on Mar 19, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

#55

and #56

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 19, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

He can still be a “good signing”, in my mind, despite us overpaying. I think he’ll play at a Pro Bowl level.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 19, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great signing!

Before free agency officially began, I (as GM) would have hedged my bets on signing multiple players. But since Haynesworth was signed, we have still been able to add Hall, Dockery, Johnson, Doughty, Fincher, Suisham, Wynn, and still have room for more! The MVP (Most Valuable Person) in the Washington Redskins’ organization is their contract negotiator(s) / salary cap guru!!

by VA_Skin on Mar 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

know your shit.

his name is Eric Shaffer. if you were any good at personel, you’d be in personel. your not, so good for you what you would’ve done. glad you approve. go ahead and cut the checks….oh wait, youre just some fan like most everyone else arent you? now break yo-self.

Im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me.

by TheThurgodMarshl on Mar 20, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bro

all this hatin’ is cracking me up, but it really is too much. Take it easy a little.

Opinions are like assholes — everyone has ‘em, they’re all different, and they all stink somehow.

We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan

by DbacksSkins on Mar 20, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

who Eric Shaffer is, you antagonistic jack-ass!

Check yo-self before you ban yo-self.

by VA_Skin on Mar 21, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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