Bruce Allen: A Draft History
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 10:56 AM EST
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PrintLet's take a look at the draft history of the new Redskins Exec. VP of Blah Blah Blah and ::gasp:: GENERAL MANAGER.
I'm only looking at his stint in Tampa Bay and I didn't look into player injuries, so keep that in mind when I say a player only played so many games in a given season. Draft results can be found here.
Allen was hired to GM the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in 2004. In the draft that year he selected Michael Clayton, WR, 15th overall. Clayton had an incredible rookie season and then faded into oblivion.
His 5th round pick in 2004 was Jeb Terry, OG. Terry played 3 seasons in the NFL, but this pick kicks off a trend that should give Redskins fans something to be optimistic about.
2005 was TB's best draft under Allen. They selected Cadillac Williams 5th overall and Barrett Ruud 36th. Both had an immediate impact and led the team to an 11-5 record, an NFC South title, and a Wild Card matchup with your Washington Redskins. I hope you can forgive us, Bruce, if we forgive you for that last-second win over us the same season.
In the 4th round of the 2005 draft, TB drafted another OG, Dan Buenning, who started all 16 games his rookie year, but he too faded into oblivion and is no longer in the league.
Brace yourself, because here's where things get foreign for Redskins fans.
In the 1st round of the 2006 draft TB drafted ANOTHER OG, Davin Joseph, 23rd overall. Wow, could it be? A GM in Washington who understands the value of OL? Joseph made the Pro Bowl once but has only played in 2 games in 2009.
Jeremy Trueblood, OT, was selected in the 2nd round of the 2006 draft. He started 45 games in his first 3 seasons in the league, but has only played 3 games in 2009. This is a promising trend, right?
In the 2007 draft, TB took Gaines Adams 4th overall, and Arron Sears, OT, 35th. Sears started 31 games in 2007-8, but there is no indication he has played any games in 2009. Please correct me if that's wrong. Tampa Bay would win the NFC South title in 2007.
In 2008, Allen's final draft as GM in Tampa Bay, Aqib Talib was taken in the 1st. They drafted another OG, Jeremy Zuttah, in the 3rd round. Zuttah started 5 games his rookie season and has played in 4 games in 2009 with no starts.
Could this be the change we're looking for? A GM who understands the value of an OL? Allen's track record drafting skill players, like Clayton and Bruce Gradkowski in the 6th round of the 2006 draft, is a bit shaky, but I'm cautiously optimistic given the attention he's paid to the OL in the early rounds of drafts.
After all, we know who really calls the shots at Redskins Park.
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Good work.
I was looking around for something like this. I think it’s important to note that the Barrett Ruud and Cadillac Williams picks were a strong contributing factor to the Bucs making the playoffs that year (to the pessimists who say he only made it on Dungy’s team).
At least
Allen will have quite a bit more cash to work with here. Especially if the cap doesn’t return.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
I AM
slightly worried about the fact that so many of his picks didn’t really pan out, though. But, of course, I’m also optimistic that we might actually ZOMG draft an offensive lineman or three.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not extremely worried about that
as I think Buges would have some type of input on the linemen we bring in.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Staff
The scouting staff has as much input into the players selected ast the GM
Key as pointed out, the type of players drafted, a focus on the line is great.
Nice Reggie
Not the most glowing lineup of draft picks, cadillac being the biggest star and he was a no-brainer that year. I does seem however, that he understands the pieces you need. And thats awesome.
Everyone keeps saying that its so clear that Gruden is next in line, but if you’re a GM and your first stint doesn’t go all that well (its not like TB was a dynasty) would you really want to go back to only what you know? What was the relationship between Allen and Gruden? Gruden seems like an in-your-face kind of guy. Wouldn’t Allen want to see what he could put together without pressure from Gruden?
According to the press release, he was named the NFL Executive of the Year back in 2002 I think. He’s got the qualifications, you gotta think he would love the idea of a completely fresh start.
I don't think Gruden will be the next coach.
Unless Dan changes his approach dramatically. Gruden is too strong a personality.
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
That's a great point that I hadn't considered
I don’t like the idea of Shanny either though. Hopefully he has his own guy in mind. I’m ready to see what Bruce Almighty can do.
OK, this is good....
The emphasis is totally where we need it to be on the O-L. But does he have to blow it all up? I’m still reluctant to ditch all we have.
Will he keep Sherm Lewis? HC, OC or both?
I suspect Zorn will be gone or JC’s personal QB coach if he wants to stay
Gray at D?
Guess it all depends on who the coach will be.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Also,
will we keep the guy who drafted Horton in the 7th round?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Was Cerrato
Not the person who drafted Horton? Or wasn’t he at least the main person who drafted Horton?
I'm a bit confused...
someone had posted that there was someone in the FO that was responsible for late round picks, suggesting it had to be someone other than Vinny. I must have bit off on it being true. And there is my true confession of the day. That and the dance floor debacle. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I assumed
that was somebody else’s assumption.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Scott Campbell
Was promoted and is in charge of pro and college scouting.
I believe he is considered one of the best in finding and recomending top players.
Which would include Horton, he was initialy just in charge of College scouting during the early part of the decade, which when the Redskins kept their draft picks they did seem to draft good players.
It's encouraging
That Allen realizes that the OL needs to be addressed. In fact, it’s very encouraging in comparison to what we’ve been accustomed to with Cerrato. However, Allen didn’t pick too many players that panned out, or made a significant impact on the team for years. Does anyone know how much of it was Allen and the scouting department not picking the best players, or was it the fact that there weren’t many good players to begin with in those drafts?
Nothing really jumps out at me.
You can see full results of each draft by year here.
Steven Jackson, Shawn Andrews, and Michael Jenkins were all on the board when TB took Micheal Clayton. Jenkins is still productive in ATL, so if they were targeting WRs in the 1st round that looks to be a mistake.
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair
isnt it fairly well ackowledged then when picking in the 1st Rd (particuarly early in the 1st Rd) and your area of need is WR, that this is pretty much the toughest position group to project a career for, I could be wrong but it is my understanding that a lot of 1st Rd Busts are WR’s and at the time they are picked they are usually the consensus highest rated WR (excluding Heyward-Bey to Oakland last year of course who was seen as a mid 3rd Rounder at best)
Pommylee
Yeah....
wideouts are pretty much a crapshoot at best.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Finally
An intelligent response. Starting to think these dudes hate numbers.
by ReggieBullits on Dec 18, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
Its a good move bringing in Allen
Aqib Talib is a good player too. The bucs were never big players in free agency, I think Allen givin a blank cheque from snider could bring in some better guys than you have in previous offseasons.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions
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