The Revolution - Redskins Fans Are Getting Through To Snyder
"All that's necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
When Benjamin Franklin said these words, history found itself carefully perched atop a virtual mountain of international conflict. As the men we now refer to as patriots sought the favor of history, words like these were carefully chosen and circulated to stir the masses. They continue to provide inspiration to us today, and can be applied to multiple parties in our current situation. Listen, I get that we are not in a life and death situation here like they were in Franklin's days. I am simply saying that for us to ignore what is going on here would be even more foolish than me comparing the American Revolution to our Revolution. And I would know, as I am the author of many foolish posts on this site and others.
First, let me just say this: I know some of you are getting tired of reading (or not reading) posts dealing with the state of the franchise. But I believe it would simply be irresponsible to not add to the commentary of what is so obviously happening in our little world right now. This has bled a little into other pieces I/we do and that may be unfortunate, but the fact of the matter is, these issues run very deep...these issues cut very deep. And we will continue to talk about them. You don't hear us calling for a walkout during a game. We aren't selling "Fire Snyder" t-shirts, and we aren't advocating for any overly negative actions that would further embarrass the fans or the players. I do agree though with some of the commenters yesterday that something fun has been missing recently. That is why I am picking back up my Redskins By The Numbers piece starting immediately at #29. I have been consumed with other articles and topics since the season began and left the Numbers piece to pick back up again at the end of the season (the offseason is LONG when you don't make the playoffs.) But I want to try and offer something that was fun for all of us even in the midst of all this turmoil. I realize it is a small gesture, but I hope it is received well.In addition to that, I will try and keep my ranting at least mostly limited to this Revolution post. Maybe that will bring around some of you Hogs Haven old-timers in these discussions more. Now back to the business of the day.
Daniel Snyder has stated publicly that his number one goal is to win. However, his actions to date would suggest his number one goal has been to monetize the emotional investment that so many Redskins fans have poured into their favorite team. He has spent more time figuring out how to turn fan loyalty into profits than on how to turn football players into a team. He has spent more energy censoring the hometown fans than on censoring the utterly ridiculous things that come out of Vinny Cerrato's mouth.
I don't doubt Snyder wants to win. His actions with regard to the management of this football team though suggest otherwise. At what point do you determine that the current management philosophy is not working? People are quick to label Snyder as a successful businessman because of his previous successes. Yet, what about his tenure as owner of the Redskins would point to a man who understands how to build a business? He inherited a wildly successful franchise with a rabid fanbase that was generations old. At the outset he attempted to turn dollars into wins by bringing in past-their-prime free agents. He held coach after coach responsible for mediocre results. As the product deteriorated, he alienated his own legions of fans by dismissing a man like Marty Schottenheimer who actually understood the sport and bringing in a guy like Steve Spurrier who had no respect for the professional game.
How many successful businessmen would go three years, five years, seven years down a path that continually led to the same result: not good enough to contend for a Super Bowl? Daniel Snyder has gone ten years down that path and still has shown ZERO ability to change and improve. When Joe Gibbs came back, we were led to believe that Snyder had learned to tinker and meddle less. What is more likely is that Joe Gibbs simply didn't stand for it, and Daniel Snyder was very much intimidated by the man that had overseen the greatest era in the franchise's history.
The current regime, as Vinny Cerrato so eloquently stated, believes that they gave this coaching staff a "playoff-caliber" roster. If they honestly believe that, we really are screwed.
As always, we base our hope on the premise that it will be Daniel Snyder who figures this thing out and that any future success will be on his watch. He's not going anywhere. But the idea that Vinny Cerrato will be around for another second is absolutely nauseating. Changing the head coach in the middle of a season like this doesn't do a thing. Firing Vinny Cerrato would do a LOT. Look at the Cleveland Browns. They just canned their personnel man and the quote I read was that "it didn't cause a single ripple in the locker room." Here is what I think firing Vinny immediately would do:
First of all, it would give the paying customer something to really grab a hold of in the midst of this terrible storm.
Secondly, it would give the guys who may still actually want the job a chance to evaluate what happens in the next two months and develop a plan of attack to present to Snyder in the off-season. With a little separation from Cerrato and his amazing penchant for taking 25 words to say absolutely nothing, Snyder might actually be able to think straight when it comes to listening to guys like Cowher, Shanahan, and Gruden tell him what they would do if given control of this team. It might give a guy like Roger Goodell a chance to quietly slip Snyder a short list of names to consider for the GM/Personnel/Football Operations role. These lists exist. Right now, with Cerrato mucking everything up, these lists can't help us.
Finally, it would be the easiest way to win back some positive feelings from the fans as well as respect from your peers. There is no way many people in the NFL right now have any respect for Snyder and the way he has run this team into the ground. I believe he has to care about those things at some point--and if we are not at that point now, God help us all.
Yesterday afternoon, Dan Snyder expressed sorrow and regret for the state of things. He is showing signs that he gets it. The team sent out a survey to their season ticket holders. My guess is that they will get a heaping pile of rather heated words. I am very interested in seeing what they do with those feelings and emotions people share with them.
We aren't the only ones keeping these issues on the front burner. A lot of people are expressing their angst in a lot of ways. And at Redskins Park--a place where signs have been all but outlawed, there are signs that it is at least possible we are all getting through. If action occurs and the Redskins move forward in a positive direction, everyone can feel that much better about having added their voice to the cause of helping their beloved team.
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Not buying it
I’m not totally sold on Snyder’s remarks. I think he is sorry that he has screwed up, but I don’t think it is going to lead to epiphanic change.
Also, the results of the survey will probably not see the light of day. From my understanding, this survey has been sent out to season ticket holders before, and if you responded to it once when things were good, it won’t let you sign in to take it again.
I’m very skeptical that we are going to see change from Snyder. Unless the ghost of Redskins past, present, and future show up at his bedside.
by killianskid34 on Nov 4, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not buying one bit of it either
From the transcript it didn’t sound like he was putting any blame on himself. He just feels sorry for the fans…..not! He also said he is just focused on the next game. Well what the hell is Snyder going to be able to do for the next game? Just goes to show he meddles in every football decision including games and plays. What the hell??????
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 4, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His facial expression (video) on Redskins Nation did not look convincing.
“Yesterday afternoon, Dan Snyder expressed sorrow and regret for the state of things. He is showing signs that he gets it. The team sent out a survey to their season ticket holders. My guess is that they will get a heaping pile of rather heated words. I am very interested in seeing what they do with those feelings and emotions people share with them.”
Apparently other teams like the Ravens send out similar questionnaires. So this is really not an indication of trying for significant fan input. The questions asked did not lean toward responses about player personnel decisions or other aspect of management like maintenance of the teams roster.
While not a season ticket holder, I have no real objections to limiting it’s distribution. The sponsors of TV advertising might think otherwise since that is a major source of team revenue.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 4, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The end of Vinny
would be the end of the beginning of the sorry slope this franchise has ridden the past decade. The beginning of the end would put real football people in control of operations. If that doesn’t happen we are doomed to worse than mediocrity on the field and a flagship franchise of the league will be reduced to a pitiful state.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
They are getting through
The question is how much? I firmly believe there was a drop in some profits, which came down to fans not buying as much of everything sold at the stadium and elsewhere, not including tickets.
I completely agree with you on Gibbs, he hightailed out of there. If you remember it was a suprise when he announced he was leaving again. I also think the Sean Taylor tragedy was the first incident in a series that snowballed for Gibbs and this franchise into a chaotic state. Think back to the day before the ST tragedy happened, it was a completely different mood, but ever since that happened overall, things haven’t really been the same.
I also agree that firing Ceratto would do wonders for the fan base if not just for the simple fact that Ceratto would be gone. This business has failed for him although he most likely doesn’t view it like that, that’s why I believe he’s seen it hit his pocket book some and so now he’s coming out and talking. This just reassures what kind of a weasel he really is, regardless of what happen’s on the field, I will never give him credit for it.
by skinsymets on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our Revolution (Hogs Haven's, that is) can be successful if
we continue along the vein of level-headed and constructive criticism that Sugar first put forward. I think that starts with welcoming these comments from Snyder, but keeping the pressure focused on getting the structure of the front office changed. Vinny needs to go, and Snyder needs to be shown how much goodwill he will earn from the fanbase if he does so.
If we keep responding to everything with nothing but skepticism and cynicism, all of it might fall on deaf ears. There is a lot of momentum building to really force a change, but the personal attacks from fans and the relentless media onslaught might only lead to a bunker mentality.
We need to communicate that a new big name coach is not enough. We need to communicate that a retread GM picked by that big name coach is not enough. We need to communicate that the way decisions are made at the highest levels in Ashburn needs to change clearly.
The only move that will convince me to give Snyder and the Redskins the benefit of the doubt on a long-term basis is if Snyder steps down as Team President. I think a general manager picked by Snyder or his celebrity coach is not enough insulation from what has amounted to a poisonous atmosphere over the last decade. This would be the Bill Parcels model; it would signify a complete change of culture and allow for a complete housecleaning. Mike Holmgren would be perfect for this role, and I don’t think what he said rules him out of taking such a job under the right conditions. Whoever the new team president is would be allowed to pick a new GM, and together (and with no input from on high) they would decide on the coaching staff on down.
The ideal (for me) would be if Holmgren was hired as President, picked Chris Polian as GM, and kept Zorn on as HC so he has the chance to keep his system in place. That would earn the organization another decade of goodwill for me. I think it would also do a world of good for the organization’s image in the national media.
by Boo. on Nov 4, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This may be the best we can do...
but I really do not like this offensive scheme although it plays better with Sherm calling the plays. Don’t know if we could ever be successful in NFC East with this style WCO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its really too early to say
whether it will be successful. You can’t run any offensive system without a competent line and it takes time to perfect every offensive system. I don’t think it plays any better with Sherm calling the plays than it does with Zorn. And Philly runs the WCO, and they did pretty well against a couple NFC East teams.
We have to realize as fans when we are contributing the failed mentality of the franchise. Insisting that Zorn needs to go after 1.5 seasons is not how you build for success. Insisting the front office changes after 10 season of failure, however, is completely justified.
by Boo. on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very well put
Insisting that Zorn needs to go after 1.5 seasons is not how you build for success. Insisting the front office changes after 10 season of failure, however, is completely justified.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 4, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it?
Then I guess insisting Cerrato has to go after 1.5 seasons as GM is not how you build for success either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 4, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, and I actually found myself defending Vinny
in the offseason and saying he should be given a chance. After all, it wasn’t his decision to ignore the O-Line every year, only recently. But the bottom line is that the current leadership is poisonous and the only way to win goodwill is a culture change.
by Boo. on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But make no mistake, Zorn has been part of the problem this season. Maybe he can learn from his mistakes, or maybe he was never cut out for it to begin with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 4, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Zorn
He was what 54 years old when he got his first HC or OC job? That is a big red flag. His play calling was as bad as yuo could get. I didn’t see any posts saying that Sherm did a better job calling plays, mostly everyone said it was the same. The two play action passes on second and goal verse PHI were night and day over Zorn calling four run lefts verse DET inside the ten. Davis and Thomas were wide open for easy tds and JC had all day to throw. We have not seen that in like forever. When your OL is weak, you have to use play action and shotgun (if your center can actually snap), and Zorn was sticking to the pure WCO instead of making these minor adjustments. I’d say Sherm calling plays would have us 1-2 more wins….but like it matters, we need bigger changes.
by liger99 on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cerrato has a much bigger body of failed work than Zorn
MUCH bigger.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 5, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree
This is exactly what needs to happen. I’ll give the team as much time as they need to get back on track if they take this approach. At least we would have organizational structure, and a cohesive group of NFL experts making the decisions for the football team. I could feel really good about such a change. Currently it’s the President of Football Operations who is impeding the progress of this franchise. He needs to sit back and let his experts do what they do best without meddling.
I could care less who is returning punts at the moment, as I don’t think we have a good enough team in place to worry about such things.
by Kurtstack on Nov 4, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Um... Really, guys?
From your daily slop:
“Darth Snyder” shirts now pop-up for sale [darthsnyder.com]
From this article:
We aren’t selling “Fire Snyder” t-shirts
Please. It’s not that I want to censor you from talking about the problems with the organization on a macro-scale, but how about you also do your job of covering the team specifically?
The articles currently on the first page of this blog are this one, your collection of other people’s articles/ Daily Slop (only two articles about on-field happenings), a forum posted by the Falcons’ blogger, yet another mention of Dan Snyder’s remarks, PSSOM (which is broadly hopeful for a season turnaround, and then goes on to talk about the rest of the league), a Chris Samuels tribute, a Sam Bradford rumor, and a Live Game Thread for the ATL v NO game.
Look, I’m not saying you shouldn’t have any of those articles — I particularly liked reading the Samuels article. But what I am saying is that on-field play has been, at best, glossed over in the articles available when I come to this site. I am the only person who has posted anything about the change in punt returner. Hello? This is not only a significant change to any team, but one we have all been clamoring for for years. And the people who work for SB Nation haven’t even mentioned it. Come on, guys. Yes, talk about the organizational problems; they’re important. But of equal or greater importance are the on-field stories, the stories about what the coaches and players are doing in preparation for each game.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but it's not that cut and dry
I don’t spend all day at Redskins Park, so I have to use what is given to me from those that are. When 90% of the stuff from the WaPost, WaTimes, and WaExaminer is anti-snyder, it’s not exactly easy talking about stuff. Interviews with players and coaches seem to be a thing of the past.
Having said that, Ken and I had a talk last night before this post went up and we emphatically agreed we want nothing to do with leading the charge of “Fire SNyder”…loads of people including major journalists have asked us to. That’s not us. We support the team. Throwing a link in the Slop I thought is minimal at best and the most you’ll see from me regarding that. If you look at our shirt store, we don’t have or sell anything Anti-Snyder related from all this.
As for the football stuff, I wrote a piece earlier this morning (going up at 2pm) that goes into detail of the Falcons O-line and how our D can match up. I agree we have lost focus on what Redskins football is. These are not easy times for any of us.
by KevinE on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ps - darth snyder
That was sent to me from a HH reader who we all know, it obviously sent the wrong message, but it was emailed in jest and I posted as such in the Slop.
Ken and I mentioned yesterday we were moving back to football-related articles, to prove as such, I started a 4-part post last week where I emailed the other SB Nation bloggers for the Seahawks, Bucs, Broncos, and Cardinals giving their honest opinion of their coaching styles and talent evaluation for the obvious named available coaches. Some good stuff coming…..we’re all in the same boat the Vinny/Snyder stuff has been beaten to a pulp.
I can’t even count the # of emails I’ve gotten asking to promote this Anti-Skins facebook group or this walkout for X home game.
by KevinE on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
I’m not trying to say that you absolutely shouldn’t talk about the problems with the organization. Feel free; it’s something that deserves coverage, especially with the way that the entire organization, from owner down to practice squad, seems to be breaking up into multiple factions. It just does get annoying when every time I go to this website, it’s more articles about organizational problems and less articles about the team itself. That said, we are just getting over a bye week so I should have taken that into account. And I don’t fault y’all for the t-shirt thing. I could care less about what t-shirts y’all plug, anyway. It just seemed a little inconsistent to have those two phrases in articles right next to each other.
Clearly, the football team isn’t giving you guys much of anything interesting to talk about (injury, lack of depth, lack of talent, injury, lack of depth, lack of talent, injury, lack of depth, lack of talent, etc), and clearly the larger media sources (WaPost, WaTimes, etc) aren’t giving y’all much to run with beyond the organizational stuff. Just maybe try to make sure there’s always at least a couple of articles about the guys playing up on Hogs Haven; I mean, I get it: Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato are really bad at running a football team. lol
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 5, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
for not jumping on the bandwagon of mindless drones leading the charge of "Fire Snyder" and for continuing to support the team.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is FAR from mindless.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 4, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How many team owners do you know that were fired?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you meant the Snyder hate was mindless
Yes, obviously, owners don’t get fired.
But such calls are simply reflecting a sentiment, and I’m sure you’re aware of that.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 5, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Our job" is to write about the Redskins
Not to nit-pick here, but it is not like we are paid a ton of money to be beat reporters. We write about what is moving us about this team. We mix in a little bit of everything. The truth is that at the beginning of the season, when I was posting articles predicting huge wins over the Giants, Bucs, Lions, etc., I was getting killed by commenters for ignoring the big picture of this team. Now I am hammering home that which is supremely important to me and I get to be knocked for ignoring something else. I will say that I get a lot of emails from readers and out of all of them, only ONE has been negative—and it was from a Cowgirls fan.
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO you guys are doing a great job with the right focus
As this season slips away we need to look at the big picture. For too long the fans have taken Snyder’s stupidity in silence.
Things need to change, otherwise we’re just going to suffer this over and over again.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 4, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with smutsboy1
I think this needs to stay in the spot light. Obviously news about the team is awesome too but we need to be realistic. If we don’t keep talking about the management problems then we’re essentially giving them a pass again. The team is titled to Dan Snyder but as fans it’s our team too.
I think Hogs Haven has done a really good job keeping the balance between the support for the team while continuing to acknowledge that something is very wrong with this franchise particularly the front office. I e-mailed the same thing to Dan Steinberg. The fan base has finally run out of patience and you guys wouldn’t be doing your jobs if you didn’t talk about it.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I've emailed Steinberg encouragement repeatedly
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 4, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Their doing a great job
Don’t give up on us. Post what you want to post. For 10 years we’ve all been talking about on the field issues. Talking about Dan and Vinny in a negative light isn’t negativity, it’s reality. If some kind of change comes out of it, this site deserves as much credit as most. The ultimate goal is to talk about on the field issues when it will be much less depressing. It seems the average reader here is much more into the guts of the structure of the franchise. It didn’t get this way because the team is doing well. It happened because the future looks as bleak as the last ten years have. Hindsight is 20/20 and that’s a good thing.
Keep moving forward with all the great articles and let’s see if we can be a small part of getting this thing turned around.
by skinsymets on Nov 4, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
High marks
all around, skinsymets. I really don’t like to wallow in the negativity, but it seems part of the price to enact change. In that regard, we need to focus on the next 10 yrs if this is going to get turned around, and that means dealing with the organizational issues up front, straightaway, and relentlessly.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SnyderSpeak decoded
"We feel frustration and are disappointed for our fans," = The fans are really pissing me off.
"Obviously our performance to date is not what we expected, and we hope to turn that around." = The players are really pissing me off.
"I feel bad for the fans. I feel sorry for the fans, and we’re very, very appreciative of our loyal fan base," = How can I screw the fans for more money in the future?
"We just feel terrible. We’re disappointed. We’re embarrassed, and we hope to get it going soon." = I’ll show them. I’ll call in all the plays from the owner’s suite.
"It really hurts," Snyder said. "We are really trying very, very hard, everyone at Redskins Park, the coaches, the players. The organization’s quite frankly held together well, and I think we’ve got an opportunity the rest of the season to hopefully get it going. But to date we’ve let everyone down, including ourselves, and we know that and we’re just apologetic. We’ve blown some games that obviously we think we should have won." = I’m firing everyone tomorrow………except Vinny, Sherm and Clinton of course.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 4, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i absolutely agree, let's radicalize our vocal displeasure at Cerrato
getting him fired first is step one. The blatantly obvious question is: Do we really want to fuc*ing endure another draft with his interpersonally bizarre and professionally idiotic ass shitting the bed with crappy decisions next Spring? I don’t think any of us can stand it, we’ve got to focus our energies on getting him removed.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The current regime, as Vinny Cerrato so eloquently stated, believes that they gave this coaching staff a “playoff-caliber” roster. If they honestly believe that, we really are screwed.
Didn’t most of our HogsHaven predictions have us in the playoffs too?
by SSBlitz on Nov 4, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
we're fans
delusions of grandeur are par the course for us. why else would we invest so much time, money, and tears in something that we have no control over.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 4, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course...
but they asked Vinny that question LAST WEEK. AFTER we went 2-5. Our unbridled optimism was prior to the season. Couldn’t he have at least said anything less definitive than “Yes”?
I mean, the only wrong answer to that question—when asked after going 2-5—is “Yes”, right?
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With our cupcake schedule
I fully expected 5-2 going into the bye week. No one thought things would unravel this quickly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 4, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
At least we are smart enough to know that things have changed. Such as, “Our record has gone down from 0-0 to 2-5”, and “The hope we had for the offensive line to play well when there was no obvious signs they would, has turned into a reality of we knew was not only possible but probable.”
by monk81 on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
YOU REALLY WANT TO SEE A CHANGE?
THEN QUIT GOING TO THE GAMES! HIT DANNY BOY WHERE IT MATTERS – HIS WALLET
by mbarr22 on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
No Understanding of Football
The moment I knew we were in trouble was when we signed Mark Brunell, who lost his starting job at Jacksonville, to be our starting QB and overpaid him. That told me that we now had non-football people in charge. Since then, it has been one over-priced free agent after another. Why do you think every player in the NFL would love to come play for him? Because it is a country club atmosphere. Cash your huge paycheck and hang out on the sidelines with Tom Cruise and be buddies with the owner. The one coach who made it hard on the players was Shottenheimer and he didn’t last. Clearly there are no football people in charge of our football team, and last time I checked that is what it takes to win in this league. But, do we really believe something will change? I am skeptical because the issue here is Dan Snyder’s personality more than anything. He has filled this organization with his friends, regardless of whether or not they know anything about football. Do I believe he wants to win? Yes. Is he trying to make money? Yes. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t think he is intentionally trying to run this franchise into the ground and “screw the fans” as some people think. He is too smart for that. The question is can he get out of his own way, forget all his loyalties, put his ego aside, and bring football people in with good track records to rebuild this team from the ground up? I truly hope so but am skeptical – it is part of his personality and some things about yourself you simply can’t change even if you want to.
by HBskinsfan on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brunell...
Only problem is Gibbs picked Brunell, not Snyderatto. Gibbs always wants a veteran QB and he was the only one available.
by KevinE on Nov 4, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny to even put Brunell
as the biggest symptom of poor free agent signings in the first place. Also, I kinda liked Brunell.
by Boo. on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we had Brunell right now--in the same condition he was in when he got here for Gibbs...
What record do you think we would have?
(I am not certain we would be better, I’m just wondering)
by Ken Meringolo on Nov 4, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh...I'd say
he would be dead.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You pick Brunell of all people?
Now this might be because I actually kind of liked Brunell, but I think he is a pretty bad example of poor free agency decisions even if he was overpaid. I always saw him as kind of a competent place holder for whatever young guy we drafted (which turned out to be JC) to be the QB we developed. I mean, when I think FA bust I think Brandon Lloyd or Adam Archuleta. Now if you want to talk about really early prototypical Snyder FA decisions I think Deion Sanders is where you go.
But Brunell? I mean hell he took us farther in the playoffs than we had been since 1999-2000 and farther than we have been since. Not to mention that 2005 Monday night end of 4th quarter upset in Dallas. This franchise has so many worse free agency moves than him that I’m surprised Brunell would even come up in a conversation on the subject.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Revolution - Redskins Fans Are Getting Through To Snyder
Get rid of Ceratto and start from there to get back on track!!!
by Larry Creasy on Nov 4, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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