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Redskins' Coach Watch: Mike Shanahan in D.C. Likely Means Cerrato Would Stay

In the previous Redskins Coach watch posts, we discovered that Mike Holmgren would not be a good fit in D.C., and Russ Grimm is worth at least a hard look

Dan Snyder has quite the conundrum now doesn't he? Zorn is building some momentum, and at the same time two premier coaches, Shanahan and Cowher, have publicly rejected their desire to be the ringleader of this circus. We all know Snyder is the ultimate salesman using his wallet to do the talking. As we learned with Joe Gibbs return, there's nothing Snyder can't do in regards to acquiring personnel. 

What's disconcerning is that Shanahan and Vinny Cerrato are still really close. Vinny was the Director of College Scouting in San Francisco during Shanahan's three-year stint (1992 to 1994) as the 49ers' offensive coordinator. They still keep in touch with Shanahan recommending RB Anthony Alridge.  So, if Shanahan does come aboard, he more likely than not would be OK with Vinny retaining his title and the two working together. EESH!!!

I spoke in length with former Denver Bronco, Karl Mecklenburg, about Shanahan:

Hogs Haven: What are your thoughts on Mike Shanahan as the next coach in D.C.? I know things ended badly in Denver with three straight years of failing to make the playoffs.

Star-divide

Karl: I've known Mike forever. Mike was the Offensive Coordinator with the Broncos for years while I was playing. Mike ran into an issue at the end of his career where he was both the General Manager and the Coach. It was a problem about 3 years ago. They just drafted Jay Cutler and they replaced Plummer with Cutler. Rod Smith, a great leader, got hurt, Al Wilson, the heart & soul of the defense, got hurt, and Keith Burns, Special Teams captain, got hurt. Plummer was a great leader, not necessarily a great player, but everyone loved him in the locker room, gave unbelievable effort, he was all about the team. So, all 4 of these guys all go down at once.

The way I describe a team in my speeches and book is a see-saw or teeter-totter. On one side you have the leaders. They think long-term. They put  team passion and team mission first. On the other side you have the egos. How can I get my touches, my statistics. How can I do as little as possible and keep this job? Where's my money? Then in the middle you got rest of the team that can go either way. And that's usually the biggest group. So, on the see-saw you add or subtract a leader/ego, you tip that teeter-top one way or the other, and the middle group starts sliding that way. So then you have momentum towards success or momentum towards failure.

So what happened to Mike all 4 leaders went down at once. You ever been on a teeter-totter when everyone gets off? BAM! That's what it was like and the egos took over. The middle group went that way, and it was really tough to negate that type of influence. It fell apart after that.

Hogs Haven: He couldn't fix that over 1 or 2 years?

That's a challenge. I'm not sure he knew if it was a problem. They brought in some talented guys. They tried to win in that offense. The defense side of the ball there wasn't great talent brought in. There was a new coordinator brought in every year so whatever talent they had they didn't understand the system. It takes awhile to learn the new language. Offensively, their leader was more concerned about himself then the team it appeared to me. When that happens it's very difficult to win, and I'm talking about Cutler.

Hogs Haven: So if Mike came to D.C. he shouldn't take on both roles?

Karl: That would be tough. He hasn't shown he has good at that. There are very few people that are, and there is nothing wrong with that. Mike is a great coach. Anybody that's had the success he's had is going to be a good coach. The challenge is, is he willing to delegate authority. Is he willing to turn the defense over and live with it. Is he willing to work with the GM and coach the players the other guy brings in. He was successful in the past, but once you've been the King, it's tough going back to being the Prince or Duke. I don't know if he'd be willing to do that. 

I still can't get over Cerrato and Shanahan were close. My first thought was: How many offensive linemen did the 49ers draft in the Cerrato era? Answer: Two over the 3 years. One in the 3rd round and one in the 6th round. Vinny was only the Director of Scouting, so I'll pull the dogs back. 

Mecklenburg makes some solid points though. It's just too much to have a Coach do all the GM work as well. Hopefully this is a lesson that the Skins need to bring in a competent GM that has a vision and set plan. From there, let the moves begin. I pinged the SB Nation Broncos' community regarding Shanahan and they added some insight as well:

I think that Shanahan is still a good coach and is an excellent strategist. He is even a good play caller. He just needs to ease up on the control issues and stick to coaching because he has a bad history with personnel decisions. If his ego can handle having a GM partner, he will do wonders for any team he decides to go to...Rumor has it, that Shanahan is trying to bring [Defensive Coordinator] Bob Slowik with him. Bad Move.

Shanahan's resume certainly passes the grades, but can this many egos co-exist in Ashburn? I don't want to find out until there is one person in full control that is not named Snyder.

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Shanahan / Cerrato

NO! NO! NO! Any situation that would retain Cerrato is a bad one.

by John S51 on Nov 18, 2009 7:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

+Infinity

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+10

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 18, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be cool

If cerrato was re-instated as director of collage scouting…as long as he doesn’t decide who to draft.

by monk81 on Nov 18, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would assign him to the position of

Esoteric Player Development and send him to the Amazon…barefoot…and without a boat… or a credit card. hehe.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"collage scouting"

Is that like flipping through magazines looking for pictures of Justin Timberlake to cut out? If so, I’m all for that!

by ronoD nagrO on Nov 18, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No Shanahan

With or without Vinny, this is a bad idea.

You need to look for a Mike Tomlin type coach. But first….YOU NEED A REAL GM. I know, I know, no one has said that on this site before….

by Hustler of Culture on Nov 18, 2009 9:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We allow

an occasional re-statement of the obvious, just to make sure that what we are collectively experiencing is indeed reality. Your allotment is up, though. :)

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Shanny Pic, Kevin

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I move that this post be renamed

to Mike Shanahan is NOT Our Guy.

by CarverM on Nov 18, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's not the message I got at all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 18, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope there is a high priority on keeping Blatche. Don’t hire a coach who doesn’t want to work with Blatche. Bad idea to throw away the kind of success the defense has had under Blatche. We’re a little spoiled by it.

by hsoup on Nov 18, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hsoup to Nuts

You may find some disagreement here. Most of us seem to favor an attacking D while Blache’s D is the “bend but don’t break” variety. When it works its pretty good. Unfortunately, when it don’t, it go boom! 1st qtr Sunday prime example of “boom.” But they did play an aggressive game that throttled the horsies in the second half.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Gregg Williams' defense

Throw the kitchen sink at ’em!

by CarverM on Nov 18, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Blache's time has run its course

This defense is undisciplined, he’s rather inflexible in his strategies, and given the talent on this defense, his coaching results aren’t amazing by any stretch.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 18, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think we need to make jerry gray our dc

when he was the D.C. in buffalo they were a very stingy D

by Draco on Nov 18, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Gray

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 19, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where were you

when we collectively voted Gruden off the island?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leslie Fraiser

He is Minnesota’s Def. Cord. Rooney Rule in full effect

by Elaw6 on Nov 18, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Will he bring

Jared Allen and friends?

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 18, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes He Will

And Brett Favre and that wonderful offensive line too!

by Elaw6 on Nov 18, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

keep Favre the hell away

thanks.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 18, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mmh

I think it has more to do with the fact that, if he came here he’s getting healthy doses of NFC East defense. 1 or 2 shots and the old man’s hip is done for.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 18, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Behind our line?

The man would have ALL DAY. COME ON!

by CarverM on Nov 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He will still insist on starting

even if he’s using a walker.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 19, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Favre doesn't 'win games'

in fact, over the years he’s lost quite a few with INT-melt-downs.

In the playoffs too.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 19, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose you believe

that the Vikings would be 8-1 with Tavaris Jackson as the starter? Maybe Sage Rosenfels? Or if they had kept GUS FREROTTE around???

by CarverM on Nov 19, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll reserve my judgement

’til towards the end of the season. They were touting him as the greatest when he was in Jersey last year too.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 19, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would still bet

that if we had had the opportunity to put #4 in burgundy and gold after he retired from Green Bay, you all would have been on board—whether or not you will admit to it.

by CarverM on Nov 19, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No I wouldn't have

and it’s only because I don’t like the way he shitted on his old team.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 19, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He wouldn't do squat

with our O-line.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 19, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't believe that.

I don’t want Favre, or his primmadona circus show, on my team.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 19, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GM first Coach second

I personally think that we need to drop Vinny and replace him with a competent GM. Then that GM should make a short list of coaches who he believes would fit what he wants to do with the team. I think if there’s one thing the last decade of Redskins has shown it’s that you can’t randomly mismatch personnel regardless of how good they’ve been elsewhere.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 18, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Easier said that done
I personally think that we need to drop Vinny and replace him with a competent GM.

Any suggestions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 18, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In a heartbeat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 18, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Polian would indeed be great

I also wouldn’t be surprised if there were some channels for finding front office talent out there that we as mere fans are unaware of.

by SkinsOsTerps on Nov 18, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There needs to be a re-evaluation of all coaches records

It has always annoyed me that a coach gets a SB and all of a sudden he is a genius and supposedly coveted by all the other teams. So much of the NFL these days is on the QB i really think coaches should be evaluated on talent v success, not just success only.

For example I am a fan of Tony Dungy and the way he carries himself, he is a class act all the way, BUT you could make the argument that One SB appearance (for a win admittedly) is a poor return on 12 years of Peyton Manning, whereas Gruden taking that Tampa team to a SB or even Lovie Smith getting Chicago to the SB to play Indy is a more significant acheivement.

I just think Shanahan had John Elway and capitilised on that, however since losing a HOF QB there is not much to speak of success wise, well I like Jason but i’m not carving his statue for Canton anytime soon, so we cant offer Shanahan the thing he needs to succeed based on his record.

Strange really when you think about it, the way our team is set up we do resemble that Bears SB team, powerful defence, solid special teams and we have a better QB than Chicago too and commit less turnovers….maybe Lovie Smith would be a good choice if he gets fired at the end of this year…… it’ll never happen and I only thought about it just then cos of a point I was trying to make about QB’s making a coaches reputation, but I think it is worth considering…… interesting

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 18, 2009 5:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

At least he WAS able to capitalize - twice

Unlike other coaches with HOF QBs like Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 18, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair point definitly

and that is probably the correct way to look at it

my concern is we dont have a elway or a Dan marino so shouldnt we be looking for a HC who wins with methods other than a passing attack, to capitalise on our strengths

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 18, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh the insight!!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 19, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just an opinion dude

and as always a poorly researched, incorrect one most likely

:)

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 20, 2009 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, seriously

some really nice thinking there, Pommy.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 20, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ah I see

more proof of the need for a dedicated sarcasm font, can be hard to recognise context at times :)

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 21, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Snyder decides he is going to keep Cerrato

then I would much rather have a PROVEN 2-time SB-winning HC with a .646 winning % (hightest in Denver’s history). At least Shanahan will have the clout/experience to stand up to Snyderrato when it comes to personnel. Say what you will about his defensive acquisitions (Bailey for Portis and a 2nd wasn’t too shabby), but Shanahan has put together some prolific offenses over the years. We could definitely use his talent for putting together good offensive lines and picking 1000-yard RBs: Terrell Davis, Mike Anderson, Olandis Gary, Clinton Portis, Reuben Droughns, Tatum Bell, etc. – especially considering how huge those specific needs will be going into the next offseason/draft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 18, 2009 6:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

another solid point

he does have a history of creating great seasons for RB’s which would suggest he knows how to evaluate line talent and set them up to succeed….. you are starting to win me over to the Shanahan choice Va_Skin

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 18, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just have this feeling we're gonna miss out on everybody

Either none of the proven/successful coaches are going to want to come here AND/OR we’re going to get outbid by Jerah Jones for at least one of them. Then, we’ll end up stuck with another offseason/season of Snyderratorn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 19, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cerrato +super bowl coach doesn't work

It didn’t work with Gibbs!

by KevinE on Nov 19, 2009 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

+1

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Nov 19, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Russ Grim

He’s the one I want

by Enkay on Nov 18, 2009 9:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Greg Manusky.....

maybe as DC….that would be a nice ex-Skin duo!!!

by shvd98z24 on Nov 18, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

skins

COWHER IS THE ANSWER FOR THE SKINS!!!!

by mark s riggins on Nov 19, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes!

Provided we get a new GM who is familiar with his style of football and compatible. I really don’t want to see one of these HC/GM hybrids – it almost never works out and if it does, it means it could have worked out even better.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 19, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

SI today

in a Don Banks article made the point that Homgren is not interested in coming back to the Daily Grind of coaching but instead wants a Bill Parcells style Football Czar type role.

2 questions

1. Does Holmgren keep Zorn if he comes here
2. If he does keep Zorn does that still work out better for us than keeping Vinny and having (insert name fo your preferred game day coach here) as HC

Pommylee

by Pommylee on Nov 19, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much any option that doens't include cerrato is better

but I’d really prefer us to hire a football executive.

Holmgren is an ex-coach, not an executive.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Nov 20, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Holmgren comes

Zorny stays. Could turn into a long term good deal. What I don’t like is that this would cement our team into the West Coast Offense. I would really like to see someone, anyone, come in with the ol’ Smashmouth style and attitude. Not only does it work, but its part of our tradition. I’ll speak for most of the Hogs Haveners and say we want hard hitting and aggressive pounding on both sides of the ball – not bunch of ballerinas.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 20, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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