Hogs Haven chats Giants/Redskins MNF with Big Blue View
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM EST
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Ed Valentine, the SB Nation editor from the Giants' Big Blue View, and I had a brief gmail chat regarding the game Monday night. For those Redskins fans not up on the Giants, I should preface that the Giants defense is going through some major drama. Their defense has given up the 5th worst points per game (25.4) while having the 9th best pass and rush defense. Obviously, that leads to a lot of frustration since their playoff chances are in limbo. Kiwanuka stated there are "communication" problems that he described as players "getting calls and understanding what you're supposed to be doing." Tom Coughlin had to publicly state this week that defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan will remain the defensive coordinator the rest of the season amongst some calls to remove him.
KevinE: The Giants defense is 9th best in yards against, but 5th worst in points against...why is that? Bad offensive turnovers?
Ed Valentine: It has nothing to do with the offense. The offense has been terrific. It has to do with not being able to make a play when they need one. Blowing assignments that lead to big plays, not being able to get a run stop when they have to. Oh, and the fact that the kicking game/coverage teams have been awful. So, it always seems like a short field.
KevinE: Did you agree with Coughlin's decision to keep Sheridan?
Ed Valentine: Yes, I did. Switching coordinators right now is pointless, really. Can't change the whole system or staff right now. Sheridan is not without fault, and if the season goes up in flames he won't be back. But, a lot of this is on the players. A lot of guys have not lived up to their names and blown assignments, linemen getting ridden off the ball and poor tackling are on the players. Not the coordinator. So, plenty of blame to go around.
KevinE: Not to mention his secondary is depleted...Corey Webster and Aaron Ross both got banged up...u heard if they're going to play?
Ed Valentine: Webster is day to day. Ross is fine, and he has been playing at safety, and playing pretty well for being new to it, for several weeks now.
KevinE: Right tackle Kareem McKenzie is out and William Beatty the rookie is in. Is there a big drop-off there and should the Skins overload that side?
Ed Valentine: I'm sure the Redskins will try to work Beatty over. But, Giants fans are actually happy about this. Beatty, a second-round pick, is a player. McKenzie is a fading veteran and the job should belong to Beatty next season, anyway. The kid is going to be good, and we want to see him on the field.
KevinE: Ok last question, back in May when we chatted, I asked you if you had any concerns w/ the new WR core...you thought you'd be OK if Mario stepped up and Ramses Barden came on...Nicks is a stud like we thought...how would you rate the WRs now? What happened to Ramses?
Ed Valentine: The wide receivers, believe it or not, are actually a strong suit on this team. Our Steve Smith is the best Steve Smith in the league. He has already broken the team's single-season reception record, and might get to 100+. He is uncoverable (think Wes Welker) on short to intermediate stuff. Nicks, like you said, is total stud. Love the kid. Mario Manningham is frustratingly inconsistent. He is a game-breaker with the ball in his hands, but his route-running needs work and he drops too many balls. Barden is a mystery. In camp I thought he would be a star, but he has only been active for a couple of games. The Giants say they would like to activate him, but he is a liability on special teams and the 4th or 5th WR has to be on the coverage teams. I think Ramses will get his full opportunity next season to surpass Domenik Hixon and maybe even Manningham. I can't wait to see what he does with it.
KevinE: Hard to believe the Giants are ranked 23rd in +/- turnovers at -4...what's your prediction for Monday?
Ed Valentine: Well, I'd like to say we'll kick your butt all over the field and make you wish ... well, you get the point. But, I have no idea. Will the Giants team that played its guts out the last two weeks show up? Will the team that gave zero effort against Denver show up? Will they continue to make stupid mistakes on defense and special teams? I don't know. This team should be much better than it is. But it isn't getting the job done. I just know we need to win.
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Ed Valentine: I’m sure the Redskins will try to work Beatty over. But, Giants fans are actually happy about this. Beatty, a second-round pick, is a player. McKenzie is a fading veteran and the job should belong to Beatty next season, anyway. The kid is going to be good, and we want to see him on the field.
wait, wait, wait, a team drafted for depth, and then realized their back up has future potential? CRAZY!
Our Steve Smith is the best Steve Smith in the league
I’ll give this guy the benefit of the doubt and assume he’s kidding.
He is uncoverable (think Wes Welker)
Did I just read Wes Welker and NYG Steve Smith in the same sentence?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Well...
2009 Stats:
Wes Welker: 105 (rec) / 1,158 (yards) / 4 (TDs)
Steve Smith: 85 / 1,053 / 5
Pretty close.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 16, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Steve Smith NYG > Steve Smith CAR....in stats
But we all know who the better WR is. Delhomme blows.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 16, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to make a comment about that but see that you already did, so I’ll just agree with you and give you a +1.
That team really needs QB
If Danny ran them he would trade up to #1. and take a DE.
more likely Danny would sell the Skins and then go and buy that team
so he could have fun evaluating QB’s for his fantasy, oops I mean team
Pommylee
I get the feeling
that if the Giants were 3-10 right now, his answers would have been exactly the same. He seems to be lacking objectivity.
Why?
If we were 3-10 it’s doubtful the WR’s would be playing as well as they are, and Beatty would still be a player for the future, who we are excited to see. Where Ed’s objectivity getting in the way of his answers?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 16, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Our Steve Smith is the best Steve Smith in the league
He is uncoverable (think Wes Welker)
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
damn...
I love it how our NFC East brethren REFUSE to give our passing O any damn credit.
Take a gander at Steve Smith’s stats.
They are completely different style WR…
Our Steve Smith runs more in patterns..and actually more than a few down field.
Welker is 98% screens and short slants. Basically handoff type stuff.
THIS SEASON…look at the stats, Giants Steve Smith is better. 2nd in the NFC in yards and tied for first in receptions.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
**comparing him to Welker
comparing WR route styles.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
I love it how our NFC East brethren REFUSE to give our passing O any damn credit.
Don’t exaggerate. I never did that.
Welker is 98% screens and short slants. Basically handoff type stuff.
poor exaggeration. read this
THIS SEASON…look at the stats, Giants Steve Smith is better. 2nd in the NFC in yards and tied for first in receptions
This is quite different from the blanket claim that NYG SS is “better”. And ain’t a football alive (outside of NYC) that would take NYG SS over CAR SS.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
poor exageration?
Fine…95% do it for ya? All I get is Patriot’s games up here…Welker does not go downfield like Steve Smith does. He does these slants, pivots, screens and the occasional 10yd in.
Never does Welker run a post or go route…like Steve Smith does a whole lot.
Its basically a poor comparison is what it is. Welker does his short field thing (and there’s nothing wrong with it…)
…and yea, I wouldn’t take CAR SS over NYG SS…at least right now.
Its just that CAR SS is far from the ‘best WR in the game’ that he supposedly was a few years back, and our SS is far from a pile of dung who only gets open cuz he’s in the slot.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
No One Says He Sucks ...
Any more than you’re claiming that Wes Welker is a pile of dung who only gets open cuz he’s in the slot.
It should be an interesting game right now. The Giants have been in a rut where they’re doing less with more on a weekly basis, while the Redskins have been doing more with less. If that continues, the ‘Skins could steal a W. It’s hard to argue with the idea that the Giants have more talent right now – but talent ain’t everything.
Good to see you over here, btw – I usually see your stuff at PA :-)
I usually do go on the NFC East sites
before the game…gotta see who’s talking crap about the team…
Yea..I mean I guess my overall point….Welker and Smith are very good possesion WR. Welker does his thing…Smith does his, both are good at it, and basically both are uncoverable.
I agree with the Giants doing less…on defense at least. Tho…they’re really doing less with less. Our safeties are atrocious.
Many of the guys on the team, including some of the safeties like Rouse and Ross, also Boley, Canty and a few of the rooks/2nd year guys, need more time and reps as starters.
I agree 100%, the Redskins could steal this one…you guys aren’t as bad IMO as the record and rep. say.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
Welker and Smith aren't in the same class. Not even close
sorry man
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
different brands or WR....
both possesion guys…
but Smith goes down field more, as evidence by his 20 less catches and only 100 less yards.
Also…they pass a whole lot more in NE, mainly cuz those short route to Welker are like runs.
Its all good. I guess it will have to take another season or 2 for people to start to agree that Smith is an elite WR (I don’t even think Smith himself believes it..he’s dropped about 3-4 sure-fired TD’s in the end-zone this year…2 in the past 2 weeks).
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I think
the Redskins will win. Not for any objective reasons but rather because I’m starting to see this team beating the Giants and Dallas at home and possibly even beating the Chargers away because they’re looking passed us thus making the offseason as unpredictable as humanly possible. No one will know whether we’re the team that got beat by Detroit and played pathetically during the first half of the season against the dregs of the NFL or if we’re the team that nearly upset the Saints and won impressively at the end.
I'll be in SD!!!
i think they will have the #2 sewed up. The starters will only play a half. But….. Norv might want a little payback.
I think
No one will know whether we’re the team that got beat by Detroit and played pathetically during the first half of the season against the dregs of the NFL or if we’re the team that nearly upset the Saints and won impressively at the end.
They are two different teams, and not just figuratively but Literally, the 1st half of the season team was the typical Snyder highly paid FA’s entitlement mentality Redskins, but “thanks” to all the injuries the backups have come in and we have started to adopt a Blue Collar mentality
For example our Linemen are now blocking for a guy who runs behind them all week in those tough practices, whereas before they were expected to block for a guy who spent all week watching them bust their guts whilst chatting amiably with the owner on the sidelines, you telling me it doesnt add a couple of percent to their performace to respect the RB they are blocking for….
Pommylee
I don't know that it's conscious
but I do think it matters. Football is a team sport. I think you’re right that practicing as a team probably adds a lot of intangibles in mentality and spirit at game time.
by SkinsOsTerps on Dec 16, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
fair point definitly
never really thought about it to that level before but you are right
They wouldnt consciously think, I’m not pushing as hard on this block cos Portis is a lazy bastard, but subconsciously I think they would push harder to help out the teammate who is by their side day after day
Pommylee
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