Devin Thomas superstar ??
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 7, 2009 4:10 PM EST
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PrintThank you Devin Thomas for proving just how much of a pansy JIM Zorn is !! Jim "Pansy" Zorn has cost this team more games than our offensive line, how you ask ?? This is idiot for a head coach would not play Devin Thomas on kick of return team because he could not stand up to ROCK "The Team Captain" Cartwright. I have had several people on H.H. tell me just how good Rock is at returns ?? Tell me he is # 26 in the league how is that good?? The sad thing is that Jim Zorn is still being a "PANSY" how you ask ??? BY STARTING ROCK CARTWRIGHT !! The best running back that we have healthy is GANTHER !!!! But if Rock does not start then what reason will Zorn be able to give Rock for not starting him on the return team ??? Zorn is a coward ass kisser that is afraid of certain players on the team that is why we have lost so many games !!!! He should have played the players that would have given us the best chance to win evey game. By playing Devin on the return team that povides us with a spark and better field position.
Oh and last but not least Jason had a great game yesterday not by chance but becuase he actually had time to throw the ball.. So like I said time and time again if you give Jason Campbell time to throw he will be a top ten QB easy. So for all of you people that for whatever idiotic reason still dislike Jason Campbell you can eat some CROW or something else (s - - - -) if you prefer !!!
"JASONS MOM" lol
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Seems like the rant should be titled - Jim Zorn: Not quite so Super Star....and veteran starter!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott that is the problem more people should have ranted instead of trying to defend Zorn !!
Go back and read any comment that I have posted tell me one that I was wrong on !! I said if you give Jason Campbell protection he can be a top ten QB!! Did he not play like a top ten QB ?? Read my post " WE NOW HAVE INSTANT OFFENSE ? " I explained how with Devin Thomas returning kicks we now have better oppurtunities because he will give us better starting field postion than ROCK CARTWRIGHT !!!
You call it a rant but anyone that has ever played at least college football understands what is going on inside the redskins locker room. The problem like I have posted more than once is that Jim Zorn is a “PANSY” !! He was afraid to play the best players because of a few VETERANS running the locker room !! WHEN GANTHER IS FINALLY GIVEN THE CHANCE TO RUN THE BALL HE WILL BE THE BEST BACK BY FAR ON OUR TEAM !!! But then what happens to ROCK ???
I dislike JIM ZORN because he is not a real man !!!! He was not strong enough to stand up to the veterans and say practice or don’t play!! He was not man or coach enough to play the best players even though by not playing them it has now cost him his job!! His fear has cost us games and cost him the respect from the players. Trust me he is not respected no matter what people say on camera !!!
LOCKER ROOM POLITICS ONLY HAPPENS WHEN A WEAK COACH ALLOWS IT TO HAPPEN !!!!
You forget
When Zorn had his issues with CP not practicing but getting to play anyway – goes all the way back to the middle of last year just before the crash – it was Danno who overrode Zorn and undermined him. This set the tone for the underachieving FA vets to slack off IMO. It was not and is not that Zorn is a pansy. I think the team has rallied around Zorn and that he will be an excellent HC – just let the OC and DC staff do there jobs.
Rock Cartwright is a team leader, who plays hard on special teams and is respected by his team mates. He runs north-south on KRs and does not fumble. It is very difficult to make a change under those circumstances. It wasn’t until Ladell got hurt that they had to give the duties to someone else. It has been our good fortune that Devin is excelling with his new responsibilities and also, as you have stated, it seems to translate well and boost his play at WR.
Of course, under your logic, we would have to have all 53 members of the team returning kicks in order to play our best. :) Nice use of exclamation points in addition to the ALL CAPS, I might add. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
SCOTT ?? lol you are still funny !! LOL....Were should I start SCOTT E. ...... this is to simple ...
A bully will only bully someone he thinks he can bully !!!! IE this Portis crap would not have happened if Zorn was not a “Pansy”. The only Head Coaches that would have allowed this to happen or all getting ready to loose their jobs!! Scott name me one Good head coach that would have allowed a player not to practice at all if he was not performing well ??? Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock, LOL
OK, now for the ROCK is a good return guy crap ??? COME ON MAN will you people stop this crap also !!!! Sorry Scott but I must put this in caps as well !!!!
ROCK CARTWRIGHT AS OF TWO WEEKS AGO WAS #26 in the league on return average !!!
LET ME REPEAT ROCK is # 26 in the league on AVERAGE KICK RETURN yardage!!!!
What Logic are you talking about ??? I have talked about one person returning kicks DEVIN THOMAS !!
Did you not watch the JIM Zorn interview when he called Devin Thomas out!! Devin was wanting to return kicks and Zorn would not let him. Jim Zorn said that it should not take DEVIN Thomas returning kicks to get him going on Offense at receiver!! Wow JIM ZORN was wrong again !!!
Let me post this again also Ganther is our best running back he is better than Portis at this point in his carreer. Ganther is being held back because of the “GREAT ROCK THE TEAM CAPTAIN CARTWRIGHT” and his locker room politics. I say lets allow Rock to play on KICK OFF Team and make some tackles. He should be our second string back until the end of the season..
dude, take a breath and think
A bully will only bully someone he thinks he can bully
I assume by this you are responding to Scott E’s comment that Snyder overruled Zorn and that allowed the Vets to take over the lockerroom and that Zorn should have stood up to Snyder (if thats not what you are referring too then you did not read what Scott E said, or wilfully misunderstood it)
if that is what you were referring too then I have a challenge for you
Go into Work Tomorrow, up to your boss who pays your salary and gives you the opportunity to own a home and overrule him on everything, do the opposite of what he says and tell him his place is in his office not with the staff
Because that is what you are asking Zorn to do.
I agree with Scott E here
Zorn was a woeful playcaller, and a terrible Offensive Co-Ordinator, but the fact the team is still playing hard is proof of his leadership, I want Zorn gone, but Zorn is not the main problem
The main Problem is Dan Snyder Vinny Cerrato and a poisonous work environment built on coddling of stars (see Portis going over his coaches head to get Sellers pulled etc etc)
Zorn was a woeful OC who in my mind has hurt Cambpell and his benching of him in Week 6 was a true sign of weakness from the man, but really the only one, he is in an untenable situation with a Front OFfice that treats the team like a HIgh School popularity contest and not an Adult Multi Billion dollar business
Pommylee
Maybe you did not get it ??
Portis bullied Zorn by going to Dan Snyder !! The Vets took over the locker room because of JIm Zorn !! If Zorn was not spineless, the vets would not have gone over his head!! Jim Zorn would have known how to make them pay !! He does not understand locker room politics !! By bending over he has lost his job anyway !! He could have leaked info to media and used them as a tool to get what he wanted from the veterans !! ( other coaches do it all the time).
Whats Zorn supposed to do to Portis
-He Can’t Cut him because of salary issues
-He Can’t Bench him because Snyder won’t pay someone that much to ride the pine
-He Can’t whoop his ass in practice because Portis doesn’t Practice
-He had words with Portis last year and I think that he probably got told by his boss that Portis’s Job is more secure/important than his own
How many times have you heard a unconfirmed source said this or said that ...
He could have leaked whatever story he wanted to the media to get results !! Portis used Jim Zorn’s weakness against him !! He knew that Zorn does not have the killer instinct in him and was not going to play hard ball. Politics is not about the truth it is all about getting the end result that you want. Jim Zorn is to much of a “CANDY AZZ” to fight the hard fight !!!
He could have worked on dividing the locker room more until other plqayers started leaking info to the media about Portis !! Instead he did not want to get his hands bloody and fight the good fight for his job and carreer.
Yeah Dividing the Locker Room is a good idea
You’re crazy, Some players did exhibit signs that they didn’t like how Portis was getting special treatment, but the head coach dividing the locker room on purpose is absurd. Have you ever been in a locker room of any sport???
It happens all of the time it is called peer pressure .....
I did not say divide it equally but make the prima donnas that are causing problems in the locker room a little discomfort !! By the way I have played sports of all types even in college> I have seen this done before and it worked. Locker room policing the many versus the few !!
Check Mate
Portis bullied Zorn by going to Dan Snyder
It is Snyder who creates an organisation where this is allowed to happen, and it is Snyder who pays Zorns salary,. so my challenge to you remains, go to work tommorrow and undermine your boss, openly and too his face, because that is what you are asking Zorn to do
Now I am not a Zorn fan adn want a new coach, but calling him out on that particular issue is wrong
Pommylee
My Job is not played out in the media .......
Wins = more money that is all dan cares about . So if Zorn undermines his boss and wins his boss will just say I was with you all along. Dan will just make it seem like he was doing some type of social experiment or whatever by disagreeing with Zorn !!!
Poom, I have been in a similar locker room and I saw this play out !!! When I express my opinions on something. It is because I have seen the same BS play out in various different locker rooms on various different teams. You have so much politicing, team and locker room in football. If you do not have the killer instinct inside of you no way will you make it as a head coach. The players and ownership will walk all over you.
For Example JIM ZORN
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
U mean this fairytale right??
So if Zorn undermines his boss and wins his boss will just say I was with you all along.
So when Marty was coach and he was winning, but wanted complete control of football operations and Dan fired him, that was because Dan cared more about winning than being in control and playing with his toy was it.
How about when Zorn was hired and the other coaches Dan actually wanted like Spagnuolo turned Dan down because of one reason and one reason alone
THEY WOULD NOT HAVE AUTONOMY IN FOOTBALL DECISIONS
There has been one coach in the Snyder era who had complete control of Football Opertaion and that was Gibbs2 and that was only because he was Dans hero growing up.
Pommylee
Mostly correct
that was because Dan cared more about winning than being in control and playing with his toy was it
Reverse “cared more about winning” vs “being in control”
aka – Dan cared more about control and playing with his toy than winning – although we all know he wants to win – just not willing to give up control to get there.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
damn internet and the no sarcasm font being created
that was me being sarcastic, read again in Sarcastic tone
“So that was because Dan cared more about winning than being in control was it”
i.e the point being of course Dan cares more about playing with his toy than winning, how else do you explain Vinnys survival
Pommylee
sounds about rite
one of the big differences I see is that this offensive line we have now can run block and pass protect pretty damn good , the starting O- line couldnt do it and I would almost say that if they are smart Ganther will be our starting running back next season , I really like what I have seen out of him , also I think we may be looking at our starting O – line 4 next season , with a little adjusting because these guys seem to be melding together much better than the starters and are doing a pretty good job of protecting Jason , it just goes to show you that there are a lot of over paid underacheiving injury prone players on this team
Hes starting in my fantacy league next week
in the playoffs baby…
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
I thought for a long time
that what killed Davis Kelly and Thomas was that Zorn had just decided they were unworthy of having the ball thrown to them and put them in plays where they were the 3rd or 4th read in Jasons Progressions, (and with our O-Line that meant they never were targeted as JC didnt have time to get to that read)
now with Sherm calling plays and Cooley injured both Davis and Thomas have shown that if Zorn had trusted them, they could have been contributing for the best part of two seasons.
Pommylee
I disagree, PommyLee
I’m not buying into that whole don’t trust the young players thing. I think we had a situation where Zorn was overloaded – which has been fixed – and another situation where our O-line could not protect JC long enough to allow him to run anything but short-fused dinks, screens, and dump offs, etc. much less support a strong running game. So once again, we were not playing to our strengths because of our immediate weaknesses.
Now that the O-line has been shored up and is playing better AND we have a real OC/OC-staff concentrating fully on game planning – we are able to put in a succession of plays that result in long drives, more yds/pass and YACs, and also take advantage of our opponents weaknesses. This breeds confidence in the O across the board. Fact is, Zorn should never have been given HC/OC responsibilities with his background and experience. It was other FFO related things that got him the job based on the fact no one else would take it. I think this could actually work going forward, but that the FFO will screw it up for a fancy-name coach.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
it sort of seems like you are agreeing with me there in a way dude
I was saying that the O-Line was so poor that Campbell never had time to get to his 3rd and 4th reads in the progression and (this is where we disagree) that Zorn had so little faith in the rookies that they were always Jasons 3rd and 4th reads ont he plays Zorn drew up and therefore basically decoys.
Now when Cooley got injured, Zorn still had to use the same plays, but suddenly Davis was the first read and he played a great game. This then lead to Thomas starting soon after and he became first and 2nd read and all of a sudden he is contributing
Go back to last years articles on the Skins, Zorn continually put the new guys down, all the time, now I am no where near the team and maybe they deserved the criticism for all I know, but I also suspect that as an old QB himself Zorn sees every broken play as a mistake in route running or blocking (have you ever seen Peyton Manning throw an incompletion and not blame someone else or shake his head at someone, QB’s are an arrogant breed) so when everything was falling apart last year he had 3 choices
1 Blame HImself and the plays he called (not gonna happen)
2 Blame the QB (he was coaching him and he was a fellow QB, so agian not gonna happen)
3. Blame the route runners, who were rookies and wouldnt dare fight back, (easy)
NOW I COULD BE COMPLETELY 100% WRONG<
But thats how I read it
Pommylee
Wrong he does not see Jim Zorn is no leader !! He is the blamer !!
He had everyone lying for him CAN YOU SAY ??? POOR EXECUTION !!! This was Jim Zorns way of passing blame to his players !! The sad thing the players had to follow right along and agree !!
This is why I dispise Jim Zorn he is a Pansy of a Man !! Spineless when you will not stand up and take responsibilty and say I called a bad game or I was out coached !!!
Blame your players Zorn it is all about the EXECUTION ?? LOL
I think there is a combination of things at work here
and we agree on most of them. First and foremost, it generally takes 2-3 years for receivers to become effective consistently. Add to that the fact that both DT and MK held out through most of their rookie pre-seasons, then got hurt and missed most of the year – and you can see why a coach would be reluctant to play them ahead of most starters.
It was also rumored that Kelly was not able to learn the playbook sufficiently to participate until 3/4 of the way through last year.
All these things come in to play. I think we are seeing the recievers mature coincidentally with the injuries we’ve had, the shoring up of the O-line, and the game planning and play calling of the two Sherms. All of these are very positive and I’m very reluctant to mess with progress when we haven’t seen it in oh a decade or so.
We all agree that Zorn calling plays is not to his strength or the team’s benefit – yet, if things continue to improve, I don’t see a better alternative than to keep him. Just like after the last few games I don’t see a reasonable alternative to keeping JC.
And yes, thank you, LJP doesn’t read my posts very carefully.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Learning the Play Book ?? lol this is hillarious !!!!
I heard the same thing but this is another example of Zorn and his poor coaching ability !! I would bring him in the game and run plays that he knows and we can use his height ,size and great hands on !! The plays that he had trouble with I would sit him on the bench !! This is another example of Zorn not using his players properly.
A good coach will change his play book to suit the strengths of his players like Sherm Lewis did.. Malcolm said during one of the interviews that one difference in the Play calling is that Sherm has tweaked the routes. So that some of them are ran at a different depth so now players are getting open !!! Why Zorn did not see this only he knows !!!
Pomm ........... let me repeat this LOCKER ROOM POLITICS / WEAK COACH !!!!!!
JIM ZORN allowed the veterans to Run the team !!!! Cartwright, Moss, Portis and Cooley !! It is amazing how Devin Thomas is playing now !!! Well no it is not he had it in him all along but was not allowed to perform. Look at how many times we targeted him !!! The times we threw to DEVIN Thomas most of those plays would have gone to SANTANA MOSS in the past!! What about FRED DAVIS those passes would have gone to Cooley. We have not been playing people because ZORN was afraid of his VETERAN PLAYERS !!! Like I have posted ZORN is a PANSY !! If he can not stand up to the veterans then how can he gain the respect from his team.
but you wilfully ignore the most important bit of evidence against your contention dude
you say “Zorn has not got the respect of the team”
yet in a lost season with chaos all around, he somehow still has these guys playing hard for him, go and look at Cleveland, that is a team that does not play for its coach
This team still is
I’m not pro-zorn. but I am pro-facts, and tha facts are, that for whatever reason this team is still playing hard every week adn the coach deserves some of the credit
Pommylee
Thanks again for listening, PommyLee
I’m not saying Zorn is the next Vince Lombardi, but for all the crazy crap that’s been going on with this team, all of a sudden it is starting to work. Once we get the WTFs our of our system and hang onto the ball, if we continue to improve like we’ve seen, our buddies in the NFC East are going to be real nervous. A month ago, most of us wanted:
- Danny to sell the team unequivocally, then tar and feather him
- To set Vinny on fire
- To kill Zorn
- To kill Blache
- To kill half our remaining linemen
- To kill most of our secondary
- To kill several old WRs, including our punt returner
- To kill CP
- To throw Jason over the fence so someone else could kill him
In short, just blow it up. Then Snyder does something so obviously stupid on so many levels – or so it seemed – by bringing the Sherms together and getting Zorn out of game planning and play calling – and by GOD it’s working. But looking back, most experienced HCs don’t call their own plays. Why would anyone think Zorn with no experience could lead the team, mentor Jason, devise brilliant game plans and then have the energy to manage the game well.
Now, I venture to say: Many of us (NOT LJP) want to:
- See Danny sell the team, but hold off on the tar and feathers
- Set Vinny on fire, but in a more friendly frat house hazing kind of way
- Give Zorn a chance if things continue to improve
- Same for Blache
- Draft at least 2 O-linemen to compete for spots on the roster either as starters or eventual starters
- Draft at least one CB or Safety and look for a moderately priced FA
- Deal a couple of veterans for draft picks to get the team younger and hungrier and kill CP
- Above all, keep Jason. Use a mid-round draft pick to draft a solid prospect that can be our back-up and compete for the QB position rather than go for the big name star who will set us back a half dozen years.
Bringing in any other coach threatens this “plan” and it threatens to throw any progress we’ve made into reverse. Just not worth it. Let’s continue to help Zorn and Jason improve, work to cut down the WTF plays, drink the cool aid and see what happens.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I still want Vinny to burn horribly
picks look to be damn good, but we could have gotten at LEAST one linemane. Just one ScottE! Just one!
Drafting yet another CB or safety right now would be a waste of a pick since we just got one last year. I wanna see Tryon and Barnes compete. I love horton but really don’t want Laron at FS anymore.
Should go for nothing but high round lineman since Vinny and the team can’t seem to find late round gems in that department.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
It is amazing how you guys bashed me about Sherm "The Bingo Caller" Smith as well ...
Now you are bashing me about Zorn. Ok lets go down my list !!!
- Right about Jason Campbell *
-Right about Todd Collins*
- Right about Sherm Lewis*
- Right about Hayneworth *
- Right about Devin Thomas
- Right about Clinton Portis
- Right about Ganther TBD ???
- Right about JIM ZORN TBD ????
If my memory serves me well you were on the opposite side of most of these issues as well and the room beat and badgered me about those also !!!
I don't recall one "bashing" regarding Sherm
You kept insisting that Zorn was responsible for the team continuing to not do well, when it is apparent that they are improving. A significant part of the improvement is that Snyder brought the Sherms together to improve game planning and play calling – which we all know is not Zorn’s strength.
Other factors are that Levi and the rest of the line are improving, which has allowed Jason (and Todd if he were in there) to do better. Right now we continue to improve with Zorn as HC – we have a tough game this week and we will have to see if our performance can improve to the point we get the win. Other than that, LJP, you’re makin’ me tired…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yes,
I said that early on, as did a whole lot of people. But now we are laughing about it, not bashing anyone.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How is it that on every issue that I have argued in here I start out with the minority position ....
but so far I have always ended up i with the majority position ??? LOL
Wow, I need to start gambling !! LOL
Hey, Scott at least you got on the Ganther bandwagon with me early ??
Damn, now my streak is over !!! LOL
My opinion of Ganther
went from “who?” to I’m on the bandwagon his first play when he blocked the snot out of some blitzing linebacker then dashed off a 6 yd run on the following play.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Ganther is hard to bring down and he has more lateral mobility than Rock.
He can pick up a yard in a tight formation something CP could not do because he was to small and took to long to hit the whole.
Only because
I believe the room thinks you like it, you sado-masochistic little fool, you…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I am the fool ?? LOl You have ben wrong about everything !!
You and Zorn must be related you can’t admit you’re wrong either !! LOL Pathetic !!! LOL
I don't think I've been proven wrong on anything, yet
you just don’t read well.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Travis you are late to the party Buddy !!
Scott E. and I have had a season long arguement about players and coaches (sherm Lewis/ Zorn). He has always been on the opposite side of all of my arguements besides the new one about Ganther being the best back !! Within the past twenty-four hours we have had at least 40 posts back and forth. So you have no idea what Scott and I have really been talking about!! Oh, and I don’t feel the need to go back and re-post hours worth of posts from different blogs all into one post.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
You see everything in black and white
I have not been on opposite sides of hardly any of your positions. I have offered additional, compelling evidence that there is more to what you have been saying than this childish “I’m right again!!” bullshit.
But you don’t read my entire posts or listen to what is being stated or interpret facts to draw a logical conclusion. So…I’m a bit flabbergasted.
Sorry if I used a big word there…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
your checklist
Danny to sell the team unequivocally, then tar and feather him
- To set Vinny on fire
- To kill Zorn
- To kill Blache
- To kill half our remaining linemen
- To kill most of our secondary
- To kill several old WRs, including our punt returner
- To kill CP
- To throw Jason over the fence so someone else could kill him
I dont want Dan to sell the team, I want some sort of congressional investigation to uncover many misdeeds and him have the team taken from him with no financial compensation whatsoever so that he is completely broke, and in a final irony, the team to then sue him for unpaid for season passes that for some reason he bought at some stage
I want Vinny to go to Jail and be sodomised repeatedly in the Laundry room
I think Zorn has to go to be honest, but if we keep him I will not be crushed
All the rest checks out, although I’m very unimpressed by Blache
Pommylee
by all the rest checks out I mean your updates
Draft at least 2 O-linemen to compete for spots on the roster either as starters or eventual starters
- Draft at least one CB or Safety and look for a moderately priced FA
- Deal a couple of veterans for draft picks to get the team younger and hungrier and kill CP
- Above all, keep Jason. Use a mid-round draft pick to draft a solid prospect that can be our back-up and compete for the QB position rather than go for the big name star who will set us back a half dozen years.
Pommylee
dammit pommy
you have done the impossible, and given me another hogs haven laugh of the day. lol
this one goes on the list.
I want Vinny to go to Jail and be sodomised repeatedly in the Laundry room
SpotieOtieDopalicious
THE YOUNG GUYS ARE FINALLY GETTING A CHANCE
And, guess what? They are stepping up and playing with passion and abandon. I don’t blame Zorn as much as you do. This all comes from the top. Dan is playing fantasy football with our money and our team.
by savetheskins.com on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 AM EST reply actions
Yeah ummmmmm we are not even talking about that
Your an idiot… How was that display of beautiful gameplay at all a part of owner malpractice. How was it a conspiracy. For the first time all year our QB was not sacked like a million times… So this week your silly little cause is worthless…
The only way to get to a billionare is to hurt his money. The only way to hurt his money is to not touch anything that deals with the Skins. If you do that smart ass your hurt the team… The best thing is to sit back and wait for Snyder to learn his lesson…
another thing if you are gonna thrown the WWW out there include the .COM at the end of it maybe even use the hyperlink button right above your words….
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
Rock
Rock is one of the most solid returners in the league, him and DT have the same average return ya
oops
that was a three paragraph little rant that got deleted and I’m too lazy right now to redo it, so disregard that comment.
However,
he runs North-South so he’s not losing yardage, he does not fumble, and when we are kicking he gets in a lot of hits and tackles. He is a respected team mate and leader by example on the team. Quit ragging on him. You sound like a school girl.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Just the facts ....
I want the best players playing this is not about my warm and fuzzy felings for Rock ???? LOL He is good on coverage teams that is it !! He should be our second string back at the moment !!
The facts are that he hasn’t been returning kicks every game because our running backs have gotten hurt so he’s had to start. Therefore his ranking would decline becasue he hasn’t been returning kicks while people that have been returning kicks all season have continued to do so. So lets not put much into this “26th” in the league. Rock consistently puts us on the 25 yard line and occasionally has a big break, I don’t see anything wrong with that.
How many kick returns are in a game usually? And he hasn’t taken every return before two weeks ago, so…
WRONG
Go back and look up the stat yourself ...
I am not going to argue with you about Devin being a better kick off returner than Rock. This is like arguing if a Porsche is faster than a Ford Pinto !!
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying that Rock is better than DT, I’m saying that Rock is a servicable return man that will get the job done. Since Thomas is developing into our go to guy on offense, I think it’s smart to not risk injury when you have a person that can start you on the 25 everytime.
Don't bother, T
he doesn’t process any argument more complicated than a 3 year old’s.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I will agree with you on this one we do need another return guy.
Now that Devin is a key guy on Offense that might be a good move.The sad thing is I think the drop off is alot between him and Rock.on Return team
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not if Rock
continuously puts us between the 25 and 35. Devin’s return avg can’t be more than 10yds/return better than Rock’s and he has zero returns for TD, just as Rock. He’s faster and more exciting, but he hasn’t done much more than Rock statistically – and Rock has been doing it for years and doing it well.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
What did I state that wasn't factual?
Unless I should have said you are a school girl?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I only tried to explain
why many coaches would want to keep him in that position rather than give that job to a younger player. He was solid in all respects, just not spectacular in returns. As a leader of the Spec Teams and a competent running back, you just don’t make those kinds of changes unless they are necessary. When Ladell went down, it became necessary and – as I’ve stated – it has worked out great with Devin, an overall plus on Spec Teams and it seems to crank him up as a receiver.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Rock is a great leader on special teams I agree !!
Normally he does not fumble or go bckwards I agree. He is just not a threat to break one. He should reain on kick off team he is good at making tackles !!nH2e should be our second string back behind Ganther.
I don't think anyone
including the coaches are making any distinction between starter and back up regarding the two. Both have been effective.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
they actually said
they’re going to stick with the committee backs because it works. So there is no clear cut 1RB and so forth. I’m not even sure if I’d want them to go back to that anyways.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
That is the politically correct thing to say ....
But if Ganther is given the ball more than a few times it will be over for Rock !!! Rekka and you can Quote me on this !!!
Running backs by committee only works when you have solid running backs ......
We have one good one and one back up in Rock C. Rock should get some carries but not even near half !!! Mason is not a good RB because he needs to hit the weight room and get some more upper and lower body strength. If he does this then he has potential other than that he will never make it.
Come on Scott ?? Get serious man !! You seem to be a smart guy but you just don't get it !!!
Jim Zorn is to much of a pansy to tell Rock the truth !!! If anyone can not see that Ganther is heads above Rock as a RB then you just have not been paying attenion !! When he is given the chance he will shine and it will not just be against a crappy team either !!
in the long run
is making Ganther RB1 the best thing for this team? Or letting all of them run it at times?
Take a look at Clinton Portis for my answer.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
In the long run neither .....
In the long run Ganther might be a RB 1. Let me say this again he might be a RB1. But Rock should only be a special teams player RB 4 or 5. Mason has potential if he hits the weights other than that he will always be crap !! If Ganther is our number three running back next year than we wil have a stud backfield !! this would mean that we would have picked up the likes of a Chestor Taylor or similar
he told
Rock that 30 minutes ago when he announced Ganther as the starting RB this sunday
And that he was going back to KR duty instead of DT
Sometimes, you get more than you ask for…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I liked Zorn better as a pansy
when Rock and Ganther were sharing RB load and DT was returning kick-offs.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Any ideas on what besides WR he is going to do? Oh wise one...
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
More targets maybe un wise one .......
Rock does not even know if he is going to be on the return team . He was begging the coach to put him on return now since he is not starting ??? LOL. Go read the article !! LOL If Rock is so great on returns and he is not starting. Than why is he begging to get his job back returning kicks ??
Looks like he knows that Devin is better than him
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 7:30 AM EST up reply actions
Are you on drugs?
The report was that Rock was going back to KO returns and that QG was going to start at RB. Devin is not mentioned. Or is there some article I don’t know about?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Rock is also going back to returning kicks
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Go and watch the Rock Cartwright video on the team website !!
It is dated 12-9 look under videos to the right and scroll down. He talks about begging Danny to put him back returning kicks since he is not starting. He says this at about 4:15 on the video.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
LETJASONPASS
I’m curious to get your thoughts on Steinberg’s post from yesterday:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2009/12/is_jason_campbell_un-clutch.html#more
Specifically the part:
I chose to look at the 16 games in which Campbell and his offense received the ball with less than six minutes remaining, in a one-possession or tied game. In total, he’s 44-82 for 584 yards, with two touchdowns, four interceptions, and a 64.3 quarterback rating. The Redskins are 4-12 in those 16 games.
Really bad numbers. I’m not hating on Campbell, but I still think back to that game at Dallas where he threw that pickle after playing a solid game. Man…he does deflate at the end of the games. Good thing he has a few games left to redeem himself (in Snyderrato’s eyes). Like it matters tho, Skins are drafting Clausen.
What a hypocrite you say that you are not hating on Campbell ...
LOL, That is all you have done all year. Let me say this to you !!! The game winning drive was the missed field goal. Better yet the game winning drive was when Mike Sellers fumbled the ball !!!
BETTER THAN THAT !!!! Maybe the reason we are struggling in our TWO MINUTE OFFENSE IS BECAUSE >>>>
JIM ZORN IS IN CHARGE OF THE TWO MINUTE OFFENSE !!!!!!!
According to Chris Cooley in the Washington Post article . The only part of our game the JIM Zorn is in charge of is our TWO MINUTE DRILL !!
Isn’t that ironic !!!! LOL
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
Scott go and watch the Rock Cartwright video ...
It is on the Team website just look under videos on the right scroll to the Rock video dated 12-9. At around 4minutes and 15 seconds are so he talks about begging Danny the special teams coach for his job back !! LOL
Maybe if you watched some of these team videos and interviews you would have a better insight as into what goes on in the locker room. Like if you watch the interview whne Rock talks about how excited he is to have Sherm Lewis calling plays for Washington. If he loved and cherished Jim Zorn so much why would he basicly bash his head coach on video ??
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
can someone please go to LJP's house
and remove these keys from his keyboard
The L
The O
Then L (even the little stopper underneath so it is def not there)
and finally the !
Pommylee
It's harder than you think
LJP keyboard schematic:
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Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Kevin E. , If I read another post from someone say. "I am not hating on Campbell but!." I will scream ....
LOL
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 10, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
hummmm I will remember that one... Good post heading
Thanx!
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