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Pour Some Sugar On Me - The 10 Most Irreplaceable Washington Redskins Revisited

At the beginning of the season, I made a list of the ten players (click here to check out original post as well as any comments you or others may have made) I named the Most Irreplaceable Redskins. I attempted to take into account depth at each position, and identify those players who were most central to the success of this year's team. I thought that with the season on ice, it would be a good time to break out the list and see what we (I) thought, and how it worked out. I asked the question, "Who can we least afford to lose to injury?" The list goes from #10 to #1 (as ranked in the preseason):

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10) Hunter Smith - Well, I think I nailed this one. Not only has he been a decent punter for us, he has chipped in on offense, accounting for two touchdowns this season. We might have lost the opener against the Giants, but when Hunter scored his touchdown, we were very much alive. And when he threw the touchdown pass to Mike Sellers against the Broncos a few weeks ago, it was the turning point in the game. Yes, I think his performance this season has been very much worthy of a spot on this list. Coincidentally, when he was out, we did not score any touchdowns from the punter position.

9) Derrick Dockery- Hmmmm...has he been spectacular? No. But he has been in the lineup every week. In fact, you rarely hear his name called, for good or bad. I struggle with what that should mean. You can say he has been our best lineman, but on this offensive line, that is hardly a compliment. And that is only true due to injuries. Coming into the season, here is what I said about Dockery: "Let's not mix words here--we brought in Dockery to be an upgrade, not to hold down the position until someone better comes along. He has to perform well and he has to perform well right away." Given the relative nightmare our line has been all season long, it is just too hard to consider anyone currently in uniform on that line to be irreplaceable. That said, Dockery has probably been our most solid player there.

8) Fred Davis- This preseason, all I envisioned was a stretch of games where Fred Davis took defenses by surprise and single-handedly saved our red zone offense. I always thought it would be in conjunction with Cooley, Portis and Moss though. I think Davis has turned out to be irreplaceable. His talent is undeniable and there is nobody else on the roster who could have stepped in to Cooley's shoes and done as well (Yoder included.) If he continues to progress the rest of this season and into next season, we should have two pretty solid receiving targets working the field from the tight end spot.

7) Brian Orakpo- I took some heat for putting the rookie in here. I mentioned that if he failed to dominate, we would get a steady diet of Michael Oher chants. Well, he leads all rookies in sacks and he has played hard all season. It is very refreshing to see a draft pick of ours come in and contribute at such a high level actually. Certainly irreplaceable for us.

6) Santana Moss- Well...not so irreplaceable this year, eh? We seem to lose him every year don't we? Either to injury or to invisibility. JC can't seem to get the ball to him over the course of a game in ways that change the outcome of the game. HE is by far our best receiver, but at this point in the season, we are finding ourselves all of a sudden capable of moving the ball through the air with any of our receiving options (to the extent we are at all capable on any given week.) The good news is that it would seem we are past the years when our passing game was a one-trick pony with Santana Moss dominating opposing secondaries. The bad news is that we may have wasted some of Santana's abilities by being unable to stretch the field with him successfully this year.

5) Jason Campbell - I said at the time that I felt he was easily our #1 most irreplaceable guy. But with both Todd Collins and Colt Brennan healthy at that point, I moved him down the list a little bit. JC has been a fighter for us this year. He has hung tough week in and week out. You could argue that we have gotten every scrap of ability and effort out of this player. While it is true that an upgrade at this position might have netted us an extra win or two, I doubt it is fair to say it would have meant playoffs. Our offense has too many other problems. Regardless of what happens next season, JC was irreplaceable for us this season.

4) Mike Sellers - I goofed on this one it would seem. On the strength of his lead blocking, I had him as an indispensable member of this offense. Then came the safety in Detroit, and the inability to punch in a few goal line carries early in the season when he just did not seem to get any kind of push into the end zone. Sellers has been a fan favorite in D.C. for a number of years so I am ready to chalk up this season as just a down year for Big Mike. But he has been far from irreplaceable this season.

3) Clinton Portis- We have had the chance to see this one put to the test. Ladell Betts proved to be up to the tack of replacing CP as it turns out. Maybe Ladell should have been the more irreplaceable guy? I think Portis was hurt right away this season and tried to work his way through it even though our rushing attack suffered. It is possible he will never be 100% healthy again in this league. But at that 100% level, I do think he is irreplaceable. Now, I find it hard to fathom we can get through this next draft without using a mid-round selection on a running back.

2) Chris Samuels- This was the most accurate pick on my list. Even when he was playing with a few nagging injuries, he was by far the best we had. Without him, we have shuffled old guys and new guys all over the place trying to find a mix that would somehow get us through the rest of the season. Levi Jones has played admirably well, but to say we have a replacement for Samuels is laughable. The only way we can replace #60 is at the top of the 1st round in an upcoming draft. And then it will still be a battle for the blue-chipper to fill those shoes.

1) Albert Haynesworth- At the end of last season, teams decided to run against us all day long. Remember that? It was awful. Enter Albert Haynesworth. His presence on our defensive line has made a huge impact. Andre Carter and Brian Orakpo are getting sacks. Linebackers are getting to the ball-carrier with more freedom. Our #1 ranked pass defense has a LOT to do with the push Haynesworth gets up front. The added pressure on the quarterback has been noticeable from day one. Without him on the field against the Cowgirls, our pass rush faded big-time in the 4th quarter. The debate about Haynesworth will always include his salary, but on the field, he is priceless and certainly irreplaceable.

I'll say I was right on with Hunter Smith, Brian Orakpo, Jason Campbell (only kill me on this one if you think Todd Collins could have done better), Chris Samuels and Albert Haynesworth. That is 50% and is not so good. Fred Davis and Derrick Dockery are close but because the offense has been so bad this year, it is too difficult to say that they are in fact irreplaceable.

Poll
Who has been the most irreplaceable Redskin this season?
Brian Orakpo
119 votes
Albert Haynesworth
136 votes
Hunter Smith
50 votes
Chris Samuels
115 votes
Jason Campbell
70 votes

490 votes | Poll has closed

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Yeah, I took the most heat for leaving him out

My rationale was that we had decent linebacker depth and with an improved defenisive line, the guys we had on the bench could come in and play decent ball.

by Ken Meringolo on Dec 1, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But would they collectively

come up with something like 10 tackles a quarter?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He has to be top ten

If not #1. He’s likely the only pro-bowler (finally, hopefully) on the roster. He’s the defensive leader. And he knocks various Eagles players out of games.

by Smack27 on Dec 1, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Albert Haynesworth

Teams have probably run up the middle more in the past two games then the entire season. Albert’s presence help everyone around him, and annihilates the middle. Unfortunate we cnat seem to stop running backs on the sidelines.

Get Oher or Maybin please

by Horcasitas4 on Dec 1, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually,

considering how vastly different the season has unfolded the predictions were not that bad. As much as I love Chris Samuels, the line had issues even with him in it, so it turned out he was fairly dispensable. It was getting the rest of the brood to man up that was their bane until the second half of the Falcons game.

Given literally no reasonable alternative whatsoever (thank you Vinny) it has been Jason who has been the least dispensable. Richard Bartell?? Really?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I have been a Todd Collins fan forever

but he could not have withstood the pounding like Jason has.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have finally seen the light .......

Jason has done great for what is in front of him !!

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 1, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, but...

are you Jason’s little brother or girlfriend or something? What gives with this man-crush?

by CarverM on Dec 1, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand the power of peception do you ????

If I had went along with the common JC hater theme earlier in the year how many of these people would still be hating JC 17. I saw what others did not want to see or just did not see. I saw that JC 17 was not the problem but it was and is our Offensive line and weak head coach. So tell me why should I follow people off a cliff just because it is more people saying jump than it was saying not to jump. I stood with the very small majority of people that said JC was a good QB if he had the proper O-Line. It is always easy to be a bandwagon jumper or a johnny come lately. When everyone was saying put Collins in. I explained why we should not.(he is a statue, he played well in playoffs because he knew the Al Saunders Offense) Before on this BLOG just about every other post was JC sucks this, JC sucks, that wow how things have changed.

THE PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD !!!!

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 1, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I admire your contribution to the Redskin's nation.

Carry that flag admirably, brother. I will have a beer for you this Sunday.
I actually like Campbell as a QB, always have. I liked him at Auburn when he make the cHokies look silly in the Sugar Bowl.

by CarverM on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ken you are in the silent minority ........

Try the vocal minority back when this was put Todd in country. Hey we could have changed the name of this room to “Collins Haven” and nobody would have said a word ..

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just glad the Cult of Colt

has been silenced by the IR this season.

by CarverM on Dec 2, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a mere technicality

they’ll be back in full force next August…

until he gets cut and doesn’t get another NFL job.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 2, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like him as a player

but his disciples are obnoxious, like Cowboys fans and democrats.

by CarverM on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

jebus christ, I am not looking forward to this offseason

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 3, 2009 6:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am

we dominate in the offseason

by CarverM on Dec 3, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I've seen the reality...

we can justifiably criticize Jason for shortcomings that go beyond line protection. However, he is the best option we have this year and for at least the next year and should be allowed to compete for the job until he gets beat out by someone demonstrably better.

Then again, with our record, no one was indispensable. The St. Michael’s Quilting Society could have picked up a couple more wins against the first 6 teams we faced.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Our line and offense would be MUCH better with Samuels in there

IMO

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Dec 1, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Samuels dispensable?

Agreed the line had issues with him in, but those issues were mostly on the right side of the ball. This was especially true in the run game. Levi Jones has done a GREAT job filling in but that was AFTER we adjusted to the 3 step drop, dink&dunk game we see now…

IMHO I think we miss Samuels absence more than anyone, thus making him in-dispensable

by chbooth_66 on Dec 1, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 2, 2009 3:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong (but in a nice way)

If he can be replaced = dispensable
The fact that LJ has been more than adequate proves this
Also, the line play improved after he was gone…not his fault as he was carrying the whole left side, but they are now playing better than at any time during the first 6 games of the year. Not saying I don’t love Chris – he is a perennial PBowler in my book. Just happens not to be indispensable this year.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

???

Am I missing something here about his potential retirement?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The season's on ice?

I’m still thinking we could run the table. The Saints will be hungover from Monday night, Oakland stinks, the Giants have packed it in, we will handle the ’Girls at home, and San Diego will have sealed their playoff spot by week 17 and will rest their starters. HTTR!

by CarverM on Dec 1, 2009 3:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Puff, puff....puff...bogart...puff, puff

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever happened to sharing?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Optimism

like your stuff, is supposed to go up in smoke if you are a Redskin fan, for true?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remain optimistic

to protect my sanity. Perhaps this is trading one insanity for another, but life is much less depressing if spent in a burgundy haze.

by CarverM on Dec 1, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are correct, Sir!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 1, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+2

is it my turn now?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 2, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There's plenty to go around

we’re still going to finish 8-8 folks!

by CarverM on Dec 2, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Other than the Browns, Dallas, and the Raiders

do any of the other teams in league have so many organizational problems that prevent them from winning games? It’s maddening. We end up nit picking players and coach’s decisions to death because we are so close to being a decent team. Now again, we are proudly hoping for 8-8 when we had one of the easiest schedules in the history of the league.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Puff, puff....

thanks, I needed – hey look at the chicken!!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

When it’s boiled down, it’s just more fun to be optimistic.

by monk81 on Dec 2, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Derrick Dockery

“9) Derrick Dockery- Hmmmm…has he been spectacular? No. But he has been in the lineup every week. In fact, you rarely hear his name called, for good or bad. I struggle with what that should mean. You can say he has been our best lineman …Dockery has probably been our most solid player there.” Dockery has done much better with the Skins than with the Bills last year in that his sacks allowed are greatly reduced. The Skins would do well to get someone as good on right guard or tackle – at one of the positions in 2010. http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/11/27/1175925/redskins-sacks-allowed-and
A 0.5 sack allowed in the first 8 games with the Skins. He had 8.25 sacks allowed in 16 starts with the Bills in 2008. Jason Peters did not do very well with the Bills either.

by Jefferson1935 on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

London Fletcher deserves to be on the poll

he is the leader of the defense, and their most irreplaceable Redskin

by Crazy Canton Cuts on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well obviously

But I didn’t have him in there in the preseason. I can’t cheat you guys by making myself look smarter now. I have to live with my stupidity.

by Sugar on Dec 1, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction

There are a lot of people that have to live y=with your stupidity, inculuding, your wife, kids, your genius brother, KevinE…

by monk81 on Dec 2, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

We need this type of accountability here and with the entire Redskins organization.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Beathard?

Oh, you mean THIS year?

First of all, I have a real hard time calling ANY of these guys irreplacebale. But I’d have to go with a tie between Fletcher and Haynesworth. Our defense has been gutted without Big Al, and I couldn’t imagine what it would look like without Old Reliable – Steady 59.

by CJHutch on Dec 2, 2009 2:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

How many QB's .....

would we have gone through if JC 17 was not our QB .. Hell who else could have withstood the pounding ???

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 2, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leave the country for one day

and there are a lot of new faces ’round these parts.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 2, 2009 3:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your absence

was noticed. Off to Canadia?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Herein lies the danger of web communications....

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forget the MySpace killers

we now have to look out for the HogsHaven predators

by CarverM on Dec 2, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm only saying

Don’t go into the basement!! :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Dec 2, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

it’s funny, I’ve been to a lot of places but never Canada for some reason. Actually met a guy here that was in a caravan there though

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 3, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nah

Germany actually. visiting the wife’s folks and getting drunk out of my little american mind every night.

and because of the time difference, I’m on here when you guy’s are catchin ZZZ’s.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Dec 3, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Guys !!!

Jasons Mom has arrived …….

by LETJASONPASS on Dec 2, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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