Redskins Defeat Themselves; Cowboys Win By Default
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 8:30 AM EST
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PrintWell, any chances of Zorn keeping his job just went out the window. Ever since play-calling was stripped, Zorn's only job is managing the game, and he failed miserably on Sunday. But first, let's start with the field goal attempt to end the half were Zorn decided to kick the FG from the Dallas 20 with 0:15 seconds left. Most people are livid Zorn didn't take a shot at the end zone, but I actually was OK with it.
Let's be realistic. With this offensive line, what are the chances Campbell would have enough time to let the WRs get to the end zone to make a throw? What in our WR staff would make you think they could get open? Skins were on the road. It's a chip shot. Cowboys get booed miserably going into half down 6-0.
Sellers: If you go for the end zone and it get's picked, then everyone complains, "Why didn't you kick the FG? Suisham is a perfect 100%."
Going back to Zorn's mismanagement. With one timeout already burned in the 2nd half, with 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter, Zorn calls timeout due to the play clock running down. How in the hell is a 5-yard penalty worth more than 2nd half timeout?? Next play...incomplete pass. It's so maddening and of course the timeout burned the Redskins at the end getting the ball back with only 7seconds versus at least 32 seconds.
Zorn in the post game: "I screwed us out of that timeout. It's on me....I really don't know how it happened, because I felt like we got the play in, I felt like we were out of the huddle, and we were down to :01 [on the clock] before we knew it. Absolutely have no idea how that happened. Because we were moving in and out of the huddle pretty well then. "
That quote really reminds me of Spurrier. Seriously, coach? Game management is your ONLY responsibility and these mistakes are noticeable weekly. It's costing the Redskins games. How is Zorn not keeping an eye on the clock at all times? He doesn't have to call plays!
It's obvious the defense has had enough being the only side that carries their weight. Fletcher and Jerry Gray both threw the defense under the bus in post-game interviews...
Kelli Johnson: What would you have done different in that final drive where you gave up the TD?
Jerry Gray: Intercepted the ball earlier in the game...we held them to 7 points. When you only have two field goals that's going to hurt you in the long run.
Greg Blache isn't the only one facing some criticism. 106.7 reported from the locker room:
"Defensive player post-game was frustrated they did not blitz more. Said they had it in gameplan to do more. Defensive player told me about not blitzing that Greg Blache does what he is comfy with and that's rush 4 & cover."
After seeing what Green Bay did Romo with blitzes, and the fact Romo said he was playing through "burning" pain from being kneed in the back, it's very frustrating that Blache made things easier for Romo, one of the best pocket passers in the league. I really can't blame the players. I can't think of one Redskin that did not give it their all yesterday, except for Suisham who clearly lost focus doing that 6 minute referee timeout.
There are a lot of awards to go around:
- Rock Cartwright...140 all purpose yards.
- Levi Jones...did you hear DeMarcus Ware's name called at all? Kept Jason's blind-side safe.
- Devin Thomas...he seems to get it now
- Joe Bugel...seriously. He is working miracles.
- Campbell...13-13 on third down passes.
Always critical Lavar on the loss:
@LaVarArrington sure they had missed opportunities but they should have won that game first time in a long while i was proud to be a former skins player
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I'm with you on the field goal
Honestly I think it’s fair to say that in our current situation it’s simply unrealistic to expect our offense to be able to score touchdowns. Until it is the last minutes of a game and we need 7 or unless there is a unique situation (our O is really on top of things, as if we’ll ever have to consider that this season) we should always take the points where possible.
There’s no way I’m going to fault our D in this game. But how sweet would it have been if either Fletcher or Macintosh had caught those Romo throws that hit them right in the hands? Like I said, you cannot blame the D for this one but I still can’t help but feel if either interception is made that we win the game.
A lot of people on here might criticize me for this, but I think that if there’s anyone who has earned respect on this team it’s Jason Campbell. There are a lot of teams that have more talented guys behind center but I don’t think you can name me anyone who is tougher and has more heart. I just hope that gets remembered in the off season. Zorn will certainly be gone and that will probably be the right move. However, if Vinny doesn’t go with him it will be all in vain.
With his prior mistakes....
He is damn if you do, damn if you don’t. We TRUELY need a real kicker. I miss Chip.
headache
The post is right on the money. Watching the team blow it gives me a headache, it’s almost like being stuck in math class solving a word problem with the northbound train (VC) and the southbound train (Zorn). You know it’s going to be a wreck but you have to watch it play out.
So how is Smith’s offensive changes working out? 6 points, hold me back, I can’t take the excitement.
it could have been 12!
Here comes the superbowl!!!!
Am I numb?
I feel like this should hurt a lot more than it does, but I really feel nothing but dread having to listen to the Cowboys “fans” at my office today, although they’ve been quiet so far.
Has indifference set in for anyone else?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
yes, right around the loss to the Lions
Has indifference set in for anyone else?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
5 Points
1. This team is playing its best football as a an all-around team while the “stars” are out with injuries.
2. I could stomach the Romo TD drive a bit more if we at least came after him with blitzs on that drive. We might have actually shut out Dallas if we had! Blache that’s on you.
3. Suisham choked against the team that cut him a few years back. You had your chance Suisham.
4. Levi Jones!
5. Heyer had the key block to spring Rock on the 38 yard scamper. Heyer constantly gets a bad rap by the media and rarely gets credit when credit is due.
to be fair to us haters, this is not a common occurrence
when credit is due.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Really?
The Redskins had 4, and at least one of those was on Fred Davis, so honestly how many did Stefon have?
more than zero.
at least 2 I think
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Ha
Does it really take NASA to calculate 1 + 1. LOL. Monk81, you are truly a Heyer Hater.
Its not that I'm a Heyer Hater
I am just a down in the dumps Redskins fan. 1 false start seems like 10 anymore. I actually like Heyer as I am a Terp also.
Heyer
Is a much better run blocking tackle than he is a pass blocker. He’s better built for a run heavy offense than the west coast offense. He is a talented RT though.
Strongly disagree
he’s been terrible this year.
He is a talented RT though.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I guess we are watching different games
Heyer makes a lot happen in the run game. He often has two men to block on the right side, and in many cases has had to lend help to the RG who has been struggling much more than Heyer if you watch game film. Heyer takes the heat for it though.
im tempted to agree with you
because there has to be a reason the skins are always running to the right. heyer must be doing SOMETHING right in the run game. maybe im biased because he’s a TERP!
I curious what you saw that was "working"
Besides the one run where Heyer blocked his guy well, Cartright may have well just run into a brick wall 20 times yesterday.
If you are REALLY curious
I’ll go back through the game on my DVR and give you a play by play statistical breakdown on Heyer.
Next Game
I’ll go through play-by-play on the DVR and give you the entire breakdown on Heyer’s play. Unfortunately I don’t think Vinny does this kind of thing.
Its monday
I wouldn’t put that much effort into this moron’s (me) comments. If you want to, great. But I’ll still have the opinion that heyer is not a starting lineman in nfl.
Heyer
he’s like JC in that he’ll do something to let you see his potential, and then do something so stupid you’re yelling at him from your couch.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
do you watch film?
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I watch replay the plays
To Heyer’s side of the ball consistently because he gets so much criticism. I literally replay every play to see how Heyer performed on each play. I’m not saying he hasn’t had some bad plays because he has, but if you watch closely you’ll see the RG fails much more often than Heyer, and Heyer is stuck trying to cover for the RG.
I do similar things
and on the balance of the season, Heyer hasn’t looked like a starting NFL OL
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I do the same
Especially when I go to the home games. But, I just don’t see where Heyer has made any improvement this season. Last year, his pass protection was his strong point. Now, that’s gotten worse and his run blocking is still sub-par.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
Agree he is a better run blocker
But his pass blocking is below average. He stands guys up very well but his lateral movement with it is poor, the main trait of a tackle. That is the difference between tackle and guard. However at guard you must be stronger than Heyer currently is. Maybe this is the reason he went undrafted and Vinny is the reason we had to settle for him. I think he’s developed into a capable 2nd teamer. Don’t think he’ll ever be more than that. Don’t be fooled, he’s a starter because Vinny can’t put a team together worth shit.
Any team can take a decent looking undrafted free agent and keep him at a starting position for a few years and at some point he will start to look " NOT BAD ".
Back Off, Suisham Everyone
If it wasn’t for Suisham we wouldn’t have won 2 out of the 3 games. His kicking won those games.
completely agree
this game was on the offense, not Suisham
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Campbell Blew it
I know it was only the last drive. But that is where the pressure mounted. He need to come through for us and he blew it with that deflected pass and interception. That was a terrible pas that he threw right into the arms of the defender. I know that he is trying to force things and make something happen but we only needed a field goal. We had plenty of time and he could’ve easily tucked it and got 5 yards on that play. Terrible mistake. aside from that , I will give him credit for his third down proficiency. Remember though, some of those were 3 yards passes on a 3rd and 10.
Typical JC hater ...
How can you blame JC 17 when he made alot of great plays and throws to keep us in the game. If anything it was the linemans fault that was blocking that was responsible for the interception.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 23, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I guess the linemen should have pulled him to the ground
since the pass hit the guy in the shoulder pads. I didn’t take anything away from JC for the rest of the game. He played pretty well. But that throw sucked. There’s no two ways about it. Unfortunately, he plays a position where mistakes are magnified and that drive could have gotten us in field goal range. For the first time this season, we started a drive and I was hopeful that we were going to get into field goal range. And even with the 2 other misses, there was no way Suisham was going to miss another one. So the throw that Campbell made was a terrible decision and then a terrible throw. Very simple
nope
its the o-line’s fault for not maintaining contact with their d-linemen until the ball is out of jasons hands. a d-lineman cant out his hands up to bat balls if the o-line is keeping him busy. that says somethign when a dlineman can focus on the qb rather than getting past the tackle or guard infront of him. sad.
Except
it barely hit the guys hands. It was down at his shoulder pads and the guy was already right in front of JC. Sure, the lineman should have blocked but we were past that. At that point, JC should’ve eaten it and gained what he could have. There was no reason to make that throw. To be clear, I am only pointing out that it was an ill-advised throw. I’m not suggesting that everything else was fine. But the ball was in JC’s hands and he is responsible for making that play. He screwed up. No two ways about it.
Well, there was at least one play where Ware went right by him
but by the grace of JC, he avoided the sack and converted a 3-and-13 or something like that
- Levi Jones…did you hear DeMarcus Ware’s name called at all? Kept Jason’s blind-side safe.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Potential Sack
I didn’t get to see it clearly, but on one play I was sure JC was going to take a sack but he spinned out of it, moved up and completed the throw. Did somebody miss a block? Did they send a blitz?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
that was the play.
Ware went right by Levi, almost untouched
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
if we are going to play orakpo as a lb
why dont we blitz with him on the edge? i really dont understand why blache is so much against the blitz. if you give a qb time he will burn you. the nfl is changing rules to favor wr over cb so there isnt much a db can do in coverage. you have to force the qb to make bad throws.
Because Blache is a fool
that doesn’t realize that he has two monsters on the side, and the chances of someone stopping Orakpo coming from LB and Carter coming from DE is pretty much not going to happen often.
But once again, WE know this but Old Man Blache is too set in his ways to do something that makes sense.
And on a side note, the RAIDERS won yesterday….awesome.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
b/c Blache is old and conservative
He’s not the worst DC in the league, but it’s time for us to move on
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
It is true
that Ware got by Levi initially but he also followed up to block Ware before Jason threw the completion. So he did make it possible for Jason to get the pass off. Ware probably should have been called for encroachment a few times in that game. He did get Heyer to false start as well.
by Jefferson1935 on Nov 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
i disagree about zorn
i really think zorn is taking the rap for the sherm—>sherm—>jason chain. they had clearly called a pass play on that second burned time out. the problem was most likely a miscommunication somewhere and zorn was aware enough to call the time out before taking the delay of game.
zorn has nothing to do with gameplan and playcalling. so that being said how could he screw up the time? the time management is with play callers. zorn isnt even on the same line as jason and sherm as far as i know so what was he supposed to do? ring a bell when theres 10 seconds left? delay of game penalties lie on playcallers.
Zorn
My point was Zorn should have let the delay of game happened. The timeout is worth WAY more than the 5 yards and I said that in the game thread. It’s nit like they he 5 yards would knock them out of FG range.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yep
yea thats my general thought on delay of game penalties. its only 5 yds and you keep the down. why not just take it because we ALL knew dallas wasnt going to get shut out and we would need those later in the game. unless the delay of game will really hurt you(ie. knocking you out of field goal range) then let it happen.
JC also called timeout twice
once no 2ng and 15 and once on 3rd and 17 and I was thinking – why? Both times they failed to convert. Not worth the timeout; go with the play call or audible, but don’t just go stupid.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
If only Campbell was allowed to audible
Another problem with this setup.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
your right
He is not able to audible that is why we waste time outs. This is a Zorn control thing.
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 23, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
jesus i hate zorn for that
a qb should be a field general. let the man call audibles. DID ANY OF YOU SEE the play when one of the cowboys lb announced we were running a screen? the announcers on tv heard it. i heard it. jason heard it. why cant jason immediately audible into slants?? thats how good qbs win. jason is shackled
I don't know about JC being "shackled"
But this is certainly true:
a qb should be a field general.That’s something we haven’t had for over 20 years.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
Remember the video
of Zorn and Jason all mic’d up? Remember Zorn saying, “TMI,TIMI…too much information” after turning off the helmet mic? Sorry LETJASONPASS – but that may be one of the reasons here. Just a thought…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Late FGA and field position
Going for that long FGA attempt to make it a two score game was perhaps the call of the game. Get it right and you are smiling – get it wrong and it rebounds on you.
I was following the game online and when I saw the 4th down situation my instant reaction was punt – you had stymied the Boys all day and making them drive 90 odd yards was the % call – instead a missed FG gave them a boost and a short field to play with.
At least your team is playing with heart and not givng up.
by G Fan in England on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions
Tough call
But I agree with you. I think Sam Huff said punt the ball and make them go the distance.
Play to win
Kicking that FG gives you a 2 score lead and wins the game…you have to kick the ball there.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
50 yard FG
Is a dangerous play because you give up so much field position for a 50/50 kick. Our probability of going for it and making it on 4th down in that situation was probably more probable than making the 50 yard FG. But it’s close enough statistically that it really could go either way.
If he makes it
you are a genius. If not, the goat.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I agree
on playing for the win – but the odds were not in your favour and the boost given by the miss was enough for the Boys to score.
Just in the Giants Chargers game the Giants should have gone for it on 4th down rather than kick the FG because of the field position it put the Chargers in if it failed.
As I said he makes it you win and the call is forgotten.
by G Fan in England on Nov 23, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Just remember
Suish has a good leg and was 100% going into the game. I thought he’d make both of them.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Perhaps
We should have put Hunter Smith in the game and given him the option to run/pass/punt the football. It was 4th and short right?
I think that trick has been exhausted to all hell
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
if she still works
then you go back to the old tricks until they don’t
SpotieOtieDopalicious
He can always punt if the play isn't there
No harm in that.
Just have to make sure
you send the proper number of men down field.
I disagree
I jsut think that other teams would think “There is no way these guyshave the balls to do that two weeks in a row”
or even run a different Fake Punt and run or something, but yeah I think we could have gotten away with it
Pommylee
We have to feel good
that we can beat this team on December 27th. And that will be a glorious day, my brothers. I know it hurts to lose a game that we had every opportunity to win, but lets be realistic about this. Our offensive line is missing 40% of our original starters. We have a guy that we signed off of the street mid-season playing the most important position on the line for us. Our RG broke his leg early in the game and an undrafted CENTER came in and filled the spot. Our back-up RB went down early in the game and our 10th string RB and another guy off of the street came in and played well.
Somehow our defense managed to let the Cowboys run at will but didn’t surrender a point until the final drive, even without arguably our best defender playing this game (Albert).
Who would have thought after you heard Haynesworth was out that we would pitch a shutout after 3 1/2 quarters? Who would have thought that we could do that even if Al did play? Who would have thought that one more field goal throughout the course of this game would have guaranteed a win for us?
Well played guys. Your coaches fucked you today.
did you get that from somewhere else?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
the wording had me confused
Well played guys. Your coaches fucked you today.
Sorry, my mind is still a little gone.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Yeah, I meant that to be
kind of my “words to the team.”
I kind of got carried away in the middle of the whole thing and forgot who I was actually talking to— a site of Monday Morning armchair quarterbacks and not actually the team that went out and put up one hell of an effort.
I disagree
We don’t have to feel good, because the offense is atrocious, and really shows no potential to be any better than it is now. We may have been down to our 3rd and 4th string backs, but I honestly think that Portis is no longer capable of being any more effective than they were yesterday. The team played as well as it possibly could, and frankly they still sucked – this is nothing to feel good about.
Not to mention we lost to our rival on the errant foot of a kicker. Never gonna feel good about that.
Upgraded Offensive line = WIN
Give Campbell a better offensive line and we would have blown them out !!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 23, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
yesterday he showed
how good he is. jason is a beast qb and is probably similar to romo in playstyle. i really hope jc does well when he leaves this team. whatever team he goes to will have a franchise qb for years to come. we will let him go soon and it will be a huge mistake. i dont know ANY other qbs that get punished as much as him and keep giving more.
he is a bigger man than me. i wouldnt put up with it. i would just throw checkdowns to keep my brains from turning to mush.
Unfortunatly
JC is the equivalent of a battered wife who will never be able to date again. I think he could be good enough, but he may suffer the same fate as Ramsey (skill level obviously not the same) and just be scared the rest of his career. Its a shame because I don’t think we ever saw what kind of QB JC could be week in and week out.
thats definitely a possibility
i can see him being shell-shocked from all the beatings. thats why he doesnt find open recievers anymore. remember when we used to complain he would hold the ball too long? he was trying to find someone open. now he dumps it off almost immediately to the even slightly open recievers. i saw a couple balls where the recievers werent open but he threw anyway just to get the ball outa his hands.
i hope he can rebound from that. the redskins are draft pick killers. have any of you ever looked at the past 10 years of drafting by the skins? we have taken like 3 or 4 qbs and umpteen recievers. none have turned into anything. sad. sad.
I don't disagee with this
JC would be a serviceable QB if he wasn’t on his back every play. He wouldn’t be elite but he would be exactly what we need. Low turnovers, high percentage passing is what would drive the offense if he had time. I still watch Favre and am very jealous at the amount of time he is given. Its amazing what that line does for him.
Then come back and talk to me when you have something to feel good about
With all of the obvious that is going wrong, I see no need for 50 people to sit around on this site and circle-jerk with one another over how great they are at pointing out what went wrong. I realize our team is in a bad spot right now, but I think that they still managed to exceed expectations yesterday—provided you had realistic expectations.
Circle jerk??
Realistic expectations?? Were our expectations not to make the playoffs this year? Now how exactly are we exceeding expectations? Ok, well come back and talk to me when we are actually meeting and exceeding those expectations. I see no need for some jerk off to sit around on this site and tell me to be happy about that game. I’m glad you accept mediocrity.
By the way – you can go fuck yourself with your demeaning tone.
Agree/trying to keep this in perspective
but it just pisses me off that we were playing with one hand tied behind our back – between coaching and injuries, we beat the tar (trying to be nice here) out of those guys, and we lose.
I mean, I saw at least to a small degree everything I could have hoped for:
DThomas is arriving
Despite injuries backups played way better than you could expect
D-backs and all were hitting hard
Lydell and Rock just cemented my thoughts that CP is done
3rd down conversions at a high rate
JC looking downfield at times
Yet, no points! And the game cementing turnover – the mark of our offense this year. Not sure if I’m numb or dead exhausted. I have to believe if they played like they played today all year, we would be at .500; but to lose to the girls after outplaying them all day just sucks.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm seeing good things out of MK too
another offseason to get his ish together, and those 3 will be doing some damage.
Book it
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Definitely.
I also liked seeing Landry live up to the potential that we always talk about him having. Good to see him respond after stinking it up the last couple weeks.
Yes
a pleasant surprise all the way around with the young players. This all goes back to training camp and not having a real competition for starters. We may have been able to have this level of effort game one/two on instead of the lame Dr. Phil “finding our identity.” Screw the gay psychiatry – just go out and hit someone!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
At this point
I’d take them hitting anyone everywhere as I’ve taken way too many in the nut-sack this year. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I rec’d it for each of my nads. They, like ScottE’s, have taken a beating this year.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I don't have a problem with either FG call
Suisham had been PERFECT all season (12/12 going into this game). But, I guess when it matters the most, Suisham is going to choke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
yea i agreed with both field goals
i would have bashed zorn for going for it with 15 seconds to go and no timeouts on 3rd down. second down maybe. but 3rd? that means a sack ends the quarter because jc cant spike the ball. definitely kick the field goal.
Dallas Right Tackle
I am amazed that Dallas was starting a 3rd year guy who had never played a down before and we did absolutely nothing to tale advantage. NO blitzes no switching daniels with carter or anything. Also Philip Daniles offers no value as a pass rusher and I am unsure of how much value he has as a run only guy
daniels is a space holder
from us letting jason taylor go. orakpo is clearly a better de but we dont have anyone at lb so we have to do what we gotta do. if we had kept jason taylor we coulda put orakpo at lde and put taylor at lb and had a MEAN passrush. blache is crazy. he plays a style of defense that isnt particularly scary and put ALOT of stress on our secondary. 4 rushers and 7 men in coverage??? thats why we were run on yesterday. no passrush from anyone aside d0line. its admirable that our d-line even gets sacks. 4 dline against 5 olinement and have to catch a snake of a qb.
when we had greg williams we had a MEAN passrush. our lbs were getting 10 sacks a piece. passrush beats the pass. not coverage.
Time for a laugh...
I just posted my interview with “Funny Danny”, the youtube comedian, Danny Rouhier as a FanPost. Check it out….
sick to my stomach
i can’t stand tony romo – and he had 2 “scramble, let me run for my life” and just throw it like it’s backyard football…all luck – but it is what it is, the won -
Things I am excited about:
1. Levi Jones (I posted on here before, we should’ve signed him when he was released in May)
2. Impressed with Rock, but they do need to give the KR duties over to Devin Thomas.
3. Impressed with Devin Thomas – (the light has gone off)
4. I wish we would’ve traded C. Rogers before the deadline…he doesn’t even want to be here
5. I was impressed with Laron Landry.. 0 missed tackles.. and you saw Roy Williams and Miles Austin being babies, bitching and whining, after they got hit from LaRon.
-—- WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE -—-
1. Sign Anthony Alridge – CP is out vs philly, and Betts will probably be out, I have been very impressed with Ganther though.
2. Keep the rotation in at PR.
3. More Anthony Montgomery – reminds me of a young Haynesworth.
I think the skins are doing very well considering everyone who is out now.
Portis – Samuels – R. Thomas – Cooley – Horton -
and more recently along with the nagging injuries of:
Betts – M. Williams – H. Smith – Rinehart – Heyer – Haynesworth
That’s pretty much a starting offensive unit right there that’s not on the field.
F those cowboys…. can’t wait til they get smacked around the next few weeks :)
Nagging injuries...
You must be “old school” as Rinehardt has a broken leg, if I"m not mistaken.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Offense vs Defense
Blache plays a vanilla Defense, which is frustrating in that it does not always get the job done when it is critical to be done but overall you can’t fault the defense any this year.
The defense held Dallas to 7 points.
The offense attempted to score 12 points and got 6 points…Why? Play calling, QB Play, offensive line, coaching, or all the above. I tend to think it’s all the above.
Only one team other than the Redskins failed to score double digits against the Cowboys, that was Carolina who gave the ball away three times…KC, TB, GB and Seatle all scored 17 points or greater against the Cowgirls defense.
OL seems like the core issue
We are not scoring b/c we are not able to throw the ball down field. This is most likely caused by poor pass protection. We are stuck with a short passing game that allows the D to play near the line to shutdown both the run and passing game. It takes 10+ plays to put together a scoring drive this way….very difficult to do 3-4 times a game. JC was 13-13 on third down, but we were only 7-15 in converting on third down? That seems like the core issue to me (not getting the ball down field). Also, we have not gotten a pass interference call yet this year (I think), which shows that we are not attempting the mid to long range passes.
Dallas also declined a 5 yard illegal shift/formation call on us after an incomplete pass to put us in a 3rd and ten or so. I took this as them being pretty sure we can’t convert on third and long. Even the announcers doing the game, Aikman/Buck, seemed surprised that they declined it….typically you take the penalty, but the odds of the Skins converting are pretty low given that we would need the YAC to convert and they would be defending against it.
looking forward--its all we can do at this point
im actually pretty hopeful about next year(as every year). our draft picks are servicable in thomas and davis. so when cooley comes back we wont miss a beat. levi jones seems to be a decent pickup and im sure he will get a big(absurd) contract at the end of this season to stay. i wish they would let marko mitchell in so we can evaluate his abilities. we(danny) now realizes(duh) that we can use more than cp to run the ball. we will have a multi-faceted offese hopefully. rock can catch and is slick, betts can power forward. portis can dance like a balerina.
if we just draft 2 o-linemen(maybe a rg and rt or a center) i think it will be enough to get us to the playoffs next year. i say two o-line draft picks, an olb, a young rb with potential in the later rounds. i just hope we dont make any stupid decisions like letting rogers and/or jason go.
Levi Jones is a stopgap
Draft 1st Round LT next year, center SHOULD be ok. Mix Free agency and draft for RT for an open competition. no undrafted free agents
SpotieOtieDopalicious
yea but...
do you really think they arent going to try get the most outa levi? i dont see them really trying to replace him. quite frankly if the line plays the way its been playing it will be just excuse enough to not pick anyone else up. but i would agree that levi is decent at best. he would be a great backup. our whole line playes good enough to be GREAT backups. but mediocre-bad starters.
Do I think they're going to?
Hell no! ESPECIALLY if Vinny’s still here next year (praying he’s not). They’ll probably say something stupid like “We didn’t feel we needed to waste a draft pick on a LT when we have an especially good player in Levi,” then proceed to give him a stupid contract that ropes us into him for the next decade.
Levi is servicable, and would be a great backup like you said. We should be satisfied with that, and look to get a starter in the draft. But will that happen….
SpotieOtieDopalicious
You have fallen for
the Snyderotto one player away trap mentality. Just one or two players and we are SUPER BOWL bound… NOT. Try to think of how we got to this position in the season. Yes, statistically our D looks pretty good; our O not so much, although some of their stats are good. Why did it take until the second half of the Falcons game for our team to show up and play with heart?!! Those are invariably related to FO issues and coaching issues, which may or may not be addressed.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Those are invariably related to FO issues and coaching issues, which may or may not be addressed.
I hope they get addressed, because I’ve been fooled too many times to believe going into this year that with the same people it’s going to change, luck may occur but overall the team will not progress without changes in the FO and coaching.
Zorn presser is going on right now
DeAngelo Hall has a sprained knee and is likely out against the Saints.
Ah, my bad...
He is likely to miss only the Eagles game
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
another shot to my nads
SpotieOtieDopalicious
Hall impressed me yesterday
Made a way bigger effort to tackle well yesterday. I guess it was Smoot’s turn to reach out and whiff on running backs
Nice to know that
our $40 million dollar man will show up for SOME games….I would think with the proper motivation and attitude, even on your worst day in coverage, you would still possess the desire and ability to hit and tackle someone.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Coach-Decisions
Zorn-Does not game manage, he does nothing and is lost as to what is going on.
The initial decision after the delay of game to kick a FG on 3rd down in my opinion was not a bad decision and made sense.
15 min later, the ball is back on the 21, no delay of game…the team’s been given a realistic chance to score. Get the FG unit off the field and take a shot. Game time decisions, not getting caught up in the momment and maintaining and understanding of the big picture.
Agreed...
Kevin, you forget that this team was 3-6. There isnt much, if anything too lose by taking a shot on a third down with 15 seconds left. There is not much difference between 3-0 and 6-0, especially with a cowboys offense that can score on a defense that often gives up big plays. I think every other team in the NFL takes a shot at least one more play in that situation, up 3-0 at the end of the first half. As Kevin said in this post, play to win the game. Thinking that JC might get sacked or he might get picked is playing afraid to lose.
It's also an acknowledgement that we're just not well coached enough to run a play safely
Thinking that JC might get sacked or he might get picked is playing afraid to lose.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Both valid points...
But I base all my decisions on percentages. What is the percentage the Redskins get 6 points on a shot at the endzone? At best 3-100…..and 35-100 that he gets sacked or pickled. Suisham who was 100%….his odds were at worst 90% to make that.
I saw one red zone play where the Redskins WRs ran straight routes to the back of the end zone and never turned. How is that a play a QB can work with? The CBs ran side by sid and Campbell got creamed. As smutsboy1 said, with this play-calling, FG was the best call in getting the most points for the game.
by Kevin Ewoldt on Nov 25, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
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