Dallas & Philly: Best Possible Outcomes?
by Scott E on Nov 30, 2009 10:56 AM EST
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PrintGiven our new found objective of drafting a QB out of college (and retaining the FFO), apparently the strategy is to play well so we can evaluate our younger talent, but not win!! This makes sense if Snyderatto are going after a high No.1, high profile draft bust yet still expect to see overall team improvement while resting our overpaid free agents
Is there any other explanation for our 1st Qtr WTF plus our two game-defining offensive turnovers to end the second half? OK - they do have a stealth receiver in Desean "The Invisible Man" Jackson and we were comfortably ahead with a few minutes to go in the half which kinda blows the strategy, but... Of course, the completion of the game strategy is to simply play well the rest of the game (for the most part) and allow the team you have dominated all day to waltz down the field for the game winning score.
Now that I understand the overall organizational strategy, I feel pretty good about this. I saw improvements everywhere with our young players making outstanding plays, hard hits on defense and a lot of pressure on McNabb with a 4-man rush. We also saw an amazing number of 3rd and long conversions. All of this is pretty amazing and very satisfactory after the garbage I've watched the first 7 games or so. All this improvement and entertainment - without the inconvenience of securing the W and moving down the draft ladder.
And sorry, LETJASON PASS, I think we saw Jason pretty much at his best with some good play calling, nice runs and passes (to M. Kelly was as pretty as I've seen him throw) and yet he continues to miss wide open receivers and commit the game-defining offensive turnover(s). Letting Asante Samuel jump him twice on forced passes along with missing Moss wide open down the sidelines pretty much cemented it for me Yes, QBs are allowed to make mistakes, but....
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First one was all JC's fault
second one was a jumped route by Samuel that would have killed the Eagles if he wouldn’t have gotten it. That was just luck/skill on his part, not really a bonheaded move on the qb.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
It's not a strategy
They’re just losing. Good teams find a way to win while bad teams find a way to lose. Right now we’re just a bad team. Even if Snyder + VC wanted to do that as a strategy neither the coaches nor the players would go along with it.
Perhaps
I didn’t include a Sarcasm Alert with the posting?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
sarcasm schmarcasm
there’s no doubt that Snyder is tanking games. You all must not have seen that part of the “playcalling tree” graphic that showed Snyder himself relaying plays to Sherman Lewis to run by Chris Meidt then relay to Sherm Smith then pass a note to the section 313 usher then send it via paper airlplane to Pepper Johnson then travel by carrier pigeon (brought to you by FedEx) to past Jim Zorn to Jason Campbell. Yep, he has been calling in the interception 7 yard pass on 3rd and 9 plays in the fourth quarter. He is also mic’d into the ear of the O-lineman, who he randomly tells to either jump early or kindly escort the defender to Campbell’s face.
C’mon, you guys haven’t figured this out yet?
Nice - LOL
Likee the play calling tree – you left out the smoke signals relay to the Masonic Temple which translates the signals into Templar symbology, which are then forwarded by vibrating moon crystals to the guy who paints the lines on the field who then by-passes Zorn. If I got it right….?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
What is the saying about the animal.....................
that does not change its stripes ? I see you fit that perfectly, still a Campbell hater. One interception happened because Santa Moss is afraid to get hit. Maybe you did not notice but Santana Moss fell straight back and to the ground as Ashante stepped in front of him for the interception. That same pass to Cooley would have been a reception because he would have just took the hit in the back versus ducking and falling back allowing the DB to step in front of him.
Go back and look at the replay then get back with me. I will wait for your apology .. LOL
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
OK - I apologize
But check out this article courtesy of Dr WinDC below:
Campbell’s performance less than the sum of his stats – he’s provided the link below.
I think this explains why we get so hot and cold on Jason and for some, eventually, fed up.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Letting Asante Samuel jump him twice on forced passes along with missing Moss wide open down the sidelines pretty much cemented it for me
I watched most of the games yesterday and saw every QB over throw their WRs and miss a wide open teammate in blown coverage. The only QBs who will consistently hit that deep ball are playing tonight (and Peyton, obviously). Campbell is playing better than most of the starting QBs in the league right now.
Interesting...
perhaps I am just jaded and frustrated. But good teams tend to overcome these mistakes when it comes to crunch time. We seem to get killed by the least setback – although 3rd down conversions last two games have been up.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Question...
after pretty much containing McNabb all day (minus the WTF) how does he say after the game they new they could come back and win? Is it inner confidence or knowing your opponent is going to cave or have a really poor defensive scheme? Boggles my mind…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Thank you for my
Hogs Havens laugh for the day. Certainly getting harder to find amongst the WTFs and Jesu Christos! Not to mention that sinking feeling as your opponent methodically moves down field in great holy chunks of yardage while the clock just stands still. Don’t know if I’m channeling Salvador Dali or if its the brown acid all over again?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
This is the same guy
who last year did not know a game could end in a tie…
He has no clue what he is saying, other than the eagles have confidence they can win.
The old saying of Winning breeds Winning, Mutiple NFC Championship games over the last decade tend to make that happen, or say 3 superbowls unless the team is bought by Fantasy Football owner Daniel Snyder 8 losing seasons out of 11 great track record DAN!
that's just McNabb
he has the same mentality as that goofy Dallas fan (sduncan?) that I’ve been arguing with on another post. They think their team is SUPPOSED to be better than us, and that it’s a fluke whenever we beat them, or even play them close. Remember last year, after we beat them in the first game, McNabb said they were still the better team?
You endure what you tolerate
poor positioning, poor tackling, stupid penalties, and why was ARE back there fair catching when no one was withing 15 yds of him? All of these are the result of tentative play calling which provokes the inner failure within many athletes. Psychologically, “my coach doesn’t think I can make 7 yds in 3 downs without fumbling or throwing an INT,” therefore “maybe I can’t?” All add up to a poor level of performance and hesitation in a sport where hesitation kills.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 30, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Coaching Scared or the inability to coach
CSN: Zorn plays it safe, not smart
Then Campbell’s play, good numbers but…
Campbell’s performance less than the sum of his stats
Although IMO—> Redskins need to forget the big name in the 2010 daft and work towards lineman and linebackers…Keep Campbell another year
in reality
they need to
work towards lineman and linebackers…
and corners, and runningbacks, and a punt returner, etc, etc.
some people have thick heads ...
C.J. it is a waste of time trying to convince a Campbell hater that we need lineman, linebackers a corner or two more than a QB. But I would say a running back before a corner. I say lets go after Chester Taylor.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 30, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
CT showed me something last night
but I question getting someone whose got more than a few years on his legs. Actually, Ladell and Cartwright would be adequate for a year if Ladell’s injury doesn’t put him on the shelf.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Chester Taylor ...
has not been rode hard and put away wet. He has fresh legs. He plays very little. He is a good combination back that can do it all. He would be a starter on just about any other team than Minnesota.
Yes! I agree.
Any idea on whether he can block?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Yeah, Free agent spending works
Falling for Dan the Man Trap.
Draft lineman
Draft linebackers
Draft running backs
Draft corners
Trade for more draft picks.
Do NOT draft a QB, Do not sign top name Free agents.
and why
Would JC want to stay with the team? If you got treated this way would you stay in your job when other teams made offers? I expect to see offers from a half dozen teams in the off season and just about another other team has a better OL at this point as only GB and KC have given up more sacks than we have.
I’m all for keeping JC but I don’t get why people assume he’ll want to stay.
He was on the....
Lavar Arrington show earlier tonight and made a reference to having Fred Davis and Cooley on the field at the same time! One could see that, considering Cooley was put on IR earlier in the day, as a reference to thinking or knowing he will be back. That could also just be good politics on his part!
Sacks you are off a little
GB yeah but Detroit and Redskins are tied for second, KC not in Top 10
Team Sacks QB Hits
1 Green Bay Packers 44 74
2 Detroit Lions 33 71
3 Washington Redskins 33 59
4 San Francisco 49ers 31 64
5 Philadelphia Eagles 27 44
6 Seattle Seahawks 26 55
7 Carolina Panthers 25 48
8 Dallas Cowboys 25 51
9 St. Louis Rams 25 60
10 Chicago Bears 24 58
If he goes
I’m sure it will be to a team that got Ferrotterized….
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
gotta say I agree, and it pains me to admit it
And sorry, LETJASON PASS, I think we saw Jason pretty much at his best with some good play calling, nice runs and passes (to M. Kelly was as pretty as I’ve seen him throw) and yet he continues to miss wide open receivers and commit the game-defining offensive turnover(s). Letting Asante Samuel jump him twice on forced passes along with missing Moss wide open down the sidelines pretty much cemented it for me Yes, QBs are allowed to make mistakes, but….
But for different reasons that you, its not the wide open recievers that gets me (well i dont see half the games so how could it be) but it is just the fact that two weeks in a row now I have watched a game where with time running down JC17 had the ball with a couple of minutes to go for the win, and on both occasions there was not one moment where I really beleived he would take us the length of the field and win,
Then to make matters worse, I watched Vince Young do it twice in two weeks (l actually got to see them games) and both times it wasnt just the fact he did it that impressed me, it was the fact that somehow you just knew he would, its the same with Manning or Brady and I’m really really sorry LETJASONPASS i supported your view for a long time, but I have flipped.
I still want them to draft O-Line and be sensible and keep Jason, but I will not be shattered if they draft a McCoy or a BRadford or even a Clausen, and even if we do go O-Line I want them to be looking for the QB of the future in later rounds or next year
Pommylee
Maybe you missed TOM BRADY and his pizz poor ......
performance while under a little pressure. Just think if Tom Brady had to deal with the hard hits that Campbell has to deal with game in and game out. How many Touch Downs did Tom Brady throw last night ? ZERO !!! How many interceptions did he throw ?? TWO !!! Just imagine if he played behind this OFFENSIVE LINE how many interceptions he would have. Tom Brady would be on Injured Reserve right now because he could not take the hits that JC 17 does !!!!
Campbell is a starter in this league
Poll
Now that we understand the overall organizational strategy by the FFO, do you think they will keep Jason as a back-up?
0% chance. Jason is free to go, and it’s clear this FO doesn’t like him or respect him. They defend his valor, but that doesn’t matter. I can’t see Jason wanting to play here. He put in several years as a backup to Brunell, he’s not going to want to sit again when there are so many teams that want a WR.
I just threw that in there
to mess with LETJASONPASS. But very cordially, mind you….:)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Hey Scott what is the saying about" He Who Laughs Last" ????
“He who laughs last laughs best” !!! I will defintely remind you when JC 17 is playing great next year behind a good Offensive Line with receivers not afraid to go get the ball. To bad it will probably be for another team.
Actually,
I have a real concern that Jason will do just that – go to a team that is less dysfunctional than ours is with a decent line and a 5-7 step drop back offense and manage the O to help get them a respectable record, even the playoffs if the D is any good.
I think it is the right move for us to keep him until someone demonstrably better comes along, even though we all know Jason isn’t Queen for the Day in Snyder’s eyes.
But I don’t think Jason is the QB for this team with this O and Coach. When he marches us down field for the winning score a few times, I will accept the missed opportunities down field, the slightly ahead or behind passes (with maybe too much zip at times), the occasional INT and/or fumble.
The thing is, it is obvious our FFO/Coaching strategy was to have Jason manage the game and keep it close so we can win it in the end (why else would they have drafted Orakpo instead of Oher? but to ensure that our D allows minimal points giving our O enough opportunities to win (think Ravens Super Bowl year). The games have been close, but for bad play calling, poor clock management, and what – lack of a will to get it done on O? – it hasn’t happened and at some time the QB becomes largely responsible. I look at Jason’s eyes and demeanor on the field. Yes he has been a warrior in handling the hits in the backfield, but I see a guy that just really doesn’t want to be out there.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree a bit about the receivers...
I have watched all of the highlights on the NFL site. It seems about half of his interceptions were due to our receivers getting outplayed.
There were two to Kelly where the defender ripped the ball out of his hands. It looked like he expected the defenders would just let him jump up and catch the ball. Remember the BIG HYPE articles during the offseason about Malcom Kelly “scaring defensive backs”. WHAT A JOKE!
Plus a few tipped passes at the line of scrimmage.
I’ve played on some bad teams. When the people around you suck, you suck too.
But either way. I have no doubt Campbell won’t be here next year. The FO slapped him in the face last offseason. He will go somewhere else and make another team happy.
I don’t know if I can deal with another 10 years of Cerrato’s circus.
by DCtoAustralia on Dec 1, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure
Why that came out in all bold characters…
???
by DCtoAustralia on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
DCtoAustralia PLEASE READ
This sunday 8am to 11:30am Channel One is showing the Florida-Alabama SEC title game.
I was wondering if you wanted to hook up somewhere to watch the game, I have a fairly decent tele at my house, not huge (38" I think) but great picture, very good in HD, or we could go to Star City if they are showing it maybe
Anyway if you have something else on I wont be offended, but if you are up for it I’d love to watch a football game with someone who can actually teach me about the game rather that me boring my friends with comments about a game they hate and want me to just change the channel
Pommylee
Can't make it this weekend...
But I wouldn’t mind meeting up for the next Skins game that gets aired.
by DCtoAustralia on Dec 2, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
sounds good mate
one of them Christmas weekends with the Sunday and Monday nighters that we play, keep an eye on HH and I will try to arrange something then
Pommylee
attitude, attitude, attitude .....
that all starts with the head coach Jim Zorn. The receivers play soft and wait for the ball to come to them instead of going toward the ball.
KEVIN E read my post to SCOTT E. ......
just substitute at the beginning the Hey Scott for HEY KEVIN ……….. LOL
In addition, LJP
I’m impressed that you’ve expanded your repertoire to include ALL BOLD with your ALL CAPS :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott I am like DC to Aust ..
I am not sure why it came out in all bold letters but I kinda like it ?? !!! LOL
Scott did you read the new W. Post Cooley article ???
It says alot about why our two-minute offense has gone backwards while our offense overall looks better !!!
Haven't seen it yet, but will definitely get to it.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Scott I am still trying to figure out ........
whch quarter back coming out in the draft this year will put Jason Campbell on the bench playing behind this line ??/ That is hillarious !!!! LOL …. The pass coverage are alot tighter and the defenses are alot faster than in college. You will not be able to have so many lopsoded contests between receivers and DB’s like you do in college were the receiver is so much better than the DB.
And yet
many college QBs play in a system that is not a 5-7 step drop back rhythm. College ball is much more quick release oriented IMO. Therefore you get a guy who is used to making quick reads and playing up tempo. Not saying I want this; just appears more realistic then JC being here next year even to compete. COL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Dont even bother Scott E
LJP is incapable of looking at whats written in its entirety and seeing any view that has anything other than a straight Black and White point of it.
Any position you take that has subtlety or if you articulate a position that is complex and requires an ability to accept both sides of an issue and then attempt to derive a middle ground view, where you dont just blindly support one side, but attempt to subtley weigh the issues and reach a consensus then you are wasting your time.
I have tred to argue exactly what you seem to be saying, the keeping JC is the best idea, but if we are going to go QB because of Snyders meddling ways, then at least this is the year to do it with such a strong QB draft class and the fact it is universally accepted that this is quite a weak draft class for O-line players,.
However as soon as you write anything that trys to accept a complex reality rather than just blindly writing “Keep Campbell” or even ’Sack Campbell" he cant be bothered to read the whole thing and get his head around the many different issues that you have weighed up in your deliberations.
I love the guys passion, I just wish he could turn it off for 2 minutes and have a reasoned discussion that doesnt boil down to. “JC good, O-LIne bad”
Pommylee
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Tell the Dan. Get yours at www.savetheskins.com
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