2010 Reality Check! Salary Cap Anyone?
by Skins Fan '77 on Dec 13, 2009 10:53 AM EST
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Printthere's been a lot of talk here about who we should draft next year. There's also been a lot of talk about what free agents we might be able to get to plug holes on the offensive line. People are worried that Vinnie is going to trade up to get Claussen or some other blue-chip quarterback. Others have been speculating that will be able to plug a couple of top-flight free agents into our decimated line.
I think it's obvious to most people that we have at least two holes on the offensive line, one glaring hole at free safety, and we may even need a running back. Add to this that most of our defensive line is pushing 30 and you can see we have potentially quite a bit of personnel to acquire. As we all we know, Jason"s contract is up, so we need to pay up for a starting QB as well.
Now I realize that the CBA is up in the air for 2010 but if the status quo is maintained, those who have math skills can see we've got quite a boondoggle. Take a look here....
http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php
Look at all that dead cap, Thanks Vinnie! it seems the Redskins run their salary cap like the U.S. Congress manages the federal budget, I wonder if it is a Beltway thing?
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I get what your saying but I feel your premise is flawed
basically any premise that starts with “The Owners and players are gonna sort this stuff out in the next few months” is incorrect, there is no way we are facing anything but an uncapped year net year.
For One, Jerry is kicking up a fuss about Revenue sharing, so if the owners arent all on the same page, there is no way they can even present anything to the players as yet anyway, therefore you can be fairly confident that next year will be uncapped.
PLUS due to to the catastrophic cap conditions you so clearly show us in your post, it would be in Snyders best interests to scuttle any deal until next year so he can clear cap space next season anyway and there are other teams in a similar postion who want an uncapped year to undo the years of mismanagement that have them in a Redskins like postion at the moment
So in a nutshell no cap next year is all but guaranteed
Pommylee
Well,
the owners themselves have all but said 2010 will be an uncapped year. Let’s see what happens — mass chaos, or just a MLB-like capitalist league?
Even Satan thinks Scott Boras is evil.
bad as it would be for the league
just a MLB-like capitalist league
and the overall product, it would be great for Redskins fans, we could finally allow Danny to buy success, we would be like the Washington Red Sox to the Dallas Yankees in fact the NFC EAST would be much more mega than the AL east is
All big market teams with traditionally large fan bases.
Pommylee
I'm lookin' forward to those $20 cheap domestics!! Yumm...
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
great in terms of winning
not so great in terms of Danny thinking
“Wow I used to gouge those poor bastards and get away with it when we were 4-9, bring a couple of SB’s to town and watch me suck the blood from the fans then”
Pommylee
I'm assuming
that the prices for concessions would go up to pay for Snyder’s shopping spree. Kinda the same way Jack Kent Cooke stadium is FedEX Field. Why pay for it out of your own pockets when you can get someone else to do it for you?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Concession pricing is very simple economics
Supply and demand. You charge at the equilibrium of maximum profits. For every dollar more you charge for food/drinks, X fewer people buy. When you reach the balance that brings in the most money, you charge that much.
The success of the team would have very little impact on the pricing. In fact, disgruntled fans may be willing to pay more to get drunk than content fans…..
Uh oh, that sounds like Snyder’s underlying motivation….
Microeconomics 101
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 15, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry SSBlitz this is nto correct
Concession pricing is very simple economics Supply and demand.
In a stadium you have a captive audience unable to access competitors products which leads to no Price Competition and the ridiculous high prices that ALL stadiums all over teh world charge
even the Magnificent MCG (Melbourne Cricket Ground).
Therefore with the captive audience all the rules of Price Control in Standard economics become irrelevant
Pommylee
But it IS true
that as you raise the price, fewer people buy…. otherwise, a beer would cost $100. There’s a certain price elasticity.
There’s no alternative, so you’re competing with yourself.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
correct
I should have said
many of the rules of Price Control become irrelevant
NOT
All of the rules of Price Control become irrelevant
Pommylee
Now you're correct.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah.
It would DEFINITELY be great for the Redskins and other big market teams.
I dunno about the rest of the league, though. I dunno about the local guys. (Cardinals)
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
and thats the reason they shouldnt do it
I’m from England (even though I am in Australia now) and the reason I barely even follow soccer anymore is because i dont support Man Utd Arsenal, Chelsea or Liverpool so there is no point watching.
In Australia our sports are like the NFL, drafts/salary caps/ and in the AFL absolutely no Free Agency, well it has led to these results
NRL 8 different premiers (champions) this decade
AFL 7 different premiers this decade
Thats what gives sports widespread support and underpins the success of the league as a whole,
Not saying I want it to happen, just saying that if it does, at least this time I am supporting the equivalent of a Man Utd or the Yankees
Pommylee
Agreed.
Incidentally, if you’re interested, my friend Jim McLennan at the Snakepit wrote a great article about the need for a salary cap in Major League Baseball.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
by DbacksSkins on Dec 15, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
good article +
Joe Posnanski made a good point in an article a while ago
he said that at least Baseball can sort of get away with it because of the diminishing returns for your investment by the very nature of the sport.
what he was saying was that in Baseball if Kansas City Royals play the Yankees 100 times, the Yanks will probably win 70 or even a little less
but in the NFL
If you had a Yankees type team, with 5 of the ten best linemen, the best QB, and Top 5 players at all key positions and they played a NFL version of the Kansas city royals, that NFL team would probably win 95/100
and I think that makes a lot of sense.
The article is on Sports Illustrated about 3 weeks ago, sorry I’m quite busy at work so dont have time to put the link up, but if your interested I’ll find it and post the link for you if you like
Pommylee
I really like the point
your friend makes about it not just being the Champions, but the sustained success of some franchises vs the Sustained futility of others
Thats the issue, If a team cellar dwells for a decade then pops up gets a World Series then dumps its players and dissapears agains (a la Florida) then you cant get invested in that team, and that is the issue
Great Article I really enjoyed it
Pommylee
Yeah,
Jim made that same point in his article when he linked to Posnanski’s blog. People would be up in arms if the Patriots went 15-1 or 16-0 every year, but in baseball, the very BEST teams are lucky to win 60% of their games. Hell, the 2001 Seattle Mariners set a record for wins, and they only(!) had a win % of .716. OTOH, going 15-1 yields a .938. The equivalent in a 162 game season would be going 151-11. So, the dominant teams in baseball SEEM less dominant, and the terrible teams SEEM less terrible.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
thats the article
Actually after typing that post I clicked that Posnanski link in your mates article and realised that it was the same one…..Doh!!
Pommylee
Incidentally,
if you enjoyed the article, you might leave a comment letting Jim know. He puts a lot of work into the ‘Pit and he’s not even a US citizen — he’s Scottish.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
That is the point....
what I fear the most is that in this upcoming uncapped year, is the jettisoning of the very few players we have developed and recognized as Redskins for “superstars” from other teams. In effect, becoming the Yankees of the NFL with Dallas being the Sox, or vice versa. It’s this very mentality that’s scared me away from major league baseball I just don’t follow it anymore. I’ve never really followed the NBA because it’s not really a true team sport, one or two players make or break a team. The NFL and the NHL are my two sports of choice because of the way the league is structured not because they’re riddled with superstars. I honestly would rather see Jason Campbell in a skins uniform than someone named Brady, Manning, or Rivers.
Doesn’t it bother anyone else to see Ryan Clark start for the Steelers and know that we effectively traded him for Adam Archuleta because of star status? Especially now with our apparent problem at safety. Remember Stephen Davis? Trent Green? I could go on and on and on…
The world looks mighty different when you're peeking out your belly button
ME!!!!
Doesn’t it bother anyone else to see Ryan Clark start for the Steelers and know that we effectively traded him for Adam Archuleta because of star status?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Ugh......
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
you didn't have a problem with letting Clark go?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
No, I did.
That onomatopoeial grunt was in agreement.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
I was grunting at Snyderatto.
Not at you.
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
I know
that was my onomatopoeial noise for “now I understand”
SpotieOtieDopalicious
ahh
I assumed as much, but just wanted to elaborate
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
Antonio Pierce?
"The existence of flamethrowers is proof that someone, somewhere, said to himself, 'I want to set those people over there on fire, but I don't feel like walking over there to do it.'"
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