Deal or No Deal? Evaluating the Redskins' 2009 Free Agents
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 3:27 PM EST
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In a post that I
realize is extremely premature, I thought it would be fun to take a look at the Skins current roster and start evaluating all of the upcoming free agents this year.
There are a lot of players on the fence at this point in my mind, and I'll be curious to get everyone else's feedback.
The current list of Redskins free agents include: Jason Campbell, Levi Jones, Casey Rabach, Stephon Heyer (restricted), Phillip Daniels, Rocky McIntosh, Carlos Rogers, Reed Doughty, and kickers Shaun Suisham and Hunter Smith.
My deal/no deals, explanations, and list of available league-wide free agents after the jump:
| Free Agent | Deal or No Deal | Comments |
| Jason Campbell | Deal |
At this point, I don’t see how any of the QBs listed below are a better QB than Jason Campbell. He’s been a staple in the locker room and until the Oline gets a face lift, Campbell is the Redskins’ best option. One could make a point for Tavaris Jackson or Troy Smith given their mobility, but they couldn’t even win the starting job behind the great O-lines of their current squads. |
| Notable FAs: Kyle Orton, Tarvaris Jackson, Kellen Clemens, David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, Jon Kitna, Troy Smith (RFA) | ||
| Clinton Portis | No Deal |
This is a sticky situation since Portis is locked in until 2012; however, don’t be so quick to think Snyder’s loyalty to Clinton will keep from cutting him in an uncapped year. After all, Lavar Arrington was so close with Snyder that he was a pall-bearer at his father’s funeral, and then when money got involved, the dispute ripped them apart. If a new Front Office regime comes in, and there is an uncapped year, the Skins have to think long-term and cut ties. It’s a sore feeling after everything CP has given this franchise, but if the Redskins ever want to win, snip. |
| Notable FAs: Ronnie Brown (RFA), Pierre Thomas (RFA), Cadillac Williams, Darren Sproles, LenDale White, Leon Washington, Jerious Norwood, Chester Taylor, Ricky Williams, Miami Dolphins, Willie Parker | ||
| Rocky McIntosh | Deal |
During games his name always seems to gets called and with the depth at LB being thin, Rocky is not a player the Skins can afford to lose. After the Skins unwisely didn’t grant his request for an extension earlier, I’m sure the former Hurricane and his greedy agent (Rosenhaus) will make a big run for the money. |
| Notable FAs: Barrett Ruud, Shawne Merriman, Karlos Dansby, DeMeco Ryans, Thomas Davis, Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, D’Qwell Jackson, Antwan Barnes (RFA), Bertrand Berry, Chase Blackburn, Gary Brackett, Jason Taylor | ||
| Casey Rabach Levi Jones Stephon Heyer (RFA) |
Deal Deal TBD |
Casey Rabach will be 33 years old next season and is still going strong. The former Badger would be a huge loss since he is the vocal leader before each snap. I can't imagine how out of sync this Oline would be without Rabach. The Redskins only other centers are local men Will Montgomery and Edwin Williams. Yikes. This is a no-brainer. The Redskins don't have the draft picks to fix the entire Offensive line, and Levi has proven he can play at a high level. He stopped Demarcus Ware last week, and playing with Cincy, he faced Harrison, Suggs, and all the best. Keep Levi and draft a stud RT with the first pick. Since Stephon Heyeris a RFA after this season, the Redskins can sit back and wait for any other teams to make an offer. I can't imagine there will be many, but Stephon has proven he is a serviceable backup with the potential to get over that hump. For an undrafted free agent, Bugel is definitely getting the most out of him. As I was typing this article, the outstanding Right Tackle for the Eagles, Winston Justice, just got signed to a 4-year extension. The 2nd round pick who is now 24 would have been a great addition to any squad. The list for FA O-linemen is a long one so I included the link. Jon Jansen is available again! |
| Notable FAs: [ALL FA Offensive Lineman] | ||
| Carlos Rogers Reed Doughty |
No Deal* Deal |
This one I went back and forth on several times, but if Carlos is getting benched for 2 straight games, then he can't be trusted. That leads to the question, who will replace him? The tandem of Tryon and Smoot has worked this year, so I'm thinking stick with it next year and sign a solid free agent. If Carlos can be kept on the cheap, then it's a good fit, but you know someone like the Raiders or Bengals will pay decent scratch for him. Kevin Barnes...please stand up. |
| Notable FA CBs: Tramon Williams (GB), Dunta Robinson(HOU), Richard Marshall (CAR), Marlin Jackson (IND), Alan Ball (DAL), Leigh Bodden (NE), Dre’ Bly (SAN), Nick Harper (TEN), Walt Harris (SAN), Ellis Hobbs (PHI), Tim Jennings (IND), Ken Lucas (SEA), Karl Paymah (MIN), Deshea Townsend (PIT), Fabian Washington (BAL), Usama Young (NO) – Restricted FA, Notable FA Safeties: O.J. Atogwe (STL), Nick Collins (GB), Antoine Bethea (IND), Darren Sharper (NO), Dawan Landry (BAL), Gerald Sensabaugh (DAL) |
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| Phillip Daniels |
No Deal |
Phillip will be 37 this coming March, and I think it's safe to say it's time to let the youth start. Orakpo, Chris Wilson, Jeremy Jarmon. The Defensive line seems to be the only position the Redskins have depth in. If Phillip is willing to take a mentor role as a backup and come in short yardage plays, then I think this could be a perfect fit. |
| Shaun Suisham HunterSmith |
Deal Deal |
I know half of Redskins' Nation wants Suisham tar-and-feathered for his perfomance at Big D, but Shaun certainly deserves the end of the season for a fair assessment. I feel he’ll come back strong. There are some good free agents, but I really don’t think any of these guys will be a substantial upgrade. Might as well keep Hunter and Suisham together and be patient with the improvements. |
| Notable FAs: Neil Rackers, Stephen Gostkowski, Shayne Graham, Jay Feely, Sebastian Janikowski, Jeff Reed | ||
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Agree with everything except left tackle
He’s 30, and surely won’t be around for another decade. It’s time we went and found our own instead of picking up other people’s castoffs.
Draft our own stud LT and let him study behind Levi for a year or two. God knows we need the depth. Then when it’s time, cut him loose and let the young guy play.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Problem is we need a LT AND a RT
Can’t get both in the draft. And I have a link coming up shortly which everyone will dread…but Snyder is taking a QB with the 1st pick.
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How to make 400,000
people stand up an vomit!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you can.
We have two day-1 picks, or more if we trade down
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
0% chance they draft 2 offensive linemen....
Tho I am for that.
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And to top it off...
you know he is going to let Jason go for a freakin’ song. We’ll be lucky to get a 5th rounder for him the way this FFO (fill in the first F any way you like) works.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for making my day!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tell me again
why can’t we put the franchise tag on him? Seems better than just letting him go.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remeber correctly
the price that one would have to pay to get him (high round draft picks I think) probably isn’t something many would be willing to part with for him. We’d probably do better putting the tag on Carlos.
Please correct me if I’m wrong
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just my point
Pay Jason and keep him. Why risk a chance no a high price rookie who will likely be eaten alive by the bye week.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
0% chance
That means we have to pay Jason the same salary as the top 5 QBs in the league!
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Same reason
we don’t franchise Carlos.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell is restricted,,,,,
unless a new CBA is reached!!!! We can put a level 1 or 2 tender on him and pay him $3mil or less and if someone else gets him….we get picks! Why franchise him and pay him $15?
by shvd98z24 on Nov 24, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where do you see he is restricted?
He is unrestricted everywhere I have seen
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pretty sure he's an RFA
it’s his rookie deal that’s ending, which makes him an RFA I believe
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the CBA
if the agreeement is signed the Campbell is a Free Agent (assuming the deal mirrors todays as far as player movement goes) if it is unsigned then next year is uncapped which means long term players spend one year as Restricted Free Agents before they become Free Agents
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 24, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, thanks Pommylee and shvd98z24
Sad thing is we don’t want a deal so we can cut ARE and Portis.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Per Gary Fitzgerald on Redskins.com......
Campbell’s status is going to be impacted by the labor negotiations this winter. If there’s a deal in place, then Campbell becomes an unrestricted free agent and available to sign with any team. If not, then he becomes a restricted free agent. As a restricted free agent, the Redskins can reclaim his rights and match any offers or receive draft pick compensation. With all of that in mind, I could envision Campbell coming back as the Redskins’ starter next year, even if the team selects a "quarterback of the future" with its first-round draft pick next April. Campbell has shown, at the very least, that he is a tough-minded, capable quarterback. He could still become the long-term answer at the position—if the organization decides he can develop into an elite-level quarterback—or serve as a stopgap until a young QB is ready to assume the mantle.
by shvd98z24 on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With an O-line
Jason at least has a chance to perform close to a top 5 QB – closer than an even higher priced rookie. Better spent dollars all the way around.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't believe I'm saying this
but I’d rather go for the LT (which most think is the staple of your entire line) and let Heyer do his thing for another season. ugh
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Noooo!
Yes, Levi is a stopgap, but he is an effective stopgap. Milk him for another year, draft a tackle to replace Heyer, and then draft next year’s stud left tackle. This draft is thin at the top, and this situation should at least give us a shot at winning next year. Bonus points for the front office if they use the 2nd round pick on a stud interior lineman. Signing Jones and 2 draft picks actually gives us a solid line next year, and then all we need the following offseason is to draft the stud LT and get Rabach’s replacement, and the Hogs are back in business.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need to hold off on annointing Levi
he’s had two decent games.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU
that’s basically my point. Draft the LT and let him and Levi duke it out in training camp if needed. Levi wins, the new guy can learn behind a vet. New guy wins, we have a COMPETENT backup should something happen
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Levi wins
and we have a ridiculously expensive talent on the bench awaiting bust status. But, we draft RT, and then we have two competent tackles instead of Heyer and draft pick with Levi as a backup. Its silly to resign Levi as an LT and then draft an LT this year when we have a glaring need at RT. ESPECIALLY when this draft is thin with top-level LT talent.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is there anyone worth looking at at RT?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So you play the rookie LT at RT
many good LTs started that way.
Or let him back up for a year. If talking heads want to spend their time calling him a bust, that’s their prerogative.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I'm saying
whichever side the kid played in college— who cares, a good athlete can play both sides of the line without much problem. I’m just saying that whatever tackle we draft should play RT instead of letting Heyer stink it up as the starter for another year.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We all realize.....
Levi isn’t signed for next year yet, right? He will be unrestricted……so who says he wants to stay……maybe he shows some promise here and jumps ship! He is also 30…..if you have a shot at a franchise LT……you have to take it!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 24, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
effective stopgap
is hardly declaring him a franchise player. But perhaps we have grown so accustomed to hearing how bad our linemen are that even a slightly positive comment seems blown out of proportion.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just sayin'
Everyone’s talking as if he’s ok to start at LT next season, and we are far from that certaintity.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should probably
just go with the best player available (O-Lineman) and let that dictate the rest of the draft. Any way you look at it this is sure to be a multi-year problem.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Obviously we don’t pass on Okung if hes still there when we pick, but we should be able to find a way to not have Heyer in our starting line-up next year, one way or another.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Spot on, Mate.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mmh
I begrudgingly agree
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet...
we are probably wasting our precious time with Danny boy scouting around for tackles in tight pants.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you mean QBs in tight pants
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't even trust him
to scout cheerleaders in tight pants. Although he might be better at that than Kevin is, judging by the miss FedExField candidates.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should draft a Left tackle first.....
then a flexible O-lineman (guard or right tackle) guy.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like CarverM's approach
No sense wasting any time or talent on positions where we are adequate.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and who's Levi's backup?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heyer.
I know you don’t like that plan, but there’s no sense in having Heyer remain a starter, when he should be a backup at best.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you feel comfortable
with Heyer being given the task of holding down the line should something happen to Levi? people don’t even think he’s a serviceable backup at RT!
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yet you want him to continue to start at RT?
at least my plan gets him off of our first 5
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as we've seen
injuries happen, with him at RT we know what we get as opposed to praying to god that Levi doesn’t go down. But like I said above, who’s coming out that’s good this year at RT?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trent Williams
played his whole career at RT before Phil Loadholt left.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
does look like an interesting prospect. Makes me wish even more that Danny had his ass in Oklahoma instead
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The point is
we don’t have to get Russel Okung in order to get a need. Any of the top-10 tackles in the draft are sure to be better than Heyer, so next year we can have two competent tackles, and then the following year we can either draft a stud and make him LT, or move the solid tackle that we got in this years draft to LT after learning for a year and draft the best tackle we can get in the 2011 draft.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe that was misleading
we don’t pass on Okung if he’s available. But I’m guessing that if there are more than 2 or 3 teams picking ahead of us, he will be gone.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Current college guards
are often drafted, but end up playing tackle. The left tackle is harder to find. If the Skins improve in the win/loss in 2010, they are less likely to get the best player(s) in 2011.
Centers in general seem to last longer in the NFL than other OL. I doubt that the quality of college players varies greatly from year to year. That notion is speculation since players develop in the pros if they have good coaching. It is always possible to get an Andre Smith (2009) or Chris Williams (2008) that do not start as rookies.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 24, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately players we draft
since players develop in the pros if they have good coaching.
get their coaching under Zorn and the Washington Redskins
:)
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 24, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have an excellent
developer of Olinemen in Bugel. The problem is that we simply aren’t giving him anyone with any raw potential to develop. He has probably done more with less than any coach imaginable. He has proven that when you give him top-level talent, he produces pro-bowl results.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bugel dug himself his own hole though
Cerrato during the draft kept going back to Bugel about the Oline and Bugel responded “we’re good”….equally bad reflection on both of them b/c Cerrato should have known better. The fans did.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you say this?
We have an excellent developer of Olinemen in Bugel.
I’m not sure there’s a ton of evidence for this.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 25, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not
pick up the LT in free agency(Marcus McNeil), and draft a RT in the second RD. Ciron Black, Sam Young, Joseph Barksdale, Anthony Davis could all be avaliable. That way we can get our future QB with our #1 and still fill in the OL.
by Tiller56 on Nov 26, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Reed's been great as a starter
I’d hardly call him a back up or a special teamer.
The lack of turnovers is on Laron more than on Reed
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
didn't notice that little blurb
I personally think Horton is a ballhawk that just needs a little more seasoning for him to reach his full potential. The kid excites me, and there’s definitely nothing wrong with having two very capable SS on the field in Doughty and Horton, but there’s just something about Chris that I like better.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Post
I just read on Homermcfanboy.com that Danny’s been keeping an eye on future prospects “Two weeks ago, he was apparently on the sidelines of a Notre Dame practice …. This past weekend, while in Texas for the Cowboys game, Snyder attended the University of Texas’ thrashing of Kansas 51-20.”
Now I have a feeling he wasn’t there to watch the big guys making the qb’s look good but rather the jersey sellers that are going to be on and off our IR list the next 6 years
by skinsfan28 on Nov 24, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha..
I was just about to add this as a FanShot to the front page…it still warrants it’s own thread. It’s so retarded he is doing the scouting.
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly does Snyder look for when doing his own scouting?
“Man, he looks great in those football pants”
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe its a Mandingo kinda thing...
I mean he and Portis like to dress up….I’m just sayin’.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is sooooo depressing.
And I thought I was safe with only a spork in the drawer. Now, not so much…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just threw up in my mouth
I’ve known it was going to happen. Another rookie QB to get chewed to pulp in the NFC East until Danny decides he’s tired of that barbie doll and wants a new one.
by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 25, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A telling point about Jason...
One could make a point for Tavaris Jackson or Troy Smith given their mobility, but they couldn’t even win the starting job behind the great O-lines of their current squads.
It would be spot on to keep him for the teams transition to the next level (above .500 playoff contender) and see if he can grow along with the young team. Draft the stud QB 2011 and let them compete or let JC become the backup. Just pay him well.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jason Campbell Back up QB ????
This comment is hillarious Scott E. why do you not get it ???? Campbell is not a back up give him a solid Offensive line and he is a top ten QB easy. I do not think a top ten QB should be sitting on anyones bench as a backup. Maybe Campbell should leave the Skins if people like you still have that thought in your mind that he should be a backup. You can not name but maybe six QB’s that could have played behind this line this year and done as well.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 24, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Passion is admirable
But the FO doesn’t see what we do. A guy who can not lose games for us if he was given the correct supporting cast. And as of right now, it seems like Danny STILL doesn’t get it if he’s in Texas looking at talent instead of taking his jet to Oklahoma.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree- campbell is fine…all teams playing after the second round in the playoffs have the best lines on both sides of the ball- period
by les boulez bomber on Nov 24, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neither of them are accurate enough to be good options- same problem as mr culpepper and why he nose dived after moss left
by les boulez bomber on Nov 24, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
neither of them referred to tavaris jackson and troy smith
by les boulez bomber on Nov 24, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of any Raven DB
in our stable. We need to add to our mental/physical toughness. D. Landry would be excellent.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think having the brothers Landry
would be badass. I still like Horton though. Maybe a 3 safety set? Who needs an OLB, let Orakpo play end and get those three on the field.
by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If nothing else,
we would be extremely deep in that position and could use all 3 in the nickel/dime packages.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
never watched Dawan play
is he really good, or just riding Ed Reed’s greatness?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's supposed to be pretty damn good.
Maybe not pro bowl level, but damn good
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The take is
Laron is the talented one, and Dawan is the harder worker who has gone farther on effort. I like that in a player over sheer talent.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Brown
is an unrestricted free agent if a CBA agreement is reached. He’s on contract for another year at $5.5 mil if it’s an uncapped year.
by SSBlitz on Nov 24, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you don't think the 'fins will pay money to have him back?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like going with a low
draft pick and go completely young fresh legs. If he has any talent at all and is not a fumbler it should work.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no signing free agents who aren't replacement-level.
especially RBs
especially RBs who’ve suffered two serious injuries
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are always good backs coming out of college every year in rounds 2-5…folks- we need a line—-all five spots
by les boulez bomber on Nov 24, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*with young, fresh legs...
Also, don’t see us getting a premier QB draftee and RB on FA. Why waste both if we are not addressing the line to maximum extent? Oh, that’s right – FFO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Another point for keeping Levi Jones
What makes u think this front office can draft a capable OL? Levi should be insurance even when they draft a QB
by KevinE on Nov 24, 2009 5:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Overall, great analysis
I think what we really need is an outsider to come in and evaluate this roster without any alliegance to certain players — like Vinny clearly has with some of his own guys — and trust them to make a decision.
But I would have to say that our biggest FA targets should be OLB — where both the quality and the depth is stunning — so we can move Orakpo to DE full-time and get someone who can really cover TE’s on the squad. Haynesworth said it — have Orakpo in at DE full-time and he’ll be unstoppable. DeMeco Ryans, D’Qwell Jackson, Gary Brackett, Krik Morrison, Shawne Merriman, Karlos Dansby? Unbelievable list. We should be able to scoop up one of those guys. Minus a few, that’s a short list of some of the best OLB’s in the game.
Speaking of which, Rocky McIntosh is certainly the most improved player on the defense. I’d love to see him here for as long as his knees hold up.
I agree completely with the Levi Jones argument — he is at the very least a capable backup, a better one than Heyer. Carlos Rogers will command more money than he’s worth and he’s really not all that. I do have a feeling, though, that if he goes, Campbell will too. They were college roommates and remain boys. If we can keep him for cheap, I would, but I imagine he’ll want to leave after the last two seasons.
My biggest problem with the above analysis is with the kicker — with Rackers, Janikowski, etc on the market we could really improve our team. Hunter Smith, obviously, should stay on. He’s arguably our offensive MVP this season. (Half-kidding. Only half.)
The perception on Campbell remains split, but I really think he’d do better than any of the QB’s available via FA. The question is how high our draft pick is, and whether or not we should try drafting a QB like Bradford, Claussen or Locker instead of an OL with our top pick. It should be interesting, because I don’t think we’d have to pay much for Campbell. If someone overpays him, it will likely be a team like St. Louis or Oakland, who would then be passing on the QBs, which is relevant because they will likely have a higher pick than us.
There’s lots of football to be played, and lots of reviews pending for Campbell, Rogers and Levi Jones in particular. Should be interesting
by mmford10 on Nov 24, 2009 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
an idictment on the skins
As I was typing this article, the outstanding Right Tackle for the Eagles, Winston Justice, just got signed to a 4-year extension. The 2nd round pick who is now 24 would have been a great addition to any squad.
Does anyone remember Justice getting embarressed by Umenyiora on Monday NIght Football (or was it SUnday) a few years ago to the tune of 7 or 8 sacks, all one on one and the Eagles gave him no help.
I was againts not giving him a double team to help, but I supported the eagles decision to leave him in there, Now look he has took his licks and is a gun O-Linemen.
Whereas Zorn, sees Rhinehart play one or two bad snaps and doesnt even activate him for gamedays… Zorn has no trust in the young guys and doesnt give them a chance to develop in game situations until injurys force him too and then they suddenly show that hey maybe they do have something (See Thomas, Devin and Davis, Fred)
Whatever decisions the Skins make I just hope they trust their reasoning for the picks and stick with the players through the rough times and let them grow
BTW, even if they sign a LT with an early pick they should still keep Levi, if this year has taught me anything it is that O-Line injurys happen and you need solid back ups
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 24, 2009 6:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm....
“As for Hunter Smith… his 2 TDs equal Moss, Cooley, Yoder, and Betts’ TDs for the year.”
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
by DCtoAustralia on Nov 24, 2009 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't leave out an H in the middle
That was a scream of horror
by DCtoAustralia on Nov 24, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the clarification...
what with the accent and all. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line Only
Draft Offensive Linemen with the 1st four picks, whichever is the best available. We have an excellent O-Line Coach & we can develop these players into starters. Good teams need more than 5 serviceable Linemen. We need to be able to have backups who can also platoon into games to give our starters a breather or step in full time in case of injury. We all know that O-line is our biggest weakness on a franchise that prides itself on its Hogs. If we can pick up a good FA, great, but teams rarely let good linemen get away. I think that LJP is right, with a good O-Line this team will win games. A lot of them!!
by ENsDad27 on Nov 24, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Deal or No Deal
I agree with all of the evaluations, except for the first 2. Swap those around. Campbell is no deal, Portis is, especially since it appears Betts is history. If Portis doesn’t stay, we are really thin at RB. He would probably be too big a hit for the next 3 years on salary cap anyway (Is that being eliminated next year?). I don’t feel management thinks Campbell can get them to the next level, win a playoff game. I think the ‘Skins will use their first draft choice next year to get the best college QB available, either by trading up or waiting until their selection and taking the best who’s left. Collins starts one year while the kid (Colt McCoy?) learns, maybe plays some, then is handed the reins in year 2. Colt is number 3 again. Just my thoughts, 2 cents worth.
by MrGolfDog on Nov 24, 2009 8:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Collins is already 39
going on 40. I don’t see him with the team next year unless I really missed on his age. Still don’t see him staying to show some rookie how to take it in the nutsack.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 25, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm a Campbell supporter but
i tend to agree with this
I don’t feel management thinks Campbell can get them to the next level, win a playoff game.
However I feel that Campbell does not NEED TO WIN us a playoff game, all he needs to do is stop us from losing one, and he can do that. Plus what QB’s out there can win us that game, its not like we can go and sign Manning, Brees, Brady or Rivers….
And if we sign McCoy (who I like by the way, we get a few college games in Australia and have now seen 3 Texas game, the kid looks good) we wont be able to protect him anyway. Collins is not the answer, he was an Al Saunders system QB (throwing to space and all that) and will be 3 years older next year than he was then.
So I think (and I am well aware this is not an original proposition) draft O-Line (but this is a little bit Original) if we can get one pick up a genuine Stud RB and rely on Campbell to keep the ball, move the chains and rely on DT becoming a Return menace and the running game in the Red Zone
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 24, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we cut Portis, what about a guy like Darren Sprole to replace him? We all know what happens when an LT backup gets the starting job. I personally love the idea of have a RBBC, and the idea of Sproles and Betts in a backfield with a decent O-Line is pretty enticing. Not to mention his Special Teams prowess. What do you think?
Fehr is fair, but I like Laich
by amkcaps on Nov 25, 2009 7:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sproles will want starter money
no FA RBs, IMO
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
With your complete assesment. We might get a draft pick for restricted free agent Carlos Rogers, in which case we could draft a young CB for depth. We need to sign one of those LBs out of the nice crop of free agent LBs so we can get Orakpo back to his natural DE position or so that we could run a 3-4.
We also need to sign one of those FA RBs, and their are some nice ones to choose from. Let Portis go. He was one of the best Redskin running backs ever, but his time has come and gone.
We need to sign Rabach and draft a C/G who Rabach can mentor in his final NFL years.
Draft a G and a LT in the first 3 rounds of the draft.
If we do all of this I can see us being pretty damn competitive next season.
by Kurtstack on Nov 25, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Snyderatto
If we do all of this I can see us being pretty damn competitive next season.
hahahaha. We’re drafting a QB round #1. I’d put my house on it.
by KevinE on Nov 25, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but true
And I don’t think Vinny is going anywhere. Snyder won’t fire his racket ball partner and only friend in the entire universe (besides Tom Cruise of course).
by Kurtstack on Nov 25, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whose got some money, real money
to donate to the Church of Scientology and get them to tell one of their e-meter guys to tell Cruise that the great Spirit is passing on an urgent msg for hime to send to Snyder
’Fire Vinny and draft O-Line"
maybe we should all chip in!!!!
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 25, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of these
Keep Campbell as cheaply as possible, draft young OL. We’ll look like douches to the rest of the league to have drafted 6 OL, but we already look like douches so who cares. Levi is a capable backup and may have to hold the position for us while a young guy gets his schooling. Let Rogers go but sign a free agent, bring in any on eof the number of young capable LB’s. D’Qwell Jackson would be a great guy to take the reins form Fletcher, then we can trade Fletcher for picks.
by monk81 on Nov 25, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with all of it
Except I think JC will get offers from other teams and after all he’s been through, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him take 1 of them.
by aFan4Life on Nov 25, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing the agents are the ones that get called greedy
with the way NFL Front Office’s act. I’d say the ones making 100s of millions are much greedier than the guys trying to get their players, the one’s who actually generate the money, a little extra cash. It’s a stigma that was developed by greedy execs and accepted by the media. Too bad.
by Buzzsaw on Nov 25, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If a CBA can't be agreed upon (i.e. if there is no cap next year)
then C Rogers and J Campbell become RFAs, and the Redskins merely have to make one-year qualifying offers to keep them. At that point, I think both of them would end up staying with the team, especially Campbell, who is waaay under-valued in this league.
source
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
by kseandoyle on Nov 26, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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