Portis Done with Skins?
by pas493 on Dec 16, 2009 10:18 AM EST
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Clinton Portis discussed what has been on his mind since he suffered a concussion more than a month ago: That his time in Washington may be over. Given the Redskins' disappointing 4-9 season and the fact that the team has won just one playoff game since he arrived in a 2004 trade with Denver, Portis said he would understand if he became part of sweeping changes to the roster.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/15/AR2009121504549.html
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I had heard the
first part of that comment last week. But the part about sweeping changes is new. Looks like Snyderrato are going to blow it up. Makes me sick after all the improvement I’ve seen the last few weeks.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
the past few weeks
are nothing compared to the 6-2 start Zorn started out with and look where that took us…nowhere.
I just don’t hear anyone mentioning anything specific that Zorn does. Is he a quiet leader like Dungy? If so then maybe we should keep him but I don’t hear that from anyone like I always heard it about Dungy.
I’ll give you the fact that he’s a good QB coach but then why leave him as HC when his game time management is so awful and his 2 minute drill (the part of the offense he still controls) is so bad?
Part of the reason the team is playing better is because new guys are finally getting a chance and they want to show that they’re a good player. And some of it is out of individual pride that every pro player has regardless of the team or coach.
Help me see what you see in Zorn!
Insanity - doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result
Snyder has gone thru 6 coaches while owning the redskins. That means starting from scratch roughly every 2 years. Gibbs being the only one of those coaches to have 3 seasons with the team and the only one to take the team to the post season stressed continuity. Zorn sold Snyder on the idea that the transformation to a west coast offense would take 2-3 years we’re nearing the end of the second year and we are really starting to look like a pass happy offense and you don’t want to see what we can do in the third year? you’d rather start over again complain for two years about losing and then start over again…
I’m not saying Zorn is a good HC but why take a step back when it seems like we’re progressing, now if the past 5 games were a fluke and we start to regress again I say fine ship him out and bring in the next poor soul but if we continue to play competitive football against some of the best teams in the league why not see what this team can do with a third year in the same system?
It’s not about what we see in Zorn it’s what we’re seeing around Zorn at the end of the season. Give him a real Offensive line and lets see some offensive fireworks next year instead of taking a step back and learning a new system
by skinsfan28 on Dec 16, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You can keep the WCO and just ditch Zorn
I haven’t seen arguments here or elsewhere what Zorn does well.
He’s a basically a QB coach masquerading as head coach, who’s bad with challenges, time mgmt, and game mgmt.
You don’t keep a mediocre/bad head coach simply for continuity’s sake.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Actually, As A fan this is what I want
You don’t keep a mediocre/bad head coach simply for continuity’s sake.
Because it means Danny and Vinny are doing nothing, which results in the best possible outcome.
Draft players, specifically offensive lineman…and do nothing else this off season!
We progressing but that's not saying much
We’ve had a couple decent to good games and that’s it. In all reality I think the New Orleans game was a better game for us and we still lost. Improving from being in the bottom 20% of the league to only belonging in the bottom 40% of the league just isn’t impressive to me.
What I want is a real FO that hires a real HC, and a competent coaching staff. This mess we have is what’s insane! We have a QB coach who is the HC, an OC who has to work around the HC, But wait, the HC gets to mess up any and all 2 minute drives because he plays OC in those situations. Then we have the whole play calling and relay system that was degined by the mad hatter.
And keeping this system is the SANE thing to do?
So again, what is it that Zorn does that makes him worth keeping? That was never answered. Zorn isn’t what fixed the offense, Sherm lewis is. So what does Zorn do for the team? Player motivation? I don’t read or hear anything to that effect. Game planning? Oh he doesn’t do much of that either. If it’s just “what we’re seeing around Zorn at the end of the season” can we get some posters of Zorn and hang them up around the organization?
Yeah, that’s much better than going out and trying to find a real HC.
But since Snyder is not going to form a real FO and vinny is going to stick around to draft a QB with our first pick and also avoid picking up a top tier OL the team will suck either way so sure, keep Zorn around so he can be VC’s scapegoat next year too. Another year of stupid draft picks by VC, another year of Zorn incompetence…what the “H”, it’s only been a couple decades since we had back to back good years so what’s another year down the toilet?
If a new coach comes in...
I can’t imagine he’d want CP here. We’ll have to wait & see how loyal Snyder is.
It boggles the Shanahan for coach arguement
just a little more – like we need more confusion. Because Shanny traded CP to us in the first place. Can’t believe he will stand for CP2.0 Or even C3P0 for that matter.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree
The Broncos wanted to trade him.When I spoke with Karl Mecklenburg, he brought up how CP didn’t like to practice and was not a team player. Obviously, CP was just out of the U, still a kid, … so I don’t label him as such…but his actions do warrant the discussion. He definitely hates practicing and rarely does.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
The main reason DEN traded Portis was money
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Don't read too much into "sweeping changes"
This is just speculation from the Washington Post, notorious for hating Dan Snyder. The actual quote from Portis is:
“I can’t sit and tell you I want my career to be over here, but at the same time, you got to understand the business side of things,” Portis said in a nearly 10-minute interview with a small group of reporters Tuesday at FedEx Field. “I’ve been here for six years, and we went to the playoffs twice. I think Mr. [Daniel] Snyder [the team’s owner], with the pressure that’s on him with the organization, [is] probably going to have to make changes. For everything that [goes] on, I’m to blame, so why wouldn’t I be the change?”
And it’s his way of taking the blame for the losing season and his lack of production this year, not a guarantee that the team is going to be overhauled.
The way the Post re-words it is obviously worse (which is always the case with the Redskins).
Charley Casserly soke about this yesteday...
He said at best Portis is an average back, so he won’t garnish much interest from any teams.
He continued that Ganther is a good back, but he doesn’t have that next gear in the secondary, which is what coaches look for…so, the Skins have a hold-over, but it’s not what you want. Makes sense.
He also said he guesses Cerrato is here for awhile since Snyder wouldn’t be flying him to ND and UT if he was going to be canning him.
Maybe Snyder is just
spending alot of time with Vinny in hopes that Vinny will get so tired of him that Vinny breaks up with Dan himself. Thus saving Danny the trouble of a clingy, heartbroken, doesn’t-get-the-picture ex.
Well,
there is the smoking gun for my reason to ax CP in the poll from another post.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
WTF is going on?
Here comes portis’s help me help me, I need to be the superstar outcry.
Why does it have to be a 1 back system. What about any 2 or 3 of the 4 backs that have played this year combining for a system next year. It has been keeping the defense on their heels ever since Portis left. Who gives a F*** if Portis doesn’t like it, he’s not the coach, RB by committe every couple of games. Let him sit and not get paid if he doesn’t like it. These F****** players are ridiculous anymore, they’ve won 4 games and yet they all celebrate after every play as if they just won the SB.
This is why I can’t stand Vinny Ceratto, all of a sudden we need 2 or 3 lineman, a QB and now a RB. Snyderatto has a knack for picking primadonnas and then paying them like a king. It’s hard to see the skins winning more than 8 or 9 games next year with all the needs this team “supposedly” has. Cerratto will find someway to screw it up.
are you a crotchety old man?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
No he's your average redskins fan
I know next year’s uncapped but even so could we afford to cut portis? No ones going to trade for him.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree, but since when did Portis complain about sharing carries?
That, and the “they’ve won 4 games and yet they all celebrate after every play as if they just won the SB” comment sounds like my 60 year old father who mostly watches football so that he has something to complain about.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Dec 16, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What other NFL franchise lets a RB start every game.........
when you don’t practice every week and have lingering leg injuries. I mean come on, him literally falling down almost every run wasn’t any indication of this? Even someone of your mentality could have figured this out. Now that he’s been out, the team has been doing much much better with the running game, yet he still finds a way to cry about what might happen to him. Why do you think they let him play hurt constantly? Because he’s a crybay and wants to be the main ball carrier instead of what’s best for the team. Because he’s a primadonna and runs to Vinny and Dan when he doesn’t get his way. I don’t think it was to difficult to figure out that Portis has a personal relationship with Dan and Vinny, how else do you get to play without practicing and being hurt all the time???? Portis wasn’t in great football shape when he got hurt. You don’t think his concussion had anything to do with that?
Who’s complaining like this on the Colts? Saints? Viking? Eagles? Chargers? etc., etc., etc. Who gets to not practice week after week and yet play week after week on these teams. NO ONE. Are you seeing any type of pattern yet?
If I sound like a 60 year old man complaining about the incompetence and lack of accountability with this team than it stands to reason why this team is exactly where it is. If Vinny and Dan had any balls, they’d keep Portis and use him with Betts and Ganther next year and then inactivate him when he goes to the media to bitch about it. But I’ll bet Portis knows this is coming and knows he can get his lump sum with an uncapped year and go somewhere else for another contract.
I always thought Riggins sounded like a grumpy old man when he talked about these things with Portis, but I do see clearly now what he was/is talking about.
where are these Portis quotes you're talking about?
the ones where he complains? Where he cries?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I agree...
with Smutsboy – I don’t see these quotes you speaketh of about Portis crying to Snyderrato…I actually see him being pretty humble and mature about the situation. Grandpa – did you take your meds today?
I'll tell you why I don't want a 2-3 back system
Because I have Ray Rice on my ‘Third and Shart’ fantasy team and nothing kicks me in the coin purse more than McGahee coming in to take his touchdowns every drive. It sucks to get all the yards of the drives and never the touchdowns. I can’t thin kof a better reason to go spend a bazillion dollars on a high priced RB.
What about them?
They usually run LenWhale 200 to 300 times a year, he’s been banged up. VY eliminates carries b/c of his wheels.
You don’t think they’ll get Javon Ringer in the mix more over time?
They use to use White. They will use Ringer. Right now though, they only use Johnson.
I agree with what you are saying though, every team has a committee. And I think the Skins would be better off following suit (like the past few weeks). I was just trying to contradict the all-caps NO ONE.
It's Chris Johnson we're speaking of...
he’s not carrying the ball 25 times a game to get 150 yards…their defense is on the field more than the offense…
This just makes you realize...
That the moves necessary this offseason are more unclear than any other season I can remember. When have we had so many question marks at so many positions? We may end up with a different coach, different QB, different GM, different starting RB, secondary, o-line… we allegedly may trade/cut the two players most associated with the Redskins for the last 5 years (Cooley and Portis)!
I can’t imagine the task in front of Snyder.
This is all due to
the Twin Terlitz sheer neglect of the O-line compounded by not having any clue as to how to build a team compounded by literally giving away way too many draft picks through trade and FA. And to make matters worse, they want to kill our “Top Ten” QB, who if it were not for Joe Bugle would be 6 feet under by now, and then have us waste more draft picks on a rookie QB instead. Merry Fucking Christmas!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree 100%
See, I don’t just argue with you! :P
I have to admit this years off season already feels as bleak as the Spurrier years.
WooooHOOO!
I’m not always right and enjoy a good discussion with a rational mind.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
"we might trade Cooley and Portis"
Is that based on Hogs Haven polls? Please, please, do not take any of the ramblings on here as any indication of what may actually happen within a billion-dollar franchise.
I think Portis wants out
and his comment was just wishful thinking.
I get the feeling he is fed up with the franchise and that he decided a while back to take some time off this season.
He is probably looking to get with a contending team for the last good years of his career. Kind of like Corey Dillon and the Patriots.
I want Portis out
But he has to want to stay here. His salary next year is exorbitant and he won’t get it anywhere else. The fact he is speaking down on himself is kind of admirable. Most players would say they expect to be back, they’’ll play hard, blah blah…and keep their chances of staying high.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Dec 16, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
most of his money next year is guaranteed
He’ll get his $10M either way
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Yes, but it gets to a point
when a player realizes a team is driving their career into the ground. I can’t imagine him getting to the Hall of Fame with the Skins.
I doubt any other team would pay that salary next year, but those things are negotiable (right?). I think it’s possible that he would take a pay cut to play for a solid team. A few more 1500 yd seasons and some post-season play might make him a candidate.
Also, this wasn’t a stab at Portis. I think he is a great back and has been a blue-collared runner for this team. We’ve basically used him as a battering ram to make up for our poor offense for most of his time here.
by DCtoAustralia on Dec 16, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
You Guyz Are Crazy
…and misinformed, as well as, taking and running with some of the randomness the CP say’s as if you have never herd of the guy.
If they were to trade him during this off-season there would be a cap penalty of $8.4M:
http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm
He will not go anywhere, with or without Shanny. Which I think is a much more wise, seasoned, and worthy coach than Zorn. If Zorn finishes the season strong then I believe you make him a contender, but in no way has he impressed or comprised enough clout to state he is must stay. If Cowher, Shannahan, Marty Schottenheimer, Holmgreen, or my choice Greg Williams want the job I think they have more rights to the position.
Personal Perfect Idealization: Hire Greg Williams (look at what he did with our offense, then Saints defense, he was the obvious choice before we did this horrible Zorn experiment), then hire Weiss as offensive cordinator, then draft Claussen and you have a stout defense headed by one of the best defense coordinators of all-time, and offensive guru with the QB he shaped form start to finish.
Claussen improved every season to finish this year second in the nation in QB rating (161.43, first was Boise State’s QB who played mostly nobody) not to mention completing 68% in route to 28 TDs versus only 4 INTs.
Surrounds those aspects with the talent drafted this past year, run two tight-end sets with Cooley back next year, let the defense do what it does, then just sit back and watch opposing fans cringe.
Of course, this is all contingent on drafting/ signing offensive lineman as well.
who cares about Cap Pentalty in an Uncapped year
If they were to trade him during this off-season there would be a cap penalty of $8.4M
The upcoming Uncapped year is without doubt the best thing that could possibly have happened to the Redskins, now we can clear Contracts such as CP’s and take no long term hit to your cap position, the only hit will be to Snyders Wallet.
even players we want to keep we can re-structure their deals in such a way that they get paid a lot of money in 2010 and then bugger all for the rest of the contract so that we are in a stron cap position once a CBA is negotiated
Pommylee
"run two tight-end sets with Cooley back next year"
I was wondering about this…
What are we going to do next year with Cooley healthy? It would be a waste to not utilize both players, but doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch?
Are their any teams that run 2 TE formations effectively?
by DCtoAustralia on Dec 16, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very efefctively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
yeah, lots of teams play 2 TE's 1/3 or 1/2 the time
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very efefctively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very efefctively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very effectively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very effectively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very effectively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very effectively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
lots of teams run 2 TE sets
very effectively. Or 1 of them can be used as an “H” back.
“doesn’t that mean we would have one less WR elligble to catch” maybe, it depends on how many RBs you have. Sometimes you have the extra TE swap in for the FB and not a WR. Either way I’d do it as I think our TEs are more effective than our WRs. We should have the best players on the field.
Williams was our
defensive coordinator…not offensive…and that link you put up says it comes from various sources and is in no way official…I’m confused…
To Those Wishing To Absolve Portis
The guy led the league until week 12 last season, has several good games this season, it not yet 30, and would be an MVP contender with a above average offensive line, offense that could stretch the field, and defense that gets turnovers to setup short drive which turn into red zone/TD situations.
Then why have
4 journeymen backs outperformed him this year? Surely we are not that rich in RBs…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
he lost a step and was playing injured
but some people want to sh-t on everything he’s done
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
he used to be great
but the key is “used to be”. Maybe he can recover but he’s not playing up to his contract or anywhere close to it. if we have an uncapped year then it’s a good time to either renegotiate or let him go. Isn’t he do at least $7 million next year? That’s AP or Chris Johnson money, not “3 yards and a pile of dust” money.
Exactly
he’s been playing hurt for multiple seasons now!! This is what he needs – half a season and a full offseason to recuperate…he’ll be back to a 1,000 yard back next season even if he shares carries with Ganther and Rock. Do you hear Eagles fans doubting the ability of Brian Westbrook who is consistently hurt like Portis is? No…let’s stop turning on our players the first sign of trouble…thats the reason why we have no consistency here in the first place.
I'm not "turning on Portis"
In many of the seasons that he’s been here, he has been the most effective part of the offense. He’s in the first row of the RB pantheon for me, with Riggo and Larry Brown (above the second tier of Stephen Davis, George Rogers, etc). But with an uncapped year providing a chance to dump underperforming contracts and get out of salary cap jail, for me cutting CP is strictly a business decision.
but with the uncapped year
could we not re-structure his deal rather than Cut him, pay him a hell of a lot of money next year, but nothing for 2-3 years after, then if has come back from his injurys, we still have him at top level but without hurting the Cap, and if he is no good, its just Snyder money we are wasting not Cap Money and we can cut him with no cap impact the following year
Pommylee
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