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Pour Some Sugar On Me - Wrapping Up Raiders Recap, Kicking Off Giants Coverage

This was written before the Vinny news. As this article takes me hours to write, and this particular one includes a lot of content provided by you guys throughout the week, I decided to keep it in its current form. Feel free to incorporate the new era we find ourselves in into your comments below.

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As most of you know, I was invited to participate in a live segment of Comcast Sportsnet's Post Game Live broadcast this past Sunday. Kevin will be doing the San Diego Chargers game on January 3rd. I think I have set the bar rather low so expect Kevin to look like a superstar in comparison. Here is the video from the show, provided by the good folks over at CSN (to see the good work they are doing covering our favorite teams, click here.)


 

Ten Yard Fight - 10 Chances To Make One Good Point

Even though we are winning games now in what amounts to a "lost cause" of a season, it is still encouraging to see the passion and loyalty from the Redskins faithful. To suggest we don't care or that we don't pay attention just because playoffs are not a possibility would be patently false, and the debate raging on the recap post this week is evidence of this. In that spirit, for today's "Ten Yard Fight", I thought I would pick some of the comments from that discussion. Unlike James Woods (pictured below), when we solicit your feedback, we appreciate it.

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1) "I think Jason Campbell is a winner for this franchise if the right rebuilding steps are taken in the next few offseasons. We don't need a Brees or a brady-type to win games. That's not Redskins football. Keep Campbell." - CarverM

There is an overwhelming sentiment within the Redskins fanbase to bring back Jason Campbell. At this point in time, it is even conceivable that the front office folks here are strongly considering such a move. I will offer you guys this though: As you saw in the video from Sunday's Post Game Live, Brian Mitchell grilled me a little when I suggested that JC would want to come back next year. His point of course is that Jason Campbell has been treated so poorly by Snyder and Cerrato, he would take pleasure in walking away from those two. Whether or not you agree with the point of view, or the possibility that JC would take this stance, it remains a VERY valid point.

2) "Zorn got a 3 year contract, he should be allowed to finish it out." SkinsOsTerps

3) "...all of my [comments] regarding Zorn and keeping him next year were based on Sherm [Lewis] being OC full-time." Scott E

Hmmmmm...this issue is getting cloudier by the second. I mean, the debate over who gets the credit for our current success and who gets the blame for our past failure is RAGING. Hell, I made the case to keep Zorn a few weeks ago and even I'm not convinced right now it is the best thing to do. On one hand, I so desperately desire a move by this front office that points to a commitment not even to Zorn, but to stability and continuity. It would be easy to pin a lot of our failures in the last two seasons on Jim Zorn. It might even be fair. But the decision to continue down the road they committed to just two seasons ago would take a lot of backbone, and part of me wants to see that backbone brought to bear on this issue. It is conceivable that we could build on what is happening this season with Zorn at the head of it all. On the other hand, some of the situations and positions Zorn has put this team in over the last two seasons are simply unacceptable. We have gone over them ad nauseam so I won't re-state them here. Suffice to say that Snyder could base a firing decision on some very real reasons. Ultimately, while the "on-the-job" training approach has been kind of a bust, I am of the mind that we see it out the 3 years we gave it at the outset. Men like Jim Zorn often make you look good and smart if given an opportunity (has he only been given 2/3's of an opportunity so far?) To those of you out there who continue to very passionately articulate opposing opinions (GTS), let me assure you--you are getting through to me. But I look at this team and organization right now and I see plenty of "major shake-up" opportunities that don't include Jim Zorn.

4) Clinton is done: He is no longer the star back, and he needs to retire. dr WNC

5) If you can get rid of: Montana, Namath, OJ (OK, he's a double murderer), Emmitt Smith, Jerry Rice, Ricky Jackson (Saints), Favre...the NFL is a hardass hustle folks." Mark Antney

6) Wonder if we could [get] Leon Washington for an affordable price." BayAreaBullet

This was of course in reference to our lengthy Clinton Portis question: is he done? I don't think it would be fair to characterize the general sentiment of the fanbase as either anti-CP or even as a "he's worn out his welcome" kind of feeling. Instead, it would seem that (like CP himself) we all kind of see the future of this team moving away from Clinton Portis--the player and the persona. Portis has been like the sun and our offense and team has--at least in some respects--orbited around him. I don't think that is the direction this franchise is going to continue in and I think with specific regard to the gravitational pull of his personality, the move in a different direction will be deliberate. I do believe he is capable of carrying the ball productively in this league still, but to keep him around here would seem a lot like breaking up with your girlfriend but continuing to live with her. We can't dedicate entire gameplans to him anymore (nor should we given our budding passing game success) and I worry that he would not appreciate that. Not to mention it would be kind of like when Rocky came back to work in the gym for Mick. Do we really want to see one of the more mercurial backs we have had in this town carrying spit buckets?

7)  "It's a logical inference that unaccountable people in power at the front office & the coaching staff [level] would be thick as thieves." Grand Tanyon Sturtze

The initial topic was whether or not Greg Blache was the long-term answer for us at Defensive Coordinator. It was kind of a softball question, since many of us doubt that he even really wants to be here for the long-term (he was talked out of retirement to stay supposedly.) The commentary quickly split as fans of the same mind as GTS believe that there is something fishy with regard to the way Blache has handled himself here as of late. I don't necessarily agree, but I something about this statement reverberated in my head. To me, of all the douchebaggery that has transpired in recent years, Greg Blache has rarely if ever been at the epicenter, nor has he really ever been the target of my ire. Yet the "thick as thieves" part got me thinking...despite any short-term success we have enjoyed here in recent years (the current stretch included) it has felt at times that the front office is conspiring against any possible long-term success. Whether you believe that Zorn and/or Blache are complicit in this "conspiracy" (I do not believe this), the sheer fact we have this kind of thought is maddeningly depressing. To answer the original question, I don't think Blache is long for this franchise. The reason why is I think at some point the head coach is going to choose his own staff (correction, the head coach will be allowed to choose his own staff) and I question if Blache will be a new coach's first choice.

8) "I kinda see Clausen as having the attitude of Eli Manning with the talent of JaMarcus Russell." DbacksSkins

Wow...that is a pretty rough criticism of Clausen. That would be a horrible combination for a franchise quarterback. I seriously doubt that Snyder and Cerrato share this opinion, but I will say that I have serious reservations about Clausen and they are shared by people much smarter than me (isn't there a debate among the talking heads out there over whether or not Clausen is a good "locker room guy"?)

9) Mike Williams = "Comeback Player of the Year": Did anyone see Big Mike and his run blocking...he did a great job yesterday. I think he will become a solid right guard for us. We just need to steal a couple of Offensive lineman that can pass block and find one more running back and our offense will be a winner." LETJASONPASS

Hahaha...my boy might have gotten a tad carried away here on the Comeback Player of the Year nod, but yes, Williams did play a good game in Oakland. If he can stay healthy and maintain his desire, he should be able to contribute to our offense for a while. He definitely factors in our future. However, it was still inexcusable to base our backup plan for an NFL offensive line on a guy who had been out of the league for two seasons and had to lose 100 lbs just to try out for the team. Expecting credit for that move panning out at all is like you trying to convince everyone that it was your good looks and mad game that landed you a hot girl and not her obscene level of intoxication.

10) "My earring: What's the big deal?? I've worn it on the air for 16 years! R U just now noticing?" Chick@CSN

Haha...At the top of my segment on Post Game Live, Chick ragged me a little on my beard and I had spent literally all day thinking what I would say if he did (when you have a ratty beard like mine, you are just asking for it.) Needless to say, I arrived at an earring comment quickly. It is not that Chick can't rock the earring. He absolutely can. I commented back to him that I couldn't picture him without the earring. Chick has dominated the sports news scene here for a long time. We do semi-regular sports personality anchor ratings (usually over many beers and usually because someone has just done something on TV to kickstart the conversation...like when Michael Jenkins does something goofy or when Kelli Johnson wears an exceptionally bright pink or green shirt.) I will make a point to include that as a topic in our next video. Chick is almost up there in Jim Vance territory...and not just because of the earring. I love Jim Vance and his style. He is a staple on the D.C. television news scene. Chick is pretty much there now for sports news in this town. In the absence of dominant personalities like George Michael and Glenn Brenner (R.I.P.), Chick Hernandez has filled the void. Welcome to Hogs Haven Chick.

It's Time To Get Ready for the Giants

I have said it before and it bears repeating: I don't care about a higher draft pick at the cost of wins. I always want to see wins. I don't understand how anyone could actively root for losses just to get a higher draft pick. Where is the fun in that? Not to mention we get to play teams like the Giants and Cowgirls down the stretch who are counting on wins against us to make the playoffs. Regardless of what the win would mean to our postseason or offseason situation, beating the Giants and Cowgirls are each their own reward. We want to beat the Giants because they are the Giants and we want to beat the Cowgirls because they are the no-good, rotten, dirty Dallas Cowgirls.

We did not spend too much time talking about the Raiders last week but I could live with that. I can't live with not preparing ourselves mentally for the game on Monday Night Football. If you are going to be there, be loud. Get there early and tailgate your hearts out. Make sure the Giants know they are on the road and in a hostile environment. And for God's sake, keep them on the ropes. We are playing better than them right now. A win over the Raiders means little heading into next season. But NFC East wins are carryover wins for sure. They matter to the fans and they matter to the organizations. The teams in our division are the ones we measure ourselves against. No matter our records, these games are the true tests for our franchise. If our team is indeed worthy of getting excited about...if they truly are worthy of an opportunity to keep it rolling next year...if they truly have become something they weren't in September, then we will see it on Monday Night Football.

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geeze dude

you make me wanna go run into my bosses office and punch him out! lol

I’m AMPED right now

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions  

This is what i was hoping for

Having said that, I have no idea about Allen. I wanted cerrato gone, and a real gm hired. The only thing left is a real plan. This is truly a step in the right direction for al of us. This is Christmas come early. I am ready to stand back, let this guy dig into the team and make decisions that will lead us with a multi-year plan that doesn’t include: 1) find high priced, old free agent’ 2) pay him double whatever he asks for.

I don’t know enough about Allen, but I think somebody had to broker this deal. Since he has never been on the list before there has to be someone out there who introduced him and vouched for him. I wonder if it was guys like Theismann and Jurgenson. This is why I am ready to accept this guy’s opinions on how to build the team back up. I actually have a boner at work and I have a meeting in a few minutes.

by monk81 on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully, my meeting got cancelled

therefore i have no reason to hide me boner

by monk81 on Dec 17, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Bruce Allen is legit and respected

He carries enough weight to stand up to Snyder and I think he was pretty much the best available GM.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Allen was willing to acknowlege his mistakes.

Consequently, I expect him to have learned by those mistakes and do a better job for the Redskins. Drafting of rookies is not a guaranteed practice for success..

by Jefferson1935 on Dec 17, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

RE: #4-6 and "higher draft pick at the cost of wins"

Wasn’t it on this site not that long ago that you guys published a Redskins version of Ted Leonsis rebuild plan? I think you need to go back and reread that post. While your questions about Portis are deadon IMO, I think the thought needs to be taken that next step. That is to say, ff the Skins are truly ushering in a new era, they need to “gut” the franchise as much as possible. Remove the fat salaries – Collins , Moss, Randle El, Portis, A. Carter, Smoot, R. Thomas – fill with young FAs/Draft Picks and build a true foundation. The worst possible situation for this franchise to be in is one where they cannot draft young, cheap talent.

Am I advocating tanking this season, no, never. Fuck the Giants. But losing is very much winning this year. That said, what I am really advocating is an actual offseason plan, spurred by the (hopefully) new era, one that may take another full season to bear out, but leaves this franchise back atop the NFCE.

by ThreePingPost on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

I'm hoping JC comes back

And plays VERY well around a new OLine. If he want’s to stick it to Cerrato, and to a lesser extent Snyder, he needs to do it HERE, where with the exact same personnel (plus an Oline) he takes us to the playoffs. I think he can do it here. But it’s up to JC at this point.

by BillWard on Dec 17, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta be Jim Vance

You mentioned it before, but Jim Vance is by far the best. Even though he doesn’t do sports, he is not only a die hard Redskins fan, but a Cowboy hater, Caps lover, and a Wizards fan, too. I love to hear his comments after the Skins games.

by Spitman on Dec 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Phil Chenier cracks me up...

but it has to be Jim Vance or George Michael…

by wildinout on Dec 17, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Uncle Phil is amazing

Him and Buck are right there with Sonny and Sam as far as calling a game.

by Sugar on Dec 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I was beginning to think, by God, he has gotten it...

Now, after the hullabaloo of Vinny going, I feel like Danny’s changed his shirt and pants but kept the same old dirty underwear on.

Part of my issue has to do with was suddenly getting high as a kite on the idea it was going to be Holmgren, Sherm Lewis, Zorn and Jason. Allen and Gruden do NOTHING for me in terms of my hopes for this franchise long term. It’s like Woody Allen in Bananas – the Revolucion succeeds and now we are going to have another boneheaded dictatorship in it’s place.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It reaffirms what I've been saying

That Danny is an intelligent business man (hard to dispute), who learns from mistakes and adapts towards successes. His mistakes are coming fewer and further between, though a complete revamp of the team’s schemes will be a step in the wrong direction.

by SSBlitz on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Albeit,

he learns slowly sometimes.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

We need to hear from Bruce Allen first.

This has to be an improvement, after all, he’s a tobacco chewing good ol’ boy from Virginia.
In all seriousness though, I want disclosure/transparency. I feel like we, as fans, were instrumental in making this change happen. This move shouldn’t be smoke and mirrors, trading one evil for another. If he wants our support, he will lay out a REAL plan for us. He will tell us his draft philosophies, his personnell philosophies, what he sees as needs on this team, and where he sees this team next year, and in 3 or 5 years. I realize that some of the specifics of the draft will be confidential so we don’t give away too much of our draft day plans, but those really should be obvious. But you see what I’m getting at.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope I hope I hope

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the Bruce Allen hiring feels a little rushed right now...

But I want to hear what he has to say. Some transparency and some details would go a long way towards reconnecting the team with its fanbase. To be fair, they don’t necessarily owe us their whole plan, but if Snyder and Allen were to start laying out some broad fundamentals and principles that will be guiding them in the near future, such as (but not limited to):

—drafting OL is a priority
—commitment to playing the best defense in the NFC East
—drafting OL is important
—draft picks are useful
—drafting lineman is a good idea
—having as many draft picks as possible when the actual draft is held is pretty cool

by Sugar on Dec 17, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.
This is an extraordinary opportunity with one of the world’s most successful sports franchises. I love everything about this assignment; I know what it means to be dedicated to the Redskins. I can’t wait to get to work

I’m so damn excited. I can’t wait to get drunk and loud on Monday. HTTR

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

dude

no link? I’m disappointed. I’m a part of HH so I don’t have to do the heavy lifting you know

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

despite the fact that it’s not the exact link I will take it ;p

J/K

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I wonder what

bumper sticker-boy’s take is on all of this? savetheskins.com guy.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure will see his opinion

on the bottom of ever HH post by the end of the day.
I wonder if he’ll still plug his site?

by SSBlitz on Dec 17, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Here's a good one for you Rekka

Dan Steinberg has a good piece on Vinny. He admits that it’s “dancing on the grave,” but I think we’re all ready to put a boom box on Vinny’s headstone and fire up a dance party.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

F*ck It

I’m practicing the running man as we speak

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm going to deem my parking spot

“Vinny’s Grave” and dance all over it on Monday. Can’t wait.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

am I just being too cynical here
I’m so damn excited. I can’t wait to get drunk and loud on Monday. HTTR

Or could the timing of this announcement have something to do with Snyder not wanting A: Empty Seats or B: Outright scenes or rebellion against him… on MNF

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 17, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Who cares?

Better sooner than later, better late than never. HTTR!
For the record, I would have gotten drunk and loud regardless.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

To keep warm, if nothing else. See you there!

by d_c_guy on Dec 18, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes.

Instantly. I know that’s letting him off the hook too easy, but I don’t care, I’m in too good a mood right now.

by rtharak2 on Dec 17, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Let's not get carried away

until we see the FO in action.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Lets all get carried away

this is a day of great hope, with the promise of a better tomorrow. A new day has dawned on Redskins Nation. Let loose and be an optimist, ScottE. Hail!

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean we begged him to fire Vinny and get a legit GM

and he did. Still hate Snyder but I basically approach this like training a dog. Negative reinforcement when they piss indoors and a treat when they do what they are supposed too.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Definitely.

But I’m not rubbing his belly. No way, no how.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you have not been paying attention to any

of the “Redskin” as a euphemism threads posted over the last few days. If so, you just offered Snyder a foreskin as a tasty treat….and I’m serious when I say I hope you have not been paying attention…

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Hail Yeah!! You are right, CarverM

I’ve been so up and down today I’m exhaused – and most of it is needless speculation.

Allen says he wants to come in and evaluate then make decisions. We really can’t ask for more than that. Looks like all options are on the table – I hope – and no deals have been struck. If the team plays out the year strong, we could have good change and continuity, too!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

THERE YOU GO SCOTT E!

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 17, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't be a squirrel

unless you can find your nuts! May not be relevant, but I’m like totally silly now.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for the hot tip, Dr.

You say that with a disturbing amount of authority. :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was never convinced that Snyder was as clueless as he is often made out to be. But I wasn’t sure. Now I can be sure that Snyder is capable of being a good owner.

Cerrato made a lot of good personnel moves, but just couldn’t put it all together. The individuals he brought in were mostly good, especially in recent years. But he didn’t get the team concept and he wasn’t a leader.

by hsoup on Dec 17, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I think

if we were going to go for an ex-TB GM, I’d prefer that we got Rich McKay, but that might not have been possible.

Plus, McKay doesn’t have that Redskins link.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

Are you saying the link will continue

and that Allen will bring in Russ Grimm!!! I would soooo love to see that. Keep most things the same, do the right thing this and the next draft, but add Grimm’s toughness and discipline would so work in my book.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

We can hope.

I would prefer that Zorn stays and if the team doesn’t improve next year, THEN we bring in Grimm.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting...

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

After two years the “wco” is showing success and bringing in grimm now could be a set back. Whatver we do. They need to set a plan and make it known. Ie – rebuilding or not.

by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 17, 2009 12:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes.

After the last ten years, I’m willing to just give Bruce the reigns and let him do this his way, but I want to know what the deal is. No more unrealistic expecations and no more willy-nilly team building. What this franchise needs is a clear, concrete direction and a plan that shows how they will get it done.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Long-term plan and stick to it in the long-term

by Sugar on Dec 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

It is showing improvement because we now have a less conservative ...

play caller (Sherm Lewis). In a recent interview Jason Campbell said the biggest difference is we now stretch the field. Before we just dink and dunked the ball down the field. Prior to Sherm l. our offense was really predictble which in turn put extra pressure on Campbell. Now we might run or pass on any down. Something else to consider is that we will throw to mutiple receivers not just Moss or Cooley. By changing offensive strategies it is much harder to defend our receivers and to stop our run game. It is not by accident that we have sometimes mutiple receivers runnning wide open by themselves. Think about before Sherm Lewis you just had to stop the run on the left side of the line and stop passses up to 15 yards from the line of scrimmage. This offensive strategy also put extra pressure on our receivers. That is why our receivers could not get open. Every DB in the league knew that they did not have to worry about any double moves or passes further than 15 yards. By passing on running downs now JC 17 can also throw the deeper routes.

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 17, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It's only

now a matter of time until the rest of the league gets reliable scouting on Spermin’’s playcalling, just like they did on Zorn last year.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

You can't scout Spermin' Sherman's playcalling

the offensive players are invisible on film.
I’m making a bad attempt at a Chuck Norris/Spermin Sherman joke.

by CarverM on Dec 18, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that WAS pretty bad.

“E” for effort, though.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Like Chris Carter said " Sherm Lewis is a redzone genius".

He has more experience teaching the west coast offense than anyone else. per Bill Walsh. So i doubt you can predict which one of the many plays or formations that he can pull out of his hat. Comparing Jim Zorn and his play calling to Sherm Lewis is a pretty bad comparison.

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 19, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

For the sake of Redskins Nation,

I hope you’re right.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 19, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

That would be like a fairy tale

I’m sure he’s never heard that play on his name

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

::groan::

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 17, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you for the shout-out

& compliment Sugar, i just hope i can contribute to the debate as meaningfully as you guys who post such good work here (this was another well-written article). I wanted to apologize to DBackSkins and Kevin E whom I was fleshing out the Zorn question + the issue of Blache vs. No Blache/Gregg Williams with in your last post (the Raiders recap) and wasn’t able to offer any additional responses (to them). Not to beat a dead horse but i’ve been super pressed for time over the last month with grad-school exams (disclaimer: i don’t insist on saying “grad school” to sound pretentious or above anyone, only to emphasize that it’s extremely intense and essentially scorched earths any free time i have for a month and a half with pre-finals prep + finals proper) and haven’t been able to keep up with the debates in general or our discussions in particular beyond offering the best thoughts i could offer in fleeting bursts, but I’m nearing the end of them & getting closer to being able to contribute with more consistency. The news in re Cerrato’s release has me on cloud 9, Christmas came early!

by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Dec 17, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

I'm actually beginning to believe...

that from this move alone we are the legitimate 2nd best team in the NFC behind the Eagles. Hopefully, Allen will be competent (that’s all I ask for after this Vinny debacle!!) and merely acquire players that we NEED. If we maintain our choke-hold of a defense and allow our offense to gel more and become a cohesive unit we can return to at least a 9-7 or 10-6 team next year. Needless to say my friends and I will be making a scene Monday night at the game!!

by wildinout on Dec 17, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

please please please

no Gruden. I seriously can’t stand him on MNF and I really don’t think he is all that good as a HC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Dec 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST reply actions  

I think he's really good on MNF

A whole lot better than Chris Collinsworth on SNF.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he is a brilliant game planner and quality coach

he just blows through QB’s and seems to wear out his welcome quickly.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Chris Collinsworth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Dec 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Collinsworth

adds nothing to the football discussion. He was probably hired because they wanted someone who could stammer like Madden used to. Chris is good at stammering.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I've always thought Chris was one of the best commentators

 At least he doesn’t reek of old school cronyism what you get listening to Bradshaw, Howie & Co. They actually think they are funny. And I hate all this simulated play demonstration with 3D effects that don’t really teach anything about football an eighth grader doesn’t already know. Just my take.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like that stuff either.

To tell you the truth, I probably just got tired of Collinsworth because he has been on Madden the last couple years. Whoever does the commentary on Madden will get old really fast.

by CarverM on Dec 17, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh...I see.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't listened to Madden sound in years

I always put on music.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 17, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Really?

I love Collinsworth as a commentator. He doesn’t say stupid shit just for shtick, he has actual insight into football, he’s willing to admit when he’s wrong, and he’s interested in actually explaining the intricacies of route-running, blocking, etc., stuff that most color guys don’t necessarily want to waste their time talking about. He’s also got energy and actually seems smart, and rather than repeatedly plugging the same names over and over again, he gives a fair mention to role players.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

From a non-American perspective

where to be honest a lot of that stuff does need to be explained to me, I completely agree/

Madden was good for explaining the value of what the Line was doing on plays, I think Collingsworth gives you a more rounded explanation of, like you say, Route Running etc, I really like him

A Complete and Utter waste of space in the broadcast booth however is Ron Jaworski

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 20, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I love Collinsworth too

It’s quite clear he’s thought about what he says before he says it. He doesn’t spout simplistic observations. He only says things he thinks are true. He’s as likely to give praise as criticism.

His nasally voice is irritating, but mostly I care about content, and CC is great.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 17, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaworskis is the most annoying one of all teh NFL commentators

every single thing he says is like a big statement

With a presage, a build up, then a thundering conclusion delivered in a realyl irritatiting way, he never just talks to the other guys in the booth or makes an observation, everything is a pronouncement

If you want to know what I mean, watch him on his regular PTI slot, the first question he answers, (that he has time to prepare for) is classic Jaworski in the mould I have just described, the answer is always in 3 parts, presage, explanation THUNDERING CONCLUSION

IT DRIVES ME FRIGGIN INSANE,

I’d even prefer they got Sugar on PTI even if we would spend the whole time on camera looking over at Reali :) (sorry Sugar couldnt resist)

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 17, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Jaworski isn't on PTI

That’s Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon. But you’re right, Jaws is an annoying commentator. I think it’s because he was an Iggle.

by CarverM on Dec 18, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions  

On MOndays he does 5 good minutes

to prep the MOnday NIght Game and beleie me, he does exactly as I just described to Kornheisers first question every single week

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 20, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't hate any of the announcers that actually know football

and talk to me like a football knowing adult.

Jaws, Gruden and CC all give actual analysis, insight and breakdown without saying too much stupid sh-t.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 18, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

As for tanking

We as fans should root for a win every game. It’s not like we would be guaranteed the guy we want if we stopped winning. The only thing having a higher draft pick guarantees is that they are paid WAY more guaranteed money. We should play to win every game and let the chips fall where they may. Having a later first rounder might also help us trade down as a top 5 pick isn’t always a good thing. Let’s say we move from 6 to 12. We might still be pulling from the same pool of players and the difference in guaranteed money we would be shelling out could buy us a pretty good FA. Not saying any of that is guaranteed just saying there isn’t a guarantee that losing out would neccesarily make us better next year so why try and lose?

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Nice and right.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 17, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The Legacy

  A Dodger fan since 1946 and a NBA fan since it’s inception (Cheering on Carl Braun, Harry the Horse Gallatin etc etc), I only became a football fan because of Jim Brown. After his retirement, I was a luke-warm NFL fan. But I began to follow a bit of George Allen with the Bears. (It’s easier for me at 5’10 and 170 lbs to visualize myself as a Coach then a defensive tackle). When George moved to the Rams in LA as head coach, I became a fair warm Ram fan. When George came to the Redskins as Head Coach I became a hot Redskin fan and when the famed Ramskins uber-trade occurred, I became a white-hot Redskin fan. Many of you here remember the great years that followed while George coached. Now, we have the legacy. The son, brought up as a kid on the Redskin sidelines, living and breathing the Redskins. Then tempered in football’s front offices in Oakland and Tampa Bay and now here! I couldn’t be happier and don’t think we could have hired a better man to straighten out the messes of the past decade.

by Dipper on Dec 17, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

I remember George, too – even though after ‘72 he was strictly one & done in all his playoff appearances, he was a great coach. If Bruce was just Allen’s kid, I wouldn’t be crazy about this. But he does have a real, solid record as an NFL guy – so it’s not just nepotism.

by d_c_guy on Dec 17, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

He is a LEGIT GM

all the other stuff about his father and everything is a nice storyline I guess but it shouldn’t mask the fact that he has proven to have success in the NFL.

by BayAreaBullet on Dec 17, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Sugar, just a tip,

from someone who has never and will never be in that position

You did really well when you were talking dude, seemed like a real live TV person, no ums or ahhs, very impressive.

But

when you finish talking you cant be blankly staring off to the left to the Producer or whoever it was waving at you, you did it both times, dont get me wrong it wasnt bad, just funny more than anything, but yeah you cant do that!!

:)

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 17, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions  

hahahaha

yeah, I was Mr. Amateur. If and when i get another shot, I definitely have a few things to work on!

by Sugar on Dec 17, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

dont be too hard on yourself!! just something i noticed,

the fact I noticed shows I waste waaaaaaay to much time watching TV anyway

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Dec 17, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Snowy MNF

Well it looks like 12-24 inches of snow is possible this weekend. The skins will have a heck of a time clearing that much snow out of the stadium in time for MNF. It’s certainly going to be interesting!

by Kurtstack on Dec 17, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions  

Awesome....

good news for our defense.

"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"

by DbacksSkins on Dec 18, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I play my best beer pong in snowy conditions

Ken, we need to remember to bring the orange ping pong balls.

by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 18, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Great

My seats are on the South side. The seats on the North (scoreboard) side and east (visitor’s) side should get enough sun to do some melting off on Sunday and Monday. My seats? Not so much. And I doubt I can get an ice pick through security :-)

by d_c_guy on Dec 18, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

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