The Redskins Will Follow JC To the Promised Land
by Ken Meringolo on Mar 16, 2009 11:31 AM EDT
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Jay Cutler is a hell of a talent at quarterback. Jesus Christ was a heck of a signal caller in his time as well. But on Sundays this year, the Redskins will be--and should be--dancing with the JC we brought to the prom. Jason Campbell is still the guy.
With Cutler supposedly on the block, there is going to be some noise from folks thinking we need to take the opportunity to make a change at QB. A couple things there:
a) Even if Cutler was an upgrade, is trading for a malcontent conducive to the team-building we have been attempting in Zorn's tenure thus far? Soooooo...we're going to let players who want to be here (Evans) leave, and we are going to find guys who are desperate to leave their teams and actively acquire them? That's going to have to straight up change if this thing is ever going to get turned around.
b) What gives you the confidence that we won't get run over in this trade? I seem to recall a superfluous 2nd round pick we gave Denver in the Bailey/Portis trade. The Redskins are to trading what Chris Brown is to nonviolent conflict resolution.
c) Cutler wants out because his feelings are hurt. Hasn't Zorn proven he is the kind of coach that does not necessarily make your feelings his top priority? So do you really want to bring in a guy, pay him millions (which we would do for sure), and then let Zorn mind-f him the next couple years? Why don't we just hire Phil Jackson as QB coach and let him really get inside Cutler's head and do some serious damage?
d) Here comes the dead horse...QB IS NOT OUR PROBLEM. Unless Cutler can rush the passer, pass block for more than 1.4 seconds, cover a tight end from the outside linebacker spot, or kick field goals and punts, I think we can move him down the ol' priority list.
But that is not going to stop the buzz. So let's take a vote and hear the reasons you think this is either a good idea or a bad one.
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Cutler
I would love to see Cutler as a Redskin, but not now and not for what we’d have to give up. We need continuity for success, and we have one full year under our belt with our current offense. Let’s see how this goes with Devin and Malcolm poised to step up. If it doesn’t work this year, then we can talk about this.
Bringing in Cutler to a new system to me guarantees us another 8-8 year, with 2 exciting games where Cutler puts up 400+ yards. The kid has mad skills, I like him, this just couldn’t be worse timing and losing our only draft pick of day one makes no sense.
by KevinE on Mar 16, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I agree 100%. I don’t understand how people can beat down on Snydrato for trying to build a super bowl team every year w/ money, but whenever a “big name” player goes on the market, or is even SPECULATED about leaving the team they’re with, people think THAT signing is what needs to happen. Give JC some time to develop people!
by Rekka on Mar 16, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time to tell jc good bye
How much more time does he need here? I and many other die hard skins fans are tried of hearing give the kid time…Sure he has been in 3 different offenses since he became a pro,(Tired of hearing that one to) That still doesn’t explain why he still can’t read a defense.. He has no pocket presence what so ever.. So instead of stepping up in the pocket he gets blindsided and drops the damn ball.. He stares down his receivers.. lets not forget the man played a WCO in college so so now your telling me he forgot it ? You take a three step drop and throw the ball to where the receiver should be… Even Zorn said he had to dumb it down for him… And lets not forget the only reason why we went to playoffs the year before last was because he got hurt and Collins took over.. And you still want to say yea he’s that man that will get us number 4?
by confederate_gent on Mar 17, 2009 3:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any sources for your allegations?
1. Zorn saying he had to “dumb it down.” When did he say this?
2. “…he still can’t read a defense.” According to whom.?
Or are these just your opinions?
by artmonk4ever on Mar 17, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some sources
1. putting Jason in a shot gun http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/06/AR2008090602574.html?sub=AR
2.try looking up I’m the worst coach ever speech by Zorn he clearly says the off maybe to hard…
as to he can’t read a def
look at his picks it was because he didn’t know where the safeties were… that’s how you read a def you look to see where the safeties are and you can tell how they are going to cover.. need proof? go watch him he holds onto the ball for to long… which is proof he can’t read them…
by confederate_gent on Mar 17, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry dude
1. nowhere in this article did i see anything about him saying he had to “dumb it down” for JC.
2. If you’re trying to stretch to say that he needs to dumb it down because the offense is too hard, then I’ll go right along with you by saying he meant that he probably meant he needed to trim the playbook down some :)
by Rekka on Mar 17, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a Lil confused about the Casey commit
Casey isn’t calling plays… he is calling out blocking schemes to the line.. that’s what a center does is tell the line how to block and who to pick up.. Campbell calls the rest…
by confederate_gent on Mar 18, 2009 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right..
True…but most QB’s run everything. Look at how the Mannings, Brady, Favre etc point out the blitzers and call audibles. Campbell does not call anything. Have you ever seen him stand up and point? All he does is walk up behind center, put his head down, and snap. He rarely if EVER calls audibles. rather frustrating.
by KevinE on Mar 18, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok now i see what your saying
now i see what your saying.. that is just proof he can’t read them…
by confederate_gent on Mar 19, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so there really aren't any sources?
Read the Zorn article you linked and a write-up on the “I feel like the worst coach” press conference. In neitehr does Zorn say anything about dumbing down the offense for Campbell.
Isn’t holding the ball too long the knock on Kurt Warner?
by artmonk4ever on Mar 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he says it's to hard then what is he saying?
i mean the whole year we heard Zorn saying “i would like to see Jason see his open receivers faster” or that “i would like more of the offense in place” and every week they would ask him do you think it’s to hard for him? and he would say “he is still learning it but we have to find a way into the end zone”.. but after the cinncy lose he came out and said it may be to hard… so what does that tell you? that he is going to strip it down.. IE dumbing it down… also to put a WCO in shot gun all the time is also dumbing it down you are telling your QB that you can’t make the 3 step drop so we will start you out in that drop…
as to wanner he is a gunslinger QB or a pocket QB some might call him.. so he can stand to hold onto the ball.. where Jason is in a WCO where you can’t hold onto the ball it’s three steps then throw.. see the difference here?
by confederate_gent on Mar 18, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my two favorite quotes from the article you linked above
to prove your point, which was, I believe, that he can’t read a defense and has no pocket presence.
1. Santana Moss: “Everybody in here [the locker room] has confidence in JC and the things he can do every time he goes out there. But we’re all learning this new offense together, not just JC, so we’ve all got to help each other, and the coaches, too. If there’s something that JC likes to do, and he’s good at doing, then it makes sense to do it.”
2. Pro Bowl passer Matt Hasselbeck was “wild” in his first season in Seattle with Zorn as quarterbacks coach, Zorn said, even though Hasselbeck had spent four years as a backup in the same system in Green Bay. Zorn is confident Campbell possesses the talent to be effective in the offense, and many of Campbell’s teammates are as well.
by artmonk4ever on Mar 19, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cutler just asked to be traded...
The Broncos SBnation blog has quotes from both sides…Cutler and McDaniels remind me of 6th grade girls…
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/3/16/798798/jay-cutler-asks-for-trade
by KevinE on Mar 16, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
real
Jason has shown glimpses of greatness in his short career… the guy will be a great Coordinator one day since he has worked under 1,000,000,001 offensive systems since his start in college!! The guy must be a encyclopedia of plays… I’m not the smartest guy in the world, but I’m pretty sure I would F up a few times by confusing plays… Kudos to you Jason for holding it together and being a good NFL quarterback- U’ve definitely earned a spot on my Fantasy Football league next year!! Can’t wait to see what you can do with 2-straight years of the same offense c. under your belt!
I agree- lets see what Campbell can do… it may surprise us!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Mar 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...Promise land or bust
Cutler, not at this time for it is the Promise land (playoffs) or bust for JC this year. For all the “Snydrato” bashing they have handled JC well, Ideally he would have a new contract but he has not shown his full capability or leadership to take a team to the promise land. Some of the issues have been the constantly changing offensive play book, but then that is part of the job. JC leads this year and he remains a long term Redskin, anything else he may be considered a bust and allowed to go elsewhere…
As Casey Rabach stated today, via TORB
Rabach: “I think we put ourselves in a good position to start the season. Barring injury and, y’know… there’s a lot that can happen during the season, but I like the position that we’re in right now. On paper we look real good, but we’ll know when the season starts.”
by dr WNC on Mar 16, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's plainly unfair to suggest that what we've seen from Campbell is all he's capable of
given the number of systems/coordinators he has played in/for since college.
In fact, I think that his ability to be successful despite being hamstrung by having to learn a new system almost every year is evidence that he should be given an extension and soon!
by artmonk4ever on Mar 16, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but a lot more things are unfair, what is not unfair is a requirement to excel at your job in order to get paid
Campbell has shown the ability to be a NFL level starting quarterback and has show the skills to be succesful. What is required is a leadership quality which almost every Superbowl winning quarter back has demonstrated. Does he have that? 2009 will define his leadership and ability to lead the team to the Promise land…
He leads the team this year, then he should be paid to lead the team for many years. No Promise land…then it depends on the circumstances…and performance.
BUT NOTE:
No discussion of a trade for Cutler, no drafting another rookie QB, no Colt save-us, Todd…well that would be dumb. Full confidence in Campbell to get the job done, it’s his to get the job done, it’s his to lead…the only question then is WILL HE LEAD the Redskins to the Promise land and beyond?
by dr WNC on Mar 16, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You might be right, but
by waiting this long, Snydrato has failed to take advantage of the discount available in a long-term deal before the season begins. Worst case scenario under that route? Campbell becomes a well-compensated back-up (which I am pretty sure we, and most teams, already have) with lots of starting experience. Best case? He’s a Pro Bowl caliber starter at a cut rate. As it stands now, he’ll potentially (I know, Sugar, the uncapped year, blah blah blah) hit the open market afer having what most of us expect to be his best season as a starter.
by artmonk4ever on Mar 16, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Key either way
1. He (JC) as we all hope becomes a Pro Bowl caliber player this year, CBA or not Redskins Franchise him or he’s a restricted free agent and pay him well, Snyder has no issue paying “younger” (Snyder has learned this you know) players lot of money, see Haynesworth.
2. He (JC) is a bust, does not progress and is allowed to leave or is resigned at a Vet minimum to be a back-up
On the business side of the sport this is the best decision for Snydrato, let him play out his contract and pay him or not! The key is that Snydrato has never had an issue with the pay him.
by dr WNC on Mar 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, thank you.
I want to win, but not if it means filling the team with douches like Cutler; these over-privileged, tantrum-throwing children who have been told how great they are their whole lives and who get sulky when things don’t go their way. I’d rather lose with men who have work ethic and dignity, than win with babies and divas.
Give Campbell proper protection, and I think he’ll open a lot of folks’ eyes.
Slug
by Slug on Mar 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the year that we find out what JC has
His third year as a starter is this year. This is typically the year QBs take a big step forward. If something does not finally click then we need to look elsewhere. I’d love to see him release the ball prior to the receiver making his break and the 38 sacks he took are not all on the poor line play. He did stop the fumbling and his release did get slightly quicker/shorter last year. He also made a few plays with his feet. I’m looking for a big step forward this year. Cutler was sacked only 12 times for comparison only (and 23 TDs). Neither JC or Cutler are a good fit for the WCO. If JC does not come around then I’d like to see Colt and an FA QB battle it out in pre-season 2010 for the starting role.
by liger99 on Mar 16, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
but it is generally hard to run a W Coast style offense on Defenses of NFL caliber. Most of the time, D’s are too quick and studious at this level to give you the true advantage of the Pacific – Coryell offense. You have to have several important factors gel in order to produce consistently with it (one being a Really good D to make take aways happen with the extra time left on the clock). I think at this level, most games will be won with consistent clock management, great D, and productive players that use their heads rather than their mouths.
I think the key goal of the team should be consistency (something this team is just starting to get)… that itself should be key to winning more games.
I agree though, if Campbell somehow falters to the point where we have to close our eyes in disbelief- Brennan (if coaches feel he is ready) should be given a shot to compete for the role… although, he has yet to prove anything from a team’s standpoint.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Mar 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not
sold on Campbell. But then again, I would overhaul most of the skill positions on the skins offense…retool and start over. Portis, out (ego), Santana out (size and unwillingness to cross the middle with the ball in hand). ARE can stay for gadget plays (but we need a new PR). The young guns will get their shots on top. Captain Chaos is of course, untouchable I admit. Sellars as well. JC would screw up two games into the first three this season and I would ride Colt til the season’s end and re-eval. Call me crazy, but not much else is working.
by JustinU804 on Mar 16, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I gotta disagree
Portis (mmh, I’ll let it slide because he produces. but his mouth has put me on alert a couple of times), santana (umm…. no. say what you want about his size, but you can’t deny that when the ball gets into his hands he makes things happen.) i agree about the new guys, CC, and Sellars. I can’t hop on the Colt bandwagon until I see what JC does when he doesn’t have to go through another divorce from his coach after 1 season.
by Rekka on Mar 16, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
justin smokes slugs crack.
these mongoloidic comments are exactly why you two are not working in nfl player personnel.
in other words your brains read… “File not found. System Corrupt.”
Im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me.
by TheThurgodMarshl on Mar 16, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
whoops...
please omit slugs name from any slandering made in the aforementioned statement. I was mistaken in what was said and am a jackass for it.
Im not trapped in here with you, youre trapped in here with me.
by TheThurgodMarshl on Mar 16, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time to switch to decaf?
’s all good. ;)
Slug
by Slug on Mar 16, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell
This is Jason’s make or break season!
by dieseldee37 on Mar 17, 2009 1:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
100% correct
Hopefully JC starts strong so that I don’t have to spend 10 hours a week blogging with whether we should start Colt or not.
Welcome to HH dieseldee37
by KevinE on Mar 17, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you spend any time blogging about Colt Brennan
this site will suck.
by artmonk4ever on Mar 17, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JC a bust? What about the other QBs from 2005
Alex Smith, picked number 1
Aaron Rodgers picked just before Campbell.
Campbell was drafted in 2005, he does not have a contract after this year.
The Front office is giving him the chance, if he fails he’s no longer a Redskins
Sounds like a good front office decision.
by dr WNC on Mar 17, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
SO,...
just out of curiosity, would any of you guys actually draft Jason Campbell over Jay Cutler in fantasy football? (rhetorical)
In 2008, with an inferior team (no running backs and a bottom-5 ranked overall defense), Pro Bowler Jay Cutler threw for over 4500 yards and 25 TDs.
Our guy (with a Pro-Bowl LT, RB, FB & TE)? 3245 yds., 13 TDs;
After this season, THERE WILL BE NO EXCUSES.
by VA_Skin on Mar 17, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good thing too...
Cause it’s a contract year! Which in the past has led me to speculate that JC will tell us all to go f ourselves since the Skins didn’t offer him a big extension yet. But I think I actually believe now that if he plays well in his second year under Zorn, we will extend him and he will sign.
by Ken Meringolo on Mar 18, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantasy football point is a tough one....
You are not choosing to draft Jay Cutler over Jason Campbell. Cutler is a top-tier fantasy player. You are choosing between Cutler, Warner, even Brees and Brady for that kind of production (give me Brees or give me death in this scenario). Jason Campbell is a later draft pick. If you went RB, RB, WR in the first few rounds, Jason Campbell would be there in the 4th, maybe even 5th or 6th rounds and would be a pretty good pickup there.
And you could even draft Jay Cutler early, pick up a RB or two and still get Campbell late as a top-tier fantasy back-up.
Oh Jebus…the fantasy football season is so far away. I’ll never make it.
by Ken Meringolo on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yep...
I’m not saying anything- but I had JC on my bench for the last two seasons on my FF team. I had Brady two years ago and Brees this last season… everytime I put Campbell in on down weeks for those guys he went 300+ and a couple of TDs… I eventually traded him this last year while he was hot for a good WR/KR (forget who it was- I think Steve Breaston)- but I digress…. he is definitely a good late draft pick-up, although- if you are in a knowledgable league- he may be gone by then if the QB pool is low and/or somebody has that gut-feeling to take a chance on him!!
One thing is for sure though… I would rather have Jason over Brett Favre in FF anyday (that guy was all over the board; 27pts one week… 9 the next two GO FIGURE)… I guess my point is that FF numbers don’t really tell the story on how valuable a guy is to a team on the field and in the locker room.. .a lot more intangibles to come into play!! Jason seems to be a real class act and good football player- I’m sure he wouldn’t go cryin’ to the media if the owners were testing the waters with him- its part of the business that is NFL!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Mar 18, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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