Combine & the Wonderlic
The Combine officially kicks off tomorrow and what better way to prepare then giving everyone the same Wonderlic test that the athletes have to take?
The Wonderlic Personnel Test-Revised (WPT-R) is used not just by the NFL, but lots of employers to help measure a candidate’s ability to:
- Learn a specific job.
- Solve problems.
- Understand instructions.
- Apply knowledge to new situations.
- Benefit from specific job training.
- Be satisfied with a particular job.
Higher scoring applicants are supposed to learn more rapidly, master more complex material, and exercise better judgment while lower scoring applicants tend to require more time, detailed task instruction, and less challenging job routines.
25 is the average score for quarterbacks and offensive linemen. Other positions average about a 20. A generic breakdown of the scoring looks like this:
50 = highest possible score, superior intelligence
30 = Very bright, you're shouldn't be living at home
20 = average intelligence (similar to IQ of 100)
15 = Equivalent to unskilled worker
10 and Below = Mental retardation
Looking back at the test, the questions are not difficult; however; there is the added pressure of the clock. The athletes have 12 minutes to answer 50 questions, and since this test here is scaled down for 10 questions, I rounded off the exam for 2 minutes and 20 seconds.
To begin the test and gauge your score against other athletes' Wonderlic scores...
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NFL Notable High Scores:
Drew Henson 42
Alex Smith 40
Eli Manning 39
Brian Griese 39
Tony Romo 37
Drew Bledsoe 36
Matt Leinart 35
Kellen Clemens 35
Tom Brady 33
Steve Young 33
John Beck 30
Philip Rivers 30
Troy Aikman 29
Brady Quinn 29
Drew Brees 28
Peyton Manning 28
Ryan Leaf 27
Ben Roethlisberger 25
Brett Favre 22
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19
Derek Anderson 19
Vince Young 16*
Dan Marino 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Donovan McNabb 14
David Garrard 14
Kordell Stewart 13
Marcus Vick 11
Jeff George 10
Chris Leak 8**
* VYoung apparently scored a 6 on his first test, and he took the test a second time scoring a 16.
** Leak apparently decided to only answer 12 of 50 questions. Got 8 out of 12 right, but alas, 8 is his score.
I would love to know how some of our more recent picks did, specifically Colt, Fred Davis M Kelly, and Devin Thomas. I'll keep digging.
In 1999, the Redskins were one of four teams that gave players a verbal test called the Wachs Test. The advantage of a verbal test is it won't penalize someone with reading and writing difficulties, such as dyslexia. Frank Gore is actually dyslexic and scored a 6 on his Wonderlic. The extra test is quite intriguing. That year the Skins drafted Champ Bailey and Jon Jansen.
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Heath Shuler scored a 16 back in 1994. Sweet, he’s in charge of our stimulus plan on Cap Hill now.
by KevinE on Feb 17, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CONGRESS=TEH SMART
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 17, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC,
Jason Campbell got a 14, right?
And Vince Young got an embarrassing 6, before retaking it….
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 17, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JC
Auburn QB Jason Campbell was not far behind with a 14-point increase, which doubled his score from the spring. With Campbell, scouts say it is important to remember that he grew up in a Mississippi school system that is not known for being exceptional.
http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW/NFLDraft/Draft+Insider/2005/Wonderlic.htm
So a 14 point jump from his Junior year to Senior year. Yea, the Auburn education is that good! Haha.
A more likely reason for a marked improvement in Wonderlic results, scouts believe, is that an agent has gotten ahold of one of the 18 versions of the test and has helped his client prepare for the exam.
by KevinE on Feb 17, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell
did pretty well at Auburn though, I think. Finished his degree and everything.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 18, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scores
I should add that these scores are not suppose to be released to the public, but usually somehow get leaked. Jamarcus Russel’s score would be intriguing to see. Over/under 12?
http://thewizardofodds.blogspot.com/2007/02/site-says-leak-scored-8-on-wonderlic.html
by KevinE on Feb 17, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Over,
but not by much.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 17, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm smarter then Romo
I can rest easy.
by ReggieBullits on Feb 18, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
C'mon, man.
He went to Eastern Illinois. That’s like saying you’re smarter than a retarded clam.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 18, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
don't you mean smarter THAN Romo?
by artmonk4ever on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't going to say it...
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 18, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Glad someone caught it
Ha, just kidding. It was pretty early on the west coast. Just sayin..
by ReggieBullits on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE
Sorry all, I just realized the test didn’t work in Internet Explorer. That’s fixed now.
by KevinE on Feb 18, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
what does it measure?
Just took this sample test. Pretty weird, I thought, especially insofar as teams use it to help predict what kind of a QB someone will be in the NFL. I understand the time pressure aspect of it, but these kinds of questions don’t necessarily have anything to do with playing QB. Obviously there is a certain amount of intelligence required in memorizing a playbook, audibling, etc. But my sense of it is that the best QBs (and athletes, in general) don’t think before they move on the field, they just simply do what they do instinctually. I might actually be partial to someone who scores poorly. This test seems to measure what kind of grade school/high school these players went to. Incidentally, does anyone know Michael Vick’s score?
by artmonk4ever on Feb 18, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like you didn't score so good.
Michael Vick scored a 20.
by KevinE on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh...
beat me.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Wonderlic and race...
NFL Notable High Scores:
Drew Henson 42
Alex Smith 40
Eli Manning 39
Brian Griese 39
Tony Romo 37
Drew Bledsoe 36
Matt Leinart 35
Kellen Clemens 35
Tom Brady 33
Steve Young 33
John Beck 30
Philip Rivers 30
Troy Aikman 29
Brady Quinn 29
Drew Brees 28
Peyton Manning 28
Ryan Leaf 27
Ben Roethlisberger 25
Brett Favre 22
Notable Low Scores:
Tarvaris Jackson 19
Derek Anderson 19
Vince Young 16*
Dan Marino 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Donovan McNabb 14
David Garrard 14
Kordell Stewart 13
Marcus Vick 11
Jeff George 10
Chris Leak 8**
I am NOT normally someone who is prone to bringing up racial disparities at the drop of a hat, but in reading this list, I couldn’t help but notice something odd — under the “Notable High Scores” heading, every single listed player is white. Under “Notable Low Scores”, of eleven players listed, Anderson, Marino, Bradshaw and George are all white, and the other seven players are black. That’s a pretty disproportionate discrepancy.
I’m honestly unsure how to interpret this — it very well could be simply caused by a small sample size of 30 players — but with 19 listed as “notably high”, you would expect at least ONE notable black QB. It could be due to the fact that NFL QBs are predominantly white, which is certainly true, but that doesn’t really change the question of proportion.
I’m guessing it has to do with the same well-documented (but unexplained) racial disparity noted in SAT scores and other standardized tests. Naturally, this isn’t even CLOSE to being a scientifically-sound survey, nor is it double-blind, but at the very least, it’s intriguing, and worth mentioning.
On another note, I seem to recall reading somewhere that offensive linemen score the best, on average — even better than QBs. Makes sense, as blocking is usually the most complex part of any play, and I’m guessing that Wonderlic scores are weighted more heavily when judging OL because of a relative dearth of otherwise-distinguishable individual statistics.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 18, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The asterisk on the list you
provided above denote a player who has taken the test twice. I forget what Vince Young’s initial score was, but I think it was around an 8. I forget what two asterisks meant. Probably not good.
JC’s first score was quite low as well. His second was very much improved. The article I read mentioned that schools down in Mississippi aren’t all that great. I can only assume the article was hitting on the theory that the issue is tied with the racial disparity noted in SAT scores etc…
I took a sample wonderlic for fun a bit ago. The questions were geared towards those with more education. I have some issue saying that the discrepancy is education based, since by definition almost every NFL player has a college degree.
Regardless, it’s a test under time restrictions. Those tests are great at measuring how good someone is at taking a test, but not so good at actually measuring anything else (see: every standardized test in the world. Especially the SATs and the bar exam).
Interesting stuff.
TTB!
by Ach on Feb 18, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The list
was quoted from this very story. To quote ebag’s explanations:
* VYoung apparently scored a 6 on his first test, and he took the test a second time scoring a 16.
** Leak apparently decided to only answer 12 of 50 questions. Got 8 out of 12 right, but alas, 8 is his score.
I considered adding Soupy to the list, but I didn’t want to mess with the original data.
I have some issue saying that the discrepancy is education based, since by definition almost every NFL player has a college degree.
Far from it. Running a quick search using The Google revealed this:
Currently, 46 percent of NFL players have a college degree, he said.
As of 2004. I can only imagine that this number is even lower now, since more and more underclassmen declare for the draft each year.
I don’t have any problem with a test that’s based on edjumication. I do have a problem with a test that, anecdotally, appears to blatantly favor one race over another — but, as I said, I don’t know how to attribute this.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
I got a 40. I dislike being less smart than Drew Henson.
We are truly in the presense of greatness here…-- unnamedDBacksfan
by DbacksSkins on Feb 19, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I WAS...
Drunk and I scored a 30
Just because the monkey's off your back doesn't mean the circus left town - G. Carlin
by ty'76 on Feb 20, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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