Recap: Redskins Lose in Pathetic Fashion; They Might Be Giants
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 22, 2009 9:04 AM EST
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PrintWell that was fun wasn't it? With 4 minutes left in the 2nd half sitting in section 306, I looked over to Ken and said, "I'm out." I walked the 1-mile to the Metro and was home by the end of the 3rd quarter. As the scores of other people on the Metro said,
"I don't need 50 Giants fans screaming at me my team sucks...I already know this. I've been watching them all year."
I've dealt with opposing fans all year but last night was a new level. I would say our section was easily 3/4ths Giants fans. No only that, I counted at least 15 Cowboy jerseys. One being directly behind me and taunting the whole game. What comeback besides a fist do I have down 24-0? The upper deck was at most 60% full and the usual roar on 3rd down when the defense was on the field was laughable.
As for the game, what a let down. It's clear the Cerrato firing and snow storm were a distraction. Can someone answer me this question....why do the Redskins play worse when DeAngelo Hall and Haynesworth are in the game? Haynesworth was on one knee all but 2 plays of the Giants game tone setting first drive, and DeAngelo Hall must have spent his past 3 weeks learning how to tackle from Miley Cyrus. These two certainly aren't the scapegoats. I didn't see a single Redskin show up last night.
It does make sense though. Look at the teams the Redskins have beat: Rams, Bucs, Raiders, and the Denver [Chris] Sims. Shame on us for thinking we could win this game. We're just one free agent away right?
As for the fake punt...
That Hunter Smith play I have no words for. I'm guessing that was suppose to be a screen? How fitting was it that he had no blocking and got hit as he throw it? That plays sums up the last 2 seasons. I had no idea how Zorn would defend himself post-game on that call...well, he attributed the defense. What a crock:
Zorn: It was good defense. That was what hurt that play. The play was unique enough where I think they didn't smell it out [after the timeout].
Seriously coach? That play reminded me of back-yard football. What's sad is with the Giants loss the Redskins are 1 of 4 teams still winless in their division, grouped with the lowly Rams, Lions, and Bucs. I had predicted the Redskins to pack in 3 weeks ago, but they fought hard. Obviously the Skins packed it in last night. Trevor Matich made a great comment post game:
What can Zorn say in the locker room? The players know he won't be here next year.
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stranger things have happened. i like their chances. cowboys coming off a solid win.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions
we just played them tough what 3 weeks ago. dal got their dec win off their backs. and this week was the culmination of pressures: GM change, interviews and distractions everywhere, two feet of snow. did you hear bruce allen say he interviewed zorn 3 to 4 times every day. no way he was prepared or concentrated. blow out loss on national tv against a REALLY hungry division rival that knows us inside and out winning 6 of 7 and many of them uncompetitive or blow outs (dallas is a rival but they dont have our # dialed in like the giants and manning is better than romo), and almost everyone of them can legitimately believe they will be moved so there is no pressure and little uncertainty. many of them are not low talent castoffs but want a real paycheck next season. allen has emphasized the importance of beating dallas BEFORE the giants game in his initial press conference. remember, the giants are a recent super bowl winning team that knows it can turn the corner, dial it up and win a super bowl with a focused stretch run. dallas is no where as confident and might not have won a playoff game in 15 years. and we are not as bad as we played on defense.
so yes, despite the HORRIFIC showing i think we CAN beat dallas. and at a minimum, at least make it respectable. i think we hit rock bottom last night and will slowly start to turn things around. those stands were empty on what should be a sellout even for a 3-4 win team, the fans booed and LEFT before halftime, and everything screamed dan snyder is a disgrace. i think he will impose his will much less at least until they are a .500 team again.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
no more excuses
Zorn showed you what he is last night – accept reality. Dallas is playing well – they beat New Orleans and we just lost to them not too long ago. Beating them is very unlikely.
of course it is unlikely. i said was this week there were circumstances that made things worse for us. and what is normally a solid beating became an embarrassing blow out loss. this week, there are circumstances that play in our favor. so what should be a close loss could produce an upset win. certainly dont expect it, but i will not be surprised at all if we win. but they might fold too? who knows. i think it is less likely we see a repeat performance.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas has a better Defense than the NYG
so to me the odds are worse. Keep in mind that the announcers repeatedly mentioned that the NYG defense had lost nearly all of the starting secondary and we still couldn’t do anything.
The only good thing is that Romo is still the QB in Dallas so he might have one of his off games. That’s our only chance.
Zorn is still the HC, well right now anyway. if I were Allen I would keep him until the end of the season as all the losses will reflect on Zorn, not Allen and it’s not like a coach wants to take over this train wreck today anyway. Any HC with a clue will want an offseason to try and mitigate all the damage Zorn has done.
I think a solid beating
is worse than a blowout and I think we got both last night. Our players were damn scared, half of them at least.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Momentum
Is huge in this league. The Cowboys have a tank full of it. We have less than none. It’s not hard to see where this is going.
I love my Redskins but you would be wise to expect the worst from here on out my friend.
Momentum
Is a made up concept in the NFL by talking heads. Momentum doesn’t mean squat. The Saints had 14 games of momentum when they showed up against Dallas. Dallas had lost their last few games and lost them in pathetic fashion. Momentum had nothing to do with that game.
We beat the Broncos who most would say still had some momentum, surely enough to beat a team like the Redskins.
The raiders just came off a win against the Steelers (a shadow of the team from last year, but a huge, HUGE win for the Raiders nonethelses) and they were awful against us.
We’d just come off of our most decisive victory of the year where it seemed like we were clicking on all cylynders coming into a team that has looked woeful defensively and “ok” offensively. We leave with our tail between our legs and s*** on our nose.
These are just a few examples this season alone where “momentum” has played no part in, except to give the pregame guys something to talk about.
Did anyone get a package this morning?
Cause I’m pretty sure the Skins mailed it in 1st class last night.
It reminds me of the New England beat down in 07, but at least…im pretty sure…as I recall correctly….we tried then.
you mean that flaming
pile of poo of a performance that was left on the doorstep of my fandom…. yeah, I got that….
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Get ready to be the butt
of the joke again next week. Another primetime embarassment on tap. Why is it that when we have any hint of expectation they completely pack it in like a bunch of bitches. When was the last time they performed when it meant something, even if that something was just playing for your job next year? We’re a national joke every year.
On a side note, if I’m Campbell I’d be dropping the gloves with the offensive line after that performance. It was like watching a dam break last night.
I give the flaming bag of poo award to the offensive line.
I don’t want to see Mike Williams in a Redskins jersey next week.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
that pic of Campbell is just sickening
did ANYBODY help him off the ground last night? Even once?!?!?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
no...
I meant to include that in my post. Pathetic.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
campbell was shell shocked last night like a tower guard on normandy beach. we are lucky he only threw one.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
two
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
They might
have just been too embarrassed to do so.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I blame Snyder
Snyder had to know this was going to happen when he hired Bruce Allen in the middle of the season and has made overtures to Shanahan (among others) while having a coach under contract. If Zorn wasn’t a lame duck prior to this week, he is officially one, now. At least before they were playing hard but coming up short. Now we have the exact opposite. Of course the team is mailing it in. They know they aren’t playing for this team or this coaching staff. Most (if not all) coaches will not be back next year as well as many of the players.
We don’t seem to do things the traditional way here in Redskinland. We openly court free agent or about-to-be drafted QBs while having a QB under contract. We have clandestine interviews with future HCs in the middle of the season, but the story leaks out. For once, I would like to have some sort of traditional way of doing things here.
Good luck
Maybe if we could buy Snyder a Mgt 101 Book on how to own a franchise. This was the worst. I can’t believe half of them would even show up to get their paychecks. Totally, physically dominated. Most of them looked scared half the time. Pathetic.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
you want this under Snyder?
George Allen Jr is going to be under Snyder’s thumb. What makes you think otherwise? George Allen Jr, Shannahan, et al….it will be the same thing for another 10 years while Snyder is the owner.
HE IS A SHIT BAG!!!!!!
George Allen Jr?
The former governor and senator? I didn’t know he was involved with the team.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
;-)
Hehe….
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
not when the stands are half empty on a mnf game in dec. it breaks his model. he will adapt or lose a lot of money.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
I won't be negative about the GM hiring
I just can’t believe that it could be bad. Any opportunity to get rid of cerrato is a good thing any time you do it. These guys should have a lot to play for and they just didn’t. That goes straight to the heart of the players wearing the jerseys. These next two games are gut-check times for those that have heart. Quite frankly, I like that they are under a microscope these next couple of games. They should be nervous. Every single player mailed it in last night. So let them play for their jobs next year. If its an uncapped year, expect Bruce Allen to walk into Snyder’s office next year with a $200 million cap hit of players that are being cut.
If its not an uncapped, then we’re screwed for a couple of more years.
+100
It could be true that Allen will be hampered by Snyder but we don’t know that yet so let’s not get negative about it yet. At this points Allens authority and power is totally unknown.
The past..
tells me everything i need to know about how Allen will be treated. Snyder runs this team. Nobody else. When are people going to learn? Snyder has been the common denominator through it all. THROUGH IT ALL
by williamhudsonlink on Dec 22, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Yup. 10 years speaks for itself.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I have concerns about that too
But why give up immediately. Snyder listened to the cry for him to hire a GM so maybe he also listened to the comments to step back. I’m not saying it’s likely but it could happen. Why ruin the dream on day 1?
I'm not ruining anything
I’m just not labeling this as progress until it’s proven.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
there are several players that fell victim to others mailing it in…the same class guys we’ve always had- campbell, fletcher, orakpo come immediately to mind
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
+1
totally agreed.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah - don't throw Fletcher & Arakpo under the bus
Fletcher blowing up Jacobs at the 3 was a GREAT play. I also thought that Carter had a decent game, although nobody was getting pressure much. I just wish I had a buck for every time I looked where Manning was looking and said “uh oh” as another receiver (or two) were running free.
Dont forget
We interview most of our assistant coaches to be the headcoach mid season as well.
how do they look in the mirror?
….no they don’t look in the mirror, they just look at their paychecks…that’s obvious~!
I really don’t know what to say. I did think last night that if I was there, I would have jumped out of the stands, onto the field and kicked someone’s ass…..I would have gone after anyone of our sorry, girl-scout look-a-like d backs! Sorry sack of shits. Fire them all! They all look at eachother when they fuck up!
"We're just one free agent away right?"
We only thought so because Gibbs made the team look better than it really was. Lots of people said he was too out of touch but he won 24 games in 3 seasons with a very old team. With Gibbs we went to the playoffs twice in 3 years, yeah we got beat but that’s because the team really wasn’t loaded with talent thanks to VC, remember him?
Gibbs 2.0 was still a great coach and to me his second run was much more difficult because of the management issues he had to deal with.
by aFan4Life on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Last night’s performance was damning evidence of how much a.) we miss Sean Taylor, and b.) the FS position has to be accounted for.
Kareem Moore was starting as FS most plays I saw but overall the whole defense seemed out of position. Landry is clearly a liability in man-man coverage and the Giants went after him when they saw that matchup.
"It was one of those things where everyone in the building was suddenly excited again," Cerrato said. "And all the women in the building were the most excited. They couldn't believe we were getting the guy from "Dancing With the Stars."
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
AGREE COMPLETELY!
Since Sean Taylor passed, this team has been rolling downhill like a locomotive pushed over a bridge. The question is, has it crashed yet?
Yeah....
Landry seemed pathetically overmatched last night everytime he was supposed to be covering.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
landry is pathetically overmatched every week
SpotieOtieDopalicious
We need a QB in the secondary
Much like London Fletcher does with the linebackers. That is where Shawn Springs is missed.
Moore was a step slow and a day late
every play it seemed
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
And this....
….is why he plays for the Redskins.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Our whole secondary
is a liability in coverage, period. We do not have one legitimate DB in my opinion. At least not one playing the position he is suited for.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Umm....
Joe Gibbs coached for four years here
by SkinsWizStangs on Dec 22, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
hey guys
sorry about the ugly loss and I hope and think better times are on the way… Shanahan is going to end up in D.C. and there’s a lot of talent being under-utilized, as the Haynesworth comment shows. Also, everybody at Big Blue View agrees that Jacobs was being an ass and should’ve been flagged or ejected.
Anyway, you’re my 2nd favortie team in the NFL next week and I am praying to God that you guys can bury the cowpies.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 22, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions
Thanks,
but don’t count on it.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm almost glad this happened.
It shows Bruce Allen just how pathetically this franchise has been run, and just how much work he’s got to do.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Sadly I agree
I wish total embarrasment wasn’t necessary but it probably was. Not only were the players not motivated, the entire game plan was horrible as was the play calling. personally I think it was more of an indication of the ineptitude of the coaching and personnel management than it was on the players abilities (as bad as that was too).
I didn’t even watch the 2nd half, it was too ugly. I was left wondering how Collins could find Moss open down field (against their depleted secondary) when JC couldn’t. Granted JC had no time to throw but neither did Collins.
if you were calling defensive plays
against us last night, would you have even had the inkling to cover deep?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Pssshhhht.
Why not keep everyone 10-15 yards behind the line? Campbell didn’t have more than 2 or 3 seconds in the pocket anyway.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, now the future is clear
Determine the Foundation, set it in place and then build.
Starting from square 1: No one is safe
I like it
After turning off the TV at the end of the 1st half, I wondered just how many people are even worth keeping. At some point the attitude has to change and keeping people with a bad attitude (as demonstrated last night by their apathy) is a locker room poison. I think Haynesworth is worth keeping (not sure he’s worth what we paid him but it’s too late for that) and a few others are but everyone, and I mean everyone, needs to be evaluated for skills and attitude. No one is safe is right!
Better days ahead that's for sure
Hey Guys Giant fan hear, the game was not good, but keep your heads up. Let’s hope Allen has some real power to change the franchise around, and hires you guys a real head coach.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
good news i hear about allen is he has in the past got rid of unproductive players, even fan favorites
by les boulez bomber on Dec 22, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions
Bye bye, CP.
Adios, #30.
Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out, ARE.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
i always thought that JC was the problem and the o line couldnt be that bad but DAMN!!!!! i feel bad for JC in that pic…..but i still havnt lost hope….i know they can beat Dallas i just hope its not another ass rape like this from the cowpokes
JC is an unknown
I’m not sold on JC yet but how can you tell what he is behind this OL?
Quite frankly, I’ll be shocked if he stays. Odds are there’s going to be some interest in him. He knows a new coach is going to want to pick his own QB and odds are it won’t be JC. So if you had the chance to stick around working for a coach when you’re not “his QB” and working behind a OL that is absolutely horrible or you had the chance to go somewhere else where odds are the HC had some interest in you and odds are the OL is better, what would you pick?
Outsiders opinion on JC
I don’t watch a whole bunch of his games but to me he is more of a no.2 QB than a no.1 JC can definitly hurt you but his consistancy is just not where it needs to be to start every game. Even if he is resigned they should bring in some competition.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to issue a final judgement on his consistency
when he’s had such a poor supporting staff and mediocre/bad coaching.
when you’re never sure if you’ll have time to get to your 2nd read, it’s tough to build the confidence needed to be consistent
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Agreed JC's career has been impacted by the lack of talent around him
However they used to say the same thing about David Carr on the Texans. Let me tell you if he is starting games for us we are in deep trouble.
Heres the question, JC is gonna want a lot of money, do you lock him up and hope an pray that his bad play is a result of what the organization has put around him. Or do you start over, tough decision, but I will say this, JC looks shell shocked out there, not sure I would want to hitch my trailer to his wagon going forward.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
why do you think JC would want a lot of money?
He hasn’t been holding out, or putting it out in the ether that he wants top tier QB money (ala Carlos “Stone Hands” Rodgers).
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Human nature
JC will be a veteran, they always want the second contract to be a big one becasue you don’t know how long your career will be. Next year is a wash becasue of the Uncapped year, so I don’t think he will be an FA. However there are plenty of teams that need a QB and JC will have a market for his services, because he still has untapped potential maybe.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Human nature
also says, that if you get beat to the ground with any kind of consistency, you won’t get up again just to stop the torture. FO’s done nothing to help the O-Line problem, but he gets up to take another pounding week after week despite it being in every humans nature to protect themselves.
Even convinced the coach to let him back in the game after the whoopin he took. So I don’t buy the human nature angle when it comes to him.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
but he gets up to take another pounding week after week despite it being in every humans nature to
I am not denying he is one tough SOB, however when you get pounded like that you start to get gun shy, you start to hear footsteps that aren’t there.
Look I am not trying to Knock JC, but when you are brought into the NFL and thrown to the wolves without a O line, a lot of QB’s never reach their potential. The Skins one way or another have a tough decision to make.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
JC
I think JC can be a good QB in the league and he has shown he can play well with Davis and your young receivers.
He might need to throw the deep ball better, your problem at the moment (from a Giant Fan) is pass protection and the OL, Peyton Manning and Brees would struggle playing behind that line
I think you need to spend the draft on the OL, and then see if JC is a NFL QB.
JC is alot tougher than David Carr .....
Maybe you have been missing it but JC 17 has been hammered all year long. When JC 17 is given time he is a top ten QB easy. How does Brady do after only getting hit once or twice. How about Drew Brees how did he look against the Cowboys in the first half? He looked bad because he was being hit. Drew Brees normaly does not get hit . Peyton Manning might go the entire first half without getting touched. When your line blocks well good things happen.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 22, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying JC is Carr
But both have had a similar NFL Careers. Both have not been developed right and both have had their brains pounded in because of the lack of talent around them.
Now JC might be a top QB but are you willing to bet the farm for the next 5 years that he will devlop into that player?
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
If it's an Uncapped Year
JC is a RFA, and they don’t have to go to the bank to keep him. That’s the perfect solution – give him another year while we get some depth in there (Collins is gone) to develop. Focus on the bigger problems, dammit!
not neccessarily
other teams can make offers that we might have to match and the offer might be higher than Allen will want to pay. It’s not terribly likely but given his situation (he has fairly good stats despite the lack of a decent OL or receivers) it’s not that unlikely either.
There are plenty of teams that need to do something at QB: Panthers, Raiders, Cleveland, Jacksonville, 49ers, and Rams. Will 1 of them want him? Maybe. Personally I think the big problem in Carolina is at QB and I think JC would do very well if he went there. I hope it doesn’t happen but after the beating he’s taken I wouldn’t cry foul if he left.
Re: Agreed JC's career has been impacted by the lack of talent around him
The same excuses were used for Carr but that doesn’t make them inaccurate about JC. JC has shown far more in his time than Carr ever did. Also, I’m not saying JC will be a great, consistent QB, just that you can’t write him off as inconsistent yet.
Re: His contract
If he asks for a huge contract, then I wish him well. But he should know his stock isn’t very high right now. He should sign a 1 year tender with the Redskins, and both sides can feel each other out and talk again in the ’10 off season.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Contract
There are lot of teams hurting at the QB position, you might be suprised someone JC’s value on the open market might be better than you think.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
JC's career
Okay so maybe Carr is not quite a good example because we saw how things panned out for him after he left the Texans, and we have not seen JC out of his current situation.
totally agree with you smut that because of the circumstances it is a tough call judging him. However whenever we play him, he seems slow to me, he telegraphs his throws and he just does not know where the open man is. Even last night,
I submitt to you that Collins would have done far more damage than he did last night. In fact I think most Giant fans were relieved when Campbell came back in the game becuse he just does not find the open man as fast as Collins.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think you've seen enough of Todd Collins
And you especially haven’t seen him behind a terrible offensive line.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
JC has to be on the team next year
It will stop the imbecciles (Snyder) from drafting his next franchise QB, and have him kill behind this line
contract
“He should sign a 1 year tender with the Redskins, and both sides can feel each other out and talk again in the ’10 off season.”
From your point of view, maybe, from his point of view, no. His stock is not going to improve behind this OL, an OL which isn’t going to get fixed in 1 off season.
His real only chance is to go somewhere else where they’ll give him a chance to compete for the starting job. If he stays he’ll just be a placeholder until the next HC gets the QB he picks, not the last guys QB.
It's less likely he'll stay. But it's possible.
If we drafted an OT, OG, and maybe signed a RT, staying wouldn’t be the worst decision in the world.
He’s going to get more PT here than anywhere else, IMO
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
IMO
he’s not likely to go to a worse situation so I doubt he’ll want to stay.
It's about playing time though.
His decision is going to be based on personnel, and playing time.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
yes
and just about any other team interested in himwill have a better OL and he’ll get just as much playing time.
If he goes to the Panthers, Browns, or Raiders he’ll be getting every bit as much playing time as he will get with the Redskins.
Eli looked that way to me
early in his career, very inconsistent. Much of it (consistency) depends on other people on the team.
well I bet ya that
the Rams, Raiders and Panthers would be glad to have him. Is he Peyton Manning, no, but the weeks prior have shown that he can be an effective QB. I would be hard pressed to say that even Peyton could have survived behind the OL play last night. Whether that’s an indictment on our guys or praise for the Giants defensive schemes or a healthy helping of both is for you to decide.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Man isn't that rich, giants fan coming over to the rape victim saying sorry we cornholed you but I hope you
are able to stop the next guy from doing the same. I think the giants had two very good drives and it just took the fight out the skins, the fell down and could not get back up.
I will say this, if dallas repeats the offensive performance against you guys the 1st time they played then dallas will lose because it will give the skins life. Dallas has to come out and score early to keep from resurrecting the Zombie Skins.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Right on Schedule
Thanks for demonstrating why we actually respect most Giants fans: they are more prone to take the high road and show some class. Dallas fans show up with a sense of entitlement a mile wide for a team that is an inch deep.
The only thing Dallas fans have going for them: they’re not Eagles fans. Hands down, they are the worst.
I don't know DC I will take an eagle fan any day over a cowboy fan
That guy Cowboy78 ha probably never been to Dallas
by Late for Dinner on Dec 22, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
That post said nothing disrespectful
about the Redskins at all, he was commenting on the Giants fan who was hoping you could beat us next week. I don’t get your comment?
he was replying
to the fact that genius has a problem with the fact that there are Giants fans who are classy enough to come here to tell us good game and actually have an intelligent and unbiased opinion about what happened yesterday.
Man isn’t that rich, giants fan coming over to the rape victim saying sorry we cornholed you but I hope you are able to stop the next guy from doing the same.
All THAT wasn’t even necessary.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
They weren’t unbiased, most definitely, and there was nothing sincere about telling you good game, and i mean no disrespect or rudeness, and i am sure you will agree, the Skins did not play a good game yesterday.
Think about what the cut and dry of what those fans are saying, we just walked all over you and enjoyed every second of it (because they did, just as you would have) but I hope you beat the Cowboys so we can make the playoffs!
It is pretty crazy when you break it down that someone would welcome that
you just took it
in a whole other direction than what it needed to be. the whole point was the way he chose to voice himself. but you already acknowledged that so there’s nothing else to say.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I chose to look at the whole of what the Giants fans are saying
like Late for Dinner says above
Better days ahead that’s for sure
Hey Guys Giant fan hear, the game was not good, but keep your heads up. Let’s hope Allen has some real power to change the franchise around, and hires you guys a real head coach.
Why is it crazy that I welcome something like that?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Hunter the smashed
I heard this from a source
Hunter on Wednesday practice went up to Coach and said "Coach Zornbie , you suck as a coach, but it will be ok, they will put you out of your misery within 3 weeks"
So Coach Zornbie was pissed and he devised a plan to get Hunter back
He was going to make Hunter the QB, and then run a pass play, he will telegraph the pass play to the other team , so they knew what was coming. He will then remove the OL and watch Hunter get smashed
I say Zornbie on the sideline, he was laughinh his head off during the play
Not buying it...
No need to remove the O-line for a QB to get smashed on this team.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Looking forward to your next game.
I dunno why people don’t wanna credit the Giants. When they get a pass rush like that..and play D like that, they are that good. I don’t think the Redskins are as bad as they looked Monday night…
The Giants have had the Redskins number lately (which is why I was kinda on edge for this game..), but it looks like it will have to wait till they meet again.
The Redskins, for whatever reason, play the Cowboy extremely tough, no matter the situation. I think they’ll play a lot better..and I’m thinking they’ll win. Not hoping..I actually think the Redskins win Sunday night.
Should be an interesting game. I’ll be rooting with ya on this one of course.
"It ain't over till its over"---
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It’s not that we don’t credit the Giants – but it’s not that impressive. Sack Peyton Manning or Tom Brady 3x and we’re impressed. Against the ’Skins? Not so much. Unless the OL is playing way over their heads, we give up sacks to everybody.
I was much more impressed with the Giants’ offense than defense this week. Especially their game plan – the screens inside and in the flat did a good job of slowing the pass rush, and as a result the ‘Skins secondary got exploited. The ’Skins defense has sucked against screen passes for years – it’s about time somebody noticed.
THE FUTURE IS NOW? THIS GAME SAYS IT ALL...
Allen made good press, now can he make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear? Not likely, with Danny boy pulling the strings… Better watch those 80’s and 90’s DVDs for awhile. There will be nothing new to celebrate for years to come…
Merry Christmas, Dan. You gave us all a big bag of sh—, er, coal. 10 years in the making!
by savetheskins.com on Dec 23, 2009 12:00 AM EST reply actions
always the harbinger of doom and gloom
at least you’re consistent….that’s all I can say for you.
When they feed us
shit on a goose week in and week out – with an occasional great game to lift our spirits before crashing them into the abyss once more – it’s more logical to harbinger doom than to be the optimistic, sunny fool I am.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
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