Riggins slams Snyder, again, on Inside the NFL:
by shvd98z24 on Nov 5, 2009 12:06 AM EST
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I just got done reading an article by Mike Florio on ProFootballtalk.com ( I know, I know), about a recent interview by Riggins on Inside the NFL! I don't have Showtime so I haven't got to see it but at seems as though Riggins could lead the Revolution! To be honest, I am not sure to make of it......I mean I like Riggo but he is a bit of a wild card. I love his candor but part of me always questions Riggins motives. I will copy and paste the article after the jump!
In one of the most scathing rebukes to date of Redskins owner Daniel Snyder by a former Redskins player, Hall of Fame running back John Riggins relentlessly targeted Snyder during an appearance on Showtime's Inside The NFL.
Via Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post, here's a taste of what Riggins had to say.
"[T]his is a bad guy that owns this team," Riggins said of Snyder. "I'll just tell you that upfront. Bad guy. And if the Commissioner is worried about potential new owners and saying some of these guys shouldn't apply, he might want to police his own inside guys."
Asked by host James Brown why Snyder is a "bad guy," Riggins elaborated.
"Because his business practices, I think. I don't want to say they are unethical, but I don't think it's a place, a climate that is created there where people can be successful. It's driven all by his ego and everything has to come from him. And I just don't think you can be successful in those situations and when you are dealing with someone with the mindset of a child and yet owns a franchise in the NFL. I think you have some problems there. . . .
"This person knows nothing about football, absolutely nothing," Riggins said. "I don't think they have a clue how a football team comes together, how it works. And yet they are the ones that are basically calling all the shots through a puppet, which is Vinny Cerrato. That is my take on it. . . . I speak for the fans because these are the people that paid my salary for all these years. They are the ones that need to know that this is a bad guy."
Cris Collinsworth then pointed out that there's a "fine line" between being a "bad guy" and a "bad G.M.," and Collinsworth asked Riggins whether he thinks Snyder is a "bad guy."
Said Riggins: "Let me put it to you this way, Cris, this person's heart is dark."
The Redskins declined comment to Steinberg.
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Dark Heart!
wow…those are….uhhhh…strong words!
hehehehe
wow.
by Sugar on Nov 5, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
umm
ok, bad owner? sure
bad g.m? of course
but I think he’s fishing with the dark heart thing.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 5, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok
A person with his credentials and $$$$ should certainly know enough to put someone with some sense of football operations in charge. You don’t have to be a great football mind to be a great owner; you just need to have the right pieces around you. Having Vinny running the team is like giving your 3 year old the keys to your new sports car and then paying state officials to shut down the interstate while they go out and have fun. Ultimately, their still going to crash.
by Tiller56 on Nov 5, 2009 9:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
the thing that made me raise my eyebrows is that riggins is implying that he’s some kind of spawn of satan.
i hate what the guy has done to them team, and despise cerrato (his eyes alone piss me off), but I don’t think the guy is evil or something. just a pompous ass who can’t seem to get out of his own way.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Riggo is working the controversy
for all it’s worth. I love it! Hope he doesn’t get hit with a libel suit.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 5, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how the hell do you know what Cerratos eyes look like
hes always getting about with them ’trendy shades" on!!!
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 5, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When you look at the way
the FO has been abused, the entire organization whipped like dogs, the tantrums, the unbelievable schemes to extract more money out of the fans, cutting off Zorny’s cajones in full public view, etc., etc. – at some point you cross the line between an immature, egotistical and crass capitalist and enter the realm of the “dark heart.”
Riggo may be right. He’s probably witnessed more first hand and certainly heard more second hand junk about the guy then we will probably ever know.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 5, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Riggo
Don’t listen to Riggins. He is dumb as a bag of rocks, and likes to be outrageous. Here, he is talking about things he doesn’t know anything about. He doesn’t know anything about management or how to build a team or about Snyder or Cerrato, or how the various key decisions were made. Snyder and Cerrato are not bad guys, but they have occasionally listened to the wrong people. The worst mistake they personally made was to hire (and keep) Jim Zorn. Jim is a nice guy, but he is operating way past his level of competence. He had playoff caliber personnel heading into training camp, and wasted them. Any hope for the season depends on benching JC, and hopefully start using a basic west coast offense – short passes to a pre-determined receiver, taking pressure off the quarterback.
by Donnio1234 on Nov 5, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
-8
8 of your 9 sentences are moronic… the only one i will agree with you on is —Jim is a nice guy, but he is operating way past his level of competence.— the rest of the garbage that spewed from your mind to this site is rubbish.
“Snyder and Cerrato are not bad guys, but they have occasionally listened to the wrong people.” Yeah, EACH OTHER…
by skinsfan28 on Nov 5, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's going too far
Yes, Snyder and Cerrato are horrible at running the team. But how does that make Snyder a bad person? How does that make his heart dark? Do you even know the guy to make that judgment? In this article, Blache broke his vow of silence to fire back at him, saying basically what I’m saying.
Look, Snyder should not be running the football team. But he’s not evil. He loves the Redskins just as much as the rest of us, as evidenced by the amount of money he’s spent on it over the years. There are plenty of us who, with the same amount of money and control of the team, would have made even worse decisions over a 10 year span. Does that absolve him for his dumb decisions? Of course not! But I don’t want to lynch the guy, I just want him to step away from trying to manage the team… Forever. And stop letting Tom Cruise on the sidelines. I just don’t like that guy. Katie Holmes can come, though lol.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 5, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No he's not, and
let’s call a spade a spade. The geniune content of Riggins’s calling-out of Snyder was not centered on the premise that he possesses a “dark heart”, it’s that he is woefully incompetent, arrogant, meddlesome, an idiot in terms of football-decisions, and imperially feels literally zero accountability towards the popular fan base. When Blache came out of hiding like Dick Cheney to snipe for the boss before running back into the professional, financial, & reputational safety of returning to hiding, no one in their right mind thinks it was because he genuinely thought that the authentic thrust of Riggins’s, and the army of Redskins fans & commentators who agree with him, argument, was that Snyder is an intrinsically evil being. It’s that he’s egomaniacal and this feeds into what has been destroying the franchise since Snyder’s takeover of the team from the Cookes (see above: woefully incompetent, arrogant, meddlesome, an idiot in terms of football-decisions, and imperially feels literally zero accountability towards the popular fan base).
Essentially, Blache counter-pointed the tangential argument that Snyder is inherently a bad person to informally endorse his [Snyder’s] professional credentials (and destruction they have wreaked on the franchise) without having to come out and actually say it (and end up looking like a complete fool for it).
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 5, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree completely
Riggins hardly said anything about the way the team is run by Snyder, which anyone with half a brain could easily criticize. He accused Snyder of egomaniacal, a bad person, and having a dark heart. Those are personal traits that Riggins knows nothing about. One might assume that Snyder has a big ego, but to go so far as to think that that means he hates the fans is just wrong. He wants to see the Redskins win, like every other Redskins fan. Yes, in recent weeks there have been some less-than-fan-friendly rules implemented at FedEx Field, but, overall, he has treated Redskins fans the same way that any other NFL owner has treated their fans: he’s charged them as much as they’re willing to pay, and he’s put as much money as he is allowed into creating a team that the fans will respond positively to. He’s failed at that, but that doesn’t make him evil.
I could have a little more respect for what is being said if it wasn’t from Riggins, who has accused Clinton Portis of being a bad running back in years past. Really? Just because the guy might steal your team record from you doesn’t mean that you have the right to attack his playing style and character. The Dan Snyder comments are just an attempt to get some attention on him. He’s being opportunistic. If he wants to complain about the way the franchise is being run, he can get in line — every former Redskin is shaking his head at this. If he wants to attack Dan Snyder personally, without knowing the guy, he can shut up. None of us can talk about Snyder’s personality, except people who know him (like Greg Blache).
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 5, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is why i believe you are wrong
First read the article: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4626258
Second, if the only people you can trust in re Snyder’s capacity as an owner are the coaches, what does that say for your trust in popular sports media? Are the only people who can comment on the competency of the President as an effectual politician the people whom seriously know him, ie others within his control & w/in his administration? I think your logic is flawed and inadvertently a fan opinon which is entirely too dismissive of Riggins because of his delivery style and because of a prior comment completely unrelated to the present exchange between Riggins & Blache, and therefore a fan opinion which enables the status-quo to remain securely in place because nobody from inside Snyder’s organization is going to call out their boss because we saw what happened to Gregg Williams when he did that. “Every Redskin fan is shaking his head at this”, dude, give me a break…
Third, see:
“Asked to comment further, Riggins did, according to a transcript provided by Showtime.
[Riggins]: “This person knows nothing about football, absolutely nothing,” he said of Snyder. “I don’t think they have a clue how a football team comes together, how it works. And yet they are the ones that are basically calling all the shots through a puppet, which is [vice president for football operations] Vinny Cerrato. That is my take on it.”
Now read more (ie the full text) of the Blache response than the simple defense of the “dark heart” statement:
[Blache]: "We’ve had criticisms from people outside the building saying who Dan Snyder is and who he isn’t," Blache said. "They don’t know Dan Snyder and that’s the problem. Trust me because he and I, we work together. I’m not going to tell you that this is a utopia. There are no utopias in football, and there are no utopias in life. At the same time, enough is enough. Every story, there is one person’s side, another person’s side, and then behind it all there is a third side and it’s the truth." … "I just felt like it was time for somebody to come and throw a little truth out there," Blache said. "We keep hearing these other sides, these other factions, and to be quite candid, the third side — the truth — is that this person, all he wants to do is win. That’s all he wants to do. He will spend his money, he will spend his time, he wants to win, he is here for the people, for the fans, for the Washington Redskins." … "Nobody pains more when we are unsuccessful than Dan Snyder. There is nobody that cares more about the fans than Dan Snyder. There is nobody that wants to win here, more than Dan Snyder. I just think that it’s time to put out there, for you guys to understand, that everything that is wrong with this organization is not Dan Snyder."
Clearly Blache is endorsing that Snyder is a good owner, and by stating that there are "no utopias" that Snyder’s decisions are good insofar as ownership decisions can be because this owner is not es-specially bad since no ownership decisions are perfect.
You’re partial reading of the text of Riggins & Blache’s statements is vastly overstating the “evil person” component of the Riggins-Blache debate and completely blind to Blache’s informal endorsement of Snyder’s decision-making by mitigating our idea of what competent NFL ownership is via stating that "nobody’s perfect" and that ultimately everything that is wrong with the organization is not attributable to Snyder. Which is obviously ass-wrong.
1. If you read the full text of Blache’s response, he is saying much more than "Snyder is not intrinsically an evil person".
2. He is mitigating our criticism of him [Snyder] by saying that no ownership in the NFL is perfect, and ultimately all of the franchise’s obvious & well-chronicled major problems are not attributable our owner.
3. Therefore Blache is endorsing the idea that b/c no ownership is perfect that Snyder’s decisions & competency in his capacity as an owner of our NFL franchise, if not right, are as right as ownership decisions can be anywhere in the NFL.
4. And I believe Blache is absolutely a bitc* motivated by a desire to keep the status-quo and keep his handsome checks for defending Snyder this way. …Essentially and with that, after his statements, Blache resumed his media silence. He took no questions and offered no commentary on what actually is the problem with this team… It’s an easy logical inference that none of the current staff including Blache will be able to get a similar position of authority compared to what they have right here, right now, and definitely none will get anything better than what they have here, when ultimately sacked.
Believe me, i almost threw up when i read Blache’s statement that: “I just felt like it was time for somebody to come and throw a little truth out there,” Blache said. “We keep hearing these other sides, these other factions, and to be quite candid, the third side — the truth — is that this person, all he wants to do is win. That’s all he wants to do. He will spend his money, he will spend his time, he wants to win, he is here for the people, for the fans, for the Washington Redskins.” …
… “Snyder is here for the fans of the Washington Redskins”???
It’s obvious that Blache is Snyder’s bitc*, because this is a bullshi* kissa*s snowjob if I’ve ever seen one.
I just think your take on this whole exchange seems wholly distracted by the extremely tangential "Snyder is inherently a bad person" arg and completely blind to the rest of the text and nuance that accompanies Blache’s defense of Snyder. Blache is obviously saying much more than "Snyder is not an intriniscally evil person", and it has everything to do with endorsing the status-quo and Snyder’s ownership of the Redskins.
As a supplementary note: Note also that Riggins’s criticism that Snyder is egomaniacal and the contention that Snyder has a dark heart are two independent critiques.
The criticism that Snyder’s egomaniacal (see above: feeds into his woefully incompetence, arrogance, meddlesomeness, idiocy in terms of football-decision-making, and his imperial feeling of literally zero accountability towards the popular fan base) is that it is a personality trait that is sufficiently related to his identity and impact as an ownership & front-office kingmaker with clear direct impacts on the destruction of the Redskins franchise. The “dark heart” argument is insufficiently related to Riggins’s criticism of Snyder as the Redskins owner, micromanaging kingmaker of decision-making for the franchise from the top-down, and sterilizer of the fan experience at FedEx and is only a contention that Snyder’s overall identity apart from football is that independently, he’s a bad person, and that will in addition to his egomania in the context of his identity as the owner and chief meddler of the Redskins organization, constructively destroy the franchise.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 5, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know, “whoa nellie” i wrote a lot, but Blache is clearly at work doing a lot more than he says he is, and he, like Snyder, exploits his position by maintaining zero public questioning or accountability because literally, since losing his shi* early in the season when first questioned, & since the team has gone down the toilet together with an inconsistent and unsatisfactory defensive product on the field due to Blache’s shi*bag job which has generated woeful underperformance upon woeful inconsistent underperformance this year, he has taken advantage of his position & authority by going into hiding. Literally, Blache has endured as much direct popular accountability as Dan Snyder, and the only time he has emerged from the protection of his going into hiding, has been for this reputational kissas* hackjob defense of his boss.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Season is Snyders Katrina
This ‘no signs’ thing coupled with him not speaking to the media is really really troubling, it shows a man who refuses to even hear criticism let alone consider the merits of said criticism. Think back to W, once he became PResident he never appeared anywhere that opposition might present itself, he openly said he did nto read the newspapers, avoided press conferences and media interviews, appeared at invite only rallys full of supporters and had all his information bought to him by sycophantic toadies whose very posiion in life depended on keeping him happy (hello Vinny) so when Katrina hit he was totally blindsided by the Publics reaction and was completely incapable of recognising the seriousness of the situation (Browny [Vinny] your doing a hell of a job ). And was completely amazed that when presented with situation that could not possibly be spun by his friends in the media to a positive in any way shape or form that he was shown to be clearly in over his head.
Lets just hope that Snyder learns some humility from the results this season
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 5, 2009 6:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Snyder
I’m happy that most seem to agree that Riggins is totally wrong in saying Snyder is a bad guy (“dark heart” and other baloney). Riggins is a know-nothing idiot. But a lot of people say Snyder is incompetent and a bad owner. I think that is unfair and simplistic. Most of the bad personnel decisions were not made by Snyder. He (and Vinny) got a lot of bad advice, some from a shaky scouting outfit. Draft picks and free agent signings were team efforts – agreed to or requested by the coaching staff. Would Snyder have gotten Archuleta over Greg Williams’ objections? Failed to re-sign Pierce, Clark, Harris, Kendall, et al, over the objections of the relevant coaches? It was Joe Bugel who wildly overrated Heyer, Rinehart, Montgomery, Batiste, etc, and thought that Thomas and Samuels would last the year. I doubt that Snyder (and Cerrato) made most of the picks. I suggest that their role was less intrusive than most think – more like “who do you want? We’ll get him for you”, "than “we’re taking him”. The one exception to this might be their best move – to try to get a competent quarterback. It’s likely that Jim tended to support JC – a huge mistake. Cutler is so much better than JC! Management got Jim Zorn good players, but he couldn’t make them into a team. This disastrous season is due to Zorn, Bugel and Campbell, not Snyder or Cerrato.
by Donnio1234 on Nov 5, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are exactly the type of person who keeps Snyder from assuming any accountability
Campbell QB rating is 5 points higher than Cutlers’s, he is 3rd in completion % behind Drew Brees & Brett Favre, and quite obviously, he doesn’t have the benefit of the pass protection of either or a valid running game like Brees’s trio of excellent RB’s or Favre’s possession of the best RB in the NFL for the foreseeable future in AP to keep opposing defenses from loading the box. That he can even manage that with an offensive line that is now inhabited by a guy who hadn’t played professionally in over 2 years & whose main task wasn’t even practicing with the team but trying to get his weight under 400 lbs. and a guy signed off the street is astounding. Sure JC’s passes are mostly dink-and-dunk, but that’s because Zorn installed a WCO that lives, breathes, & dies (mostly dies) on those short passes, and it’s Snyder who chose Zorn with full knowledge of Zorn’s professional heritage in the WCO family and in addition, of Zorn’s woeful incompetence, making the jump from a quarterbacks coach & never having even been an offensive coordinator to the much more serious task of leading a team as head coach, for the job.
Moreover, yes, it is Snyder’s fault. Snyder’s always gotten who he has wanted because his scouts are a rickety bunch of yes-men like Blache (see my comment above in re the Blache-Riggins debate) so he is virtually ensured of getting shi* for advice because the last independent voice within the organization who has seriously acted outside of Snyder’s heavyhanded directives was Gregg Williams, and we all saw how Snyder kicked him to the curb for perceived “insubordination.”
Also, dude, just get real. Cutler has 11 TD’s to 11 INT’s, and the Bears traded 2 first round picks AND a 3rd round pick for him. If we acquired Cutler for that price, we’d be even worse than the shi*bag franchise we are presently, courtesy of your man (apparently), Mr. Dan Snyder.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 5, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Scouting does not excuse focusing ont eh wrong areas
Bad Scounting could be blamed if we chose the Wrong O-Linemen, but bad scounting can not be blamed when we choose the wrong postiion altogether and continually neglect the O-Line
in fact I would contend our scouting is doing well, even when we continually pick the wrong position we get good players at that position, Landry is a above average Safety, Orakpo is a great find at 13 and I still think Thomas and especially Davis have something to show us, and Horton was a good late round pick, again the Scouts would have raised his name
No I am sorry Donnio, the Scouts evaluate talent, Vinny (and Dan) choose where to allocate rescources and their neglect of the O-lIne is a massive indictment on them and them alone
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 5, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
correction
horton was a GREAT late round pick
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 5, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Snyder, Scouting
(Pommylee) By scouting I meant the whole process of evaluating talent. You and others listed a whole bunch of good acquisitions by Snyder and Cerrato – suggesting they didn’t do too badly. No question that they should have overruled Bugel and Zorn and drafted or acquired some good young offensive linemen – which, however, is easier said than done – the draft is a real crapshoot. I think Snyder did pretty well until he hired Zorn – a disastrous mistake. Snyder tried to save Jim from himself by trying to get a good quarterback – a clear signal and warning that he should not blindly stick with Campbell, which Jim ignored. About Campbell – another poster listed all the statistics that show that he is OK. But statistics can lie. I think the stats show mediocrity. He doesn’t throw much but has a relatively high completion rate because he only throws to guys who are wide open. Recent comments from Zorn and many of the players (all defending Jason), including receivers, suggest that JC does not see the field well enough – literally misses 5 – 10 open receivers every game. He does not go to third and fourth receivers – he’s lucky to look at two (Jim benched him after he missed some “obvious” opportunities). He virtually never looks at Devin or Malcolm. He does not have a quick release. He is not accurate on long passes. He cannot throw a fade pass. He does not “make plays”. Try ranking NFL quarterbacks sometime – JC is near the bottom. Think E. Manning, Romo, McNabb, Brees, Ryan, Warner, Hasselback, Cutler, Favre, Stafford, Brady, P. Manning, Falco, Rothlisberger, Palmer, Orton, Cassel, Schaub and some others, including some backups. The Skins will never win much with Jason at quarterback – and everybody except Jim Zorn knows it. By the way, there was a good discussion of the West Coast offense on this board. It all sounded good, the WCO is sort of a myth that nobody can define. But Jim does not seem to be running anything like a WCO, which would seem to me to be a fairly good offense for JC (short passes to set up the run, few decisions). Earlier somebody asked what kind of a team they were, and Jim said “a running team”. That’s a WCO?
by Donnio1234 on Nov 6, 2009 12:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
While you may be right in....
JC appearing mediocre at Qb, you are wrong on so many levels. If you want to bash a player, back it up! Any of us can rip off some names of other starting Qb,s……give me some stats to back yourself up. Although milcmann and I don’t always get along on the topic of JC, he backs his argument up with real stats making it hard for me to argue otherwise! The other part of it…..football isn’t a 2 man sport…..there is so much more to rating a player ( ie: how fast does the defense/offense get off the field, % of run to pass, etc) that go into truly evaluating a player! Secondly, if you don’t know what an offense is (WCO), who are you to question the version that is run here? JC is NOT a WCO QB……he is a drop back, deep-ball QB and that’s it……that’s why he appears mediocre………yes milcmann…I said it…..medicvre and Campbell in the same sentence! Now leave me alone….I have corn flakes to eat!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 6, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“another poster showed all these statistics that show that he is OK. But statistics lie.” dude you talk like you’re trying to perform complex math after a concussion. PS i was that other poster and you totally chose to just say that Campbell can’t “make plays” without paying attention to the argument i made or arguments made by anyone else made. clearly you are dumb.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
back your args up, “donnio” you are wrong on so many levels and provide literally no statistical or argumentative evidence aside from picking quarterbacks on good football teams and saying they are better than campbell without regard to the fact that they not only have offensive lines, better pass protection, better/not battered RB’s that keep the play action honest, that Zorn’s WCO which Snyder and Cerrato knew he would install in the offense is the reason Campbell’s yards-per-pass is comparatively low, etc. Even a casual fan could go all day re how blatantly lazy your comments/analysis are/is.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 6, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree with the rankings of QB's
purely because you have to factor in the Line that he plays behind.
As for your assessment of his weaknesses/causes of frustration, then I do agree wholeheartedly with teh criticism that he does not go through his full read progression and misses open guys, though I would argue that he does not look at Thomas and Kelly because Zorn has just filled his head with negative thoughts on them two, Zorn has just never given them guys a chance, and sometimes he doesnt go through because he has no time.
Now to your ratings
Cutler, no way I would take him over Campbell you say Campbell only throws to open men, I would prefer that to a guy who constanly gambles and throws into double coverage, plus he has a suspect temprament and does not seem to be a leader in any way shape or form
RoMOStill prefer Campbell at this stage, on the most talent laden team in the NFL he has not won a playoff game and also has is suspect mentally
Orton Cassel System QB’s whose repuation has been made by Josh McDaniels who appears to be more and more of a Football Genius every day, and I am sure he would make Campbell look good too
Favre Warner Hasselback McNabb all good but I would take JC’s youth over their age any day
Now I am not saying JC is the 4th best QB in the league behind P MAnnig Brady and Brees, but he is the equal of some of those I have just mentioned and I would argue he is on the exact same level as a guy like Schaub
Corner Backs play on an island but even they rely on their DT and DEs
every position in the NFL is reliant on some others, and QB is the most reliant of all, they can be the biggest positive imact on other players and they can be the most negaitively impacted too
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 6, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pommy
it sounds like all “donnio” does to ‘realistically’ rank good quarterbacks in the NFL is glance at Yahoo’s fantasy football rankings for Week 9
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i agree with you
i don’t even want to think what level of dante’s hell we’d be in if we had traded 2 1st round picks and a 3rd round pick for cutler, who has a lower completion % and QB rating + 11 TD’s & 11 INT’s with a vastly superior offensive line, equally marginal receivers, and a non-WCO that permits him to go deep at his discretion, cassel is clearly a product of that particular system and Romo is probably about as good as Campbell, considering Campbell’s starting tackle is a 7th round pick who wouldn’t start for the montreal alouettes and his starting right guard is a former right tackle who last played in the NFL in 2005 and whose only preseason practice was trying to lose enough weight to get under 400 lbs.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what was even more unforgiveabke about the Cutler offer
was that if you are absolutely committed to dumping Campbell (which I am not BTW) then you knew that this year was a deep pool of quality QB;s in the draft, so why mortgage your future for a guy with a suspect temprament and poor to non existent leadershp
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 6, 2009 6:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe we'd be on the 9th level of hell
simply because they’d be dooming us to another year or two without draft picks, not thinking about what the repercussions of that action could be. sort of like a traitor :)
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 6, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for someone that claims not to know much
you sure do have a pretty good grasp about how things work in this game
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 6, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people always respect your judgement when they agree with you :)))
but thanks I do appreciate it
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 8, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious???
No question that they should have overruled Bugel and Zorn and drafted or acquired some good young offensive linemen
Joe Bugel is the Offensive Line Coach, do you really think that he did NOT want to draft O-Line “I think Snyder did pretty well until he hired Zorn”
Really?? Have we been watching the same team??
by ENsDad27 on Nov 6, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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