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Hunter Smith and Shaun Suisham react to a missed field goal on the field in Dallas. Unpictured: me, throwing a beer can at my TV.

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Hunter Smith and Shaun Suisham react to a missed field goal on the field in Dallas. Unpictured: me, throwing a beer can at my TV.

As this season wears on, it becomes harder to tell if I am seeing bright spots on this team or if I am just seeing stars from getting punched in the face by the weekly results. Against the Cowgirls on Sunday, our defense played with the kind of resolve and ferocity you associate with playoff teams. Even our offense played well, in their own anemic way.

The game reminded me of last season in many ways, but here are two (after the jump):

Star-divide

1) We had Romo in our grasp a few times where the sack would have been huge. We failed to bring him to the ground. I know I make Dallas games out to be bigger in my own mind, but I feel like we have such a hard time putting Romo on the ground. That one play where Orakpo had him dead to rights. It was kind of like a cross between a missed tackle and a mediocre move by Romo. Orakpo played a pretty good game but to see him join the list of guys in burgundy and gold to come up empty in a situation like that was discouraging.

2) We are good enough to win when we don't make any (sizable) errors. But we are not good enough to overcome mistakes. Last season our 6-2 start was almost entirely attributable to Jason Campbell's incredible run of little to no turnovers (I think he fumbled once or twice but had zero interceptions.) All of our games were tight affairs. As soon as we started turning the ball over and making crucial errors, we found ourselves unable to win. On Sunday, I thought Campbell had a hell of a game--I would say his best game of the season. His 3rd down success was studly. But at the end of the game, mental errors by JC (cross body throw into what looked like double coverage) and the offensive line (offensive line coaching 101: you have to engage the d-lineman all the way until the ball is out and gone...cut the hands and keep him off balance) kept us from getting down the field for a chance to win. The missed 39-yard field goal by Suisham also makes the list of mistakes we can neither afford nor recover from these days.

Let me be clear...if I had to choose between losing this game to get the #1 draft pick or winning this game and slipping a few spots, I would take the win every single time. I can't stand the Cowgirls and beating them is a priority no matter what. But losing this game helped us in a few ways:

1) If we had won, how long do you think it would take Vinny Cerrato to play the "I Told You So" game? Of course it is an immature, not at all smart thing to do. But we're talking Vinny here. I bet you would have a quote out of him by Wednesday talking about how he felt confident in the guys he put on the sideline to start playing well and winning. Again, I would rather take the win over Dallas and have to deal with Vinny's B.S., but there is a small part of me that almost instantly felt relieved that this loss kind of further cemented Vinny's fate. I mean 3-7 is an indictment, right? (In the hopes that I head off comments from people thinking I would prefer a loss as an FU to Vinny, let me re-state that this is simply not the case.)

2) Jason Campbell continues to play tough. I can't see the future but in an uncapped year, Campbell is a restricted free agent. I have to believe if we tender him to a very reasonable amount, we can get a team to send us a draft pick for him. In the face of adversity, he continues to display toughness and he keeps making plays. He won't be washed out of the league. If the Skins choose to go a different direction, and there is an uncapped year, they would be wise to try and get something in return for him. The Patriots had no intention to keep Matt Cassel last season but they tendered him at the franchise level and got a sweet draft pick out of KC for him. I am pretty sure the Redskins can sign JC to a modest term sheet and then make it known that they aren't asking for an extremely high draft pick. Then a team can come in, swoop him up for a low cost and send the Redskins a much-needed draft selection in return. You can't convince me there aren't at least 2 teams in the league who would consider giving Campbell a shot.

3) We will keep getting longer looks at some of the guys on this roster that we will need to count on in the upcoming years. Sure, injuries are playing a huge role in this aspect, but I also think we are seeing a break from the rule that some coaches didn't put the emphasis on the youth movement. For example, I bet Joe Bugel could have made an argument for Will Montgomery to start at guard the past two weeks and he probably would have (nothing in the last two years leads me me to think he likes Rinehart at all.) I am not convinced the difference between the two is that great. But maybe we saw Rinehart the last couple weeks in the interest of seeing exactly what we spent a 3rd round pick on in a previous draft.

It was an entertaining game that we could have won. Where have we heard that before?

Ten Yard Fight - 10 Chances To Make One Good Point

1) Devin Thomas, Malcolm Kelly, and Fred Davis keep looking better out there on the field. In the comments section, please tell me if you would consider trading Moss this offseason (regardless of how it would work contract-wise) and go with Thomas, Kelly, Davis, Mitchell, and Cooley as our primary pass catchers.

2) All offseason, we dealt with the quarterback lusts of Dan Snyder and Vinny Cerrato. Mark Sanchez is struggling mightily in New York and Jay Cutler is doing his best Rex Grossman impression out in Chicago. With Sanchez, you expect a rookie to bounce up and down as he gets his bearings. I think he is going to be fine. But Cutler is just playing awful. Sure he gets some numbers, but he is missing wide open guys in the end zone. On Sunday night, he overthrew Devin Hester and Johnny Knox for what would have been touchdowns. They were both behind the defense. Cutler's arm strength is impressive, but his lack of touch on the deep ball is alarming. His 18 pickles stand out. You can argue that the futures for Cutler and Sanchez are probably brighter, but right now I am pretty happy we didn't trade JC and a slew of draft picks away for those guys. With our luck Sanchez would have had a season-ending injury and Cutler would have cussed out everyone on our roster.

3) I thought I would touch on Blache for a moment. Our pass defense came into the game against Dallas ranked #1. They played like it. Yet, time and again, a lack of a decent pass rush hurt us. An anonymous defensive starter said after the game, "I guess you go with what you're comfortable with." To me, this is an obvious shot at Blache. He is not a blitzing maniac like so many of his successful contemporaries. I struggle with how to balance my appreciation for what our defense does every week with the lack of the kind of potent pass rush that excites fans of other teams. On one hand, I guess you could say Blache manages his personnel and plays to the strengths of the guys he has, but we also clearly don't make a concerted effort to go balls-out on the blitz with any regularity. The same anonymous defensive starter said that they did have more blitz packages in the game plan but they just didn't call those plays. It is clear what Blache is comfortable doing, and it is clear that he gets results. I am interested in hearing what people have to say about Blache and his attitude/philosophy on blitzing.

4) DeAngelo Hall is going to be here for a while it would seem. I find myself encouraged by his willingness to go and make tackles on the field. I love when a cornerback is a tackler that the defense has to account for in their blocking. Troy mentioned it during the telecast--a certain corner named Deion was a gifted football player that did not put his nose in there and make tackles. Teams ran at his side of the field and it forced other defenders to step up and compensate for his unwillingness to take on running backs ("business decisions" as Deion called them.) Great defenses have 11 guys all ready to hit you and bring you down. One thing that shouldn't happen between this year and next: we won't get less physical on defense. In fact, if Barnes can ever get his head right, he plays a very physical cornerback spot. One can dream...

5) Was I the only one hoping Hunter would hit the giant video board?

6) The performance that Mark Sanchez turned in against the Patriots most likely scored negative points in all fantasy formats. A quarterback scoring negative points in fantasy football is like waking yourself up with your own fart. And not the sound of it...the smell of it.

7) Bad news for us Redskins fans. The Raiders beat a very, very good team on Sunday. What was looking like a bright spot on our schedule all of a sudden looks like it could be a tough spot. Then again, the Bengals did kind of give that game away. Still, our shot at JaMarcus Russell is not looking good--in fact Bruce Gradkowski will probably have to be carted off the field for that to happen. A Top 5 draft pick could at stake in that game.

8) The Bengals blew a great chance to put some distance between them and the rest of the their division. But they have to be feeling a little more confident now that the Steelers are without any healthy quarterbacks. If only they still had ARE...

9) I know it sounds like sour grapes, but I look at that Cowgirls team and I don't see them beating anyone good in the playoffs. Am I out to lunch on this one?

10) Drew Brees only threw for 187 yards this week against the Bucs. The game was slightly out of hand at the end and the Saints have proven to have a pretty robust rushing attack, but this has to be alarming to fantasy owners. For most people, this is the stretch run for the playoffs. Next week he gets the Patriots and in Week 13 he gets the Redskins. That is the #6 passing defense and then the #1 passing defense in back-to-back weeks. I doubt you will be benching him if you have him on your team, but you probably can't expect him to single-handedly carry you for the next two weeks.

Give Me The Numbers, STAT!

We lost by one point. Some key stats in this game agree with the final score this week. Having come up short on the scoreboard but not on the box score a bunch of times this year, I have been paying attention. This week we were down in time of possession (31:26 vs 28:34), overall first downs (17 vs 14), rushing yards (153 vs 78) and red zone efficiency (they were 1-for-2, vs our 0-for-1). The margins here are slight...was this a close game or something?

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but it should be Lucy and Charlie Brown because we the fans keep believing in the Snyder + VC + Zorn Redskins. How is it we were shocked when they found a way to lose? Now I know how Charlie Brown feels!

2) Don’t worry, we’ll have another QB circus next year.

9) I agree that the Cowboys don’t look like a team that can beat a real playoff team.

by aFan4Life on Nov 24, 2009 8:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

In a more perfect world

2 – we need to find a way to keep Jason. Any draft pick we get pretty much means we have to start all over at QB and use that pick for that end – not a wash IMO. Also, we should wait to see who the next HC and GM are and let them get settled on what they want for a QB. Keep JC for 2 more yrs, pay him well and he should get better with a revamped O-line which we will start developing in the draft this year. (Hey, I made myself LOL that time!)

1 – Moss is a better bet for a draft pick than JC. Make sure we keep Yoder!!
3 – Blache “goes with our strengths…”?? You can afford not to blitz if you have shutdown corners, tackle well and/or you don’t have pass rushers. So why are we not blitzing??
7 – Unless we lose JC we don’t want a top 5 draft spot. We need 2 mid-lower first rounders instead. How we make that happen? Lose to Raiders get 5th spot and trade down?
9 – They look soft and disheveled – like their HC.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The thing about Blache...

is our defense is actually pretty damn good. I wish he was calling more blitzes but he seems to be getting some good results out of this unit. It is hard to really complain about him and our defense…

I guess I was taken a little aback by the player’s seeming frustration with the lack of blitzes being called in games.

by Sugar on Nov 24, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to criticize only 7 points

I was surprised by the apparently criticism too. Holding any team in the NFL scoreless for 58 minutes is hard to do, and the Cowgirls have some decent weapons – they aren’t the Browns. So it is hard to argue with the result, but I guess the player(s) want to be more aggressive. Can’t blame them for wanting to lay out another cowgirl QB…

by Wellsee on Nov 24, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not necessarily

complaining about the results, it just seems like he is favoring what he’s comfortable with against the level/type of talent he has. I still think they could be more successful with a larger, more often used blitz package. We don’t have shutdown corners, we have had problems with tackling, but with AH, Orakpo, Jarmon, Alexander, etc. we have options on a fearsome pass rush. So why are we playing “bend don’t break” when we could be breaking offenses and increasing turnovers, which help immensely with field position, defensive scoring, and increased time of possession for the offense.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We find ourselves eye-to-eye on this ScottE

I can’t tell you how frustrating it is to see us rushing 3 or 4 guys at a time…it seems you are equally as frustrated

by Sugar on Nov 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody know

the frustration I seen.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the last time I was this frustrated

I was 17 and her name was Jean and cold showers aren’t helping this time either. ;-)

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Redskins

definitely have me peeling the labels off of my Budweiser.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still got the gun sittin on the coffee table..

hasn’t left in months

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't end it now

we’re going to the Superbowl NEXT year!

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

at the end of the season it’s going in the lock box, only to be opened once more during training camp next year :)

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Momentum

A more aggressive defense can impact the overall momentum of a team. In the Monday night game between the Titans and Texans both defenses seemed to rise to the occasion in the second half. It almost looked like the Titans had the Texans offense stimied but the Texans defense came back strong so there was no big momentum switch.

I never did find out the cause of the communication break between Blache and Greg Williams after Williams’ departure. Could it have been defensive strategy?

by Jefferson1935 on Nov 24, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Has there been anything from Snyder to let us believe Vinny really is on the hot seat?

It seems obvious to us, but I haven’t seen anything from reliable sources that Vinny is in danger of losing his job. He and Snyder are obviously in cahoots, and it wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him stick around regardless of how this season goes.

by VB O's Guy on Nov 24, 2009 9:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dude

the only thing keeping me sane during this clusterfck of a season is the thought/hope/prayer that Vinny’s ass is gone as soon the offseason comes. Don’t ruin dreams

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Break out...

the anti-nightmare pills. After all, Vinny did provide us with a Playoff Caliber Team – I believe they have a real shot at the AFLAC Tendonitis Bowl.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus a Recommend!
the thought/hope/prayer that Vinny’s ass is gone as soon the offseason comes

by dr WNC on Nov 24, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent recap

Blache seems to do well at coaching the players to be where they are supposed to be on any given play, which makes the defense look good. The defense could look STELLAR “if” he could pull the trigger on a few more blitzs each game. His defenses always seem to give up the big drive when it matters most.

We need to keep JC. The guy is putting up good numbers and would be putting up great numbers with a better team. Campbell does everything he can with the line that he has. Frankly he shouldn’t be able to move the ball at all in the passing game but he does!! Keep him as he’s the least of our problems right now.

Kelly, Thomas and Davis are truly impressing me. I think we have our future playmakers on the field now and they should only get better. As a result we can focus on the O-line this off-season, and if Buges can coach ’em up I could see us turning the corner next year.

Based on this years injuries we may need to draft a RB this year.

We need to let ARE, Santana and Portis go in the offseason. If we can get a pick or two for them even better.

We should run two TE sets next year with Fred Davis and Chris Cooley.

by Kurtstack on Nov 24, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I have no problem with any of that, except I’d like to keep santana so we can put him in the slot. All of our guys right now are 6’+. The thought of a linebacker lining up in front of Sanatana makes me salivate.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not going to happen.........

Especially with Portis. Look at their contracts and the cap hits we’ll have to take for years to come. Vinny envisioned Portis having thousand yard seasons till he was 35, by the way he’s only 28 now. Nobody on this planet will take on his contract. You can slice and dice this up anyway you want……trade em……..cut em………..whatever……. this particular contract is going to set this team back for a few years. If you’re going to say his contract will be accelerated and paid off next year, that might be correct but Dan will have to find a way to make up for it by not spending, which speaks for itself, or raising something to get that back, either way the fan will suffer. This is not to mention that yes, ARE has quite a big contract to deal with to.

Their is only one way I see out of it, Portis rededicating himself for 2-3 years. But why would he do that and risk his health when he’s GUARANTEED so much money.

Vinny Ceratto will be sending his Christmas cards out soon.

by skinsymets on Nov 24, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

speaking to the revenue

If snyder were to get rid of cerrato and hire a true GM, then the boycott will be over, right? In an uncapped year, lets see he cuts Portis and cuts ARE and gets rid of a few other big contracts. I will be more inclined t buy jerseys and buy beer at the stadium as long as things are being done right. So I don’t think snyder has to worry about making up the money he loses to Portis.

by monk81 on Nov 24, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ceratto may be gone

but it’s wishful thinking that their going to dump or pay off a player that amount of money to not play for them anymore, and then watch them go play elsewhere and possibly do well. These guys are investments and Dan will get the most out of his investments regardless of what’s at stake. Even with a possible acceleration it will be a huge LOSS on Dan’s books. Fans always make the mistake that they come first. Deception is the name of the game. Like every new year, fans will pour their money into what looks like a playoff roster full of hope. Dig in, these players are here for the duration of their contracts.

by skinsymets on Nov 24, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just Don't Forget Yoder!!

He’s better than both Cooley and Davis will ever be in the run/pass blocking and he catches and he doesn’t fumble. I say 3 TE set with Cooley in the slot. It would be Salivation Nation!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No wonder our run defense has looked soft
the defense has to account for in their blocking.

I also agree with

We should run two TE sets next year with Fred Davis and Chris Cooley.
and
keep santana so we can put him in the slot

The two tight end sets would be awesome with a Joe Gibbs-ian power running game. And the future of the Redskin’s receiving corps was on display at the start of the Broncos game, with Kelly and Thomas out wide and 89 in the slot. Although it would be awesome to see Mitchell and Kelly split wide and Thomas in the slot (given his ability to scrap for YAC and fend off linebackers like hes a Ninja Turtle in a crowd of Foot clan), but that might just be an embarassment of riches.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+4

Awesome

given his ability to scrap for YAC and fend off linebackers like hes a Ninja Turtle in a crowd of Foot clan)

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't trade 'Tana

No way. Put him in the slot, tell ARE to go take a hike. An uncapped year is a great time to cut him, take the hit and keep moving. I’m torn on Blatche. I’d love to see blitzes and sacks and all those fun things. But we are a very good defense that constantly bails this team out. Isn’t smart football what we’re asking for? Sacks are flashy and they are great to cheer for, but these guys spend 40 minutes a game on the field these days and I have to believe that the less blitzing keeps them fresher. I just want the smartest football to be played. I’ll sacrifice the bragging rights in my living room for a win.
If we in games, and cerrato is gone, I’ll go back to buying jerseys. It doesn’t have to an Orakpo jersey. It can be a Levi Jones jerssey too.

by monk81 on Nov 24, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still think

we can get a good draft pick for Santana. Let him play somewhere else for a few years, let him retire and then put him in our Ring of Fame for what he’s done to the cowgirls. Retire ARE or keep as a backup.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

I think Santana is still our best receiver. He needs to be here to be a leader for these young guys He is the fastest most sure-handed receiver and he knows how to run his routes. With the other two guys progressing, ‘Tana could be back up to 100 catches and hitting those long bombs too.
ARE shouldn’t even retire here. He should just be cut. I never felt any connection with him. It was always that he was borrowed or something. Let him go run the wildcat somewhere else.

by monk81 on Nov 24, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's 30, inconsistent, and has a big contract

he has very low trade value

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More like...

he’s 30, INCONSISTENT, and has a big contract.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

reg- he's 30, inconsistent, and has a big contract

thats half our team !!!

receivers arent the issue…they overspent on the first 15 players and now have gaping holes that are filled with back up and situational talent.

although it is interesting to see exactly how much we have spent in draft picks and dollars to get to that receiving corp…even though vinny passed on andre johnson for coles stating at the time there is no way to evaluate top receivers in college!

any ways, most football games are won and lost on less than 5 key plays. this was evident in the final 5min of the dallas game…despite how well we played. until then, the fact is their O line kept our Defense at bay when we knew they were passing and had to move the ball. Then, we could not move the ball when they knew we were passing and under the similar pressures.
 

by les boulez bomber on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hadn't quite

thought of it in those terms. I guess one person screwing up on every other play, rotating that through 11 players, means 11 screw ups in 22 plays. The hallmark of inconsistency.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think if we blitz more

sure we may give up a couple more big plays, but we’ll also create some big plays. More pressure doesn’t only mean more sacks— it also means more opportunities to create some turnovers. This is what keeps this great defense from being an elite, game-changing defense.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yep....exactly

We are better than “bend-don’t-break” but until we are routinely getting turnovers and scoring points, our defense is just solid, not elite.

by Sugar on Nov 24, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is it asking too much

to insist our defenders tackle and catch?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the not catching thing is going to send me to an early grave

2 dropped INTs which would have put Dallas behind the 8 ball, on the flip side, a tipped INT ends the game on our last drive.

arg.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mmh

It doesn’t happen a lot, but the defense chose a helluva time to catch the Rogers

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Whoever

pulled the Rogers trigger needs to be smacked. Don’t they practice interceptions? Or are they so concerned they will not be in the right position that they don’t get that far along with the play mentally?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blitzes

if you can get to the QB, get your defense off the field fast. Smart football is awesome, and our defense is doing a helluva job, but we’re hanging our DBs out to dry for too long because we’re not being aggressive enough to get after the QB.

I mean, even the players are getting a little frustrated by it. I can see if it was last year when we had ZERO pass rush, but this year we should be manhandling people.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't give Blache much credit.

There’s a lot of talent on defense, so it’s not like he’s turning water into wine.

Blache is perfectly mediocre, which means we should let him walk and we should find someone elite.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Someone else

who introduces a brand new system? In addition to a new offensive coach who will bring his own system?

And then next season we struggle again as our offensive players learn the system behind a young/ still untalented offensive line and are forced to play catchup because the games may not necessarily be as close.

Blache’s defense may not win the game for you, but it gives an offense every opportunity to win the game if only it makes a couple plays. We skins fans are way too quick to demand a system change. It doesn’t work.

by Boo. on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bringing in someone else wouldn't be a brand new system

so long as it was still a 4-3 defense. Blache’s system is simply the base 4-3. No frills. Bringing someone else in would just be like adding the bells and whistles to the base model. Right now our defense is like a Rolls Royce with crank windows and no a/c.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't keep a coach simply for the sake of keeping a coach

If Blache isn’t good enough, then we need to move on.

If we stick to a 4-3 scheme, the defensive transition will be fine.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only bright spot is..

Dallas sucks. I mean they are just sub par, It is fantastic! There is zero chance they win a playoff game this year!

by brettpedigo on Nov 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

They could be 10-0

and still wouldn’t win a playoff game.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for

brilliantly restating the obvious and totally irrelevant.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem anytime.

The deadskins are what is totally irrelevant : )

How bout dem Frogs!!!!

by DIRE WOLF on Nov 25, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing I really look forward to

the remainder of the season is the Yule Tide beatings Dallas gets every December. They should be psychotic chump change by the 27th playing us in a meaningless game (or better having to beat us to get into the playoffs) where we go off on them again.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man...

I can totally see them needing to beat us to make the playoffs. And if they keep it as the night game (we could get flexed to a 1 pm start) it would be all kinds of drama. How satisfying would that be to keep those chumps out of the playoffs?

by Sugar on Nov 24, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank

Vinny and Snyder for our newfound ability to relish lowered expectations.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ughh

thanks for reminding me ScottE

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lowered expectations or not

beating Dallas in December will be sweet. If it ruins their season— hell, I’ll take that any day. I hope we ruin Dallas’ and Philly’s seasons.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Recommend parade today
I hope we ruin Dallas’ and Philly’s seasons.

Just throw in some Giants and it will be satisfying
Along with Denver’s collapse
Chicago’s Turnover demise
And the hope of Vinny being fired….The year will be a good one!

by dr WNC on Nov 24, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

while seeing Chicago crash and burn at the hands of Cutler

is satisfying, it serves to piss me off more that we were actually seriously considering bringing him here.

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But give credit,

He’s not here because a deal could not be worked out.
Be it Denver’s stupidity or the Redskins being smart and not selling the farm to get him.
In the past If Danny wanted somebody, Danny got him…at least that appears to be changing some…

by dr WNC on Nov 24, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pssh

I vote for Denver’s stupidity Doc

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you mean

Chicago’s stupidity? Or am I not following this thread very well.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my bad

Chicago’s stupidity

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

which will be Danny's stupidity

if the braintrust decides to draft a QB in the first round

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hate to say this

but KevinE is putting out a post saying exactly that. Snyder has been scouting McCoy and Clausen.

Yes, I said “scouting.” Would be too funny if weren’t to make me cry.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

jebus

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even jebus

can’t help us if Danny takes over scouting duties.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Snyder wanted to sell the farm

2 firsts and JC, plus who knows what else?

Until proven otherwise, Snyderrato hasn’t changed their big-name, draft-pick-burning ways.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 24, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey

maybe he would have been more successful here, I mean look at our recent history of developing top-tier quarterback talent. He could have been the next Gus Frerotte!

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

this is my Hogs Haven Laugh of the Day

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by Rekka on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is
He could have been the next Gus Frerotte!

so wrong…LOL

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 24, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I almost said the Giants

but seeing as one team has to win the NFC East and go to the playoffs, I don’t see how we can ruin all three teams. Unless maybe we ruin their season by beating them up so badly on December 21st that they limp into the playoffs and get dismantled by their 1st round opponent.

by CarverM on Nov 24, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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