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Washington's Signs Of Life Confiscated By Falcons In 31-17 Defeat

Todd Yoder provides a highlight-reel type of catch in the back of the end zone as the Redskins fought their way back into the game.

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Todd Yoder provides a highlight-reel type of catch in the back of the end zone as the Redskins fought their way back into the game.

As awful as the first half was to watch, the second half was that much fun. Far be it for me to proclaim this team to be a contender, but in the second half, there was some actual football being played by the guys wearing white-on-white. It was uncanny how much more successful our offense was after the halftime break. Screen passes worked, the running game was churning up the yards, and there were no drive-killing penalties that caused me to scream.

It is easy to say the game was decided in the first half. But the truth is that when we gave the Falcons the ball back down 24-17, there was every reason to believe that a win was possible. That was the high point of the game for Redskins fans, and whether you want to call it sad or depressing, it may have been the high point of the season so far. Being in a game against a good team with the momentum going our way is a feeling we have not had around here for some time. As we find ourselves squarely in the middle of what promises to be a difficult season to stomach, this is a feeling/moment I won't take for granted.

Star-divide

Trying to look back at that first half and make some sense of it is like attaching a grenade to your scrotum and hoping for the best. It just didn't go well. We gave up big plays on defense, we gave up big plays on offense and we committed penalties that turned into points for them. The only thing missing from the first half was a hundred dollar bill on the night stand.

There was no reason to hope for anything different in the second half. But when our offense took the field and drove 80 yards for a score, I thought to myself, "This I can watch. If we lose, so be it, but this is actual football and this is worth staying tuned into." The subsequent stop by our defense was great and when we pulled to within a touchdown I could not have been the only one thinking the win was in our sights. Rock Cartwright and Ladell Betts were rolling. As if by magic, our offensive line opened up holes they were able to run through and we mounted honest-to-God drives.

Ultimately, once again the team did not do enough for 60 minutes to win the game. The foolish penalties from our $150+ million off-season acquisitions (Hall and Haynesworth) were gut-wrenchingly bad. Haynesworth's pair of offsides penalties were great bookends to the Falcons' opening drive that set the tone of the game early. Hall's battle royale with the entire Atlanta sideline would have been more upsetting if it wasn't so easy to see coming. It reminds me immediately of the line from last week's Parks and Recreation episode where Ron Swanson describes his relationship with his ex-wife. "We are oil an water. Or oil and TNT and C4 and a detonator and a butane torch." That sums up DeAngelo Hall's relationship with the Falcons I guess. Good thing we aren't playing the Raiders this season. Oh crap. LaRon Landry seemed to manufacture sloppiness at times, and once again, the opponent took advantage of the cushion we insist on giving every receiver in the league.

On a higher note, Jason Campbell refused to give up on the game despite being knocked out of it twice. His ability to keep soldiering up as the world crumbles around him is remarkable. The question that comes to my mind is will we ever get to really judge his football abilities behind a legitimate line for an extended period of time? You can question him on any number of fronts these days, but you can't question his toughness and you can't question his commitment to his teammates. Another bright spot on the day for me was Brian Orakpo getting to Matt Ryan. The kid proved yet again that he is an extremely capable pass rusher.

We came up short in the end but there was at least the hint of an air of respectability after that second half. Respectability doesn't get us in the playoffs, but it does make watching the games a lot more fun. I'll end with the stat breakdown below. What number stands out to you? Four 1st downs from penalties! That plus the defensive touchdown Atlanta scored stick out most for me, as I am sure they do for you guys as well. I mean, look at these numbers. We were in this game.

 

Team Stat Comparison
 
1st Downs 17 18
Passing 1st downs
11 6
Rushing 1st downs
6 8
1st downs from Penalties
0 4
3rd down efficiency
9-16 4-11
4th down efficiency
1-3 0-0
Total Plays 64 54
Total Yards 312 306
Passing 176 125
Comp-Att
19-27 17-24
Yards per pass
6.5 5.2
Rushing 136 181
Rushing Attempts
32 27
Yards per rush
4.3 6.7
Red Zone (Made-Att) 2-2 1-2
Penalties 10-88 7-54
Turnovers 1 1
Fumbles lost
0 0
Interceptions thrown
1 1
Defensive / Special Teams TDs 0 1
Possession 33:32 26:28
Poll
Which Redskin player was the brightest spot in this game for you?
Brian Orakpo
244 votes
Jason Campbell
73 votes
Ladell Betts
189 votes
Rock Cartwright
24 votes

530 votes | Poll has closed

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SEASON OVER

The players gave up on the season, so why should us fans care?
Vinny’s picks have done nothing and will continue to do nothing. Get Jason Campbell out of here. Get Zorn, both Shermans, Carlos Rogers, Laron Landry, and Vinny Cerratto OUT OF HERE.

After the Super Bowl we waited 7 months for the season to commence. It lasted 8 weeks. And to think some us actually thought the NFC Champ. game was within arms reach.

See everyone at the draft.

by Elaw6 on Nov 9, 2009 12:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We care.

Because we’re fans.

by SSBlitz on Nov 9, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Adios, muchacho

Don’t let the door hit you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

let it

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

While folding laundry....

I told my wife that ultimately, it didn’t matter if the Redskins win or lose…. they just need to be entertaining, something that the bad teams of the 90s still were. We weren’t entertaining yesterday in the first half. We were in the second. Simple as that.

Oh, and something BIG happened, that from your tone you didn’t catch yesterday, Sugar. Hope you have it Tivoed, because this is going to be the controversy of the season. Late in the first half, JC was hit and knocked out of the game. While swapping back and forth between the field action and the sidelines, Fox kept cutting to JC with the trainer. My wife reads lips, and was sitting there (remember, the only way I could watch the game was to fold laundry). She read Jason’s lips while he talked with the trainer.

Now, I’m a JC fan, or have been. His performance in the second half is what I think he could do EVERY half, day in, day out, on an average day if he had a decent line, and that second half was winning football. But Jason told the trainers (and this is a quote) “I just don’t want to play in this game anymore.” Obviously, he changed his mind, but Jason quit on the team for at least a few minutes yesterday, late in that first half (not saying I totally blame him… where were the late hit calls on the Falcons? I saw at least two roughing calls that should have been called, which were far later than the second personal foul at the end of the half, including the play right before JC left the game). JC is one of my favorites on this team, which is why I’m so disappointed.

Check your Tivos.

by BillWard on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

I don’t like to hear that. But that was my first thought when he stayed down both times. Neither one looked like terrible hits, its just the sum of what has happened all season. Vinny should be charged with reckless endangerment.

by Boo. on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were JC

I’d asked to be benched! It’s not worth your career to satisy a fan base that two complete F***ing idiots with fairy tale sized egos are running into the ground as fast as they can.

by skinsymets on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It would be nice if his O-line picked him up

Off the ground once in a while. It looks like they don’t give a crap about him. If your an O-linemen and you just let your QB get smacked, get back there and at least give him a hand. Geez.

by Kurtstack on Nov 9, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That pisses me off also

Pick your QB up you sorry excuse for NFL linemen. Show some professionalism. The least they can do is act like they care about their QB getting KILLED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

On one sack

Mike Williams got suckered on an inside spin move. Jason had no chance. There were only 3 defensive linemen rushing. This is one experiment that has to end.

by Jefferson1935 on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Any thoughts?

Does it surprise anyone else that we played our best football when we had numerous “backups” in the game? Betts, Cartwright, the majority of the O-line, even Marko Mitchell were in there and we looked better than we have the rest of the season.

Our defense didn’t give us the chance that they have been giving us either.

What’s going on?

by HTTRedskins on Nov 9, 2009 6:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We have

pussies in our defensive backfield who won’t make a tackle.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It shouldn't suprise anyone when they pay vets extroadinary amounts of money.

The defense knows when the game is over………….and that is when the other team scores 17 points. They might as well jut turn around and play offense to. Their getting tired both physically and mentally from being on the field that much these first 8 games. EXPECT IT TO GET MUCH WORSE. However, Vinny says this is a playoff caliber team, he just forgot to draft O – lineman these past 10 years.

by skinsymets on Nov 9, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The backups have something to play for

And you can see that passion manifest itself on the field. I can’t remember our starters ever playing with the kind of heart and intensity that I see in these back-ups. They have something to prove. I really want to see more of Marko Mitchell. He seems to want it a hell of a lot more than Kelly and Thomas.

by Kurtstack on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of these guys need to relearn basic football fundamentals, namely – HOW TO TACKLE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to give props

to Yoder, another backup. Not only did he do the Redskins mini-version of Montana to Clark, but I’d have to say that his blocking was a part of the run game success. Also, I don’t know who said what at halftime, but they need to be saying it every day.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

you got it...

blocking- something this team desparately needs! Get those blockers out there!

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's another coaching decision mystery

Why hasn’t Yoder been used more in the blocking game?!?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's been

a season of coaching decision mysteries. I’m only surprised when things go right as in the second half.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, we were down three TDs

just sayin

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Halftime Offensive Adjustments

Those were the best half-time offensive adjustments I’ve seen since Joe Gibbs I. I’m going to keep this positive so I won’t get into details about the defense. Also, I really think at this point Betts is a major improvement over Clinton Portis (the bellyflopper). Betts keeps his head up and has the balance to stay on his feet after the first hit. We actually showed signs of an NFL caliber running attack in that second half. I’d like to see much more of Betts the rest of the way. Also Betts goalline plunge into the endzone was terrific. Glad to see us come away with TDs in the Redzone.

PS – Fred Davis work on his blocking really showed. I isolated him several times and often times he would make at least 1 if not 2 good blocks on the run plays. I don’t think he missed any crucial blocks in that game.

It’s nice to have some positives to talk about in spite of the loss. I can’t remember having positives to discuss in a while.

by Kurtstack on Nov 9, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Two bright spots on O.

I agree. I couldn’t believe how fast Betts was flying. He really makes Portis look tired in comparison.

And Davis showered vast improvements over two weeks ago in his blocking.

by SSBlitz on Nov 9, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Betts played really well.

I was impressed. At this point I would almost rather see Zorn experiment with Betts as our primary back. That would give CP more time to heal and maybe come in fresh for 3rd down/goal-line situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone know

what Orakpo’s numbers were? Haven’t seen that anywhere.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He's on his way to a double digit sack rookie season

and that’s with him playing linebacker how much of the time. Vinny Ceratto, the gift that keeps on giving.

by skinsymets on Nov 9, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Looked it up on SI.com

he had 2.0 sacks, giving him 5.5 on the year, 2nd on the team to Carter’s 6.5. On another note, the team now has a total of 21 sacks, 3 shy of our season total last year after only 8 games.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

riddle me this

they say that Orakpo doesn’t have the strength to play DE full time right? And yet he’s 1 sack behind the vet, and he plays at DE roughly 1/3 a series?

Why is Carter still here again? There’s no excuse after another offseason of Strength and Conditioning that Orakpo should not be our premier pass rusher.

Add Jarmon on to that too, because they said he doesn’t have the strength to play his position full time either, so next year there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be starting either.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't heard that
they say that Orakpo doesn’t have the strength to play DE full time right?

IMO, Orakpo is perfectly suited to pass rushing DE

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll see if I can find the article for you

it was in the mailbag at redskins.com so I’ll have to do some digging

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its not strength

its bodyweight vs. the run. Orakpo is probably the 2nd strongest player on the team behind Phillip Daniels. ’Rak will only get stronger though, he has a reputation as a gym rat from his days at Texas. Look up the videos on youtube- the kid is a monster.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea, I just read it again

Orakpo

They were worried that he would get tired out with playing against the run. But like I said, after another season of strength and conditioning, I don’t expect to see Carter as the starter.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I fully expect

Orakpo and Jarmon to book-end our D-line for many years to come. It’ll be the modern-day Mann and Manley- and a hope for the future that we can all be excited about.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Vinny isn't so bad...

haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hold your tongue...

those words are sacrilege ’round these parts

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even my Mom could've gotten that pick right.

Its like he had his war-room on autodraft. A no-brainer. I almost cried when I found out Orakpo slipped to us. I had been reading and hoping for him since the end of the season.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit

I was late to the Orakpo party only because I saw LB as a GLARING need because Marcus Washington was let go (I was all for Cushing at the beginning stages) but then I saw the youtube videos and looked at his combine numbers and knew we needed to get him because he brought tears to my eyes

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll forgive you.

But don’t let it happen again.

Cushing would’ve been a great pick too, but he went too early for us. I saw those guys pretty close when USC slaughtered played UVa, and can attest that all of those USC linebackers are massive.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You forget...

We could have had Oher, who is starting at LT for the Ravens. Not saying Orakpo isn’t a sweet pickup, but I still think O-Line was our biggest need. I JC would agree.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More than that

I regret not having a 2nd and blowing picks on inactive no-names.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That

I can’t argue with.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ORAKPO fell into their laps at 13

he wasn’t supposed to be their. A monkey could have told him to pick him. Oh wait…………. a monkey did tell him.

by skinsymets on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

some GMs build good teams

Vinny builds a good sub-unit (DL) or two

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He might have found a couple of good bricks, but too bad the mortar holding everything together is oatmeal and not actual mortar.

by killianskid34 on Nov 9, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind
Why is Carter still here again? There’s no excuse after another offseason of Strength and Conditioning that Orakpo should not be our premier pass rusher.

I’m ready to see Rak as our designated RDE also. But remember he comes in primarily during passing situations. Not to say that he can’t handle the run, but he’s almost always rushing the passer when he does play which is why his sacks are nearly equal with Carter’s, who’s playing on running downs also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think we should complain about Carter

With all the things going on with this team, we should be very happy that we have someone with 6.5 sacks through 8 games.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't exactly call it complaining

more so than wondering why we insist on playing high-salary players rather than the ones that have proven to be able to do the job and are younger and keep help rebuild the identity of this team

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I think it’s great to have 2 DEs with the potential for double-digit sacks (courtesy of Big AL). It’s just a damn shame that our offensive line isn’t NFL-caliber.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just had to bring the mood back down again

didn’t you VA?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Someone has to

with poopo and milcmann not posting right now.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

milcmann actually gave me pause in one of the threads

he actually felt he felt bad for the things he said about Campbell, and for the things happening to him. I actually had to read it a couple of times to believe it.

Speaking of which, I was at work so I couldn’t really see. How many times did SoulGlo get sacked yesterday?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is SoulGlo?

haven’t heard this one.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

look familiar?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Awww shucks.

I’m not sure of the total, but ATL matched a franchise record with 5 sacks in the 1st half.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jebus

I’ve seen Campbell on his back more than I have my wife (take that however you want)

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not me

I haven’t seen Campbell on his back NEARLY as many times as your wife.

Zing!

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad

I was the first to jump on it. Pun intended.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude!

I always thought JC looked like that guy from ER!

by TomQ on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

5 total, all in the first half

In the first half he couldn’t even set up on a 3-step drop.

literally

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that

But, what he’s been brought in to do, he does VERY well. So why not let him TRY to play the run, the same way they have him TRYING to play LB?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't notice how much time he got

but Blades impressed me yesterday. Put him in at OLB, move Orakpo to end full time and let him make a run at 20 sacks as a rookie.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's WAY to small to cover a TE

Small meaning height wise, he’s listed at 5’10’’ and that’s pushing it. Fletcher’s listed at 5’10" but when they stand next to each other it’s obvious Blades is no where near 5’10".

by skinsymets on Nov 9, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

screw it

let the man play. What have we to lose?

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are mixing up your run-pass

tendencies, like most professional teams, almost any down is a passing down, at least potentially. I would rather play him straight up and give him a series off if he needs a breather.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

But chances are that an offense will probably run at least once on 1st or 2nd. I was just trying to explain that one of the reasons why Orakpo may have almost as many sacks as Carter is because he is mainly brought in on 3rd and longs when the offense is generally passing the ball. That’s not to say that Orakpo isn’t more qualified to be our starting DE, because I think, long-term, he definitely is. But right now, it’s nice being able to mix it up and keep Rak fresh.

If only we could see more Jarmon, too…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Yes

We should be playing Orakp opposite Jarmon 50% of the time to get geared up and ready for next year.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wowsers

Why is Carter still here? Not only is he currently tied for 8th in the NFL in sacks, but he’s been playing the run pretty well, too – including some big tackles for losses on running plays. I sincerely hope that Orakpo continues to develop, and we can work Jarmon into the 3rd down mix as well. But if you think the defense would be better if we dumped Carter, we have to agree to disagree.

There are problems on this defense (Landry’s tackling regressing, Hall’s never having shown up, the cushion that the corners give receivers, etc) but IMHO Carter is not one of them.

by d_c_guy on Nov 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

just to give a summary, the talk ‘round these parts is getting the younger guys in the mix to see if they are the future of this team. the most obvious one to date is the RDE (IMO), because of the fact that we just drafted a stud and he’s playing out of position right now.

Now, I will agree that Carter is doing the damn thing right now. But my original point is that if we have a guy that can possibly do it as well as he and he’s younger, why not play him instead?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scuffle

Should Mike Smith get reprimanded in some way for the scuffle? He’s a coach and should be held to a higher standard. He should never put his hands on an opposing player and he should never say the things he is alleged to have said. The players got emotional but no punched were thrown. But the coaches should never be antagonists in that kind of situation.
Also, where were the other Redskins? Why was Hall by himself for so long? Haynesworth came over which meas that our two new players were defending each other against the whole Falcons team. Shameful. The Redskins players should have been over there pulling Hall out and defending him.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tryon and someone else pulled Hall away

and IMO, the reason there were no other Skins there is b/c Deangelo took it upon himself to start shoving people

also, Mike Smith should definitely be fined. he clearly got in DH’s face and was yelling stuff.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The more I read about this

the more pissed off I get about it. There was one Redskins and about 15 Falcons, and we get two penalties? Thats BS! And Smith’s comments after the game were than he saw a number of black helmets and a number of maroon helmets and he was trying to restore order. If you read Steinberg, he has the whole breakdown which proves that Smith is a liar! I understand that if we were a better team, we may have gotten that call. But that doesn’t make it right. Is there any chance Smith gets reprimanded?

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there's a chance Smith is disciplined

but I’m not holding my breath

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't think Hall was to blame at all

Yeah, it was gonna be a combustible situation with him going to ATLs sideline after that hit by Landry (what an awful game he played?), but Hall was right there and he did the right thing by taking Landry out. He got grabbed by their whole team, and I swear it looks like Mike Smith almost took a swing at him. I hope something comes of this.

by Boo. on Nov 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah Boo...

Landry’s game was so disappointing. He really looked bad on two of Turner’s touchdown runs.

by Sugar on Nov 9, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember earlier during the preseason when we played the ravens

Dawan said that Laron is the one with the natural talent, while he has to work on the things he does. I wonder if Laron still has this mindset that he doesn’t have to work on anything, and can just let his natural abilities do it for him.

He should know by now that it AIN’T workin

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All the talent in the world

Won’t help you tackle a man when you lay on the ground and hope he’ll trip over you on his way to the endzone. My goodness, stay on your feet a lay a hit on the man!

by Kurtstack on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For all the times that we complain about LaRon

going for the big hit in the open field and whiffing, he doesn’t go for the big hit when the runner is coming through traffic and whiffs. Its like the guy wants to miss tackles. If he comes at Michael Turner like he came at Jacobs on that infamous hit, then Turner is on his ass and no 50-yd TD occurs.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Truth
If he comes at Michael Turner like he came at Jacobs on that infamous hit, then Turner is on his ass and no 50-yd TD occurs.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 9, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This morning

Theismann was saying that Landry is afraid of contact. I don’t agree but now its out there.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe getting called out

and being labeled a pussy will light a fire under his rear.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt terl

has a good recount of this (with the video) in the Skins blog. Check it out. It really does look like Smith takes a swing at Hall. Smith seems like a real dirtbag of a head coach.

by CarverM on Nov 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he doesn't do anything for me...

Then again, the guy they had down there before him (Petrino) was a real d-bag too. And no way he had any of his players’ backs either. If Petrino was on the sideline, Hall would have smacked him for sure.

by Sugar on Nov 9, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Falcons Perspective...

Just thought I’d chime in on this discussion to offer the perspective of a Falcons fan.

1. Smith should not be held to a higher standard than players. They’re all grown-ups. It wouldn’t be any less excusable for a player to throw a punch than a coach. It’s uncalled for all around.

2. I don’t believe Smith’s account of what happened, but I don’t believe that Hall was without fault either. Smith didn’t look like he was “keeping order” or whatever, but I’m not sure I saw any punches thrown either.

3. What do you expect to happen when the opponent clearly fouls your franchise player right in front of your bench. Landry showed terrible sportsmanship on that play.

4. @CarverM: Smith is anything but a “dirtbag.” He’s actually a big teddy bear. He’s feisty during games, but he’s truly a nice guy.

5. This is the second time that Smitty has gotten in an opposing player’s face (last year vs. Tampa Bay) for a late hit on the Falcons sideline. They players LOVE him for it. They know he will stand up for them, and they eat it up when he does stuff like that. So do the fans. While I agree it’s not cool to start trouble, the fans and players love when he stands up for his players.

Anyways – that’s all. Good game.

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with you that all should be held to same standard...

But I wonder if Goodell sees it the same way…my guess is that if Goodell thinks Smith did anything untoward, he is going to get his with a decent sized penalty. Also, to reiterate my prior point, Smith is probably like Vince Lombardi compared to Petrino to that franchise, right?

by Sugar on Nov 9, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Point well taken...

You are right that while they SHOULD be held to the same standard, it probably isn’t viewed that way by most people. Coaches are seen as the adults, which is unfortunate (for what it implies about the players). While I wouldn’t be shocked if Goodell penalizes Smith, I don’t see it happening. I imagine the referees will be questioned, but I suspect if they saw Smith doing something other than talking trash, they would have penalized him also.

After watching the skirmish again, the second angle shown on Fox, it looks like Smith did NOT throw a punch (IMO). The first angle did kinda look like he threw an elbow, but the other angle looked like he was being pulled away and was kind of spun…? It’s really hard to say – you’d hope the refs were unbiased and can recall the situation for the commissioner. I know it looks bad that y’all got the penalty and we didn’t (other than the obvious Landry late hit).

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

After watching the clip

I’m not sure Smith threw a punch either but I do think he had his hands on Hall and he wasn’t trying to :restore order’. He should be fined or penalized in some way for acting inappropriately. He is a coach and coaches should not be putting thier hands on players like that.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's really hard to say for sure...

what happened. Yes, he had his hands on Hall. It was sort of chaotic, so I don’t think you can say with certainty that Smith was trying to hurt Hall.

I will say that Smith probably was talking trash. As much as I don’t really trust Hall, I doubt he made all of that post game interview stuff up. Maybe a little exaggerated, but not a complete lie, I’d guess.

Anyways, it’s all speculation because we were all watching from a distance.

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This all would be moot

if Landry had kept his head and had not been such an idiot on the play.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

He was obviously frustrated – you don’t do this kind of thing when you are ahead.

Hall may or may not have found himself in the middle of something else had this not happened. Not saying it would have been his fault, I’m just saying there’s not a lot of love between him and the folks here in ATL. He was talking trash about our GM this week, and the entire fanbase has been talking trash about him since he left (some since before he left!).

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

It was obviously a late hit and Landry got the penalty. But who is that coach holding Hall’s jersey the whole time PREVENTING him from leaving the sideline?? Hall might have said his piece and walked away if your whole team didn’t surround him for a circle jerk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure who that was...

I suspect that that was the “strength coach” that Hall was complaining about. I didn’t see where he was “flexing his muscles” as reported by Hall. That, that was a bad move on his part.

Circle jerk? Really?

I wouldn’t expect to talk trash to a sideline full of football players and walk away. I have to think he said something, be it in response or initiated. Hall is known for having a big mouth – he was here for four years so we all saw it first hand. Maybe he’s grown up (and as he says, he’s become humbled), but I think he might still have a little bit of that same ego that got him in trouble here…

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

none of this

excuses Smith’s actions. Or the strength coach for that matter. Everyman is responsible for his actions and re-actions. Smith was wrong as was his strength coach and as was Landry.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't say I disagree with your logic...

I still can’t say for certain that Smith wasn’t just trying to pull Hall away. I’ll admit it’s unlikely, but I’m not judging him because there is a lot of questions regarding his involvement and intentions. I will say that the strength coach’s involvement was pretty clear, and was inappropriate.

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

We’ll agree to disagree on Smith because you don’t seem like a douchebag at all. I’m used to iggle and cowbelle fans. We’ll agree on the assistant coach. We’ll agree on Landry. We’ll even agree on Hall. We’ll also agree that the Redskins are the greatest team in the history of all of sports.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cheers...

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Don’t blame you for being a little touchy with those kinds of fans in your division.

For the record, I’m not saying Hall did anything wrong during that skirmish, I’m just speculating based on his record. I actually kind of feel bad for the guy. Not saying he didn’t deserve some of the criticism he’s been dealing with, but his reputation is probably a bit overblown.

The Skins are a traditionally good team having a bad year. I hope things turn around for you guys – no ill will here.

Good luck with the rest of the season and feel free to visit the Falcoholic any time!

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think what you're missing here is the fact

that Hall wasn’t allowed to leave the sideline because your strength/conditioning coach grabbed his jersey and half the Falcons roster + Mike Smith surrounded him and commenced to the molestations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is absolving landry

Nobody is saying that Landry didn’t deserve the penalty. Redskins fans are tired of his crap too. But that doesn’t excuse Smith. He is still responsible his actions and re-actions. He was not right to go over there and he’s a lying in his account of it afterward. That almost makes it worse that he’s a liar too.
Landry deserved the penalty. But the refs just gave all the falcons players a pass and that’s wrong. Smith was absolutely wrong in his reaction and should be suspended for it.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to tell...

I don’t know that you can say with absolute certainty that he lied. It actually looks like he’s trying to pull Hall away at first, and then as it get’s more rowdy, he gets rowdier too. I think the league will look into it and the referees will probably be interviewed to get their take. I suspect there will be some sort of closure.

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't possibly believe his story.

He says that he saw a bunch of Maroon helmets. There was only one. It was very clear that nobody showed up to help Hall at all. Even Landry had walked away. The players and that strenght coach held him there. Smith was there as fast as any players were. There were no Redskins besides Hall. At least be honest about it. The league will definitely look at it but there is no way you can watch that tape and say that Smith had any intention of “restoring order”. He was screaming and cursing. He was yelling right at Hall as he was in there. It isn’t hard to tell at all. Just be honest or go back the Atlanta blog.

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, I'm just giving my opinion.

I’m no more biased than you are. You are always welcome on the Falcoholic, as long as you are respectful, which is what I’m trying to do.

There was a moment when there was one “maroon helmet” and then there were many “maroon helmets.” Yes, Landry was gone.

Again – I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just saying that it isn’t all that clear. Just imagine if you were trying to break up a potential fight: could you see yourself screaming? I’ve had to break up my dogs from attacking a cat and I was screaming my lungs out – it’s a reaction in these sorts of situations. Again, I’m not saying that is what happened, I’m just saying it’s a plausible scenario.

by TomQ on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

No one breaks up a fight by getting in someone’s face, throwing an elbow, and talking smack. Mike Smith clearly got caught up in the mob scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how...

…the big story of what was probably the dirtiest, most dangerous, and most flagrantly unsportsmanlike play of any NFL game yesterday is that Mike Smith is the bad guy.

by Mountvillainy on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I love how...

I haven’t heard one Falcon homer yet admit that their HC lost control and then lied about it afterward. We’ve all acknowledged that what Landry did was wrong and it’s a moot point anyway because he got flagged for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 9, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He lost control

And it appears that he either wasn’t telling the truth or isn’t remembering the situation correctly. There, I said it.

But let’s not absolve Hall completely here. He went to the sideline with something to say—again, Landry and Ryan were walking away—and whatever it was got him surrounded. Doesn’t excuse what follows at all, but given his extensive history he clearly was looking to mouth off to his former team and not specifically, as he claimed, pull Landry away.

The whole situation is kind of a mess, and I wish it had never happened.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 9, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Dave.

You summed that up nicely.

Nobody really knows what was said down there on the sideline. Maybe Hall said something about someones mama?

How can a Falcon fan “admit” to something that is unclear? We don’t know all the facts. I’ll admit that Smith looked pretty pissed off, and probably “lost control.” It’s also possible that he was in total control and used this as an opportunity to get some street credit. It’s also possible that he truly was trying to pull D-hall away and end this thing. Who knows?

Can’t help you if you’re pissed at us. No disrespect intended, but I doubt you (or D. Hall) would be making such a big deal out of this had your team come out on top (which could have easily happened). You played a good game, and the scuffle was unfortunate.

Anyways, we’re playing the Panthers next week. How ’bout you guys?

by TomQ on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, the falcoholic

praised mike smith for his cowardly actions. I get that the players like he’s defending them, but he was wrong to do it. Its just that simple!

by monk81 on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've watched this better than a dozen times

I think Smith made contact at some point, perhaps not intentionally, and if the commissioner agrees, he’ll get fined. Which is what he would deserve in that case, though I still admire his willingness to defend his players.

And I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if Hall was talking buckets full of smack while he was over there. The dude talked his way out of Atlanta and burned every bridge while doing it. Not that it would justify any contact, but again, this isn’t happening in a vacuum.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 9, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Upon a few more watchings

I see your points. If the tables were reversed, I think any fanbase who had Smith as a coach would be happy he defended his players, and any fanbase who didn’t would be pissed that he a) appears to have made contact and b) really got into it when he shouldn’t have. I think that’s valid, and a tape that’s not the end all be all here isn’t helping matters.

My big question, frankly, is what DeAngelo Hall was doing over there in the first place. He wasn’t involved in the play as far as I could tell and Matt Ryan and Landry walked off from the sideline with no problem immediately following the play. I recognize that we’re not going to see eye to eye on this, but Hall has to share some percentage of the blame for this incident, whether it’s 25%, 50% or 75%.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 9, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hall definitely bears some responsibility

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's all I'm saying

Seriously, though, I wish you guys good luck for the rest of the season. I wish we were talking about things like how good your offense looked for a good chunk of the game instead of this.

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by Dave the Falconer on Nov 9, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dave, best of luck to you guys

You put up more points on us than anyone has since late 2007. That is saying something. Our dislike of Mike Smith will be a fun storyline the next time we play you—chances that he will be your coach for a long time are great.

I would take a head coach that other fans disliked for whatever reason in return for a winning record and a chance at the playoffs (except Tom Cable…and Steve Spurrier…not fond of Norv Turner or Eric Mangini…you get the point though).

by Sugar on Nov 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0uJZqr9Us you can clearly see hall is trying to walk away but smith is holding him there if you need proof just watch when they pull smith away hall moves that way like he is pulled

by confederate_gent on Nov 10, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+10

I never new he had such fancy feet, but he sure got the job done on the TD.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I've been saying...

the whole play was reminiscent of Montana to Clark; with JC rolling to his right and holding it, holding it, and then he let’s it go and no one is there until all of a sudden Yoder comes into the screen at the back of the end zone and somehow gets both feet in bounds. Great play!

Mike Wise in his column today also alluded to it being our version of The Catch.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Wise went too far

IF…big IF…that play had the same effect as the Lavar touchdown against the Panthers when we were 0-5, it would be our version of The Catch. The catch has to mean something for it to be anyone’s version of The Catch.

Based on our lack of scoring, we are pretty damn close to referring to it as The Touchdown. Because we ain’t got many of those.

by Sugar on Nov 9, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he was a WR in college

my friend from Vanderbilt never fails to mention it

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sugar's Signs of Life

Your feelings about the second-half comeback are exactly the same as mine, and many of the fans, Sugar. For a few minutes, the game spoke of promises and a renewed exuberation in watching our offense play.

The comeback was sparked by several things—slightly better play-calling, a half-time rant by Zorn and Buges, but also by what some thought of as a ‘bad thing for the team’ (the injury to Portis).

As Tandler has often remarked, I believe that either Clinton has lost a step, or that he is too overwhelmed by the distraction of his salary, to really make a difference for the better for the team this year. He just can’t seem to hit the hole with any power.

But no one seems to notice—they just keep calling Portis left, Portis up the middle, Portis left again—in an attempt to keep the ground game a prevalent part of the offense. The trouble is, if you don’t get 6 or 7 yards after two rushes, you are left with protecting Jason for an obvious 3rd down pass attempt. I submit that it’s not entirely the fault of the O-line for our horrible rushing stats this year.

Betts saved us four years ago when Portis went down, precisely because he (Betts) was HUNGRY. I, and many of the fans last Sunday, saw Betts thankful and hungry again for the opportunity to play in this league. 15 rushes for 70 plus yards is something that we have not seen this year, exempting the game where Clinton had the long run.

Though the O-line is not well practiced with each other, and Betts has virtually no snaps in practice, he proceeded to run like someone who is hungry—3 yards, 6 yards, 9 yards, 15 yards, etc. It was fun to watch, because he provided something that we have not seen this year at all—a threat from the run game that gave Jason a few more micro-seconds when it was time to pass.

I can’t believe anyone else who has a knowledge of the game didn’t see the change after Clinton was replaced, but I haven’t seen ONE comment on Betts from Hogshaven, the Post, or any other blogs.

If the ’skins get him more reps this week, we will see a difference in the play calling in coming games. 2nd and 5, or 3rd and 2, etc. etc.

Have faith. This is a team in major turmoil, and the collective consciousness of all of the fans is actually having an impact, even if we don’t know if it’s Vinny, Jason, or Zorn who is leaving. Perchance they all will.

Vinny has done very little for the postive outlook of the team. Jason, who is under the microscope, has a better passer rating this year than over half of the league’s QB’s, even in spite of being sacked more than any but two QB’s. Zorn was handed a team that was built upon another coach’s ideal, and handed way—too much for a first-time coach (QB coach, play-caller and head coach).

We have the players in place now to make less than a mockery of this year. Betts will prove to be a blessing.

My thoughts, and wondering what you think.

landuin

by landuin on Nov 10, 2009 12:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

is it just me

or does it seem like the skins don’t play ball till the game is lost? i mean don’t get me wrong here i love the skins and still will cheerer them on no matter what, but come on here lets be honest they can’t punch the ball into the end zone until the game is pretty much over.. Which most will say they have no heart, but to me it looks like they just need to relax and play ball and have some fun..

as to the Hall deal he did the right thing he went over there to get young Landry out of there, and while he was trying to walk away their coach grabs ahold of him.. to keep him there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI0uJZqr9Us clearly you can see hall trying to walk away but smith won’t let him.. even after he was trying to walk away another coach grabs ahold of him until fat Albert pushes the pile back..

by confederate_gent on Nov 10, 2009 2:47 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's not just you.

Our offense tends to look good once we’re down multiple scores and the other team takes the foot off the gas.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 10, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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