Fred Davis, I like the sound of this
by Pommylee on Nov 3, 2009 11:32 PM EST
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Got this off the Washington Post today
Though Davis, a second-round pick in the 2008 draft, had 78 yards and a touchdown after Cooley went down against Philadelphia, Davis knew he'd need to improve his pass-blocking. So he cancelled plans to fly home and instead called tight ends coach Scott Wachenheim, asking him if he'd remain in Ashburn during the bye week. The two met for 2 1/2 hours Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, putting in extra work to prepare Davis.
Really good signs dont you think, that after his best game as a Skin he didnt get a big head but instead looked hard at his weaknesses and tried to improve them, all off his own initiative too, I really like what I just read, I think Fred Davis could start converting some us to beleivers if this is not just empty rhetoric and he follows through with this attitude..
Good work Fred, I hope you have a blinder on Sunday
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Well now its
Time for Fred Sleepy Davis to step up & show us skins fans why he got drafted in 2nd round. So while CC is out, i expect to see Davis make a lot of plays in the next few games, replace Yoder as the #2 TE & be a good back up to CC in the future.
by mo19678 on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just remember......
these are the same reports we were getting in the offeseason and preseason about Davis. I think he has a ton of potential but you simply can’t learn how to block in 2 weeks. I am hoping he “gets it” and picks up where he left off last game! He has all the tools to be a great TE like a Winslow or Davis. Speed and hands go a long way….let’s hope he is a quick study on keeping bodies off our QB!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 7:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
totally agree
Although it is a fantastic sign, and I applaud it, these young guys have done nothing to turn the corner.
Hopefully he can kick this bad habit:
http://blog.redskins.com/2009/10/28/wednesday-october-28-someone-else-doesnt-know-why-fred-davis/
by KevinE on Nov 4, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That is the worst thing you can do when someone is coming at you….even if you are jumping in control…..you are out of control. The only place you should be jumping on a football field is to catch a ball, block a kick, or dunk on the goal posts after a TD!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget
blocking passes at the line of scrimmage and jumping on opposing QBs! Good points all around, though.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what about jumping over the pile at the goal line?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 4, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
the redzone is for HB passes and left sweeps, remember?
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I forgot.
This is what happens when you go a week without watching the ’Skins play.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 4, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy to forget
when you spend a weekend watching all of those other teams with their crazy, misguided redzone offenses
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Punter
is allowed to jump over the goal line. But that’s it!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that one reason we drafted him
was because he had great blocking skills in college in addition to being an offensive weapon. Don’t know if it was actually true though. The transition to pro blocking has to be a lot tougher, so I’m not going to write him off yet, but I hope we see something big from him this next month or so.
by Boo. on Nov 4, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
who is concerned that a second-year tight end doesn’t live in the DC area? I could understand someone like London Fletcher having his family living in Buffalo or St. Louis. But he’s a veteran, and he came here after years in the League. Fred Davis shouldn’t be established enough anywhere to not have moved to DC by now. At the very least, he should have an offseason home here. If you’re a plane ride away from your team, that kind of makes it difficult for them to simply call you over for extra work doesn’t it? And it gives you very little incentive to just pick up and work out with one of your coaches when you think you could use the extra work.
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JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would think.....
he has a home here. I think they are referring to flying home to see his family…..as in mom and dad or something! You have to remember, most of these guys have been doing football nonstop since July with no chance to go “home” and see family! I have no problem with it either way, he is obviously accessible and knows how to keep himself around. I have heard nothing but how hard he has worked the whole offseason and during the season. He was here last week working when everyone else was chilling…..that’s all I need to know!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If this is only one example
of our younger players making noise and stepping up, its a move in the right direction.
Hate to say it, but if Freddy takes it to the next level in CC’s absence, it makes Chris one of our most desirable trade options for more draft picks or a young but experienced O-lineman.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Boo.
Your point is perfectly valid, but I’d like to see us use 2 TE sets and run smash-mouth power football. The way the game was meant to be before all of this west-coast offense nonsense!
Just imagine, an oline revamped with studs from the draft, cooley and sleepy tight, Sellers and Lorenzo Alexander in the backfield (he does play FB too in short-yardage…but substitute Williams here if you wish) with Portis…. There would be no WRs on the field, but we could still pass… That’s my kind of football.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see
Cooley and Davis forming the basis of a smash mouth football set, unless you mean their size vs the normal WR. I say this because neither has a blocker mentality. Like the idea of them being the only receivers, though. That would pose some problems for smaller DBs.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it makes..
Fred a desirable trade option! What’s Davis’ contract look like…..Cooley would be a good size cap hit! I like what the future holds for Fred but Cooley is a mainstay for me! I couldn’t bear to see 47 in another color jersey!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you take a cap hit when you trade
only if you cut the player. The bigger concern is whether other teams would be willing to take over the contract of the player to be traded.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can't think of too many teams that wouldn't take Cooley's contract
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be wrong, but....
I think you take a cap hit depending on what bonuses there are and how/when they pay out! Anybody know the rule on trades????
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I looked up the salary cap rules online, and it says that when a player is traded that the signing bonuses (which are split between every year of the contract) accelerate and count against the cap when the player is traded. I couldn’t find out how much Cooley’s signing bonuses are, though. Under his current contract he is signed through 2013, so we’d still be responsible for 2/3rds of his signing bonus.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't find the bonus either but....
He signed a 6-yr 30mil contract with 14m guaranteed in 2007. Fred Davis signed last year….4-yr 3.85m. If we chose to trade one…..we should hope for Davis to have a beast year bc he will cost less to get rid of. Don’t see us getting much higher than his original draft pick for him though! His contract is managebale though and Cooley isn’t vastly overpaid. I like the idea of having them both here. Cooley isn’t old either….has plenty of tread left.
by shvd98z24 on Nov 4, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Lots of teams have two tight ends who both get significant time. We should follow suit.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It definitely sews up
one important position for several years barring injury to both. As much change was we are about to go through (hope to go through) stability and not having to worry about every position is a good thing.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as we; not was we - sorry
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Normally
when a team has two tight ends that get a split of time, it’s because one is a pass catching specialist and one is a blocking specialist.
by grandpa grouse on Nov 6, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course..
I’m not in favor of seeing Chris go. He kinda has most of what’s left of the team’s cache during these dismal times. But, desperate times require desperate solutions, SOMETIMES. Just pointing out the option and don’t be surprised if a new regime is not as loyal to the players as they are to getting the job done.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all love Cooley
but it would be pretty cool for the redskins to turn a former 3rd round pick into a 1st and a 2nd or 3rd…. that kinda stuff doesn’t happen much ’round these parts.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting....
If we took all of our starters and assigned a number value to them based on what they were originally drafted as/or what we paid in trade, would we be at a plus in terms of the teams’ overall value or a minus based on their trade value today? To simplify:
22 Starters all 1st Rnd picks @ 8 pts for 1st rounders = 176 points; the optimum.
22 Starters all undrafted (Heyers) FAs @ 1 pts each = 22 points; the minimum.
Any primitive math types out there want to expand on this skeleton of a model? I guess I would call it a Franchise Trade Potential model as an evaluation of the talent on the team.
As a suggestion, I would adjust the values based on the amount of experience so that rookies would gain in value say their 2nd thru 4th year and then it would stay the same for yrs 5/6 and then start to decline.
How would all the teams in the league fare under the same model, and where would the ‘Skins be? If we have a surplus of talent, then we are completely under performing. If not, then the this season’s results were predictable.
Just something to consider. Please add any points I glossed over as to the usefulness/practicality of the model.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have fun with this by
Factoring salaries, so you divide the score by the team total salary. Or wins per score, etc. At least it beats whining about the FO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 4, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You also need to factor in production,
For Example
We pick a guy in the second round, get 4 really good years out of him and then get a 3nd Rd pick for him I would say that is a net positive for the ’Skins as although the pick is slightly lower we got 4 years of above average production for a 2nd Roung pick anyway….
However if we get a guy in the 2nd round, he does nothing for 4 years yet some desperate team then gives us a second round pick for him (probably because it is a need position for that team so they reach), this is now a net negative as if we had chosen better to begin with we would not have wasted 4 years with below average production for the pick and even though we get the same now, we still would have wasted 4 years.
I hope that makes sense, I’m an analyst so I am not that good at explaining myself unless I have a bar graph or pie chart to help make my point :)
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 4, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like where ya'll are going with this.
For example, consider Cooley. He was a 3rd round pick in 2004. We’ve received 4 or 5 years of stellar production out of him, and he would definitely trade right now for picks higher than our original investment. By all accounts, he would be a huge positive. Unfortunately, he is the only player that I can think of that would be a big positive right now. Chris Horton would probably come out in the good, simply by virtue of the fact that he was a 7th round pick.
by CarverM on Nov 4, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there are
all kinds of interesting angles and ways we could go with this. I tried to address, albeit marginally, the idea of production by assigning more points for the value we got out of a player over his career. Likewise, you hire a 2nd round receiver who sits on the bench – not that we would ever do that – and the total value is less (although as a deal it could be considered a steal).
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 5, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its good but
Its also sad that out of 53 people on this team we are only talking about 1 guy that stayed back to advance himself.
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by milcmann on Nov 4, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I knew
we couldn’t ride this feel-good train too long.
by CarverM on Nov 5, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks a lot milcmann
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 5, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whether he improves his blocking or not
The fact that he stayed in town to work on it is the attitude that this entire team needs to bring to the table. I wish there were more stories about players other than Davis staying after practice and on bye weeks to work on things. For example, Carlos Rogers should stay after practice and on bye weeks just working on catching footballs. Heyer and Mike Williams should stay to work on their quickness and technique. Randle El should stay in town to work on catching punts and running north/south rather than east/west. I hope Fred Davis’ work ethic and dedication starts to rub off on the rest of the team. These small steps in practice can make a big difference on gameday.
by Kurtstack on Nov 5, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It speaks to the level of poisoning perhaps
in our locker room atmosphere that everyone (apparently) decided to go out somewhere for fresh air. Hope not.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 5, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this was pretty much my point
I know he cant learn how to block in 3 2 hour sessions, but it shows an attitude that is exactly what is needed
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 5, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BTW
I guess Malcom Kelly and Devin Thomas didn’t feel they needed to work on anything eh?
by Kurtstack on Nov 5, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
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