New Look Redskins
by Tiller56 on Dec 17, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Here's what to expect:
GM - Bruce Allen(I like this alot)
Head Coach - Mike Shanahan
O Coordinator - Kyle Shanahan(will be groomed to take over for his father)
O Line Coach - Alex Gibbs(comes over from Houston to help implement zone blocking scheme)
D Coordinator - ? (i would love it to be Gray, but I think Shanahan has him own guy already picked)
New Looks:
WCO/Verticle passing game
Zone Blocking running game
3-4 defense (yeah I know everyone hates this,but lets see how it works before some bash it)
What the staff will want:
1. Developed, atheletic, offensive line
2. Versatile RB (great runner, who can also catch the ball well out of the backfield)
3. Smart, instinctive QB with big arm (sorry, I don't believe this will be JC17)
4. Agressive D
Key FA's who could fit the system:
Logan Mankins OG (pats) he is adapt at running the zone blocking scheme, and should hit the FA market
Brandon Marshall WR (den) He will be tough to pull away, but he loved Shanahan when he was in denver
Elvis Dummerville OLB (den) Again, with the season he is having, will be tough to pull away
Draft:
1 Jimmy Clausen - has the big arm, smarts and varsatility Shanahan is looking for. Doesn't turn the ball over, and ran a pro style ofense at ND. Shanahan wants to put his own stamp on the team, so look for this to start at the QB position.
2 Ciron Black OT LSU - Has good feet for a big guy, and if LT or RT don't work out, he can always be moved to G
2 Look for us to recoup another 2nd via trade or compensation for loosing a RFA. Ryan Matthews RB Fresno St - Is a tough downhill runner, who excells at catching the ball out of the backfield.
other needs:
C - Matt Tennant Boston College
RB - Evan Royster PSU
OT/OG - Dennis Landolt PSU
LB - ???
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This post scares the crap out of me
Too much change, yes it could happen but if it does the Redskins will need 2 or 3 years to recover.
And then after 2 to 3 years it will start over and owner Daniel Snyder will continue the legacy of Losing.
AAAAAGGHHHHH!!!!!
There is not ONE good thing, except maybe C. Black, that I saw in this post. Clausen?!!!! OMG!!
We will never get Marshall or Dummerville out of Denver – that is wishful nonsense.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I mean seriously, Tiller,
You scare the bejebus out of me.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think whenever someone seriously suggests we draft Clausen
the rest of what they say can be safely disregarded. After all, if we wanted Clausen, we could’ve just stuck with Vinny.
We should draft Jimmy Clausen
Carver thinks Meghan Fox is HOT!!
We should draft Jimmy Clausen. Carver watches football and not cooking shows on Sundays.
We should draft Jimmy Clausen. Carver will win the lottery.
What's with all this Clausen talk?
Seriously, a whole post just to say we should draft Jimmy Clausen three times? I don’t get it.
Ha
Common Scott
You don’t think that with all the rumblings this scenerio couldn’t happen. Again, I will say, not all of this is what I want to happen, rather what I believe will happen. Also, tell me this. What is wrong with a solid FA lineman like Logan Mankins, a center like Matt Tennant, a OT like Black, a running back like Ryan Matthews a QB like Clausen and resigning Jevi Jones. If you ask most, they would say that is a pretty damn good offseason and one hell of a draft.
I'd take Mankins
in a heartbeat. As long as we don’t OVERPAY for him. The rest of what you say sounds very good as well. Until you get to the part where you say…
We should draft Jimmy Clausen.
First of all, what has Clausen done to deserve being taken in the 1st round?2nd, even if you look past his glaring lack of accomplishments, what exactly are you doing? You’re talking about bringing in a 28 year old veteran guard (who I DOUBT would join a rebuilding project), to go with your 29 year old $100mil D-tackle and your 36 year old,defensive anchor, MLB.
No, we don’t need a rookie QB starting next year. And for everyone who says “Well look at Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco”, I say, yeah, go ahead and look at them. Tell me how well they’re doing now. Bottom line – rookie QB’s take time to develop. Without the total demolition of this team, we don’t have that time.
Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco
also benefitted from great offensive lines and strong running games. They were really just game-managers, for lack of a better term.
Both have totally enjoyed
the Sophomore Jinx, too. Not every decision is an immediate step forward.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
lineman can play well into their 30's
barring serious injury. I’ll take 4-5 good years from Mankins.
Look at Aaron Rodgers...
that is the proper way to groom a QB…besides the Brett Favre shenanigans. Have the QB sit on the sidelines and watch how to properly manage a game and lead a team of grown men, let him get hungry for his leadership position. Do not bring in a rookie QB with a garbage offensive line and mediocre running game or else you will have another JP Losman, Matt Leinart, Patrick Ramsay, David Carr, Joey Harrington, blah blah blah. Random Fact: Aaron Rodgers was selected the pick right before Jason Campbell.
the only thing scarier
is keeping the current staff and having this same circus next year.
Any new head coach and GM
are going to want to bring change. The only chance we had of somewhat stability would to have hired Mike Holmgram. He too would have wanted his own players running his system. As fans, we have to believe this is the start of massive changes, that can only help a beligured franchise.
That would so make my day.
Russ Grimm and keep Sherm Lewis, J. l Gray and even Smith if he wants to. With him helping Allen judge O-line talent on draft day we should be as rich in linemen in a few years as we are now with TE’s.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
We could get a cheap RB
from the Old Folks Home and they could walker their way down field.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'll show up
if they have open tryouts. Probably could muster a 1300yd. season while splitting carries.
offfense
what kind of offense does russ grimm usually run?
also i heard doug williams might come to DC as some management exec
by word2bigbird on Dec 17, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
well I would expect Mr. Allen
may have some ideas himself on what is needed.
First he has to evaluate the team structure, figure out what is working and what isn’t. Then he has to evaluate the team itself and determine what coach/staff/players are retained or not.
Based on those decisions, we can then start talking draft. We have to let this guy decide on what is viable, and what isn’t. For all we know, he may well keep Zorn and Campbell. Is it likely? no, but at this point it’s simply too soon to tell. Let’s let him catch his breath and roll up his sleeves first before we start to armchair his decisions for him.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
You don't think the hiring of Allen
was predicated on there already being a silent deal in place on who the next coach will be?? If Zorn and Campbell were the responsibility of Vinny, and Danny had made up him mind that both were going to be retained at seasons end, don’t you think he would have kept Vinny around so he could have taken some of the credit? Read the writing on the wall. Zorn is gone. Campbell is gone. This is a major overhaul.
I'm hoping no
Bruce Allen, needs to come in and evaluate from the inside what he has as the GM of the Redskins,
If something was in place before his hire then he needs to define that now and the Redskins can look forward to a 3 to 5 year team building process…
I tend to believe in some respects Snyder has to know this, and he wants to win now. Snyder does not want to change coaches again, he’s hired a GM to evaluate and produce a winner now. That means no Major overhaul.
It may be that no one has decided
either way whether this is a blow up or progression into next year. As you’ve said, let’s let Allen do a little stand back without all the organizational political crap and come up with a plan. If he shows he’s thought it through and the plan makes sense I say go for it.
I’m just sticking to my conservative nature because I think we have a lot of things that we can build on without changing the system.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
I agree with you? :P
That’s right, I agree that the hiring of Allen does not automatically mean Zorn and JC are gone. It wouldn’t surprise me though.
I say that now we have what we asked for: a real GM. So let’s support him! If he decides Zorn isn’t the problem then I’m behind Zorn all the way but if he brings in a different HC then I’m behind that guy all the way too.
Great Point
I say that now we have what we asked for: a real GM. So let’s support him
Exactly…..for ages Skins fan have wanted a Competent GM to come in, evaluate and make football decisions…. so now that is done we should do exactly what you just said, trust his judgement
Pommylee
It also doesn't make sense for Dan
to stand up and announce that Bruce will be making all the decisions while at the same time insisting on some pre-employment agreement that Zorn stays or goes or that Snyder has already decided the new HC.
Allen would never have gone for that to get the job.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
It is our job as bloggers
to armchair everything immediately. But we do need to let the guy do his work, you are right.
Colt
Nobody mentioned that Colt Brennan is coming back. I think Jason has really improved – starting to see the field better – but Colt is a playmaker, and he might be as good as Clausen. Anybody want Charley Weis for offensive coordinator? He was good enough for Bill Belichick, and his failure at Notre Dame was because of an absolutely horrible defense – they kept losing 38-35 games.
We'll have to see Colt next preseason
before we decide if he’s even good enough to be our #2. He sucked last preseason. He sucked bad.
I know I am just making a point. He could not even out play the guy we releasesd.
by LETJASONPASS on Dec 17, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Allen was great hirer,vinnie is gone,here comes Shanahan,to save the day,Good bye J.campbell
Colt will be back-up QB,IF we can keep him healthy enough.Bradford or Tebow will be 1 of our new QB"s. J.Campbell is gone hopefully for a 1st and 3rd draft picks, the better he plays down the stretch,the better draft pick will will get. It only took him 5 yrs. to finally get how to become a QB? Sometimes he forgets how to play QB.He is now audiction for another qb job,hope we have some takers,it cost us a 1st round draft pick to draft him,now we want it back. Time to Rebuild.
by CHAOS-BRINGER on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
cost us more that a 1st round to get him
you’re dreaming if you think someone’s giving up a first a and a 3rd for him (not a knock against him though)
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I know that
I just don’t know of any teams that would pull the trigger for that price (the picks)
SpotieOtieDopalicious
As stated...that is why the "ball" is in the Redskins court
A simple 2.5 million tender, then it takes a 1st and 3rd for another team to sign him.
Win-Win for the Redskins
Campbell stays or
Campbell goes and the Redskins get draft picks.
Yes!
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
I thought
Gibbs was still the O-line coach in Atlanta?
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
he is...
but Tiller apparently has the power to see into the future and has already mapped out the inevitable future of the ’Skins. For some reason he refuses to share his tips on the stock market with the rest of us…. ;-)
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
People are quick to turn against an idea they don't like
but read the writing on the wall. As for the draft, it is way too early to read the writing this soon, so it’s all speculation as to who will be avaliable when we draft, and who that pick will be. All i’m going to say is don’t be surprised if both Clausen and Bradford are on our wish list.
I scout high school football, and project how these players will fit in at the next level. In my experience both Clausen and Bradford will become good pros. I also do a lot of research into the college game, and know players and positions very well. I am simply trying to provide some insight on draft prospects based on our needs and players who may be avaliable.
Sorry if my opinions on our future offend anyone. I have been saying for 3 months that Shanahan is on his way to DC. I have also said we will take a QB with our first pick. I have recently said if Shanahan is hired we will switch to the 3-4. I stand by all of this, so we’ll just have to wait and see if i’m full of S%$# or not.
For which college
do you scout HS players?
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 22, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
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