Mike Shanahan = next Redskins head coach??
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 12:56 PM EST
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I keep seeing Mike Holmgren's name thrown about, and I wouldn't mind Holmgren coming in here and trying to right this ship. However, the hiring of Bruce Allen means the next HC will not also play the part of GM, and to me, that's the red flag that it won't be Holmgren.
That having been said, I think it makes too much sense that it's Shanahan coming in. Look at it:
* He's originally from the area.
* He has a background in the WCO, although his scheme is more run-heavy than most variations -- much like our hybrid WCO-Gibbs offense.
* We have the wrong linemen for Shanahan's offense -- we've got big beefy guys, "Hogs", for the power run game, while Shanny prefers smaller, athletic OLs for zone blocking schemes. But the fact that we're going to need to rebuild our line anyway means Shanahan can hand pick the guys he wants blocking up front.
* There were rumors that Danny tried to hire Shanahan during midseason, but Shanahan told him that a coaching change midseason rarely improves the team.
* What really brought down Shanahan's Bronco teams over the past few years was the defense. We've already got a stout D, now we need an offense to match. It's like bringing Gruden in to Tampa.
All this having been said, I wouldn't be shocked, either, if it WERE Holmgren. What do you think?
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It's hard to disagree with your thinking
Unless a new head coach is picked out already, this seems like a move where Danny is saying look, I ousted Vinny and inserted a seasoned GM, now who wants the HC job.
Shanahan would seem to be a good fit because of his run heavy offense, albeit WCO, but run heavy none the less. JC is already good at protecting the ball and has a very good pass% which might be a good fit for Shanahan. But this line is totally wrong for zone blocking as you said.
by skinsymets on Dec 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thinking and what will happen I'm afraid are two very different things
My hope is that he (Bruce Allen) will come in, evaluate the team over the next several weeks and make decisions based on what he has and what needs to be changed.
I hope he does not have a plan in place for a complete changeover without any assesment.
I also hope that Allen wants to establish his own legacy with Redskins and any coaching changes will not involve using “old” coaches, but looking for new up and coming head coaches… which would mean no Shanahan and no Gruden
by dr WNC on Dec 17, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+2
No Shanahan and no Gruden.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-2
Either one would be an upgrade over Zorn. Cowher would be even better.
by VA_Skin on Dec 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Why the rush? If we finish strong we can see if we need someone else. I don’t see Shanny working for Bruce – only because he wanted and got complete control at Denver.
Not sure I see Bruce wanting Shanny – as he can be a prickly kind of guy – and really not as accomplished as his resume might suggest. There was a reason the Denver owner decided to blow it up – and the reason was Shanny.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that,
and Pat Bowlen has Alzheimer’s.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
funny
I wish I could link to some of the info they are reporting on 980…they are owned by Danny so the info is normally pretty good. They reported that the Skins were already talking to Shanny and that Allen/Shanny were a package deal when discussing with BUF. Looks like talks are already going on:
by liger99 on Dec 18, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oooppps. reply fail, but link is good.
by liger99 on Dec 18, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are also reporting that Vinny
is staying on as a consultant to Danny, link:
by liger99 on Dec 18, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Meh…. that way Danny can keep him on the payroll and still play racquetball with him.
Just don’t let him poison the waters.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, seriously.
Pat Bowlen just got diagnosed with Alzheimer’s this year, and a lot of people wondered if that had something to do with the dismissal of Shanahan.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I take that back.
If he HAS been diagnosed, I don’t think they’ve publicly admitted it, but Rick Reilly and others mentioned that he’s had memory loss issues recently.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is more hope than anything
because with the talent we have and now a GM, this is probably one of the premier coaching jobs in sports. I’m just saying Shanahan wanted total control in Denver and don’t see him giving it up. He might talk a good tune, but it could result in conflicts down the road.
Really would like to see a young, driven coach rather than any of the old hacks out there get the job. Someone who will leave the good stuff we’ve got in place.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 2:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really would like to see a young, driven coach rather than any of the old hacks out there get the job.
Agree, but I doubt Snyder will go this route. He just DID, and got Zorn.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he got Zorn,
but that wasn’t his original plan. He had to select Zorn when his Mgt 101 lacking skill set allowed him to make Zorn OC prior to him naming the HC. The last two yrs could have been something entirely different, but I don’t know what…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wikipedia
says Jon Gruden is currently the head coach of the Washington Redskins….?!?
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting-Black and white it is
Jon David Gruden (born August 17, 1963 in Sandusky, Ohio) is currently the head coach of the Washington Redskins of the NFL. Prior to taking over as coach of Washington, he was the head coach of Tampa Bay and of the Oakland Raiders for 4 years. The Buccaneers won Super Bowl XXXVII in the team’s first year under Gruden’s tenure, making him the youngest head coach ever to win a Super Bowl at the time, a record since eclipsed by Mike Tomlin. Gruden currently serves as one of two color commentators on ESPN Monday Night Football along with Ron Jaworski.
Always accurate Wiki : )
by dr WNC on Dec 17, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
See my FanPost: “And we all know Wikipedia is never wrong…”
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe wiki
has it on there this morning before everyone else even knew that Cerrator was gone and Allen was the new GM?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn Snyder
He could have done us ALL a huge favor and just fired Cerrato and waited until after the Holidays to hit us with the GM and HC rollercoaster roundhouses. Geez…what an asshole. And I am so totally hoping the Wiki thing is a prank.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, right??
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder introduces Allen
Allen—> Says the right thing:
Allen on Coach Jim Zorn: “I met today with Jim Zorn. Told him what we’re going to try to do in the next few weeks. We’re going to have some more meetings and discuss the future.”
Allen’s impressions about the Redskins: “From afar, I like their talent. They have a nice core of talent here. That’s attractive. They have some young players whose futures are extremely bright.”
by dr WNC on Dec 17, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what concerns me with Shanahan is
that even though he has had Horrible Defences for a number of years now, it is a given that he will bring in his own Handpicked DC to any job he takes, whereas maybe he would be better off leaving our Current Defensive Management structure in place
and I am aware that I am the same guy who in another post was prepared to Dump Blache for Jerry Gray based on nothing more than a couple of interviews, the fact Gray was nearly taken as a College HC and good things I had heard, so there is mo need for your smartass comments :)
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Dec 17, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Allen is not a true GM...
He is a salary cap and free agent guy…not a scout guy…so the head coach will be making most of the draft decisions….which is why the Bucs went down the toilet.
Gruden = Terrible talent evaluator
by KevinE on Dec 17, 2009 11:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gag me with a +1
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Sports Reports show on espn 980 were saying that the Skins will be hiring someone to be a personnel director to help Allen. They mentioned that they were looking at a former Redskin staffer that had the position before….either first or last name of Patrick. I’m looking for a link or broadcast text now…
by liger99 on Dec 18, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ramsey?
:-P
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would fit in with the last decade's
Bump-on-the-Head management style.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, hey.
ANYTHING would be better than Vinny. Heck, hiring a steaming pile of horse dung would be better than Vinny.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't even need to steam
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True,
but if it did, it would be an added benefit that it would keep everyone warm.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 19, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rooney Rule
Given the stupid, racist “Rooney Rule”, can the Skins hire Shanahan without interviewing a black guy first? Or would he have to be an interim coach?
by Donnio1234 on Dec 17, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
word is they have already
interviewed to minority candidates to comply with the Rooney Rule
This was reported by the same ESPN dude (Shefter I think) who (ESPN said) broke the Vinnys gone story
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Dec 18, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ask Sherm Lewis if he thinks it is a racist rule ???
The Rooney Rule was brought on because of Sherm not getting any chances as a HC. ( for the most part) I would take Sherm Lewis as a Head Coach over most coaches in the league. He understands football and what it takes to win. Think about what most people would have done if they came in with the “key to the city” like Sherm Lewis did ?? How many people would have came in and just took over? Sherm tried to show Zorn some respect by not just moving Zorn aside completely. He kept Zorn working with Campbell and allowed Zorn to run the two-minute offense. He also kept Sherm Smith involved calling all of the runing plays. Sherm Lewis is a one of a kind guy based on some of the moves that he made and some he allowed others to make instead of him.
I am thinking about starting a new bandwagon. I might do away with LJP. The new moniker might be LSC or Let Sherm Coach!! We see how well my let jason pass bandwafon has worked.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that Serm lewis has acted with great respect (from what I can see from a fans point of view) and that he might be the guy as HC.
As I said in another post: I wanted a real GM and I got one so now I’m going to support whoever Allen brings in (or keeps).
by aFan4Life on Dec 18, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would be open to that thought of Sherm L >> HC
Still believe the least amount of change is best. Hope this hasn’t hurt our focus for MNF. I have a feeling we are going to rock Fedex!!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 18, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times will HTTR be played this monday night ??
Damn, that sounds like something that you could place a bet on now that we are scoring.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spermin' Sherman
didn’t come in and take over, because he wasn’t HIRED for that. He was hired to be an offensive consultant.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dback ?? He could have taken over any if not all of the offense if he had wanted.
Do you think Zorn allowed himself to only call plays during the two minute offense? Do you think Sherm Smith only allowed himself to call plays on running plays? Sherm Lewis even decides if we are going to run the ball. Sherm L. reports to Dan not Jim Zorn. This means that Sherm L. is in a postion of authority over Jim Zorn.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I DON'T think "Zorn allowed himself to only call plays during the two minute offense".
I think Vinny Cerrato mandated it to him. And Sherm Lewis does NOT “decide if we are going to run the ball”. Lewis makes playcall suggestions to Zorn, who then conveys the play to JCam. But Zorn, ultimately, has final say.
I’m guessing that Cerrato and Snyder “heavily suggested” it to Zorn that he give more responsibility to Spermin’ Sherman, but Sherm doesn’t even talk to Campbell during the game.
It’s not like Snyderato hired Sherman Lewis and said to him, “Okay, you’re now head coach. You can do whatever you want to Jim Zorn.” They hired him because he came heavily recommended in the WCO, and they wanted Zorn to play more aggressively on that side of the ball. Then, when Zorn wasn’t making enough progress, they told him to let Lewis start calling some plays. But it’s not as if Lewis is in charge of Zorn. I’m sure Zorn thought that it would help him save his job. (Which, apparently, it didn’t, really.)
You’ve got this entire managerial tree in the wrong order. Zorn still sets up the game plan during the week and makes the final decision on which plays get called, and Zorn, ultimately, is still the head coach. He’s just ceded most of the responsibility of deciding individual plays to Sherm.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I must have missed something because I have never seen your play calling scenario
mentioned anywhere before. Sherm Lewis decides run or pass. If it is a run play then Sherm Smith calls the run play. From my understanding Sherm S. radios the calls into JC 17. I heard that Zorn was doing the game planning but Zorn ceding play calling he did not have a choice. He should not have ceded it he would have gotten fired then he could have gotten paid. The only problem is he knew that his next job would not be that of a head coach.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 18, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the consensus on Shanahan in Broncos Country is that while his tenure had grown stale his last three years in Denver, he’s still a great coach.
My only question is that Dan Snyder seems like a younger Al Davis to me. I’m not sure that Shanny would work with Snyder without some kind of guarantee that the owner will keep his nose out of the coaching business.
by Velveeta on Dec 18, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan/Allen package deal
supposedy Shanahan told Buffalo that the only way he’d go to Buffalo is if Allen was his GM
by BostonSkinsFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really? Verrrry interesting.
Hmmm….. I wonder if Allen was a junior executive when Shanahan was HC of the Raiders.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
::checks Wiki::
Nope, looks like he wasn’t.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sherm Lewis
Sherman Lewis seems like a good man and could be a good coach (and ought to be considered here, although his age makes me wonder if he would be up to a job that even Joe Gibbs couldn’t handle at a similar age). Teams ought to get the coach they think will work best, and race should not be a factor. But none of that makes the Rooney rule any less idiotic. Just as an example, what if Snyder always liked and admired Shanahan, and always wanted him as his coach, but Mike was never available at the right time? And now Snyder needs a coach, and Mike is available. I.e., Snyder knows who he wants. Why should he have to look elsewhere, waste his time with token interviews, go through any kind of process?
by Donnio1234 on Dec 18, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That was EXACTLY the reason
for which the Rooney Rule was instituted. There were hardly any minority head coaches in the NFL, and it was only old white guys that kept getting hired and rehired. Without injecting some new blood into the mix for coaching positions, you’re never going to break the cycle of institutionalized racism that’s a legacy of decades of the NFL. And, you know what? It’s worked. The Rooney Rule has been credited, at least, for a guy like Mike Tomlin getting hired. (That I’m aware of) And until Romeo Crennel was fired, we had more minority head coaches than ever before
Were more minority head coaches eventually going to be hired even without the Rooney Rule? Of course. I don’t believe it was willful prejudice on the part of the NFL ownership caste, but it was the kind of subtle, unconscious racism that says, “Jimmy Clausen will sell more jerseys than Jason Campbell” without any thought to actual relative performance.
Now, there’s a recent addendum to the rule that exempts you from having to go through the motions if you’re promoting from within, but I’m not sure if it has to be in the assistant’s contract to begin with. All in all, I think the Rooney Rule has been a good addition to the NFL’s hiring practices. It guarantees that minority candidates get at least a CHANCE to impress in an interview, yet it doesn’t force franchises to hire people from a certain race.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think it will be Gruden
Yesterday on SportsTalk 980, a former Redskins beat reporter who now writes for the NFL Network said Grudens contract is “Ironclad” and he has to give them one more year. Everyone seems to be spot on about what’s going on, and I’m probably not saying anything new. Shannyclaus is coming to town!!! This should be an exciting time for all of us!
by tblowe10 on Dec 18, 2009 11:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Which reporter? JLC?
I’m surprised that Gruden doesn’t have an out clause, but I suppose after getting fired, and being one of the younger HCs in the league, he doesn’t exactly have a lot of leverage.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shannahan is the wrong choice....
for this team, why is it so hard for one to see that? He was a good coach when Jimmie Johnson was a good coach, or for that matter Joe Gibbs. Even when he was successful, his teams got owned by the NFC East , now he’ll have to play five games here. there’s been a lot of discussion that his downfall resulted in his somewhat limited talent evaluations. In view of our new general manager, how the heck do you think that is going to work?
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 18, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan was 3-1 vs the Redskins
and in the 90’s everyone was owned by the Cowboys thanks to the Hershel Walker trade.
You’re the same guy who thought we won against Shanahan in the Super Bowl when he wasn’t even coach of the Broncos then.
How about some real facts?
by aFan4Life on Dec 19, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SHANNAHAN....
was either the offensive coordinator or the quarterbacks coach for Denver in the time. I’m talking about. He was fired by Dan Reeves after getting in the middle of the tiff between Elway and Reeves.
Shanahan Super Bowl victories came against the Atlanta Falcons and the Green Bay Packers not the NFC East. His victories against the Redskins are against Norv Turner…
the reason Dallas was so dominant then, decent defense, dominant run offense, and a solid gain management type quarterback in Aikman. Classic NFC East formula. The Eagles have been trying to run a form of West Coast offense in our division for the last 10 years, no championships. Dallas has tried to transition from a run-based offense to a past-based offense after the loss of Emmitt Smith with even less success.
Shannahan hasn’t shown me anything in the last 10 years other than mediocrity, why do you like him so much?
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan
RUNS the WCO. Just a run-heavy variation of it.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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