Redskins vs Broncos: Foreshadowing?

by KevinE on Nov 13, 2009 4:04 PM EST in Analysis Comment 24 comments

The obvious connection between the Redskins and Broncos is the Champ for Portis trade, but as one AP writer noted, Josh McDaniels is in the same past predicament as Coach Zorn last year, rookie coach at 6-2:

Which takes us to Josh McDaniels, this year's new kid on the block who could do no wrong. He has the Denver Broncos at 6-2, but the two losses have come in the last two games. Has the league started to figure him out? Are the Broncos' flaws greater than they appeared at 6-0? Will he meet the same fate as Zorn?

It's hard to say, but I didn't like the Broncos before the season and I don't like them now. Kyle Orton to me is a QB who has peaked, and that is not a good thing. I had a phone call with Karl Mecklenberg yesterday (that post coming early next week), and he said that he thought Josh tried to instill too much game plan last week, which led to some confusion. Hmm. Too much game plan? Must be nice to have that luxury. From what I recall last year, Zorn instilled too LITTLE game plan as to keep it simple for Campbell and the offense. Opposing teams figured that out real quick, which led to the disastrous tanking of 2008.

Some notes coming into this game:

QB JASON CAMPBELL, who passed for a career-high 3,245 yards last year, has 1,677 yards and is on pace for his second consecutive 3,000-yard season. Campbell would join Pro Football Hall of Famer SONNY JURGENSEN (1966-67), JOE THEISMANN (1983-84) and MARK RYPIEN (1991-92) as the only quarterbacks in team history with back-to-back 3,000 yard seasons

RB CLINTON PORTIS has rushed for 494 yards and aims for his fifth 1,000-yard season as a Redskin. Portis is tied with Pro Football Hall of Famer JOHN RIGGINS for the most 1,000-yard rushing seasons in club history with four. It's going to be a tough mark for CP to make this year.

DE ANDRE CARTER (6.5) and rookie LB BRIAN ORAKPO (5.5) are on target to become the first set of Redskins to each post at least 10 sacks in a season since....CAN YOU NAME THE LAST SKINS DUO TO ACCOMPLISH THIS FEAT?

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Charles Mann and Dexter Manley?????

by shvd98z24 on Nov 14, 2009 8:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Incorrect

It happened in the dan snyder era amazingly.

by KevinE on Nov 14, 2009 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

good guess though thats the way i was leaning!!

by hog for life on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Bruce Smith and....

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Nov 14, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Lavar?

I was gonna guess Smith and Lavar Arrington, though Charles Mann and Dexter Manley was my second guess.

by andrewtsks on Nov 14, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Marco Coleman and Bruce Smith

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 14, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Coleman had 12 and Smith had 10 in 2000

by bigrm18 on Nov 14, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was close—Arrington had 11 and Smith had 9 in 2002.

by andrewtsks on Nov 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Zorn, a washed up hack who nobody thought was capable of being a HC

and McDaniels; a fresh, young guru coveted by every team with a vacancy. Great comparison. Look forward to rolling you scrubs.

by ELGee on Nov 14, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Good luck making that playoff run with Kyle Orton...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded

by VA_Skin on Nov 14, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

your right dude he sucks but they could have cutler and HIS five picks!!!!!!

by hog for life on Nov 16, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea

Because Zorn was a hack at 6-2

by KevinE on Nov 14, 2009 5:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that

McDaniels wanted Orton says a whole lot about him. A whole lot more than you realize.

No one’s saying that Zorn is great, and McDaniels is crap. We’re just saying that Zorn was 6-2 and was thought of as possibly being the next great coach is Redskins history, but look at him now.

I could be wrong, but wasn’t Eric Mangini looked upon as a “fresh, young guru coveted by every team with a vacancy” at one point? He was a protege of Bill Belichick just as McDaniels and went on to have a 10-6 record in his first year. He looked like a genius (was actually called Mangenius) and everyone loved him. However, how is he doing now? When McDaniels starts looking like Mangini number 2, and you all get exposed for being the team that you actually are, don’t say we didn’t warn you.

by bigrm18 on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The biggest difference

The most telling difference between these two franchises is the ownership. The Broncos are stable and have a vision. Our ’Skins have a selfish turd who knows nothing about football running our day to day operations. We are destined to be mediocre until The Danny gets out of the way and stops ruining our franchise.

-BOTW
www.BravesOnTheWarpathDC.com

by www.BravesOnTheWarpathDC.com on Nov 14, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

ditto

u are a 4-12 type team a 10-6 type of D but a 3-13 type of o u might win tomm but we have to beat ourseles

okay i have cereal palsy arhrtis and chronic fatiue as well i have a grea life loveing folks some days are better that other days i got a make a wish in 2001 saw my favorive team the broncos was the trip of the lifetime i wish everyone couild gotten to enjoy that with me i know some of u hate the broncos and that ok but i bleed organ and bule

by j-man on Nov 14, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs