Interesting Debate: Is it the O-Line or Campbell?
Brian Murphy posted an entry where he debated who is to blame for the offensive struggles: The OLine or Campbell?
One one side there is this mentality:
"Frankly, as often as Campbell may take a quick hit, he takes a late hit for not getting the ball out on time!"
Then there's the other side, led by Sonny Jurgensen:
"The Redskins could have Peyton Manning back there and it wouldn't matter behind THAT offensive line!"
But perhaps the most ALARMING news, which is evident Mr. Snyder is still running the show:
We bring this debate up because we also learned some interesting news this past weekend. It seems owner Daniel Snyder has been a busy man these days. Two weeks ago, he was apparently on the sidelines of a Notre Dame practice, watching Fighting Irish quarterback Jimmy Clausen in action. This past weekend, while in Texas for the Cowboys game, Snyder attended the University of Texas' thrashing of Kansas 51-20. Word is he was there to evaluate Heisman hopeful Colt McCoy.
So it's pretty clear Jason's time with the Redskins is over. It's only fitting that as he spent his whole off-season dealing with getting replaced, he now has to deal with it during the regular season (as he is on pace to put up back-to-back 3000 yard seasons).
Discussing Campbell at this point for me is like discussing politics: after 3 hours of bickering you end the conversation in the same place you started it. Campbell clearly misses open WRs and fails to make plays he should, which understandably stems from not trusting the patch work Oline. Regardless, a QB is measured by wins and JC is not getting the job done. The frustrating thing is that a drafted QB won't either. How is a rookie who had all day to pass in college going to adjust to the pros with these journerymen?
Charley Casserly made an interesting point when he was GM of the Texans. He knew they would never win anything with Peyton Manning in his division and no pass rusher to hurry him. Enter Mario Williams (over the easy pick Reggie Bush). Same goes for the Redskins. The Burgundy & Gold's 3 NFC East foes are all arguably top 5 defensive lines. The Redskins need to address this.
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My heart just sunk!
Not only because we may be drafting a QB in the first round, but because Snyder is evaluating talent. That tells me that nothing is going to change next year.
by monk81 on Nov 25, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
ditto
and I think JC could be a good, but not great, QB if we had a decent OL. As it is now, both play poorly and make the other look even worse.
by aFan4Life on Nov 25, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As an outside observer
Wouldn’t it be interesting if Snyder hired Wiess as an offensive coordinator next year and then drafted Clausen.
As a head coach in college Wiess was average at best but as an o.c. he can be great and if he has a QB he is familiar with this could change alot of course he would still have to get some offensive linemen
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 26, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Urban Meyer as the head coach...
ugh
by KevinE on Nov 27, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well guys
so much for “there’s always next year,” if this actually comes to fruition.
I’ll hold out hope that on draft day Danny’s tied up in a closet somewhere with a gag in his mouth, but I won’t hold my breath.
Time to get ready for Patrick Ramsey pt. 3 :(
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who knows
what the cap postion is so maybe Danny is going to buy a complete OL in FA and then draft his Franchise QB to play behind it with his experienced but young WR’s and TE’s to go with the fine defence you have.
Maybe if all that happens the rookie QB leads you to the playoffs.
by G Fan in England on Nov 25, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
puff-----------------puff-pass
by williamhudsonlink on Nov 25, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pfttt... (Hack!) (Khack!)(Hack!)
Whoa… good chit, may-un…
by ankleeskimo on Nov 28, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The free agency model has failed miserably the last 10 years...
It’s hard to believe it would magically work now. We’re also assuming that whatever QB they draft will be a stud. There is a high % of QB draft busts….
This front office almost sold the farm for Sanchez and Cutler who lead the league in INTs.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one can say
that Dan has not spent the money on new players.
It does has to be said that the money has not been spent wisely in alot of cases.
However, if it is an uncapped year you get a sense that Dan will spend and spend big in trying to bring the good times back.
by G Fan in England on Nov 25, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall
any good times in the past 10 years. At this stage in the game, I don’t trust this team’s evaluation of talent enough for there to be an uncapped year. God only knows who they will find in the woodwork instead of trying to get raw talent that they can mold to the team’s needs in the draft.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good times
equals pre Danny days.
The thing is if the Redskins can pick the right players in FA then Danny will spend the money to get them.
So the fear in the league is that someday you will get it right as very few teams can compete with you when it comes to spending money.
by G Fan in England on Nov 25, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
gotcha
only thing is pre Danny days were filled with talent gotten in the draft and FA. He still hasn’t figured that part out yet.
A blind squirrel can find a nut, but I don’t wanna have to pay 10 bucks for a beer to finance the search.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But would you pay
ten bucks a beer if you win say 2 Superbowls in the next five years.
Dan knows the fan will pay to see a winning product!
by G Fan in England on Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
But what is there in Danny-boy’s history to suggest that if he pays a ton of money that we will win? Thats the problem. If he goes and buys a bunch of players, then the whole Redskins fan base will just throw their hands in the air.
by monk81 on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
he’s been using that formula for years and it’s gotten us SQUAT. just the title of “Offseason Super Bowl Champs” and a one way ticket to salary cap hell.
BTW, whoever figure out our salary cap year after year deserves a nobel or something. I personally used to be like that, feeling good after seeing him go get a seemingly good free agent for a ton of money, thinking to myself “This is our year!” But I think, finally, a lot of the fan base has had enough of it.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the real issue is not our FA signings, but the trading of picks for players that didn’t work out. I consider the trades for Jason Taylor (2nd and a 6th round pick), Lloyd (3rd and 4th), Portis (Champ plus a 2nd), and Duckett (3rd round pick). Am I missing any others? The Portis trade is not entirely bad, but the others really have the longer term impacts that we are seeing now…like not having young OL talent.
by liger99 on Nov 25, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd still pains me
and our salary cap to this day
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5.3M cap hit still
I think that is the last of the cap hits for him ($0 in 2010). But we are still feeling the long term impacts of the missing 3rd and 4th round picks that we gave up for him.
by liger99 on Nov 25, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SPOT ON!!!!
I think the real issue is not our FA signings, but the trading of picks for players that didn’t work out.
The cap is always workaroundable in the NFL, otherwise how did we manage to sign big Al after entering the offseason with the worst Cap Position in the league, there are ways around it
But there is no way around losing the chance to get young players in the draft
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how about the
trades for Campbell and McIntosh. We gave up picks for them too.
We also traded down a bunch to get Patrick Ramsey. I don’t remember who we got with those extra picks, but it was probably a waste.
by CJHutch on Nov 27, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and we traded up to get Cooley
I’m okay with trading picks for players that end up starting for us, b/c picks don’t always work out. The Portis pick turned out to be Tatum Bell for example. The Pats traded a 2nd and a 6 round pick for Wes Welker, that is a great trade (not to mention a 4th rounder for Randy Moss). We traded a 3rd and a 4th for LLoyd, that seem to pretty much highlight the differences in the FOs.
by liger99 on Nov 28, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
with trading picks for starters. Young starters, that is. But you have to be smart about it. Shanahan raped us repeatedly. We could’ve gotten Portis straight up for Bailey if we had held out. Our front office lacks any sense of negotiating ability.
by CJHutch on Nov 28, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You like every
other NFL fan of every team is buying the dream that this year will be the year.
Some teams like the Browns and Lions are a few if not more years away from that.
However, the Redskins with some good signings and a good draft will be in the mix of teams that could do it.
The fact that Danny spends the money wrongly as opposed to not spending it at all is what makes it seem even worse.
PS – I tipped you to upset the Broncos which you did – can you return the favour and beat the Eagles this week.
by G Fan in England on Nov 25, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What debate are you talking about ......
like I posted on a earlier blog if we as skins fans are to stupid to realize that with a offensive line Jason Campbell is a top ten QB. We deserve for him to become a star somewhere else. Why are we even talking about this ??? A rookie QB behind any line good or bad is a recipe for failure. How many rookie QB’s have a decent year there rookie season ?? More than likely we will pick a guy that throws alot of picks and struggles for the first few years. Does Snyder want to win or is he just wanting to sell the flavor of the month rookie QB jerseys ???
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 25, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are talking about this b/c the front office refuses to believe the Oline is the problem
What makes it iffy is that Campbell has missed a lot of open WRs. There was one play a couple weeks ago where Yoder was WIDE open in the middle of the field….no one within 10 yards either way and Campbell had time…and he never saw him.
It’s understandable b/c usually by the time Campbell does his 2nd check he has a helmet in a chest…but the last week the OLine held up decently and the Skins had 0 Tds.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KEVIN E. I APPOLIGIZE ...........
I do not know how I forgot,but you are in the .1% that believe the earth is flat we need a new qb before offensive line position. I can read the doubt in your posts.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 27, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You could
Analyze every QB in the league and point out plays where they missed a completely wide open reciever. Not that it makes it any better, but I think we are being overly critical of Campbell, when his passing stats make him an above average QB in this league. There are a TON of terrible QBs in the NFL, and we have one that is above average. I say we stick with that and build a wall around him. You don’t let above average QBs go in the NFL because it can take decades to find another average to above average QB.
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
snyder sells hope- that’s all. there is no rational basis for it other than pure, wishful thinking. his record stands for itself.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 26, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JC will never be a top 10 qb .
His 2 picks cost us the Eagles game Sunday. He always finds a way to lose. He is a loser. Pure and simple. The game moves too fast for his slow little brain.
Draft TEBOW !!
by williamhudsonlink on Nov 30, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IF 99.9% of people realize the earth is round why are we ........
still discussing the possibility of the earth being flat ? What are you thinking about Kevin E. ? If you are a true Redskin fan how can you possibly even start a arguement that 99.9% of sane people know is a load of crap The only people arguing the NEW QB/ EARTH IS FLAT position are insane !!!!!! Why can you not just stick with the we need a OFFENSIVE LINE/ EARTH IS ROUND position which should be 99.9% of REDSKIN NATION ??
KEVIN E. PLEASE STOP MUDDING THE WATER SPREADING DOUBT AS TO WHAT WE NEED. If not we might end up with our first picks being QB’S not OFFENSIVE LINEMEN !!!!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 27, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting a QB
Drafting a QB is not only a risk, but it weakens your team in other areas. O-linemen are much more reliable first round picks, and they typically go on to have 8-10 year careers barring major injury. Danny’s meddling is clearly going to screw us over again and set back our O-line another 5 years. Thanks for nothing Snyderatto. Once every 10 years you might find a QB that can get the job done behind a below average offensive line, and even then they will only do it for a year or two before they end up bruised, battered, and bewildered.
Patrick Ramsey Part 3 was the best comment on the board so far. How many times can Snyder make the same mistake before he learns how to truly build a football team. Build from the trenches out. It’s really that simple!
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i thought it was pretty good myself :)
Patrick Ramsey Part 3 was the best comment on the board so far.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 28, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Call it the holiday spirit...
…But I’m still optimistic. The Redskins have a lot of work to do, and it will not all be done in one offseason. We NEED a quarterback that is going to grow to be solid for 60 minutes per game. We NEED an O-line. We’re not going to get it all next year, but we can start building. I don’t know who is graduating in 2011, but I do know that some solid QBs are graduating in 2010. Let’s get one. We will still be able to pick up some solid O-line, too.
If you look at what’s happening now, we’re losing our starters and doing better with the young guys that haven’t seen much action yet. I think we have a better O-line than we think. They’ve just been hidden behind overpaid veterans. Those veterans should be teaching the young guys, not taking their place on the field.
I think the end of the season is going to allow us a chance to see just what kind of O-line we have so we have a better idea of what to draft.
Maybe I’m just full of holiday warm and fuzzies, but I’m feeling optimistic.
by RFKate28 on Nov 25, 2009 9:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pass me some of that Vodka & Kool Aid
Sadly. I’ve had enough of the off-season championships. It gives false hope every year. How many more times am I going to put my hand on the stove?
I would welcome a young gun but surrounding him with free agent OL will not get it done. Going on year 11 of gluing not building.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 9:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
agree
I’m just not sold that buying an offensive line will get it done eaither. big dollar free agents don’t really seem to pan out for us so that tactic doesn’t offer this fan any glimmer of hope.
by monk81 on Nov 25, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Veteran O-linemen
Have bad knees making them more injury prone. That’s why you see so many on the free agent market. Get some young fresh knees on the field, and you can only do that through the draft!!
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, too
I still contend that much of this years early woes come from a lack of competition in camp. More FA’s mean more players who play with entitlements and less competition. Why do we need the big reputation players when its the blue collar over-achievers who go a long way to team-building and championships.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Scott you truly get it!! Now if only we can get Snyder thinking that way too. We never have true competitions for starting jobs in camp. Draft a bunch of O-linemen this year and let them truly battle it out in an open competition. If the 1st round linemen gets beat out, well then he can warm the bench. But I’m really tired of the entitled free agents, and we pay these free agents so much money that we feel like we have to start them, even when we’ve got a better minumum wage guy riding the pine.
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean to say....
hand on the stove
head in the stove?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the internet.
Is that assumptions get passed around to the point that they are taken as fact.
This past weekend, while in Texas for the Cowboys game, Snyder attended the University of Texas’ thrashing of Kansas 51-20. Word is he was there to evaluate Heisman hopeful Colt McCoy.
Obviously, anyone looking for some gossip to spread would say that Snyder was there to look at McCoy as the new QB for the Redskins. But how would anyone know Snyder’s intentions, unless he told them specifically? Texas is a team loaded with talent this year, and he could just be watching the game to see who jumps out as a good player. He could also be looking at OT Adam Ulatoski or WR Jordan Shipley. Hell, he could also be talking to Mack Brown about coming in to coach.
Don’t take any speculation as truth because “word is…”
by SSBlitz on Nov 25, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but...
If I was in Dallas for the Skins game, I would want to go to the Texas game too, but this is my problem with your statement:
Texas is a team loaded with talent this year, and he could just be watching the game to see who jumps out as a good player.
Why is he evaluating players? The fact he was on the Irish’s sideline during a practice is frustrating. Again, Vinny was with him and he has ties to the school….but it’s clear Snyder has a say in this decision process, which is not the owner’s job or expertise.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not his job or expertise, but I think he has the right to watch prospects. You and I can both watch a game (NFL or college) and see who is standing out as a strong player and who is making stupid mistakes (like T. Owens). He’s an owner with a lot of money invested in his team who wants to do his own due diligence.
I am positive that his evaluation is not being used come draft day. He will have scouts with much more expertise do a thorough evaluation for considering each candidate.
And more than anything, Danny is a baller. When you’re in Houston, that’s what you do. You go and chill in the box at a Longhorns game and talk to other ballers about football.
Better question, what if he was talking to Mack Brown about coaching? (130-25ish record)
by SSBlitz on Nov 25, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its been documented
that Danny is actually making decisions on draft day. Thats the problem. Even George Michael confirmed it. I agree he should be watching as much football as possible. But he shouldn’t be making decisions regarding player personnel. There are too many reports for it to not be true. He is deciding who we draft and who we sign. And that is what needs to change. Hearing that he his mini me are at ND and TX just shows that they are up the same old crap they’ve always been up to.
by monk81 on Nov 25, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not making decisions
But has input into the decisions.
by SSBlitz on Nov 25, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Question is...
Are you undercover Danny or undercover Vinny?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 29, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What scares me though...
Is by Snyder going to these games…if Colt or Clausen happens to have a huge game, then Snyder will be all for taking him….not taking into consideration the tape on any of his previous games…and how he does against a 3-4 vs 4-3. I’m not going to pretend I’m a scout, but he certainly shouldn’t be either. Cutler is evidence of that.
Cutler has horrible character which Karl Mecklenburg told us about…it’s obvious Snyder doesn’t take in everything.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll remind you, he DIDN'T trade for Cutler...
it’s obvious Snyder doesn’t take in everything.
And I don’t think you can assume Snyder jumps to conclusions based on single performances. Some of his decisions in the past have been hasty, but learns from mistakes and adapt towards the decisions that work. Like he would have while building a billion dollar net worth.
by SSBlitz on Nov 25, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason the trade failed was b/c of the Broncos
Broncos wanted 2 first round picks and a QB…they thought Orton was better Campbell so the Skins were out of the running. Snyder did nothing.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a second
Your BOY, Peter King posted an article claiming that Snyder was never willing to trade our 2010 1st round pick. His words were:
I spoke to someone close to Snyder over the weekend, and this person said Snyder is not going to allow next year’s first-rounder to be put in a trade.I read other articles on here and elsewhere claiming that Snyder was never willing to part with our 2010 – 1st Rounder in trades. IF there is any truth to those reports, then perhaps SSBlitz has a point about Snyder learning something from his mistakes. We all know that the old Snyder who originally came on the scene in ’99 and 2000 would have made damn sure he got any player he wanted, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 25, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
most reports said he wanted to make that deal
don’t give him credit b/c Denver refused his offer of multiple first round picks
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 25, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree with everything you are saying SS except this
I am positive that his evaluation is not being used come draft day.
C’mon dude, you dont beleive that, Look I agree that the owner has a right to look at players and care deeply about his franchise and even make the odd suggestion, But the problem in washington for the last little while can be summed up in four words
Danny See, Vinny Do
Still i get your point hes entitled to go and look and assess, but as long as he continues to have an influence on Football decisions with no talent for evaluating talent we will continue to come on here to whinge about losing rather than celebrate winning
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant
It’s not solely his evaluation. He’s not there examining form or technique. If someone catches his eye as a difference maker, he will have scouts give him a thorough evaluation.
by SSBlitz on Nov 25, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i admire your positive attitude dude I really do
and 95% of the stuff you write on here I agree with or it makes me think because it is well thought out and persuasive even if I initially disagree with the premise
but not this time mate
If you think that Snyder is just a voice in the room and then he lets “the experts” take over I really think you are kidding yourself, these guys rely on him for their income, you think they are just going to go “thanks for the advice Danny, but nah, you’re wrong”
but more to the point do you think The Krafts are in the Patriots draft and player evaluation discussion, do you think they go up to Belicheck with suggestions, what about the Rooneys or the owners of the Giants whose names currently escape me…. no…… and they are model franchises/
Dan should do Talent Evaluation at one level and one level alone, he should interview and evaluate who he believes his best to run the Football Dept as GM and then get out of the way and let that person do their Job.
NOT
Be the second coming of Jerry Jones and bring down a franchise with all the inbuilt advantages you could want for success, Eastern Time Zone, Division containing teams that all ahve big TV markets, tradition… Sorry Blitz on this one we must agree to disagree I’m afraid
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"The Danny" is a baller?
‘Scuse me while I puke up leftover Turkey. “The Danny” is playing NFL Scout now to add to his position as defacto undercover GM. What’s next? Coach?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Nov 29, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Widget school of management
At least earlier (before the term was associated with web coding) , this was the notion that management was so general that a widget that worked with one thing or product would work with all sorts of things to be managed. Snyder’s mentality is probably like that. Therefore he thinks he thinks he can manage a football organization from A to Z.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 25, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danny's money means jack and shit
and jack left town. A bunch of folks up above are talking about the ability of buying an O-line and rebuilding through FA. It isn’t going to work. Compare what we do to teams in the NFL that are actually successful. You build your core through the draft, particularly the guys that play on the line of scrimmage. Free agency is then used to complement it, a WR here or a CB or DE there specifically selected not for numbers necessarily but to suit your system. Currently it almost looks like we try to build the team through free agency. I was about to say that we complement the FA moves with the draft but really it’s more accurate to say we just use our draft picks as trade bait.
Yes, in theory it is good that Danny is willing to spend money. However coherence matters way more. This isn’t baseball where you can just buy a pitcher or a slugger for a low risk tangible contribution. In football the team works as a unit and if there isn’t cohesion they’ll never win consistently regardless of what the talented FA’s did on other teams.
If this was going to be done correctly Vinny would be fired and Danny would quietly ask Goodell for a short list of GM candidates to revive one of the NFL’s premier franchises so that everybody can keep getting rich. That person would then be given a solid 4-5 years to put a team together and have complete control over personnel, coaching, players, scouts, everybody. Sadly it sounds less and less likely that it is going to happen.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nicely put
It just boggles my mind that so many “Joe Average Football Fans” can see the obvious, relate the obvious multiple times a day and the jerk off just goes off and does whatever he pleases. Especially when he has been WRONG!!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Same Snyder organization ditched Champ Bailey & Brian Westbrook
and Desmond Howard too. Instead of getting Offensive line Players Snyder spent his $ on securing Sellers contract. Sellers isn’t blocking for Portis anymore. It has been very eveident this season , who the Slacker is.. Quit looking at QB’s Snyder & get rid of the GM and get some decent Offensive lineman in there & replacements that have multiple assignment skills…in other wards the must be Flexible at several positions.
If we had Champ Bailey, Brian Westbrook and Desmond Howard that the management at Washington gave away in trades.. we have some more quality players from which to build from. It has already been documented how your current management traded these good players away. Don’t trade Campbell, get him better protection.
by SuperYogidogg on Nov 25, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How could Snyder
ditch Desmond Howard when he never owned the skins when Howard played for us (92-94) & Brian Westbrook was drafted by the eagles, so dont know how we gave him away in a trade ? but i`ll give you the Champ Bailey one, we should never have traded him for Portis.
by mo19678 on Nov 25, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Antonio Pierce? Ryan Clark?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 25, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What debate are you talking about ??
Can I get a response to my earlier post above ???
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 25, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You betcha!
We are talking about Snyder becoming “head talent scout” for the ’Skins and that he is probably looking at potential rookie QBs to draft this spring and why he refuses to listen to common sense and reasoning a la drafting O-linemen instead of a pricey, fancy-pants QB.
You are 100% correct that what Jason needs is protection to perform better. The debate still rages as to whether, after all the abuse he has suffered, he would be able to become a top 10 QB. Some of his current numbers (back-to-back 3000 yd seasons and low interception rate) speak well of him. Others note a propensity to overthrow wide open receivers deep and to throw behind WRs in crossing routes.
He also has a tendency to rush the throw on some plays or hold the ball too long in other situations. All of the above could improve given adequate protection, but how much?
Almost all agree that the FFO has given up on Jason and that he will be elsewhere next year. Almost all agree that this would be a mistake and that the offense can improve well enough with a new line to complement our already good to excellent defense to the extent that we could build a perennial winner and eventually get back to the super bowl.
Many of us feel by keeping Jason at least while the line is rebuilt we have our best chance of immediate Offensive improvement and could definitively answer the question of just how good Jason is. A majority of us feel the FFO is to F’ing stupid to realize the obvious. This and the unfortunate situation where Dan Snyder is very young leads many of us to believe we will never see the day where this franchise is returned to it’s glory days and rightful position as a flagship for the NFL. Instead, we will likely end up watching Walker Jousting in Florida to occupy our retirement years. Any other questions?
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read the headline !!!!
The O-line or JC 17 ??? Let me say this once again if redskins fans can not see that JC 17 is no Peyton Manning But with a decent O-line he will be a top ten QB they are either blind or stupid !!! Still debating about the headlineabove is what I am talking about !!! How much mental and physical toughness does it take JC is like the Energizer Bunny he keeps going and going and going !!! He has been abused on the field and off. Look at Romo he was on the sideline pouting and they were only down by six. It took Demarcus Ware talking to him to get him to raise his head up. I would rather support a player that is tough like JC 17 than is week minded like ROMO . Do you understand now !! Scott E.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 25, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Headline is misleading
The O-Line needs improvement. There is no debate about that. The lack of O-Line certainly hurts Jason’s performance. The debate is how much a bad O-line masks Jason’s potential. It might very well be that he will only improve slightly with more time and less hard knocks. This could be because he is not a very accurate passer, as I mentioned above, or that he is shell-shocked beyond redemption – hope not, don’t think so, but bottom line don’t know.
What I do know is that he is our best option going forward at least for the next two years and our FFO is managed by idiots.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wile your calling people out.....
how bout finally replying to me on the other post hot shot?? Did I make a point?
Also…..not saying he wuld….but Kevin runs this shit…..couple clicks and you are never on here again! There are ways to be respectful about a difference of opinion! You love to call poeple out and throw some outlandish arguments out there (Campbell being the problem = World is flat)! That’s a ridiculous argument and I am a Campbell fan!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 28, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
World is flat was a great arguement /comparison ....
it was making a point of how stupid it is to talk about drafting a QB instead of Offensive linemen. It is also making the point that if you think we should draft a QB first you are in the same small percentage of people that still beleive the world is flat.
This was a great arguement just maybe over some peoples heads. Hey SHVD98 you were not one of them were you ???
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 29, 2009 4:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how simple it all is for you....
I think you might be Matt Millen!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 29, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
simple for me complicated for you ....
and it must be simple for most people since you are the only one complaining !!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 30, 2009 6:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you document this claim?
How do we know that Pierce was Gregg Williams’ doing.
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We shouldn't pick a QB in this draft
There’s no one who is enough of a sure thing to warrant a high draft pick. We need linemen (1st pick HAS to be one) and it would appear that we could use some help in the secondary and at running back. If Campbell doesn’t come back (and I’d like him to), I’d rather have Collins start next year or this no-name we just picked up than a rookie behind another patchwork line.
What do you guys think Clausen thinks when he sees Snyder at practice? Is he worried that the Redskins might draft him? I bet he is.
BTW, just checked out ND practice reports and found this from yesterday: http://www.blueandgold.com/content/?aid=8292. Unamed scout now present too.
by artmonk4ever on Nov 25, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A Rookie behind any Offensive line is not a good thing !!
The odds of finding a rookie that can lead us to the playoffs at a minimum is few and far between. If we sign a rookie QB early it will be just to sell “The New Flavor Of the Year Jersey” !!! The best chances for a Redskin turn around will be getting rid of Zorn, adding Offensive linemen and keeping Jason Campbell !!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 25, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why yes, you are correct Sir.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Samuels is optimistic about playing again.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/25/redskins-samuels-optimistic-about-playing-again/
It would be interesting if Samuels did come back in 2010. That offers the possibility that he could play right tackle and Levi Jones, left tackle. The Skins would still need to draft OL for depth in that scenario.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 25, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy it
He still has tingles in his neck this day. I think he’s just trying to keep things positive in Ashburn b/c more bad news is not what Snyderrato needs.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was just a throwaway line
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 25, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah. the real line was that Samuels has been ‘dealing with it for years’. I’m sure the FO knew he had a neck/spine issue. I foolishly thought it was a new issue…great…one more thing to be pissed off about. It’s like 2004 never happened and we never had to play Ray Brown at RT.
by liger99 on Nov 28, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If hypothetically
a first round drafted QB refused to play for the Skins what would happen? I know in baseball that if you’re drafted and don’t ultimately sign with a team you essentially get relegated to the independent league for several seasons. What happens in the NFL? Do you have to go play in the CFL or XFL or something for the duration of your rookie contract?
Not that I would necessarily want this but how hilarious would it be if we drafted a QB and he refused to sign with us? I’ve never heard the rules about it.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 25, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Re-enters Draft next year
At least that is my understanding of how it works. I would think that a top notch QB would want to get drafted by us tho. We do have a good team regardless of our record, good WRs, Rock solid D, We are not nearly as far away from being competitive as Cle., St.L., Det. or Oak. I am with LJP, put a decent line in front of JC & we will start winning. Also, what is Randy Thomas status for next year?
by ENsDad27 on Nov 25, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarification
And yea, I wasn’t saying I thought it likely or anything, just something I’d never thought about before. And you’re right we’re probably not as far away as some of those other teams. Also agree on the line in front of JC and this team becomes way more competitive. Regardless of what Randy Thomas’ status for next season I think it’s better just to assume he isn’t going to be serviceable. He got hurt last year, he got hurt again this year. Our guard situation may be less precarious than our tackle situation but not by much.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 25, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its a great question Terps
I genuinly beleive that if Sam Bradford because of his shoulder troubles, were dradfted by the ’Skins he would hold out and not sign no matter how much money they offer
He would just look at our O-Line and go “nah not worth risking a 15 year career for a big rookie contract” and hold out or force a trade. I absolutely beleive any smart QB in this class should do the same thing, but most wont, however because of his shoulder issues I think Bradford, if he has any common sense at all, will refuse to play in Washington citing the O-Line, I kinda hope it happens, maybe that will force Snyder to realise how important the unglamourous positiions are
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Several QBs have at least made there thoughts known
2004 NFL Draft = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eli_Manning
The San Diego Chargers originally held the rights to the overall first pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. With Manning being the most highly coveted player in the draft, it appeared that the Chargers intentions were to draft Manning first overall. However, Manning had publicly refused to play for the Chargers if drafted by them. The Chargers selected him with the first pick overall nonetheless as the team had a deal in place with the New York Giants where the Giants would draft and then trade Philip Rivers and draft picks (used to pick Shawne Merriman and Nate Kaeding) to the Chargers for Manning. It is not entirely clear why Manning did not wish to play for the Chargers.5
With the first overall pick in the 1983 NFL Draft the Colts drafted quarterback John Elway. However, Elway refused to play for owner Robert Irsay and threatened to play minor league baseball or in the newly formed USFL. Fearful the Colts would get nothing for his rights the Colts traded Elway to the Denver Broncos. – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indianapolis_Colts
I don’t know of other QBs that had that kind of leverage.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 25, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skins would have his rights for a full year
They’d have to trade him before the season or after the season, though. During the season, he sits on his haunches and refuses offers and looks like a bigger and bigger douche.
Anyway, I really can’t imagine someone refusing to play for the Redskins b/c of Snyder or their line. You’ve seen ppl sign with the Lions, Browns, and Raiders, right?
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 26, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Drafting Clausen would turn this organization around.
The guy is unbelievably accurate, and he’s been playing under pressure for the last three years … pressure from both the fans/ the overwhelming negativity around ND’s program and constant pressure in the pass rush.
With all that, hes got a 23/4 TD/INT ratio with at least one of those INT’s being complete garbage (perfect timing route to Floyd’s back in the Navy game). His mechanics are flawless. Colt McCoy is not in the same class.
by Buzzsaw on Nov 25, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but...
he’s from Notre Dame. Yes, so was Theisman, but….did I mention he was from Notre Dame….
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if it matters...
But he is a total dick. My cousin goes to ND and is roommate with a player. No one on campus likes him and says he is a total douche. Sounds like Cutler II.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my god
Sounds like Cutler II.
I dont mean to be harsh, but how hateful a person is Cutler.
He is one of the few athletes that I have ever felt genuine hatred towards as a human being not as an opponent or an athlete or a rival, but I genuinly dislike him as a person and actively wish him harm.
I’ve said it before, go to NFL.com and the SoundFX page and Cutler miked up, just listen to his whiney voice and see the way the otehr captains relate to him at the coin toss, its clear his own teammates do not like him one bit, and then he has the audacity to blame every bad throw on others
Sorry Cutler it cant be a bad route EVERY TIME, take some responsibility
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hillarious that is all I have to say about this ....
It is a big difference between being a stud in college versus the pros. comparing the Pros to College is crazy !! Do you think Clausen could have withstood the hits that Campbell has taken this year ? No better yet the ones he took against Dallas ? LOL Now you must really be Clausens Daddy !!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 25, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen
Clausen make some absolutely terrible throws.. he is a boy. This team needs a man to lead them. I don’t think that you will find an upgrade from Campbell in this upcoming draft… or any draft in the next 2 or three years as it stands now!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Nov 27, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line all day
Stephon Heyer is arguably the worst o lineman in the league wouldn’t you be apprehensive about passing when there are 300 pound lineman hitting you every play after going through 5, 300 pound lineman Snyder needs to stop all of this evaluating talent he tried to go after Mark Sanchez and look what hes done the last couple of games without an offensive line you cant move down the field and you give field position to the other team how are you supposed to win?
by DJMSU21 on Nov 25, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Snyder clearly has a terrible eye for QB talent
He always seems to want prima donna gun slingers who can make the highlights from time to time but aren’t actually good for the team.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 25, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame though
Clausen is awful the whole Notre Dame team is awful but the receivers if Clausen was so good why does his team suck where has Clausen been the last three years sucking it up with Charlies Wise they cant even beat Navy well Navy is pretty good but that’s beside the point if Clausen was the Savior people are hyping him up to be Notre Dame wouldn’t suck Colt Mccoy hasn’t played anyone good his entire collegiate career the last time he was challenged was probably high school
by DJMSU21 on Nov 25, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The diff. between Clausen and Mccoy
Clausen has looked average with a bad team against much better teams
Mccoy has looked average with a real good team against lesser talented teams
Clausen has all the tools a pro QB needs he just needs good coaching and decent team mates
by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 26, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JC at quarterback
If you make it to the NFL, you are good. You can take a average QB and put him behind a good OL and you will be a success. You can put a great QB behind a bad OL and he will be out of the league in 3 years. The OL are not star players, but they are the heart and soul of the team. I would got to Japan and get 10 of the biggest sumo wrestlers and win the superbowl. 10 of them, so them can change out a lot.
by tarheel6268 on Nov 25, 2009 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I would got to Japan and get 10 of the biggest sumo wrestlers and win the superbowl.
While this does sound quite comical, I have oftentimes wondered why the NFL doesn’t scout in Japan for potential lineman in the sumo world. They are huge and powerful and their wrestling matches are very similar to what happens one-on-one in the trenches of the NFL games, Stamina may be a problem for them. But, size and strength won’t be.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Nov 25, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
b/c
They are all 420# and 5’8"… the DL would simple jump over them. ha ha… idk really.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Nov 27, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its a combination of both with me leaning to the OL being more important -- OL needs to give the QB time to throw. When the QB has time, he has to make successful throws and I don’ t mean the dink and dunk variety. OL has done their part half the time - and with that 50% of the time, JC has probably only been successful 50% of the time (at best) and that translates to 25 % successful plays. Not gonna cut it.
I agree with tarheel6268’s post - its the OL that makes the difference. Look at all the good QBs in the league - they all have a good OL. They all get time to throw. We need to draft for the OL now and not create a line with patchwork FA signings year after year.
Look what GM Parcells’ first move in Miami - signed Long before the draft even started. Then he shored up the rest of the OL. While Miami hasn’t exactly lit it up offensively, they did improve their competitiveness. They are starting to level off and this is where you start to put in the real talent at the key positions.
So in retrospect, the OL has done the best they could, but it is not good enough for us to be competitive. Get a new OL and then find a QB.
Rock the Red! Rock the White! Rock the Blue! Rock the Pens!
by RedskinFan4Life on Nov 25, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You are not making any sense ...
Did you not say that all the good QB’s in the league have a good O-line ??? That they all get time to throw .. Then you say get a new O-line and then find a QB. I would think that you would say get a new O-line and give Campbell the opurtunity to play behind it. You are a normanl JC hater still trying to blame JC 17. Your coments contradict each other. Get JC 17 a good o-line and he will be a good QB for years to come.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 26, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just give it up
man… these fans are ready to give away a good QB for the next great ‘white hope’… one person isn’t going to fix this team… nor is it one section of the team that is causing the number to increase in that L column.
you should change your name to LETJASONGO… so he can go play for a good team and live up to his potential. sucks, but prob best thing for Jason at this point… I hope to GOD he begs to go to a better team.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Nov 27, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad thing about your comments ...
is that they are true. I am not a person to bring race into arguements but if you look at the facts what else could it be ?? It is crazy all the drama that he has been made to deal with and still had a good year It is really amazing that he has been able to do it with this line that he has blocking for him and Jim Zorn as a coach.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 28, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we have three super bowl trophies that prove the offensive line as a whole unit matters more than the QB. And there are plenty of other SB winning teams that have also won with mediocre QBs. There are teams that have won with elite QBs. But nobody has ever won without a top 5 line on both sides of the ball.
by les boulez bomber on Nov 26, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
True Oh so True...
So why do these people continue talking about QB’s instead of OFFENSIVE LINEMEN ??
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 27, 2009 6:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We Have Seen This Before
Jason Campbell is not the big issue here! Is he a hall of famer? No, but I think you can win with him as your QB if the offense was NFL caliber, which we don’t have! This reminds me of the Brad Johnson situation. Dan Snyder has no business scouting players because he doesn’t know the game. How can you build something when you don’t understand how it works? I hope this came out right!
by Beltwayboy on Nov 26, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
GO Redskins:Campbell's Got To Go!!!
WE need Ted!!! ( Todd Collins) in the game on Sunday against the Eagles. In the lil time he did play he gets the job done Ted! Everybody stepped there game up on Sunday against the Cowboys. But JC can’t get us a TD in the red zone. He just can’t do it! Give Ted (Todd Collins) a chance n the 2nd half if JC can’t get her done. I just want Todd to start an c what happens can’t b no worst than Campbell.
by iggi mac on Nov 26, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We saw what happened when Collins got to play
He didn’t get it in the endzone against the Chiefs.
And wtf is this “Ted” crap?
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 26, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he got into the endzone...
for the other team.
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Nov 27, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
you are the kind of mouth breathing fan I am so sick of. Collins is an old journeyman with a weak arm. If he was a better option than Campbell he would already have the job. There is a reason he is a career back up. And why do you keep calling him Ted? Seriously go root for the Eagles or Dallas or the Ravens or some other team with an obnoxious know-nothing fan base.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 26, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you watch football ???? Maybe you missed Todd Collins being sacked in the endzone??
Todd Collins is “The Human Statue Of Liberty” he will be carted off the field before halftime. You people talking about QB’s instead of O-linemen is the exact reason we have one of the worst O-Lines in the league.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 27, 2009 6:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We might be able to keep Campbell next year w/out a contract extension
If a new CBA isn’t reached, he becomes a Restricted Free Agent, and we can keep him for one more year with a qualifying offer. My guess is that, whoever the GM is this offseason, that’s what’s going to happen if the opportunity presents itself. It’ll give Campbell one more year to prove himself, either to our current regime of Campbell-doubters-who-know-there’s-no-better-option-but-really-wish-they-could-kidnap-Tom-Brady-because-they-only-value-hall-of-famers or to a new GM. Besides, even if a “franchise” QB is drafted in the first round this year, Campbell could stay in there and take the abuse that comes with this OL and they could groom the new QB for the next year. Of course, Campbell wouldn’t like that, but he is a professional who would do the job he was asked, even if it was a BS job. And he’d probably get another 3000 yard season (if he survived the entire year) and be an even bigger steal for whoever his next team would be.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 26, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
and that is the point
It’ll give Campbell one more year to prove himself, either to our current regime of Campbell-doubters-who-know-there’s-no-better-option-but-really-wish-they-could-kidnap-Tom-Brady
Even if you do not think Campbell is the answer, you have to come up with someone who is better, not just want him out of town. Personally I like Campbell as I have made clear…. but if you ask would I prefer Philip Rivers, then you know what I probably would if we could get him as FA and it did not cost us anything, but really good QB’s do not become Free Agents in their prime, teams know how hard it is to find them and know that a good one guarantees you 2 or 3 reasonably shots at a Superbowl during their career….
So all these ppl that want Campbell gone have to ackowledge the cost in draft picks that this entails and a team with as many glaring needs as the Skins need draft picks more than anything
Can anyone imagine the horror we would be going through for the next 4 years if McDaniels had chosed Campbell over Orton, no 1st Rd picks for 2 years and a turnover happy QB who is disliked by his teammates and doesnt understand the word “Leadership”….. but just imagine for a moment Cutler is a good QB (he isnt but just pretend he is for the sake of this exercise) we would still be in a massive hole because we would have no draft picks to use on O-Line to protect him for 2 years … its horrifying
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 26, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree....
This whole post is something that will cause a distraction. We should not even be talking about this comparison. If anyone still thinks that we need a QB before getting our Offensive line in order they missing are something (brain or eyes). This post as a whole is very stupid for a redskin fan to post. If you are interested in watching us win games sometime in the near future we need to avoid the distraction of the QB B.S. debate and focus on our Offensive Line needs. We should be talking about how the team can and should keep JASON CAMPBELL !! How we can and should draft oFFENSIVE LINEMEN !!!! Once you bring this topic up you bring out the JC haters. What was KEVIN E. thinking about or was he thinking at all ?
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 27, 2009 6:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Campbell........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Campbell is not the fn problem,yeah he may miss a few plays but who wouldn’t if you only have 3 steps before a helmet is in your face! I don’t know one succesful QB today getting it done with no O-line.How many plays has Jason had to make with his feet and how many passes including TD passes have been dropped….plenty.Give the guy some protection and time.Back to back 3000yd seasons,that should show the guy has the potential.Finish the puzzle,get a decent o-line working,get some tackling drills going,get sellars to either block or have a seat and we are the NFC East champs easy! Oh yeah,that won’t happen though as long as Snyder is the GM and Cerrato is the Head Coach!
by xXBROLY on Nov 27, 2009 12:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's not about "keeping Campbell"
it’s about who makes the decision as to whether or not to keep Campbell. Now, I believe Campbell has the ability to be a successful NFL QB, even if he isn’t likely to be a Hall of Fame QB. The issue is who decides whether or not he stays. If Vinny gets fired and a good GM comes in who is putting together his team and he decides Campbell isn’t the guy then that’s fine. What is not fine is Snyder and Vinny being the ones making that call.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 27, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell/Oline= scape-goat for FO
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Nov 27, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Notre Dame
There is nobody at Notre Dame worth evaluating. It’s one of the worst college football teams in the nation this year!
by Kurtstack on Nov 27, 2009 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
sure the line needs help
but can we really blame them for not scoring points? or not winning games? or how bout for Jason’s short comings as a QB? lets not forget here people there are lines out there that are just as bad if not worse than ours, one that comes to mind is the packers line. but a good QB would rise above this issue, Rodgers has been on his back over 40 times this season, but yet he still finds a way to score and win games for his team.
But i have also heard it said that that if you don’t hang from JC Johnson, and worship him as the next Joe Montana that you must be a fake redskins fan…Then they go onto to say that Campbell would be a top 10 QB behind a good line.. where have we heard this from? Oh that’s right we heard the same exact argument while David Carr was in Houston.. But hey he got his wish he went to a team that had one of the best lines in the NFL called the New York Giants and he still had the same problems he had at Houston. Holding onto the ball to long, not stepping up in the pocket, not holding onto the ball when he got hit.. Any of this starting to sound familiar to any body at all?
but hey that was the giants line’s fault huh? lets face it we have our own Carr here in dc and some are to blind to see it and blame every body but who they should be blaming….
by confederate_gent on Nov 28, 2009 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
trader -gent... opps I mean confederate-gent wake up and smell the coffee ....
the Jason Campbell bashing train has left the building and I thought you where on it since I have not seen you on this blog in a while. What receiver on our team is better than Donald Driver ?? Hey what receiver is better than Greg Jennings playing for the redskins?? I can not think of one can you ?? What about Ryan Grant do we even have a running back better than him ?? Aaron Rodgers can fall down on his back and throw the ball near Donald Driver and he will have seperation from the DB and will break tackles and make a 40 yard catch and run.
Oh by the way Trader- gent .. Opps .. I mean Confederate- Gent… the SOUTH WILL NOT RISE AGAIN !!! LOL We are The United States of America not The Cofederate States of America !!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 28, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so grant is better portis?
And you say i need to wake up and smell the coffee? grant has had a horrible year and you want to say he is better than portis? Hell betts is better than grant is i think you need to stop smoking the cheap stuff and get some of the good stuff.. You know what there was a key statement tn that Lil rant of yours, that Rodgers can get the ball near his recivers… Where your Lil hero Campbell either under throws them or over throws him and is to dense to realize that if they are double covering moss that Cooley or Devin or A.R.E are either wide open or have one on one coverage.. but according to your logic that is the receivers fault again huh? and you know what makes Rodgers a better QB than Campbell? i noticed you left it out, the fact that HE TAKES RISK.. and doesn’t check down on 3rd and long.. oh yea and in closing we put the ball in your golden boy’s hands this last sunday in dallas to win us the game and how did that work out? oh that’s right he threw a pick to cost us the game.. but yet i am a trader and a racist because you can’t support your argument lol now that is rich
by confederate_gent on Nov 28, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At this point in Clintons carreer yes he is ...
You do not watch footballl i can tell !! It is very clear you have not watched the packers play. How many short passes has Rodgers thrown that have turned into big plays?? I will answer that question, alot. Rodgers has receivers that catch short slant passes and out run and make mutipe people miss. We do not have a Donald driver on the team. Santana Moss is to small and not strong enough to break arm tackles. It is easy to take risks when you have receivers that will go get the ball and out physical the DB’s right now we do not have any. I can see Devin thomas becoming one though. Jason Campbell taking a risk is called a interception. You need receivers that will not allow themselves not to be bumped off the ball to throw into tight coverage and we don’t have any ?? Pay attenion some of JC 17’s interceptions have been caused by the receiver allowing the DB to push him out of the way. Do you not remember the pass on the sideline the Moss lost due to being bumped out of bounds. Maybe you have a bad memory but alot of Chris Cooleys catches were into tight coverage. He was the only receiver JC trusted with throwing those types of passes.
Good receivers go after the ball the DB’s will not even try and jump the route because they know they will not out physical them. So they either make a safe tackle or knock the ball down. You will not see a average DB jumping the route of any decent receiver because you will get boxed out and end up on the ground as the receiver goes by you and into the endzone.
JC cost us the game ??Lol .. That is the dumbest statement you have made so far. JC kept us in the game by making alot of big plays on third and long that kept Dallas off of the field.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 28, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love when someone......
backs the argument up with facts like:
How many short passes has Rodgers thrown that have turned into big plays?? I will answer that question, alot.
by shvd98z24 on Nov 28, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pay attenion watch the Green bay high lights at least ....
I guess you don’t watch the packers or their high lights. Every game Rodgers has at least one 10-15 yard slant patteren that turns into a touchdown or 40 + yard play. They have receivers that are better at (YAC) yards after the catch. If Campbell throws the same pass it is just a catch and tackle. Maybe you did not notice but Randle El is not outrunning to many people after he catches the ball.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 29, 2009 4:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have said it once....
I will say it again…..generally…..I agree with your overall view…..just not your methods. LEARN HOW TO READ JACKASS…..I am not arguing against you! Telling someone to watch games is baseless without backing up some shit with a couple stats. My comment above is that you actually acted like you were going to spit this stat out to back yourself….and then dropped a big load of shit instead by saying “alot”! Doesn’t make your arguments very credible. Every post from you is JC this, JC that, and you will fight tooth and nail…..but you always fail to back it up. You just call people out….question their fandom…..and make ridiculous comparisons that you may have picked up while banging your head in your padded room! I am starting to feel like I should get in touch with Campbell’s people and tell them to stay on the lookout. It’s like Selena all over again!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 29, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
have you heard of commonsense ????
Turn on ESPN and watch the high lights smart azzz or is that dumb azz .!!! Tell me how many times have you watched Donald Driver or Greg Jennings run a short slant route and turn it into a big play with yards after the catch. You are the only idiot on here that would ask for a stat for that. If you watch Packer highlights you will see that it happens every week. Randle el can run the same slant but he is not strong or fast enough to out run the DB’s and Santa Moss he catches the slant and looks for a soft place to lay down. How many people does Driver normaly make miss or out runs into the endzone ??
By the way don’t worry about my methods and I won’t worry about yours!! Just because you are dumb as a rock and think that you need to quote stats for every arguemnent that is your problem. If you ever decide to watch the Packers let me know how many times Driver or Jennings catches a short slant pass and it turns into a big play. We do not have a Driver or Jennings on our team. The closest thing we have is Devin Thomas and he is not there yet !!! Oh !! Maybe I should give you a stat showing why Devin Thomas is not as good as Driver or Jennings ?? Hey if you need the stat that bad and can not use some deductive reasoning that is on you, I hate it for you Buddy. That makes for a very complicated life !!!!!!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 30, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe JC goes to Green Bay....
sounds like the ideal place for you!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 30, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so our def didn't have
anything to do with that game in Dallas? i could have sworn it was them that held a team that was averaging 24 points a game to only 7.. but hey that was all Campbell doing huh? BTW how many td’s did Campbell throw that game? oh that’s right none.. but this is coming from a guy that thinks that i don’t watch the game? Then makes off the wall commits that if your not a tall receiver then you can’t make it in the NFL.. Well i guess somebody forgot to tell that to Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, Lee Evans,DeSean Jackson, and many others that are under six foot that they are to small also… oh and btw driver isa whole 2 in taller than moss. Again you blame moss for for every thing, but how many times have we seen a wide reciver be wide open and campbell panic and underthrow him or overthrow moss completly…. also most of campbells int’s have been because he can’t get the ball over a line man and it is tipped in the air.. but again you say i don’t watch the game then say that cooley’s catches were made while in tight covarge.. which is again wrong what makes cooley a force is his YAC which is 6.4 and what they liked to do is have him go out 3 yards and turn around and then let him run with and let the def try to bring him down.. i mean all you have done here is just prove to every one that you have no clue what you are talking about
by confederate_gent on Nov 29, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Campbells fault
JC really didnt play bad at all against Dallas, he made alot of good decisions/throws but our kicker left 6 more points on the field. It really seems to me that Zorn just does not care anymore because there is no reason the HC of a 3-6 team should be kicking a fg on 3rd down with 15 seconds left in the half from the opponents 20 unless he just does not care what his team does for the remainder of the year. It is obvious that JC does at times get a little antsy in the pocket but can you really blame him after the hits he has taken the last few games? So when he see a wr open downfield he is rushing to get the ball out before he gets smashed and if you rush a pass its not gonna be accurate. But JC still completes over 65% of his passes and rates in the upper half of the league in that stat. With a line he can trust and a different system the guy could be great. Maybe not Hall of Fame great, but consistant Pro Bowler great. And he was right, alot of Cooleys catches are made in tight coverage and alot of them are made 10-15 yards down field, but he is a force after the catch. And the only one of those WR you named that Moss should NOT be mentioned with is Steve Smith because he plays so much bigger than his size and Moss can not dominate like Smith can. And we do no use Moss like Philly uses Jackson, everything Philly does with him we use Randle El and Moss to do.
by Redskinsfan84 on Nov 29, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i never said it was all his fault
but i do think that he should take some of the blame for him getting sacked, but let Jason pass acts like it is every ones else’s fault when even this site says that some sacks are his fault because he holds onto the ball to long. I also would be a fool to say that our line also isn’t to blame Stephan Heyer has got to be the worst lineman that i have seen being a fan..
Also don’t get me wrong here, i also have seen Campbell shows signs of brilliance, but then the next drive or the next game he shows us that it was only a glimpse and he will revert back to to his former self. take the play of the game today he played really good all game but he was totally lost on that 4th and 1 and threw the ball into the dirt with moss open.. and I’m not the only one that See’s this in him both ESPN and the NFL network say he isn’t the type of QB that can put a team on his back.. But lets face it that is what we need in this div with all the close games we have every year..
by confederate_gent on Nov 30, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you still dont pay attenion ...
Moss is small and plays small , you are clueless so I am going to stop replying to your ignorant comments. If you want to know how I feel read ( REDSKINSFAN84) the comments below.
Why should I try to argue a point or position with a person that is stuck in the 1800’s hence the name CONFEDERATE_GENT. How about Southeren_ Gent at least that is regional. I knew trying to argue with a person stuck in a time warp was crazy. What is the saying “never argue with drunks or fools” it is a arguenment you will never win !!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 29, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's right....
Straighten him out RF84,he’s obviously has been watching the NFL in some distant parallel dimension or something.
by xXBROLY on Nov 29, 2009 3:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan Snyder seems to have very set ideas about how to fix things that just get shoved through. After the debacle with the slowest receivers in the league, he get’s all speed guys; need a better RB, go get the best available, no inside pressure, go get Haynesworth.
One thing that seems constant with Snyder is he remains one step behind. The best teams are a step ahead, getting players to fit needs they don’t have yet with most of their picks, then being able to give players time to learn the game. Snyder wants insta-fixes, which are expensive and don’t work. It works well in the business world, just not in sports.
I’d love to see the Skins put a great O-line out there, run the ball and make safe passes to eat up the field and the clock, but that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Where we are now is sad because it will take several years to build a good line and defense, and by then so many players will be dropping off or gone. I’d love to be wrong and have a few good free-agents/picks come in and fix the problems and see the team win, but that is so unlikely now.
by Phantaskippy on Nov 29, 2009 5:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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