More Frustrating Personnel Decisions from Redskins Park
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST
in Redskins Analysis
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Rick Maese just reported via twitter a bunch of updates that frustrate me to all hell. Specifically, Quinton Ganther will start as RB. Zorn said the RB by committee is wrong, and Rock Cartwright, who was disappointed with the news, will return to kick returner.
This is all baffling. Why not keep Devin Thomas back there on kicks? He's crushing it right now. In a true WCO, a RB by committee is not needed, but I still think Rock brings an element that Ganther does not. Ugh.
- Zorn said it was his decision to cut Suisham and was in no hurry to cut him.
- Deangelo Hall's knee is "at 80%."
- Anthony Alridge added to practice squad, Will Robinson OL added to active roster.
Stay tuned...
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only good thing from that
is that Alridge is back in some capacity. Funny..
I was JUST talking about him in another post.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
It's a comedy!
We need a leader!
Running back by committe not working, too hard for the coaches maybe which is not working
Rock returning kick-offs? While he does a good job, he will never break one, Devin is on the verge of making something happen…Why the change? A lack of coaching leadership.
Danger Will Robinson! that will help
Cut WR sign a WR
Add a RB to the Practice squad
Keystone Kops come to mind, when you think of Redskin park and the actions
Damn, you beat me to the Lost in Space quote
I agree. Running back by committee is RIGHT. It is working. That’s just our team though, “if it ain’t broke, fuck with it until it is.”
Devin is exciting as a kick returner. Sure, Rock will get you to the 25 every time, but he just doesn’t have that spark that Devin does. Rock does have a spark coming out of the backfield, though. Damn.
yea
it’s just all fucked up around here.
Damn.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
OK, about my last 10,000 carpal tunnel inducing posts...
Jesu Cristo!! I try to give the guy a break – he had to do NOTHING – we were moving forward…why does this franchise incite so much frikken drama?!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
so on the one hand LJP is gonna come in here and say he was right about Zorn
being an idiot. On the other, he has to call him a genuis because he was calling for Ganther to be RB1, and that Rock wasn’t a good RB. He can also go back and say that he’s an idiot because Rock’s returning kicks again…..
You’re screwed ScottE lololol
SpotieOtieDopalicious
And while he's at it ---Go ahead a blast the Adam Schefter: Question and Answer!
UPDATE: From the DC Sport Bog:
Q: How close are the Redskins from being able to compete in the NFC East again? Is a new coach really going to solve all their problems, or do they need new talent, too?
A: Loving these questions that provide double answers that have validity. The Redskins are not at the level of the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants right now, but they’re not far off, either. The biggest difference between the Redskins and the rest of the teams in the NFC East is the play they are getting at quarterback. Now, I don’t know whether it’s the coaching, the play calling or the quarterback himself — or maybe all three — but the production the Redskins have gotten out of Jason Campbell does not match what the Cowboys have gotten from Tony Romo, the Eagles have gotten from Donovan McNabb and Kevin Kolb, or the Giants have gotten from Eli Manning. It’s a quarterback league, and that’s where the Redskins seem to be trailing right now. Special teams play hasn’t exactly helped, either. If Shaun Suisham had made the kicks he should have this season, Washington’s record would be two wins better. But any coach who goes in there is going to have to figure out how to get better and more consistent play out of the quarterback position
woah woah woah woah woah
but the production the Redskins have gotten out of Jason Campbell does not match what the Cowboys have gotten from Tony Romo,
WTF!?!?
And he’s gotten them what exactly?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I think he's talking about the entire season
we have let LJP convince us that JC has put up great numbers all year, when in fact it has only been the last 2-3 games where he has helped us be offensively competitive.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Please
that’s like saying I got a BJ but the chick didn’t finish me off. What the hell’s the point?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I dunno....
you lost me at BJ. Seriously, Romo has been more productive yds/tds than Jason, I guess.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
not sure how I lost you at BJ, but ok
just off the top of my head, I would say you’re right he has (anyone feel free to research that if you’d like). my point is, in the grand scheme of everything, what does personal accolades matter.
Notice I didn’t put anyone else out there, McNabb gets it done, same as Manning. But Romo? For real? Let’s not go there.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I always count on Romo to be the equalizer
when we play them. He was doing fine until we gave him that last chance he never should have gotten.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
JC
JC has played better the last two games at least, however, …and I have not seen it posted yet so I have to say it: his career game agains the Saints was against a Gregg Williams defense that he has faced 1000 times before…in practice. I’m not shocked that he was able to read the D better and hit players in stride for once. It looks like he has improved (on pace for 20 tds and 3700 yards and his qb rating has gone up every year ), but I need to see it a few more times this year before I get too excited.
We have a tough test on Sunday
against a team that’s beat the Bengals and Steelers and has a pretty good run defense. Jason had a break out game statistically, though he did not win it for us when it counted (I know others lost it instead).
Let’s see if we can build on the Saints game in terms of our passing game and see where it leads us. If all this tomfoolery actually helps, what can I say? I keep trying to make sense of things and the FFO and now Zorn just squat all over us.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'm replying to Rekka down here, Doc
just in hopes LJP actually reads the above from the sports blog and it diverts his attention away from me. LOL/COL Geez, never give a sucker an even break, right?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I like how he completely neglected to mention OL
ours pales to the other three in the division.
The biggest difference between the Redskins and the rest of the teams in the NFC East is the play they are getting at quarterback.
C’mon Sheft, you’re better than that
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
The difference has been our O-line
For some reason some people do not get it our O-line is playing better with Levi Jones at left tackle. Like I have posted many times if Jason has time to pass he is a top ten qb in this league. Look at his stats form last week for proof of that. I just thought I should add that for the ultimate hater (SCOTT E.)
my publicist.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 12, 2009 4:45 AM EST up reply actions
LJP
I’m confused wasn’t it his idea to keep Zorn and Blache if things go well with bringing on a consultant??
“MIKE HOLMGREN IS THE KEY !!!!!!!!!!
We need our own consultant like Bill Parcells !!! Mike H. is the man for the job !!!! If he can help turn Zorn and Blache around then keep them !!! If he can not then at the end of the year hire Holmgren as head coach or Shanahan !!! Zorn was not ready to become a head coach he needs a tutor !!!!”
by LETJASONPASS on Sep 30, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm lets look at that for a sec bring in a consultant (sherm) Check. Turn around the team (we’re playing a heck of alot better) Check. Keep Zorn and Blache (UhOh maybe he’s not right about everything….)
LJP, you got some 'splainin to do!
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Skins, I assume you saw my response to this already....
Look on one of the other fan posts that you have posted this same thing on for my response!! LOL
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 12, 2009 4:48 AM EST up reply actions
Rock at RB by committee with Devin T returning kicks
was a WIN-WIN!! How do you fuck that up?? No, don’t even go there, LJP…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Long (not very) time reader, first time commenter
My guess would be that since DT has come on stronger they don’t want a starting WR back returning kicks. Most teams don’t have an offensive starter back returning kicks. This might not have been THE reason, but it probably swayed their decision.
Nice
a touch of sanity, but it was working for us and we need everything we can get these days in that regard. Also, why would they let Moss receive punts if that were the case?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Desperate times...
call for desperate measures. (re: Moss returning occasional punts)
I see what you're saying
but nevertheless. I don’t know how you justify changing anything after last week. Obviously it was a heart-breaker in the end but it seemed like the offense was flowing and special teams didn’t look totally pedestrian. Our team is not going to the playoffs. We might as well use people wherever possible just to see what it looks like. DT is young. He can handle it.
I'd feel better about this scenario
if Percy Harvin weren’t returning kicks for the vikings.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Just throwing this out there
Vince Wilfork is a free agent this offseason. It seems like the Patriots never resign their free agents. I know he is in a 3-4, but he’s a Haynesworth-type DT. How nasty would our Dline be if it took all 5 Olinemen to block our two DTs?
don't feel like looking
how old is he? and how much do you think he’s looking to get paid? is the money/age worth putting some of our young guys waiting in the wings on the back burner again?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
He's 28
not sure how much he’ll want to get paid. But I say if its an uncapped year, screw it. Lets go New York Yankees with this.
No need to put someone on the backburner. Those big fatties need a rotation.
ugh
seriously Danny? that would be on the level of drafting Suh in the draft this coming year.
Nice, but not what we really need.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
It was just a thought
Its not like I’m saying that we ignore the offensive line to get this guy. In that respect, its nothing like drafting Suh.
Speaking of Suh, did you see him literally toss McCoy in the Big12 championship?
just kidding with you
the good thing about this board is you can actually have a thought without it being a detriment to the team.
What I was getting at was that if we spend money on Wilfork, why couldn’t we spend that money on an FA lineman instead?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Didn't this last series
of decisions out of Redskins’ Park tell you anything? Any mention of anything not related to O-linemen next year is likely to prove counterproductive in the end.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Look.
I want Olinemen as much as you do, possibly even more (I don’t know the murmurs of your heart) but it goes without saying that we will sign people who are, indeed, NOT offensive linemen. Hopefully we will sign these people in ADDITION to the several draft picks/FAs that are offensive linemen. With that in mind, I was suggesting that this guy is an interesting possibility to be one of the people that we will undoubtedly sign that isn’t an offensive lineman.
Yeah, I know
I’m just still freakin out about the carwright/devin switch thing…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
can't think of a sane person on this site that's not
SpotieOtieDopalicious
No.
No more big ticket free agents.
No more guys who have already gotten paid.
No more resources on the defensive line.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Ok, I'll drop this
since you guys have been so jaded by the Snyderrato Free Agent Circus as to refuse to discuss the on-field football merit of this idea.
never that
in an idealistic world, where Snyder isn’t insane, this would only serve to bolster the D-Line to epic proportions.
Having two big guys in the middle of that caliber would be crazy. Both your ends would no doubt end up having pro bowl seasons coughjarmonorakpocoughcough
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Probably extend
London Fletcher’s career by about 2 years by cutting down the number of tackles he currently makes.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
defensive backs
no longer have to be afraid of the double move because one of the fat boys is getting into the backfield to bellyflop the QB
SpotieOtieDopalicious
We already have more than enough big ticket players
Failing to look at this big picture is one of Snyder’s biggest flaws.
Of course player X would make you better, but what kind of roster are you building?
One filled with high priced vets who are on easy street?
Not good.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Well, Haynesworth is a high priced vet.
And the guy is playing his heart out. On top of that, Wilfork played at Miami with half of our current roster. Don’t think there are any chemistry problems there to worry about. I agree with you on a philosophical grounds, but I think this particular case warrants some consideration before its just tossed into the “Big Ticket FA” garbage bin. Just sayin’.
+137.2
Would’ve been 137.3 had you said something about a GM ;)
Sounds like
you’ve been in Dan Snyder’s candy dish one two many.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
i get paid to be on this site
SpotieOtieDopalicious
maybe
they are starting Ganther for the rest of the season to determine if he has what it takes to be a legit starter for us next season , Hint hint c-ya Portis , Your time here may be up , Or of course maybe Ganther will flash his stuff and get some teams interested in him so we can flip him for a draft pick
good observation
Although no one will trade a draft pick for him. his salary and salary cap hit is astronomical!
D.Thomas
Yeah, D.Thomas should keep returning kicks. He’s doing good back there. Better than Cartwright.
by ArtMonkizmyhomeboy on Dec 9, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions
Could someone explain to me
how some are people are being so critical of Portis FOR BEING INJURED while Campbell has a staff of people making up making excuses for his perpetual mediocrity. Campbell has never been good and has for the most part been terrible. Yet I think most fans would give him a better than 50/50 chance of being in DC next season. Portis has been the face of the franchise since he got here and has been one of our most productive players. Hes played in pro bowls and through injuries. He almost led the league in rushing last year, a matter of months ago, and now theres a poll asking if he will every play another down? I just don’t get it.
It's complicated, and there are a lot of factors
For starters, RBs are more easily replaceable. Thus fans are less loyal to them.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
3 other RBs have
already proven serviceable in replacement, so CP is expendable. While we’ve enumerated Jason’s faults ad infinitum, given the priority O-line should receive in the draft, the risk of replacing him is higher then bearing with his feaux pas, IMO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
If Jason Campbell...
…returns as the starter next year I am through with the Redskins. Sticking with your team through good times and bad is one thing but not when stupidity is involved. I don’t care what this guy’s stats are, he is doing nothing to help the Redskins. True, he did have a pretty good game against the Saints but one game means nothing unless it continues and one thing you can say about Jason Campbell is that he is inconsistent. Yeah, the OL is porous but when he does get a chance to throw he is very inaccurate, especially on longer passes.
-1000
so you think we can build our line thru late draft picks and use an early one on a QB? Well Colorado Mike, or should I say DAN SNYDER! you sir would make a terrible GM. A rookie QB would come in next year and get destroyed and embarressed trying to run a timing based offense behind a older more neglected O-line.
don't let the door hit ya
SpotieOtieDopalicious
lol.
So yeah, when he snaps the ball, he knows there’s a good chance he’ll be running for his life. But on those plays where that’s not true he should have the confidence of a Brees or Brady! Hmm. What’s wrong with that picture?
JC is inconsistent. But he is clearly a middle-of-the-road QB playing behind one of the worst OLs in the league, throwing to one of the worst WR corps in the league, playing for easily the most dysfunctional coaching staff and front office in the league.
If you’re going to bring in a better option to play QB in 2010, go for it. But if your preference is a rookie, Colt or Collins, you’re just hating.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Ganther is a good running back ..........Rock is not even on the same level.
Ganther
- Has Quick feet
- Hits holes faster
- is alot harder to tackle
- reads blocks better
- Short yardage beast
- is Maurice Jones Drew (Light)
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