Vinny Cerrato Given the Pink Slip; Redskins Waiting List Back
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 17, 2009 8:42 AM EST
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We all know the reality; Vinny Cerrato was fired. Cerrato has been getting publicly bashed by some of the most respected names in the industry, Charley Casserly, Steve Largent and Mike Holmgren included. It had gotten to the point where Snyder was unable to recruit coaches because of Cerrato's presence and that is exactly what it is.
The Redskins have found their new coach/GM and his condition is that Cerrato is gone. As PFT mentioned, Holmgren makes a lot of sense. He has an affinity for Zorn and the WCO pieces are in place...assuming of course is allowed to keep a role in D.C.
In addition, Mr. Snyder's popularity had reached lows lower than Tiger Woods. He knew this move would restore parts of his fan base and cash train popularity. All I can say is rejoice Redskins Nation. The Revolution has come full circle. The tailgating parties on Monday night are going to be at Super Bowl levels.
Update: [Official Redskins Press Release]
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Agreed
Merry Christmas Skins fans. And Vinny, wherever you are, I wish you a sucky Christmas and a gory New Year!
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 17, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
instead you get the guy who ruined the Bucks...
Merry Christmas from The Grincsnyder.
Ruined the Bucs?
You mean the same Bucs that went 45-51 during his tenure? I wouldn’t exactly call that “ruining” them. They also won the division twice in his six years as GM. Before that, on his watch, the Raiders won the AFC West for the first time in 10 years and went 60-52, winning their division for three years in a row, then went 28-81 after he left and haven’t won more than five games in a season?
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
I would call it painfully mediocre.
You mean the same Bucs that went 45-51 during his tenure? I wouldn’t exactly call that "ruining" them
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Well...
They were a SB team before they went 45-51.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 18, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
So when contracts expired and he replaced talent... and the record is....
2004- 5-11
2005- 11-5*
2006- 4-12
2007 9-7* 9-7
2008
funny how numbers can be skewed. Winning a division with 9-7 is awful. But, if that is what you crave. congrats!!!!
by brettpedigo on Dec 18, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Blame Gruden more than Allen.
Allen had more success in Oakland because he was working with Al Davis to build a team roster, and Al Davis may be totally insane, but I’ll take his opinion (TEMPERED BY ALLEN… that’s a BIG caveat) over Gruden’s any day of the week.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
He also
went 7-9 in 2003.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Viva La Revalucion!!!
I guess Dan finally saw through all the crap and took stock of his options. Big question:
Does JC stay or go? One of the really early draft projections has the Redskins taking Sam Bradford in the #7 slot of the first round.
I still say stay with JC>
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
VIVA LA REVOLUTION!
Driving on the Beltway, I heard the news and couldn’t help myself: I rolled down my window, and with frigid air blowing across my face I informed the world, over and over that “IT’S A CELEBRATION BITCHES!”
So that was you...:)
You cut me off while laughing hysterically. And I’m quite happy about that!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
tooo funny
how could you even think about not getting Bradford??? If he stays healthy hes gonna be one of ther great QBs in the nfl.. an it would be about tim we had a good one again!!! I loved jason Cambell but he just dont seen to be able to cut it!!
by poolstickstroker on Dec 17, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
if he stays healthy
sorry, I’d rather see the pick spent on someone who actually is healthy and not a separated shoulder away from the IR …. again…. you know the division we play in right? The OL that we currently have in place?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
I hope the next GM is one of great football knowledge and a backbone to say no to Danny.
This news made my week.
I know
your fingers are typing even as the brain says “no.” But you laugh anyway and hit the post button.
I got the same affliction.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
The Revolution isn't over
Snyder must sell or change.
A full, complete, change.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
How much does it suck to be a Brown’s fan this morning? How much does it suck to wake up in Cleveland every morning though?
especially when they wake up and LeCrab-dribble has moved to NYC
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 17, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I heard they lost in another horrible way last night
I’m glad I didnt stay up for it, and I decided not to look and see how. The Wiz are unwatchable. They don’t pass the ball at all and never follow their shots. Same broken record for the last 5 years.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 17, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yea
I was finishing a paper and needed a distraction at 1 AM, down by 1 with under 10 seconds, Gilbert drives and turns it over. But this is neither the place nor the time. Sorry everyone for bringing these bad vibes in here.
ITS A CELEBRATION BITCHES!
Honestly, The Wiz are completely unwatchable
I have never seen a team as unhappy as they are. But honestly, if I had to put that atrocity of a jersey on, I would be a sour puss to. I mean who designed it? a kindergarden class?
by brettpedigo on Dec 17, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Skins-Wiz-Caps?
I really hope the Caps don’t catch this losing disease. Similar to how the Skins started earlier this season the Wiz are flat out LOSERS. Watching their games this week is more painful than the skins—the wiz play and lose heartbreakers 3x a week!
Bring back Charley Casserly
And for the love of all that’s Redskins, keep Jason Campbell. We’ll do a LOT worse than him, and we need OLine so much more.
Oh, and it’s nice to now be able to wear my Redskins clothing again… I was boycotting expressing my love for the team until Cerratto is gone… considering my heavy winter coat is Redskins, and the temperature dropped to near freezing, I’m going to be warm tomorrow!
You mean while Norv was coach?
Other than saying “Once (2000)”, ’nuff said by mentioning Norv and the fact that Norv was chosen by JKC.
It was Norv’s faul!?!?! Norv coached the Texans too? You don’t hold the GM accountable for like 10+ years of mediocrity?
I wasn't including the Texans
because historically, expansion clubs suck for years. Only time that didn’t happen was the Jags/Panthers, and that was such a fiasco, the league went back out and made sure that expansion teams would suck for years.
Texans/Browns, any one?
Charley did a good job for the Redskins. But it doesn’t matter, since it’s now official that Bruce Allen has been hired.
I believe this has something to do with the coming changes in Dallas
just as much as anything. With the Cowboys in playoff contention thay cannot get rid of Phillips yet, even though their December woes continue. I am guessing that Dan doesn’t wan’t to get into a bidding war or any kind of a competition for a new GM, coach or whoever he wants. So it’s much easier to do it now and eliminate the competition. A move I actually applaud Dan for making.
Now let’s see who’s behind door number #1.
It can't be under-stated
That whoever does come in will not be a push-over like Snyder. The toxins of the previous 10 years were exposed and no sensible guy will deal with that…in fact, it will probably be in his contract to stay out like it was for Gibbs.
Cerrato
I love how in Cerrato’s final statement he gives thanks to working with great coaches like Joe Gibbs and Sherman Lewis. Haha..is he patting himself on the back one last time for Sherm Lewis? Kind of a kick in the nuts to Zorn….and Cerrato brought Zorn in.
Yeah, Zorn is trashing himself
HE hired Zorn
HE forced Zorn on this franchise
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Classy
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 17, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
If you don’t rec’ this..you’re wrong
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 17, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions
Wow...my lunch with Ken Harvey this afternoon just got a lot more interesting
If any of you guys have questions you want me to ask Harvey, comment below this questions and I’ll include them.
Ask him about 'Rak and how he compaires to other pass-rushers he's seen
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 17, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Or his opion on weither he can make the transition to LB
or stay at DE bc he’s sick there.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 17, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
But...but...
Christmas isn’t for another week!
Not too fond of Holmgren’s drafting over the years, so I’m maintaining hope that there’s a dark horse in this GM race.
Bruce Allen
Wikipedia is already saying he’s the GM and Homer McFanboy just posted that rumor is an announcement is coming coming soon.
Wiki link
I know anyone can edit wiki pages but…interesting…
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
His track record in TB is none too promising
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
He didn't build the strength of those teams
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I have a post coming tomorrow on Bruce...
It’s not good. He was known to be a Yes Man for Gruden.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 17, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Oh great
Another “Yes Man”
Could Allen be worst than Cerrato? I’m seriously beginning to get worried that this might be true.
Let's take the wait and see approach on this one
I think it would be prudent for us to take a look at what happens over the next few months before we start making any kind of decisions about how he’s going to do things.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Of course
I’m not going into this thinking the worst (which would be a GM somehow worse than Cerrato). But according to reports on Allen, as Kevin said, it’s not looking all that great. I would have liked us to have hired someone from the Eagles, Patriots, Colts, Baltimore, etc… I wanted Snyder to hire someone based on their track record, instead of hiring someone based on their last name, or based on what their father was able to accomplish.
Oh god no...
Bruce Allen is the WORST….people in Tampa, who have ties to the organization, said Bruce Allen is WORSE than Cerrato. god dammit.
Typical Dan "Redskins fan" Snyder
His thought process is as transparent as saran wrap. “I’ll hire George’s son and all the old-time Skins fans will celebrate my genius by coming back out to the park! You’re brilliant Danny. I know, Danny. I know.”
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
well I heard that the ownership in Tampa
was tight with the coin, because they were so intent on buying the majority stake in the MAN U soccer club. So I’m not sure exactly if Allen had the free reign there that most GM’s enjoy if the purse was already tight, that makes it’s hard to do a good job if you don’t have the cash to build a winner.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Great...
Let’s follow up good news with bad (in a matter of seconds). Bruce Allen? Are you kidding me? And Jon Gruden? Nooooo
“The arrival of Allen undoubtedly would trigger speculation that the next move would be to dump coach Jim Zorn and pursue Jon Gruden, who partnered with Allen both in Oakland and Tampa.”
Gruden has said a lot of things about not getting back into coaching yet.
My guess is Zorn gets another year and when Gruden is tired of mopping up for Jaws in the MNF booth, then he’ll be the next head coach.
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Well... Jon probably wouldn't say no to at least meeting Dan for discussions
Dan: How does $5 mil a year sound?
Jon: I’m taking no less than $7 mil a year.
Dan: You know what, how about I just give you a blank check with my signature and you put down the amount you think you deserve.
Jon: When do I begin?
Dan: (In his mind saying “I’m a genius!”)
If things go the way I outlined above, which is entirely possible given the individual running the show, ladies and gentlemen we have a new head coach! LOL
by word2bigbird on Dec 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
"We are your biggest fans"
I get the quote.
IMO, at worst this is a lateral move if indeed it is Allen.
But the fact that it is just a change at that position will be refreshing and a chance to get out of the funk that Ceratto had around him is a very good thing.
Bruce Allen has been around football long enough to know the likes of any of the major coaches that are out their.
The hopeless optimist in me
gives this the benefit of the doubt.
I am interested in reading up about Allen later, but if it is indeed a lateral move then thats not necessary all that bad in terms of player evaluation.
I think Vinny’s approach and relationship with Snyder were more of the problem than Vinny as a talent evaluator and decision maker. He needed to go to start clearing the dark cloud away from Redskins park, as CJHutch would say. Change is good people, Holmgren would have been just as questionable and so would any of the currently out-of-work GMs. And the coach/GM combo is dumb too. If he is given autonomy from Snyder, we can only improve.
+1
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 17, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Why do I feel like some guy just ran off
with my girlfriend leaving me on the dance floor all alone in tears?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
It's like Uncle Danny gave us a nice shiny new bike for Christmas
And then popped the tires.
by ReggieBullits on Dec 17, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
obviously you need
to listen to more early Elvis Costello
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Apparently
it was too good to be true. Holmgren, Sherm Lewis, Jim Zorn with Jason just had too much synergy, momentum and good karma to be true.
Interesting how we will play MNF and to hear Gruden gloat about his next job as Skins HC. God I want to barf.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Geeze
just this fast the wind went out of everyone’s sails.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Sorry, I'm the most optimistic cynic you will ever run across (or over) :)
I was high as a kite when I heard the news about Vinny and thought we as a franchise had the opportunity for real change while keeping my sanity about the “continuity issue.” Now, it looks like all my worst nightmares are coming about:
Bruce Allen is a turd
He will bring Gruden, a bigger turd
Jason, Zorn, and probably Sherm Lewis will be gone along with (most likely the DC and STC)
We will waste high draft picks on a prima donna QB we don’t need and delay rebuilding our line and shoring up our secondary.
What’s not to like?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
On a cheerful note!!
None of my prognostications have come through so far. Let’s hope the trend continues!! LOL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
the word is that Gruden's contract
makes it extremely unlikely that he could/would leave the broadcast booth at this time.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Seriously man, chill out?
If I would of told you yesterday that Vinny Cerrato would resign tomorrow, then you would be the happiest guy in the world. Now that its already happend your back to bitching within less than an hour of us hearing Cerrato resigned.
BE HAPPY!
Are we surprised?
I have a feeling that a lot of Skins fans don’t really know how to not bitch about something.
gee, 10 years of mediocre, 20 years of being awful
I wonder why
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
always fall back on ad hominem when you have nothing to say.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Bruce Allen
I like the move. He has the GM title, which signals a big change in how things are going to be run moving forward. Plus he is George Allen’s son, so he knows what this team means to us.
by liger99 on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does he have the GM title?
Redskins Insider said he was the new executive vice president of blah blah blah blah. Links would be much appreciated for where folks are getting their info.
they are saying it on espn 980
they are calling it insider information, but they work for Danny…so it seems legit.
haha i wasn't sure if you had posted responding to mine or not
what a ridiculous mouthful of a title
This only makes sense
Danny (once again) wants to make a BIG move. The only way to make another BIG move is to hire a big name coach/GM and give them “full control.”
All I know is that the guy they hire better get that “full control” stuff in his contract.
"We few, we happy few, we band of brothers" Henry V
MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
THE BEST NEWS IVE HEARD FROM THE REDSKINS IN A WHILE!!
keep portis for next season. trade cooley for 1st round pick or o-line
Whoa there, big fella
I believe you got that ass backwards.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I Like Hiring Allen, IF ...
He doesn’t hire Gruden as coach. I’d rather keep the current group on than bring in Gruden, who is an over-rated windbag who only won the SB Switzer style – with Tony Dungy’s team.
Colt McCoy?
Why would you wish that on our franchise?! WE NEED OFFENSIVE LINEMAN!! Not a marquee QB. What would be the point in getting rid of Cerrato to pull a textbook Cerrato move?
by DoWork on Dec 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Something tells me
he was just speculating as to how happy losing his virginity might make him feel.
Good celebratory song
Here’s a great song to mark the end of Vinny Cerrato’s tenure over our franchise:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJ3LH5cZ11s&feature=PlayList&p=FA409065EC060DA0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9&shuffle=4364
Orignally made for the fall of John Howard in Australia, but I think the lyrics are just as applicable here.
Mike Holmgern ..... Please we do not need John "Chuckie" Gruden ....
It would be nice then if we keep Sherm L. as OC. Since they have worked together before. It was said by several that Sherm was scouting for Mike when he decided to take this job.
after publicly bashing dan snyder all season, i have to give him kudos for doing what most people, myself included, did not think he would do. I hope Bruce works out. At least he has genuine experience.
by les boulez bomber on Dec 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions
AFTER THE JUBILATION DIES DOWN, CONSIDER WHO STILL OWNS THE TEAM
This move was expected (just early). The pick was pure marketing. And the timeing? Fans will be excited JUST IN TIME TO BUY LICENSED CRAP FOR CHRISTMAS.
Dan’s no fool. He knows we all want to love the team again.
Let’s see if he can keep his hands off the team…
by savetheskins.com on Dec 17, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions
KEVIN...
So this guy was with the bucks for five years…. Didn’t he start with a team with superbowl talent? now he was fired five years later and the team he assembled is terrible. Worse than the Skins. Who came up with this?
I think this is another smokescreen for Snyder. Sell out your friend and mis-direct attention. They will not benefit from this. We are doomed under Snyder.. I mean 40 more years of DOOM!!!!!
I have an article coming out on that
It was Gruden not Bruce that takes the blame for the bad run in Tampa. Bruce made some good and bad moves…but it was Gruden who made all those horrible draft picks that killed that team.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 18, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
Cool!!
I do not know the whole history of the bucs…. I just figured Snyder is pulling the wool over our head with another name from our past.
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