Cerrato Owes Campbell an Apology...And I Have Written It
by monk81 on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 PM EST
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PrintWas I the only fan that cringed every time Campbell got hit? There was a ton of cringing being done against the Falcons. I can't believe the ineptitude of this offensive line. It is astounding how the Falcons T'd up on us. I watched, as Mike Williams got beat by the same spin move over and over and over again. I watched as Heyer got pushed backwards most plays. I say most plays, because the other plays, he just held the dude so he didn't get pushed back. If Rabach holds that d-lineman one more time, they will officially be married in the state of Georgia. It's amazing that every play, something stupid happened. I wasn't even looking for the indicator in the score line on the screen when I penalty was being called. I could tell there was a penalty when Campbell was still upright after the play. That was as good an indication as any.
This got me thinking (another reason I'm pissed at Cerrato, thinking on Monday). If I cringe every time Campbell gets hit; if I actually feel bad for Campbell every time he struggles to get up; if I can't stand seeing him spend more time on his back than John Mayer in Ken's bedroom; then how should Cerrato feel? This is the same guy who looked the media in the eyes and said that he still believes he gave Zorn a playoff caliber team. Then answered the follow up question about the offensive line and reiterated that this was a playoff caliber team. Look, its been talked to death. If Cerrato believes that, then he is obviously not very smart in this role. Why is that so hard to understand? Anyway, that's been discussed more than enough.
Cerrato owes Jason Campbell an apology in front of all the media and for the fans to see. I think it should go something like this:
"Jason, I am sorry for ruining you as a quarterback. I know that I gave you a good quarterbacks coach. And I admit that I put a completely inept offensive line in front of you. I know that I told everybody that we did the best we could, but that was a lie. In fact, we took bets in the offseason to see what it would take to piss you off. Quite frankly, nobody had anything past the Sanchez thing. So we held a whole new meeting where I guessed that getting sacked 5 times in one half would do it. You are a fighter out there but I did sandbag one idea. I won't tell you what it is, but you'll appreciate its creativity (rumor has it that Cerrato will actually put an alligator in the backfield of every play). Anyway, I owe you a great apology since I never humanized the effect this would have on you. I can't believe how many times you are getting creamed back there! Even I didn't think it would get this bad. I promise that as I am packing my desk and belongings on the way out there door, I'll offer a piece of advice to the new guy. I'll make sure to drop him a hint that he may want to have a second look at the offensive line if he has time. So I hope that you can find it in your heart to forgive me. I really do feel pretty bad. But I feel even worse that Todd has no desire to come into the game and we don't have a #3. Do you have Jeff George's number?"
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Thank god
we didn’t waste any more time or money with the Sanchez thing.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 12, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
more like thank the jets
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I agree/QB
Our QB this year might as well have had EVERLAST on his chest……No matter who was behind center, he is nothing but a punching bag for opposing Defenses…..David Carr can relate……..
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"
Carr could relate
if he could remember who he is and what hit him.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
While I was watching with friends
We looked at each in horror at the shots he was taking and genuinely felt bad for him. That got me thinking about cerrato’s comments on the radio when he said that he still believed that the team (and offensive line) was playoff caliber. To me, that is inexcusable. How could anyone say that after the pounding Campbell takes every week.
I've had some bad jobs
in my life, but none where I new I was going to literally get the crap kicked out of me when I showed up. If I were JC I’d be tempted to call in sick.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Most welcome
Keep posting, as you tend to have pretty good ideas.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Wow this is amazing !!
I thought I would never see the day when Scott E. realized that JC 17 is not a bad QB. I have been telling you all season it starts with the Offensive Line. Like I told you earlier in one of your JC hater posts give him a decent Offensive Line he will be a top ten QB !!!
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 13, 2009 7:24 AM EST up reply actions
Sure
One decent game out of JC and here we go again . All the Campbell defenders back on their horses.
The guy is a bum. The whole time he has been in Washington our offense has sucked. But you people always have someone else to blame. The coaches, the line, the Easter Bunny, whatever comes into your tiny little brains.
I can’t wait to see him sign somewhere else in the offseason. If we had been starting Todd Collins all year we’d have 5 wins right now.
Surely, it’s the o lines fault when Campbell fumbles snaps or when he tosses picks into double coverage. It’s definetly the o lines fault when he misses wide open receivers 15 yards up the field, right? He’s been missing easy throws his entire career. Count how many throws he makes that are accurate… and hit the receiver in stride. Also count the balls that the receivers don’t have a prayer of catching. It’s not even close to being the same number.
After Dallas makes him look like the schmuck he truly is today, I can’t wait to get back on here and see the excuses you guys make up for his piss poor play today. Surely it will be the line, the receivers not running the right routes, the play calling, the Cowboys defense , whatever.
by williamhudsonlink on Nov 22, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Like I said
No touchdown passes. Threw a pick to lose the game at the end. No real big downfield plays whatsoever from Campbell. Typical JC.
Cerrato, don’t resign this bum.
by williamhudsonlink on Nov 23, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
JC showed a lot of heart
I just can’t see him or Portis finishing the season.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
For their sake
they shouldn’t finish the season. They’ll be useless if they put up with any more of this. Remember when guys like Patrick Ramsey and David Carr were great young quarterbacks who were just embarking on the first phases of their young careers? Remember the lines they played behind? Remember all the sacks? Remember the injuries and the shell-shock, the loss of mobility and the limited opportunities to get into rhythms or develop their strengths? Because I do. And those guys are awful now. Please don’t make Campbell take any more beatings.
The same goes for Portis. He’s got a few years left on that big contract. It’d be good if he could still remember his name by the end of it.
"One-on-one? You can't." -Gilbert Arenas
JC Bandwagon all day!
May be too late for CP
After the double whammy he took last week, he now refers to himself as “Batman.”
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think Portis should be put on IR
He’s only running on 1 good leg anyway. He’s coming back from a concussion, which is always risky. Our OL isn’t getting any better and the season is all but mathematically over. Let Portis heal for a whole season and then bring him back for one final run at age 29. He’s got a lot of miles and he’s taken a beating over the years. Unlike some people on here, I think Portis may still have something left in the tank and could be productive with an OL that can actually run block.
We’ve got Betts and Rock and we can bring back Alridge or maybe Mason (if he’ll even come back). Forget Larry Johnson. He’s a washed up head-case.
Later in the offseason, we can target a RB in the mid-late rounds of the draft and hope to land the next Michael Turner or Brandon Jacobs. Or maybe take a flier on a potential FA RB that wouldn’t require sacrificing draft picks to bring in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
Mason
I really wanted to keep him, I may be in the minority about that. But I thought the kid had good vision when he ran. It did suck that his pass blocking didn’t improve (does anyone remember seeing this in preseason? It seems like all we have to go on is the coach’s word, and that is worth ish nowadays).
Is there a RB worth thinking about in FA next year? (That wouldn’t involve selling the farm?)
SpotieOtieDopalicious
These might be somewhat reasonable (mid-level contract or less)
- Cadillac Williams
- LenDale White
- Darren Sproles
- Leon Washington
- Jerious Norwood
- Chester Taylor
- Ricky Williams
- Willie Parker
Other Notable Free Agents:
Mike Bell, New Orleans Saints
Kenneth Darby, St. Louis Rams
Kevin Faulk, New England Patriots
Jerome Harrison, Cleveland Browns
Le’Ron McClain, Baltimore Ravens – Restricted FA
Adrian Peterson, Chicago Bears
Kolby Smith, Kansas City Chiefs – Restricted FA
DeShawn Wynn, Green Bay Packers – Restricted FA
Tony Richardson, New York Jets – Fullback
Justin Griffith, Seattle Seahawks – Fullback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
Draft a RB in the 4th or 5th
they’re not THAT hard to find
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
anybody care to think about
what round Blount might be coming out of?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
I don't know...
the league is all out for character issues these days. He seems more like a hockey player.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
thats the lesson of the last 5 years
Draft a RB in the 4th or 5th
they’re not THAT hard to find
yeah in RD 1 you may get a Peterson, but nowadays with the back by commitee RB’s are one of the easiest positions to hit on in the later rounds, under one condition
O LINE
but that is a lesson we dont seem to learn (by we I mean Front OFfice, not the learned denizens of Hogs Haven of course)
Pommylee
ooops
that Draft a RB in the 4th or 5th they are not that hard to find thing didny mean to steal your idea Smuts, just reference it
and
pretty sure denizens was the wrong word too, i think!!!
42 degrees in Sydney today, Brain not working (thats about 110 in your old fashioned temp measurements in the US)
Pommylee
A rookie first round QB
book it.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
If Vinny's half as smart as me he won't take a QB
better yet he’ll quit and never show his face around the league again.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
Please stop trying to sabotage next year ..........
When will some of you people get it ? If we draft a QB early we will be in the same postion next year. You could not be a redskin fan asking about drafting a QB before Offensive Lineman. I am curious how many games have you watched this year ? Let me say this again we need OFFENSIVE LINEMEN !!!!!!!!!! WE DO NOT NEED A NEW STARTING QB IF WE BUILD A O LINE AND PROTECT JC 17……
by LETJASONPASS on Nov 13, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rumor has it that JC
is 6’ 4" but he’s not spent enough time on his feet to confirm.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I think the apology should be in video format
It should be Vinny standing behind a Middle school offensive line saying “i’m sorry” then hiking the ball with an all pro defensive line comming after him.
What about the.....
middle school offensive line? Haynesworth might eat one after he steps on the other 4!
by shvd98z24 on Nov 12, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What about
if front of that chimp that ate that lady? She has no hands right now and he didn’t have any hands, he couldn’t pick up the phone and offer our 1st and 2nd round draft pick for Tebow.
“Cutler is so much better than JC!” – Donnio1234 … The 5 interceptions by Cutler today vs. the 49ers when he has both a healthy + good RB, free reign to throw outside of the dink-&-dunk confines of a WCO and a solid offensive line made me so grateful we didn’t sell the farm for him, ditto for Sanchez. The one good thing that we did this season was miraculously not mortgage 2 1st round draft picks and a 3rd round pick for either of them. I do not feel bad for Snyder, Cerrato, or Zorn, but JC gets huge marks for respect and professionalism when he could have easily demanded a trade & had an opportunity w/a franchise that would have respected him much more, & given him at least as much of a chance at starting & winning. He has done as much as humanly possible behind a line older and more eroded than the sphinx’s nose. This post was terrific.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Nov 13, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions
Question
This is Campbell’s contract year – will he be offered/would he accept a new contract?
You should be able to pick up a decent OL player in the draft.
I have picked the Skins to upset the Broncos – am I as blind as Vinny!
by G Fan in England on Nov 13, 2009 6:01 AM EST reply actions
Campbell's Contract
If he was even offered a contract, he should wipe his ass with it and tell Danny to go to hell. I’d rather he stay here with an upgraded O-Line then bring in yet another QB, but I know it’s not gonna happen.
Danny likes shiny new toys, and JC’s been kicked around too much for him to play around with anymore.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
It is not a good fit anymore
We wouldn’t offer him much in guaranteed money and he wouldn’t take anything less a gazillion to stay here. I won’t say there isn’t a price. But there is no way he chooses to come back here.
uncapped
If we are uncapped next year and it looks like it is going to be, then JC is a restricted FA. The Skins can match any offer he gets or get some draft picks from the team that signs him. That could be a good situation for us to be in with him.
That's not exactly how it works
We have to extend a qualifying offer, which another team can then out bid, then we get picks.
But if we don’t extend an offer, no picks. And if no other team out-bids, then we keep JC, which Snyderrato definitely doesn’t want.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
I think we do get a chance to match the offer or take the picks. But I did not mention that we need to make a qualifying offer first.
The tender amounts are so low from what I can tell that Snyder will have to make a tender:
2.5M tender = 1st and third round picks (if we dont match)
2.0M = 1st round
1.5M = 2nd rounder
A 1.5M offer or a second round pick seems like a wise move. If we draft a QB, then we can keep him here for a year at 1.5M to mentor or get a 2nd rounder. If we don’t draft a QB, then JC is a bridge the gap QB until the next draft or get a 2nd round pick. Maybe this is too logical for our FO. It also looks like JC will be the best QB on the market next year now that all of the big names have re-signed. So worst-case is that we keep him for 1.5 – 2.5M? Seems like a no-brainer.
Am I missing something? I would think the tender amounts for a QB would be higher, but it looks like they don’t account for position in the limits.
What if we just
put the franchise tag on him? That is right and wrong on so many levels. :)
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Note
if it’s an uncapped year, we just hit Snyder hard in the pockets to keep Jason one year while we rebuild. Jason gets way more than he ever expected and we all walk away mildly content about the whole situation – unless it results in $10 cheap domestics.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Thanks
for taking the time to answer my question.
Sorry for not checking Colt was on IR.
Now just go and beat the Broncos and it will all look different on Monday.
by G Fan in England on Nov 13, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
I think
the amounts in the tender offers I listed above are just a min offer that needs to be made prior to becoming an FA. The Skins can (if uncapped) offer say 4-5M to JC and see what happens. I don’t know if anyone will be willing to give up a first and third round pick for him, but they can trade us lower picks for his rights (and maybe even keep him at the offer sheet price). The franchise tag is two first round picks to sign him, so I don’t see that happening. In any case, an uncapped year gives us options with JC. I think most people think he is gone for sure, and that may be the case, however, we could actually get some picks for him. Or he can even stay here for price that won’t totally piss him off.
Answer
No – if ego has any play in it; but the smart move would be a basic 2-3 yr offer w/incentives and a promise to build an O-line
3-4 O-linemen at minimum is my hope.
You and Pommylee are all over this upset thing. I doubt that Vinny can read, so it doesn’t matter what your eyesight is. Of course, according to Vinny, we were handed a playoff caliber team, so I"m pretty much expecting them to win – so technically it is not an upset.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I based
my forecast on the Skins winning on the second half performance against the Falcons. Just hoping it was not a false dawn for the Skins and you long suffering fans.
by G Fan in England on Nov 13, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It is, afterall
a cruel, cruel world. I would love to see this team pick up where they left off, but consistency has not been one of their hallmarks this year, unless you believe they have been consistently bad; which is not the case.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Will Colt
be given a chance to start towards the end of the season if you are say 2-10 or 3-9 or will they keep Campbell in just for the sake of it?
by G Fan in England on Nov 13, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Which means
he’s not available this season and Todd Collins is scared. Maybe Jeff George isn’t such a bad thought after all.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I'd rather watch him get killed than our guys
SpotieOtieDopalicious
OL
I meant that with the possible highfirst round choice you will have that you could get one of the better OL available as well as in the later rounds.
by G Fan in England on Nov 13, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
If it doesn't happen
I predict the fall of The Republic as the least of the consequences.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
is this a bad sign
You and Pommylee are all over this upset thing
hes in England and I’m in Australia, but no one in America beleives, prolly means our faith is misplaced
Still I just think that take away the 2 or3 big plays and our D is great and Orton cant hurt us deep
surely one day we have to score more than 17 pts right, I hope so cos the OVer Under is 36.5 and if we dont the only way I win is if Broncos win 20-17 as I took the overs but thats another story
PLus and this is the main reason, our O-LIne as talentless and useless as they are, they are still men, and I just think that at least once this season they have to show some pride and for some stupidreason I think this is the week, probably wrong, probably nieve, but just gotta beleive sometimes right???
know I’m repeating myself, but its like INdian Mantras, repeat and it may happen
Pommylee
I'm predicting a win
but considering that we are a playoff caliber team, I’m not calling it an upset. I am, however, scouting out some rocks to dash my brains to pieces on in the event that the Broncos pull the “sure upset.”
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Great Post
But in defense of Heyer, I watched him most of the game and even replayed several of the pass plays and he was actually doing his job quite well at LT and I didn’t see any blatant holding penalties. He may not be a great OT but he played well in this game and it should be recognized when he plays well. I COMPLETELY agree about Mike Williams. He was basically giving the DE a free shot at the QB every play. He should not even be on an NFL roster!!
I optimistically
figured Williams was so big it would take 3 seconds just to run around him. So much for that.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I do want to point out
That I am saying that JC is some great QB. I had this discussion with RoastBeef last night. I have clear opinions about that, but I did save for another day. But it doesn’t excuse what cerrato has done to Campbell. I can’t see Campbell wanting to come back and I can’t see him every being productive again for anybody.
However the discussion can happen anytime as to how Campbell may have been with a decent line. My contention is that he would have been an average QB who did enough for us to win. I think he would be there QB that limits turnovers and completes a high percentage of his passes. But I haven’t seen him throw a decent long ball since he’s been here (except the one against the Saint a couple of years ago). He always misses his guys long or short but never in stride. In all fairness, he doesn’t get to it much from his back either.
agree mainly but
But I haven’t seen him throw a decent long ball since he’s been here (except the one against the Saint a couple of years ago).
Tampa this year and Detroit last year were great 40 yard through the air throws for TD’s, but I agree with your general point he can be too conservative at times for sure
Pommylee
When you are
dumping the ball off before letting the play develop, you miss sure TDs a la the pump fake to Moss that was not followed up on.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I feel confident when I say
Jason Campbell is the BEST quarterback the Redkskins have had on their roster in the past 10 years. I’d like to stick with him, but I think we all know he probably doesn’t want to be here next year to take another beating.
See my post above
where I suggest we put the franchise tag on him.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Why the franchise tag?
I don’t see the point in using the Franchise tag…..we have to pay him more….and nobody is going to trade 2 1st round picks to get him. We tried to get rid of him by getting rid of 2 1st rounders and a third! The restricted FA tender is where it will be…..it’s a cheaper offer for the team, and compensation for someone else signing him is more reasonable! I could see some team taking a second round flyer on him…..maybe a first but that may be a stretch since he hasn’t been able to really show off his skill-set! We have to select the level of tender….and then if another team makes an offer…..any offer…..we have the right to match it….if we don’t…..we get the appropriate picks from the level FA tender we placed on him! WIn-win for the team!
OK, I was blowing a little smoke
just to see what the possibilities might be. But what if he pulls it together the second half of the season. As others have posted, he is not the worst QB in the league (sorry LETJASONPASS I passed up an opportunity to be more complimentary and positive, but….?).
My biggest concern is in fact that we will lose him and then be stuck with having to use a draft pick on a QB (like LETJASONPASS and Kurtstack are saying) or depending on Colt to be the man for at least a couple of years while we rebuild – not real fair to Colt and certainly no guarantee of success. So Jason is a know quantity at starting QB in the league, we build the line and hopefully he will let the offense work for 3-5 seconds before giving up on the play and/or getting killed.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
I am with you.....
I have made this same argument when having my back-n-forth with Milcmann! I am just saying…..if they want to keep him……that is the smarter solution for the team…..it’s not like they have ever cared about keeping Campbell happy! I would love to see him stay….if he goes….I would rather they bring in a Garcia or (don’t slaughter me) Vick for a season or 2 while the new line gets built and settled! I do not believe Colt is our guy! He didn’t survive preseason this year, has a history of nagging injuries, and IMO is not an NFL starting caliber QB. That’s also an opinion I have always stated. Big fan of Colts…..but anyone who thinks he is a top tier starting QB was born from their mother’s a-hole!
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