To my fellow Skins fans
So, this had to be the most painful loss of the whole season -- between the refs' unjustifiable overturn of Sellers' "fumble," Kareem Moore's one-in-a-million fumble after an amazing interception, Kevin Barnes being in the wrong place at the worst time on a punt (especially painful for Terps fans), Suisham missing a field goal that 99% of D-1 kickers can make in their sleep (after the Dallas fiasco), and Jason Campbell throwing a pick that will regrettably transcend an otherwise outstanding performance. Our offense outplayed the Saints', and our defense played admirably against the league's best offense.
This is a game that flashed our team's true potential, the team we've been waiting to see since last year's early surge -- Devin Thomas played like a Pro Bowl wide receiver that he one day may be, Davis and Kelly had some very nice moments, our offensive line kept Campbell upright, LaRon Landry made a few great plays (between giving up two TD's), the defensive front dominated and Jason Campbell had the best game he's ever had in Washington.
But still, we're all hurting today. Let's try to focus on the positives, and know that this can't last forever. We aren't fans of the 2008 Lions, which had to be worse than this, but we have had some impossibly difficult losses to stomach this season, including the last three weeks. It is so hard to deal.
With an unbelievably injured team playing for nothing but pride, we gave the best team in the league all they could handle. We're heading in the right direction after the beginning of this season. I'm very impressed with guys like Byron Westbrook, Quinton Ganther, Rock Cartwright, Mike Williams, Fred Smoot, Reed Doughty and Levi Jones -- most of whom we never expected to play a major role this season in any game. Let's hope we can keep those hard-working guys on the roster next year, no matter who we bring in to coach this talented team.
We have nothing to be ashamed of today, and let's keep this one in perspective. We'll get a call to go our way when we're pushing for the playoffs in the years to come -- it will come back around.
Hang tough, DC. We don't deserve this and soon we will come out of it.
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Really smoot
From what I saw today he played like crap
by washfan29 on Dec 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I agree
HTTR
This one hurts….. I know, but remember how the Saints plowed the Pats on MNF. Bad Luck…Bad Timing. This is a team that is improving tho
At least
This still keeps us on a pace to have a higher draft pick to blow :)
are we cursed or what
it is just amazing that everytime we get something going our way it takes an immediate turn the other direction! just when i think we cant screw it up the unbelieveable happens we could be up by 21 with 2 minutes left and i would still be on the edge of my seat wondering when or how were going to screw it up!! your right though were not the lions and things do come around just when??
ty mmford10
needed to see a post like this. Tired of reading about people blaming the FO for every damn thing. Players played well, misfortune, fickle fate and some fucking zebra and one guy who really didn’t do his job prevented this one from being in the win column. The thing is, I feel bad for Suisham (also known as “the guy who didn’t do his job”), he knows he cost us the Dallas game, knows he cost us this one too. I gotta figure the guy feels like the ground side of a dog turd right now. In a contest against a team that you couldn’t afford any mistakes, our guys still committed more than our fair share and still should have won the game. Hell we didn’t even get the benefit of our one turnover and instead it was turned into six on us, how freaking obscene is that? But now we have to hear all week about the “brave” Saints comeback and how Drew Brees is the 2nd coming of Brett freaking Farve. All I can ask is that Suisham goes out there and kicks until his freaking leg aches so this doesn’t happen again and that someone passes a note to LaRon Landry informing him that in this league, receivers are allowed more than one change of direction.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Suisham
I just flat out don’t understand how someone can feel bad for him. I will be livid if he still has a job by the end of the day. Shitty kickers are a dime a dozen, so we need to cut his ass and go pick up one of the other scrubs waiting in the wings for a chance to kick in the NFL. Even if we have to settle for a kicker who, in theory, isn’t quite as good as Suisham, it is a symbolic gesture at this point to show that kind of performance will not be tolerated. (But I really don’t think it can get much worse than him)
Here’s a proposal to anyone out there who is even the slightest bit athletic and coordinated. This afternoon, take a friend and a football down to the local high school and kick 23 yard field goals while your buddy holds it for you. If you have any bit of coordination, I bet you make 7 out of 10. It is fucking easy. How you can feel bad for a guy to get paid over half a million a year, who practices kicking field goals all day, then miss a 23 yarder with the game on the line is beyond me. That’s two games he has cost us this year. Fuck him. He sucks.
That being said
Our team played an impressive game. The over turned call in OT was very suspect to me (Not saying it wasn’t a fumble, but there was no way it should have been over turned. It was too close to be over turned either way), but it shouldn’t have come down to that. I’m not going to “feel good” about the game, like some will suggest. In fact, I feel fucking terrible and sick over it. But, props to JC and the guys who went out there any actually did their job for most of the game. Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean shit until we do it for the entire game. Just goes to show that playing good most of the game doesn’t count for dick if you can’t put it away at the end.
sorry man, I disagree
I think its called compassion. Am I happy that he missed the kicks, no. The vast majority of guys at this level do not miss those, no arguement. But he’s also not the first to do so, nor will he be the last. It’s like comparing kicking a ball through the uprights with your buddy is like making a two foot putt at minature golf and equating that to what takes place in a golf tournament with hundreds of thousands of dollars at stake. Context.
LaRon Landry got burned twice yesterday on double moves, costing the team 12 points as I recollect (happened last week too), I don’t see a bunch of talk asking for him to turn in his playbook.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Suisham
That comparison is pretty awful, to be honest. If a professional golfer missed a two foot putt to win a huge tournament, then it’s a big deal. Also, that golfer doesn’t have legions of fans, a city, teammates, and an organization he is letting down. The guy gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to make those kicks in pressure situations.
Landry is a top draft pick playing Safety. Do I really have to explain why comparing Landry to Suisham makes no sense. Top draft pick Safetys aren’t a dime a dozen. Kickers who miss 23 yard field goals are.
I think history would show that when a historically below average kicker loses his team two big games because he missed easy field goals, he would get fired.
Landry SHOULD
be benched. I mean, honestly, what message are you really sending if you don’t bench him? They benched Rogers for the EXACT same thing. Bench Landry NOW, let him know that he’s not the cat’s meow, and maybe you can salvage his career here. Otherwise, he’s a waste. He’s playing out of position as it is, since he has no cover skills whatsoever. And since they don’t want to put him back at SS, they need to find out if he will EVER be able to play FS.
Landry has put together one of the worst seasons I've seen any skins player put together in recent memory
I mean he has been horrible. He belongs in the same sentence as Archuleta IMO. His quotes after the game made me sick. What a waste of a draft pick.
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
I see him as a
carbon copy of Roy Williams (the safety) Minus the pro bowls of course.He is a a late big hitter, who can’t cover worth a damn.
Thank-you, agree to a point
A well played game against a good team.
Until the Redskins put together a game like this against a team such as the Rams, Detriot, Browns or Bills the team has not progressed forward. Playing tough against good teams is easy, Detriot does it every week, winning the games you should win and then beating the best teams is what makes a team a champion.
I agree
This team is always one of the one player away mentality. How this team is getting better is a wonder to me. 8 – 8 last year and on pace to maybe win 4 games this year. I would say it’s a major regression. But these are types of games that a majority of the fan base points towards as hope for the following season, when really it’s the same bait and same trap. I’m starting to think most Redskin fans have weekly amnesia. As long as the hierachy remains, the cycle of picking top ten one year and maybe winning 9 games the next year will continue.
exactly
The whole league is about wins and losses, not about how close you came to winning 9 games but lost all of them. All you get for losing 9 close games is being considered a loser. Making excuses won’t help the team win, if anything it’s part of why they lose. No excuses – go out and win!
torture
I expected to get blown out of the water but that wouldn’t have been the bitter torture that was provided. It’s looks to me like this is the year we prove we can find a way to not finish a game in any circumstance. We have a lead and blow it, we have a chip shot FG and blow it, we give up a last minute drive after shutting a QB down for an entire game. Is this an attempt to become the anti harlem Globe Trotters of the NFL?
I hope Lombardi (at the National Football Post) is wrong that VC will still have a job with us next year. He also claims Shanahan will be the next coach which would be an improvment if they let him coach and not treat him the way Zorn has been treated. Then again, could the coaching get worse?
It proves that we're just a bad team.
I expected to get blown out of the water but that wouldn’t have been the bitter torture that was provided. It’s looks to me like this is the year we prove we can find a way to not finish a game in any circumstance. We have a lead and blow it, we have a chip shot FG and blow it, we give up a last minute drive after shutting a QB down for an entire game. Is this an attempt to become the anti harlem Globe Trotters of the NFL?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Campbell, Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Betts, Cartwright, Mason have all shown that they can play in this league and make a difference – and even Randle El is benefitting! Don’t do like ’99 and overhaul again after missing the NFC championship by one bad snap! If Dan S overhauls this team and drops Zorn – I am 100% serious that I will drop this team after being a lifelong fan – For the first time since Joe Theismann and Riggo etc…I am identifying with these guys and want to see them win AS REDSKINS. Remember Joe Theismann was crap for a long while and kept losing last minute to Staubach and Danny White against the Cowboys. Imagine if they keep this team together and eventually win? It will be just as exciting and meaningful as the 82 Redskins..These guys WANT to stay together.
This is what they need to do and it doesn’t take a Doctorate of football to figure it out:
I love Cooley and respect Portis – But trade them and get 3 Solid proven O-linemen. These three guys combined with the line they have now kept together give them the depth on O-line that they need.
Now Campbell can utilize 5 step and 7 step drops and let Kelly, Thomas and Moss work of each other downfield!
Problem solved! Now Dan S can say to the world that his executive team HAS done the right thing building through free agency etc….with two simple trades!
Think about it – Zorn has kept these guys together through incredible controversy and they are still playing Hard with nothing to gain – almost Joe Gibbs like. And he has kept his poise and class. And they are playing hard because they love him! He said that it would take two years for his guys to get it and Joe Theismann even said that he agreed – once it becomes 2nd nature and they can utilize their talent without "thinking"-watchout! That is exactly what is happening – you can see it happening week after week. Watch when they play NY and Dallas again – it will be different. I am proud of this team – don’t mess it up!!
Dan Schneider should be booted out of Washington next year if he does something stupid like firing Zorn and bringing in ANOTHER coach while keeping Campbell – just the type of Crap he will do because he ends up having a personal issue with Zorn or something?
by MonteColemanLover on Dec 7, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Sorry to say
but you may be following Zorn out the door. I don’t understand how you can possibly think he is even competent at coach, let alone good. Did Snyder cut his balls off? Yeah. But has the team played better since? Hell Yeah. Coincidence? I don’t think so. For the most part, we’re running the plays we should run at the times we should run them. That wasn’t the case early on.
As far as not wanting to “blow it up” – I agree that this probably won’t happen, but again, how can you seriously think that this team is close to competing for a Super Bowl? Does 8-8 followed by 4-12 hint at progress? I don’t see it. What I see is, since the half point of LAST season, this team is 5-16. Why WOULDN"T you blow that up?
You have a broken down, used up RB, 2 over 30 backup RB’s, a QB who can’t close, a #3 WR who underachieves, yet is paid like a #2. Your ancient O-line resembles a gate with a broken latch. Your kicker can make any field goal that’s NOT important, but chokes when the game is on the line. On defense you have 1 legit starter at CB, a SS playing FS, an over the hill, broken down D tackle starting next to your highest paid player. Your best pass rusher covering tight ends. I’m sure I’ve forgotten something, but you get my drift. What exactly is it that makes you want to KEEP this together?
Mason has shown he can make a difference? Really? When?
Also what does blowing it up mean? I mean clearly we are gonna build around our core(the four Wr’s(SM,DT,MK,MM), Cooley, Sleepy, Rak, Haynesworth, Jarmon, Carter, Tryon, Barnes, Rhino, Dockery, Fletch, Blades, Doughty, Moore, Horton). Theres gonna be a ton of turnover anyways cuz much of our team is either gonna be a FA unlikely to be back(Rogers, JC,) or is geting old/ineffective(Griffin, Daniels, Portis, Thomas, ARE, Smoot,) so regardless there is gonna be alot of turnover. Plus we gotta figure out what to do with Landry or whether to resign Rocky(I say yes), Levi(yes), Mike Williams(yes), Hunter(yes), Golston(yes). Plus some guys just plain suck like Heyer and suisham. Do you mean you are gonna cut everybody or just a major turnover(which seems likely to happen)?
by BayAreaBullet on Dec 7, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
there shouldn't even be a question as to whether rocky gets resigned
we should be doing it now. the dude is solid, and that’s one less thing we’d have to worry about in the offseason
SpotieOtieDopalicious
CJ maybe he missed the THIRD DOWN STAT ON SUNDAY ???
under JIM ZORN on Third down we are 30 % under Sherm Lewis we are 50% and on Sunday at the time of the comment we were 60% !!!!!!!! This is all coaching !!! Jim Zorn is not a head coach or OC !!!
Agree/Disagree
Great post.
I agree that it’s encouraging that we are playing tough, against good teams, banged up, and with nothing to play for, for a probably lame duck coach.
On the other hand, I think you can read too much into “moral victories”, and especially when the games don’t mean anything anymore.
The time to put forth an amazing effort is when the games actually matter. Like earlier in the season, before we were eliminated from the playoffs.
Like in Game 1 agaisnt the Giants, for example.
Now that we’re playing basically exhibition games, we seem to playing harder. Is that good? I’m not sure.
So I guess I’m happy we appear to be playing better, but until we do it in 2010, and until we start beating good teams, I can’t get too excited about anything this year.
Is Landry ever going to be 'good'?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Mean something to the teams we are playing
Remember that the skins played against teams that needed to win to keep themselves in the playoffs. These games were far from being exhibition games for Dallas, Phil and to a lesser extent NO.
The fact that the Redskins played the way they did against playoff bound teams bodes well for their future. The injuries to their so called star players, has given their rookies a chance to play. Portis didn’t have a single 100 yard rushing game over 7 games this year, constantly eluded to the weakness of the O-Line and yet Betts and Cartright run for 185 yards against Denver’s then #3 defense against the run. I am finished with players like Portis, who doesn’t practice with the team. Forget his injuries. There have been rumblings of comments from players on the Skins who are tired of him being given a pass.
Stop starting over. It’s killing me. Campbell and Zorn are above board, class acts and guys I am proud to cheer for. People like Andre Carter saying the team will never give up, is what the franchise was known for.
The skins of the late 70’s and very early 80’s (before Gibbs) were known for this kind of play, and yet they built a team out of consistency. Don’t start over. Don’t draft another damn qb, bring in another coach, or new offensive philosophy. These rookies need their space and time to grow. Let them with a qb whose above board approach and resilience speaks volumes with his teammates.
Keep them together!
by MonteColemanLover on Dec 7, 2009 10:42 AM EST reply actions
Using Campbell and Zorn in the same sentence is crazy .....
We are not playing well because of Jim Zorn it is because of Sherm Lewis and the fact that Rock is no longer returning kicks !! Devin Thomas provides a spark on Offense and on the return team this was something that was missing all season long !! Jim Zorn did not want to put Devin Thomas on the return team because he was afraid of ROCK !!
I think you are comparing a snowball
to an avalanche with this DT as kick returner. Yes, it’s the better option, but there are so many things going on with this team, coaching staff, and owners, I think you are overstating it. And I’ve also come to the point where if we were to blow the whole thing up, I don’t trust the FFO to put anything together that’s any better. Keep Zorn as HC, keep all the other coaches, and keep JC. Ditch the non-performing vets and concentrate on O-line.
I think the team can move forward next year under that scenario. We go the other way, and it will be the same clusterf**k all over again for another 5 years before we blow up Zorn’s replacement.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
How It Works In The NFL
IF YOU BELIEVE IN FATE: Good teams get the good bounce, the needed pick and the zebras’ questionable calls — Bad teams get the short end of all of these
IF YOU BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACIES: Apparently it was all over Twitter, and the rest of those time-swallowing sites last night, that someone threw the game. One player cannot throw the game (unless the place kicker has a new Rolls), but it always seems that game-changing calls are made by zebras in favor of teams that are generating lots of interest=revenues…
THE REALITY: It was great to see the ‘Skins almost beat the Saints. As the clocked ticked down, however, we all knew how it would end… We’re not good enough yet, even as well as we played yesterday, to beat good teams.
by savetheskins.com on Dec 7, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions
Offensive production
Does anybody remember the days when we were complaining about poor red zone production from our offense?
We’ve put up 24 or more points in 3 of the last 4 games. I’d say Sherm Lewis looks like a genius at this point given all of the injuries he’s working around offensively.
I give primary praise to the OL
they’re playing like a mediocre OL, not the worst in the league.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No sacks yesterday
a few rushes, but overall I thought they did well. One 3rd and 2 we got no push. All against the same D line that harried Brady last Monday.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
He really is
Our offense is about 1000x better than it was pre-Sherm. 30 points and 400+ yards against a tough (Gregg Williams!) defense? The guy knows what he’s doing. It’s too bad that no matter what happens with Zorn or Campbell next year there’s just no way we can continue this offensive system and it will be torn apart… even though we finally found something that worked.
that was supposed to be about Sherm Lewis being a "genius"
as Kurtstack said, but it went out of order
I said this during the game
Isn’t it ironic that the better the offense looks, the worse Zorn looks for not being able to do it himself?
I think very few
HCs can also be OC’s. I think it’s more of the realization that not even having been an OC, he was totally overloaded. I think he is actually turning out to be a better HC then he would have been an OC. The offense looks better because of the Sherms, the whole team seems to be playing with purpose and not giving up. I give Zorn credit for that.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I am still
hesitant to give Zorn any credit. I heard him say that he “figured 10 points would be enough.” That was with like 6 minutes left. I still feel like he has no clue out there, and without the Sherms steering the ship for him, the team would be lost at sea. I still don’t like the fact that they OBVIOUSLY decided on first down that they would kick the field goal on FOURTH down. And lastly, the players still simply are NOT getting it. Sure, the the DB’s answer first to someone else, but ultimately it is Zorns responsibility. And, with your JOB on the line, wouldn’t you beat it in their heads by now to NOT bite on the double move? And to get THE HELL away from the ball on punts? I could go on and on. I think this team is showing they have heart, and that they have some good pieces in place, but I still think they need new leadership, along with a few other things.
Actually
under the circumstances the calls were correct. NO had no time outs remaining. Up 10 pts on a gimmee (essentially an extra point) with <2mins to play = game over even if none of our DBs can recognize a double move. I know all about chain of command and what you are saying as ultimately the HC is responsible. Still think we go with what we have organizationally, keep JC and our core group, draft O-lineman and we can break this nut crunching vice we are in.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
running on first and second
was the correct call but third down we should have ran a play action rolling Campbell out to either run it or throw it in himself, on third down there was 2:05 or so left on the clock the two minute warning was going to stop the clock as long as we didn’t throw from a three step and not hold on. a play action roll out would have easily worked the clock down to the two minute and given us a better chance at getting a td
Meh
If he calls the rollout on 3rd down and gives up a sack/fumble or a pick (either of which could also be returned for a TD – we’ve seen both!) then he’s getting crushed all week for not just running the guy into the line, taking the “automatic” field goal and the “sure” win.
If it works, the Coach is a genius, if not, he’s a bum. That’s always been true, and always will be.
You're right
We’re 3-9 no sense in trying to score and beat an undefeated team, when there is a chance that we throw a pick or fumble and have it run back 96+ yards for the td, costing us our season. we should probably just run on everydown to make sure we don’t get turnovers it will probably be easy behind our pro-bowl caliber O-linemen
The Object is to Win the Game
I get that you’re venting … but sarcasm aside, the bottom line is what course of action gives the best chance to defeat an undefeated team. Any good poker player will tell you that sometimes you play aggressively, sometimes you lay back. In football terms, you don’t get style points for throwing the ball around – or Sonny would have a couple Super Bowls to his resume (or if you prefer, the Rams would have won more than one, the Randall Cunningham Vikings would have won the Super Bowl, and the Patriots would have been undefeated the year before last). Look, I hate the run-run-pass-punt offense, and the five yard pass on 3rd & seven drives me crazy. But the answer for what gives you the best chance to win is going to be very different with 2:00 to go in the 4th quarter than other times during the game.
Zorn (or whoever) made the call that gave the Redskins the best chance of winning the pot … but the other side drew to an inside straight. Sh*t happens, and I’m not going to roast anyone over this one.
Poker is not football
You’re wrong and the correct move in terms of poker would be a throw, when someone is drawing to the inside straight you don’t give them value with a pussy raise you make it so the call is tempting however mathmatically the wrong move, by how much is your choice, but it’s not by a run up the gut (10 dollars into a $100 pot), an inside straight draw on the river gives you 4 outs or roughly a 7 1/2% chance of hitting. Therefore your bet should look like a value bet forcing the person from the correct play (fold) because the money in the pot is so tempting -- translation lure them in with the play action (looks like a value bet) roll out and look for the td (pushing the player out) and if you find your recievers covered then throw the ball away (fold the hand you ran into trips not the draw)
play action on 3rd down is dumb
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
maybe
the calls were correct, maybe they weren’t. You could debate it all day. Personally, I didn’t like them. I’m not saying DON’T kick the field goal on 4th down. What I’m saying is, don’t decide on first down that you’re gonna kick the field goal on fourth down. How about TRYING to score a TD, then kick the FG if that doesn’t work out. Who knows, maybe you get lucky with a missed tackle. Or maybe you get even closer, and Suisham still has a job. What I DO know is that what we did didn’t work AGAIN. And hearing Zorn say he figured 10 points was enough pushed me over the edge. NOTHING is enough with this team. No lead is safe until the final buzzer.
OK, I’m off the edge now. Got carried away. Anyway, think about this…..it’s OT, New Orleans, who has MUCH more to lose than us, has a “gimme” field goal to win the game. Do they kick it? No, they drive all the way down to the ONE, and THEN kick the field goal. One team’s a proven winner, one team isn’t. Can you tell the difference?
Don't blame Zorn or Campbell
Listen everyone, Zorn never should have been asked to run the offense, and be a head coach, when he was never ever more than a qb coach. When you look at the Redskins of past glory, ask yourself why you respected them and what it was about their team chemistry that made average players win 3 superbowls in 12 years? It was a coach like Joe Gibbs who put greater emphasis on character players, than star power. He had a GM who gave him what he needed, and above all else, he was class and decent in the face of adversity. You can’t blame Zorn for a front office that doesn’t draft for the O-Line in and always thinks the next player is avaialble in free agency. The fact is, Zorn is the closest thing to Joe Gibbs (in terms of professionalism and class) that this organization has had in a damn long time. Jason Campbell is exibiting the kind of leadership and " this is my team until someone takes it away" attittude we’ve been missing for years. Every year this guy’s been in the league his QB efficiency and ratings have increased with nothing more than 1 serious WR, and a sub-par O-Line, not to mention numerous offensive schemes from Gibbs, Saunders, back to Gibbs,and then Zorn’s west-coast offense. It takes several years to build up knowledge of a new system. Along the way, QB’s suffer until they get it right. But this guy has improved year over year, in the face of advsersity and hasn’t bitched once about how he’s been treated or pummeled for 30+ sacks. There is no QB enterring the draft that can immediately make a difference and unless you fans are willing to go through another 2-3 years of ’rebuilding" and going in a new direction, then you better hope they remain consistent, keep Campbell and Zorn and dump some of their dead weight. Build an O-line and keep it growing.
by MonteColemanLover on Dec 7, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hit it
right on the nose with Campbell… I saw a competent #1 receiver yesterday… Moss would be a great #2… it would be nice to move him to a slot like a wes welker type and let him dance.
JJ Fe
LJP - you are starting to
sound like a Zorn hater, in the same way you dislike JC hater’s. I think Zorn has been good for JC and the team as a whole. He should only have HC responsibilities and let the OC and DC staffs do the game planning, play calling, etc.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Agree
I think Zorn has made JC a better QB, and gives the players something to fight for. But if it ever becomes a choice between Sherms the Bingo Caller and Zorn, Zorny’s gone
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I don't see Sherm
taking over for Zorn, but stranger things have happened. The less coaching/staff changes we make the better, though.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree Zorn is a great QB coach .....
I just wish he would take his QB coaching skills to Oakland and help Jemarcus Russel so we can move on !!l
The one thing you missed
was that like all great coaches, Gibbs was a stickler for details, which goes hand in hand with having character players. Suspect Zorn hasn’t gotten there yet, but if allowed to continue without OC responsibilities I bet he could grow in that direction – he will need it to succeed and get us through these bleak times.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Gibbs and Zorn in the same breathe .... WOW !!!
You are pushing it now !! Gibbs is a intelligent person can anyone say that Jim Zorn is !!
I dont consider this one the worst
I counted it as a loss anyway. I would have to say its a toss up between the Lions game and the Dallas game. I’m leaning towards the Lions loss cause at least with the Cowgirls we get another shot at em and probably put them out of the playoffs.
"When the rich wage WAR its the POOR that die!!!"
not to be getting into semantics
but I would say personally
that this was the most dispiriting loss
there is no doubt that
The chiefs game was the worst loss
Pommylee
Potential
that equates to a wish and a prayer…..
Zorn still has some of Gibbs qualities
I am in no way equating Jim Zorn to Joe Gibbs. That’s clearly not the intention. What I am saying though is that the one quality that Joe Gibbs had was the ability to will his team to work hard for him regardless of their record or situation. In 2005 with a 5-6 record, they won 5 straight with the saying " 5 in a row or we don’t go’ in 2007 at 5-7, they did the same thing. Jim Zorn has a lot to learn about being a head coach, but I don’t think it was a coincidence that he was the first coach hired after Gibbs second tenure. He has the same “us against everyone who doesn’t believe we can do it” attitude and that’s why he was hired. He’s come a long way, and yes these last three games were clearly winnable. It is not a stretch to say that if they had the kicker, they would easily be 6-6. The team could have packed it in a long time ago. Most teams would have, but all the time you heard on consistent theme – Don’t give up. A team that plays for a coach regardless of the situation or how bad their record is, speaks volumes. This is even more tru when everyone around the team are saying the coach is gone, the owner is interviewing potential head coaches, and yet here’s Zorn standing there fighting. Especially considering how bad the front office has been and how they haven’t helped with the O-Line. Gibbs got an average team into the playoffs 2 out of 4 years because of this one undeniable quality – never give up! Zorn isn’t there yet, but he has more possible weapons coming up through the system. We haven’t had a 2nd WR in years, which makes our first option, Moss easily defendable.
The important thing is to remain patient. Gibbs was 0-5 in his first season and ended 8-8. People were clammering for him to be fired then, and the owner went out of his way to support him.
by MonteColemanLover on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions

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