PSSOM: Special Abbreviated Version - Washington Redskins Hope to be Worst 4-2 Team...Ever
by Sugar on Oct 6, 2009 4:00 AM EDT
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PrintOn the same week when Starbuck's releases its VIA instant coffee, we bring you a condensed version of Pour Some Sugar On Me. I am on the road this week but I still have ten thoughts from the previous weekend of football. Let's get to it:
1) Jeremy Jarmon and Brian Orakpo looked good rushing from the opposite ends. I respect you Philip Daniels. I respect you Andre Carter, Give me Jarmon/Orakpo earlier and often.
2) In an upcoming episode of PSSOM we are going to bring out some of my predictions and analysis from the preseason to see where I may have been right and where I may have been drunk. Here's a hint: I was on to something when I told you that Patrick Willis and Mike Singletary had something going on in San Francisco.
3) P.S. I TOLD you Darren Sharper was a huge addition in New Orleans.
4) When did Major Dad start coaching the Vikings?
5) THANK YOU DALLAS! Your 2-2 start is going to draw some serious attention in the national media. Appreciate it.
6) Is it irony if a defensive end who has been arrested/charged with DUI three times is a guy you would kill to do some boozing with at some point? Jared Allen looks like someone who would be a LOT of fun to share a 30-pack with while watching a slate of games.
7) Steaming Pile of Manure award goes to the Cleveland Browns...again...uhhhh...why don't you guys just hold onto the trophy and we'll let you know when we need it back?
8) Kansas City is getting better. In two weeks they will either be the best 1-4 or 0-5 team we have ever played against.
9) Antwaan Randle El is a good player. I am not telling you anything you don't know. Whenever I see him though, I see a guy who is keeping guys off the field--guys we need to start learning some things about. His decision-making in the return game continues to baffle me.
10) KevinE reports that Snyder kept the brown bags out of the stadium. I was at the stadium and I did not see them, so I kind of just thought that nobody decided to wear them with the game on the line. As much as I hated the idea of people putting bags on their heads, Snyder's censorship is also very troubling.
That said...
Welcome to Day 7 of The Revolution. We continue to put it together. Our goal will never be to embarrass the players or the team. But we will be heard. Thanks for all of the kind responses and support for our new endeavor. We will be rolling it out more in depth in the coming days and weeks.
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Viva la Revolution! I was at the stadium as well and did not see the bags either. I would never wear one but, I agree that if Snyder censored them, that is troubling. Just another of the reasons he must go. Keep it up Danny, pretty soon you’ll be needing to wear a paper bag, just to avoid being seen.
Recycle
yard bag I might cover him. ;)
by Jefferson1935 on Oct 6, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Radio station 106.7 was handing out shopping bags printed with “Love the Team, Hate the Owner” at the Metro Station. A guy in my group picked one up (I’ll never wear a paper bag lol) but it was confiscated at the gate. The guard said they got the word from on high: no paper bags allowed. He seemed embarrassed, and I don’t blame him.
Re #4
When did Major Dad start coaching the Vikings?
About the same time Father Mulcahy took over the Orioles…
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Jeremy Jarmon and Brian Orakpo looked good rushing from the opposite ends. I respect you Philip Daniels. I respect you Andre Carter, Give me Jarmon/Orakpo earlier and often.
I’m starting to come around to this as well. We had to see how it would work out with Daniels and Carter playing outside of Haynesworth. So far, it’s been pretty unimpressive. Teams are running on us and pass rush is minimal. Jarmon is really looking good. Especially considering how far behind the 8-ball he should be. I’m ready to role the dice and let him start on the left side. He’s going to make mistakes, but he will learn. I really really really want to start Orakpo at RDE, BUT, who’s going to be our OLB? Blades? Wilson?? I guess the argument could be made that the drop off at OLB might not be that significant, especially in the open field. But we’re still going to be weak on that strong side.
Is everyone really upset about the bags?
Or is it because someone’s painted it in a negative light early, and you’ve adopted their mindset towards it?
If you were coming into my house, or office, wanting to wear something immature and disrespectful, I’d make you take it off or change too. This guy has a lot more invested in this team than all of us combined and sees bags as detrimental to the progression of the team. Get over it and try to enjoy the game.
by SSBlitz on Oct 6, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
I’m not torn up over it, if you are a grown man and want to wear a bag over your head then grow up. I was thinking for a while a lot of public places out law masks but then I forgot about all the people that sit in the front rows around the NFL in their rediculous get up.
I know he owns the team and everything comes down to him, blah, blah. But what if this wasn’t his decision and perhaps a third party security company? I mean I have no idea but something to think about.
The other thing about the bags is that at Skins games they very rarely show the fans on TV, instead they usually give close ups of our cheerleaders, which I would rather see than a fat guy with his chest painted. But I don’t think you would see it on TV unless you were maybe an 0-4 team.
to a certain extent
an owner should be a bigger man and let the fans express their frustration.
does Snyder HAVE to let bags in? No. He can do whatever the hell he wants, including charge exorbitant amounts for an inferior product.
But SHOULD he let people wear a few bags in? Yes.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
I agree with you but...
How do you know it was him that made that call? I have no clue if it was or not
It's an assumption
But based on what I know of Snyder, and the overall situation, I feel comfortable making it.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
Unless Snyder planned to drive the team into the ground....
which is not likely, I have to feel that the bag issue is a security problem. Given that, I’d say let’s just bag the bags and come up with a more creative way to promote the revolution.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
Shirts
They say “Can We Trade Snyder?” and I sell them for just $12 out of the trunk of my car. Look for me around town…
would you charge me $100 to enter?
and $25 to park while telling me you were serving Fillet Mignon, only to give me spam?
I understand everyone's looking for someone to blame
And Snyder is the obvious choice, since he ultimately makes all the decisions. But having a bunch of cry-baby fans wearing bags because their team is an ugly 2-2 (still a 2-2 team though) is very embarassing to me as a true fan.
The blame game seems to shift every week to whoever seems most at fault at the time. If you stop complaining for a second and look at our team again, you’ll see quality players who happen to be struggling. Team synergy is off and the play-calling has been questionable, but those are two things that can change for the better on a week-to-week basis (and we’re due from this 12 game drought).
Dan Snyder is a businessman who loves the Redskins. He opens his wallet to try and construct the best team possible. He’s made some shady moves in the past, but nothing bad lately to warrant this onslaught of criticism. And overpricing is not a Snyder invention, my Ottawa Senators tickets tonight cost $130 each and the beers will be $10 each.
by SSBlitz on Oct 6, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
speaking of which
what’s a respectable price to pay for Caps tickets? I was thinking of going to my first game next week but didn’t know how much i should spend
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
I find this site better than ticketmaster.
http://www.ticketliquidator.com/tix/washington-capitals-tickets.aspx
Looks like $75 will get you pretty good seats, in the corner, 10 rows from the ice. That way you can watch the caps in the offensive zone 2 of the 3 periods.
The company involved in the redskins ticket scandal owns 50 or so Caps/Wiz season tickets that they sell pretty cheap (face value or sometimes less on game day…I’m sure they cut a deal with caps/wiz too). There is no commission and u can pickup for free or snail mail for free on the cheaper tixs.
thanks guys
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
All professional sports tickets are inflated.
And so are the food and drinks. Same with the movie theater. Same with the airport.
Remember when they said nobody could bring bottled water through security at the airport?
Then they would charge $4 for an evian after the gate. I’m gonna start wearing a paper bag on my head during flights to try and prove a point…
by SSBlitz on Oct 6, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too Easy
I know he can get his legs at a 180 degree angle
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
Bags? Really?
As I said in another comment, according to the stadium guide bags are not allowed.
http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/Stadium_Guide_1621.jsp
It doesn’t specifically say brown paper bags are prohibited but it says “bags” in general so I can only assume they’re included as well.
However, does anyone really think wearing a brown paper bag over your head is gonna make Snyder want to sell the team or fire Cerrato and hire a competent GM? Does anyone think wearing a bag over your head is gonna inspire the players on the field to play better or make Zorn call better plays during the game? Paper bags are only going to make idiot Eagle, Giant, and Cowboy fans come on HH and spew idiotic comments in all caps. Bags over your head not only embarrasses yourself, but embarrasses Redskins Nation as a whole. So I’m glad that the bags were taken away from people because the bags don’t solve anything.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for trying to get Snyder to realize what he’s doing isn’t working and is hurting the Skins. Nonetheless, no one’s going to take someone with a bag over their head seriously so I think we need to come up with a better alternative. Maybe all of us could write letters to Snyder? Not sure how they’re going to get to him though. Maybe we could all show up to Redskins Park asking to speak with Snyder (whenever he decides to show up)? Maybe we could create a petition and have all of us sign it? This is something the Browns did and I saw it on ESPN a few days ago. Here’s their petition:
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/randy-lerner-must-sell-the-cleveland-browns.html
I’m not sure what we can do, but if we’re all serious about trying to reach Snyder, we need to come up with a sensible, practical solution and bags just aren’t apart of it.
by bigrm18 on Oct 6, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That wouldn't work either
Would you listen to someone that had a sign saying “smutsboy1 sucks”
We need to come to Snyder in a respectful yet honest manner.
I'm not arguing what is or isn't effective
I’m saying that I’m completely confident it was Snyder’s directive to not let them in the stadium.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
I'm not
as much as I don’t like the bags, I think they should have been aloud in. Saints fans have worn them for years, Detroit fans as well. I’m sure plenty of other stadiums have had “bagheads” at one point or another. While I find it embarrassing to me as a Redskins fan, I find the effort by the owner to keep them out even more embarrassing. And Snyder should too.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts piping in fake crowd noise to drown out the boos.
Let's think about that for a second
Saints fans have worn them for years, Detroit fans as well.
Do we really want to do what Saint and Lion fans have been known for doing?
Again
I’m not saying I like the bags. My point is, if other teams allow it, we should as well. It is more embarrassing that Snyder is trying to “control the message”.
I understood and still understand your point
I never said whether you liked/disliked the bags.
But we have to consider that 10,000 bags were given out by one of Snyder’s radio rivals. If I were Snyder I wouldn’t have let something that was handed out by one of my competitors into my stadium either. I’m not faulting Snyder for what he did as far as the bags go.
Where does that end?
If they passed out shirts would he enforce a new dress code? If I’m paying that much money for a ticket your problems with competition have nothing to do with me. If the Nationals were playing on the same day as a pre season game does that mean I can’t wear my Nats hat? If it’s not for a security reason, and I’m paying for my ticket, he has no right. If I’m coming as his personal guest for free, then ok. Otherwise, too bad.
Do we really want to do what Saint and Lion fans have been known for doing?
well the team has been doing what those two squads were known for (losing, failing to score) so why not??
Actually… maybe you are right… maybe skins fans should just stick to what they are known for… getting drunk in the parking lot.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Whereas
Iggle fans are known for getting arrested at their own stadium and throwing snowball batteries at players/coaches/Santa.
If we were having a convo that in any way related to the eagles i could see how that would be relevant… but we are not… and its like i say everytime you guys bring up a superbowl win, the 80s were a long time ago
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
it was technically the 92 season but who am I to tell you redskins history??
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
We need to come to Snyder in a respectful yet honest manner.
“Hello Mr. Snyder, how are you today? I am extremely disappointed in the exorbitant costs of parking in and around the stadium these days, and I am politely asking if I could please park my car on YOUR F%#KING HEAD???
We need to come to Snyder in a respectful yet honest manner.
yeah maybe you guys can all write a heartfelt letter about how great that last superbowl run was and sign it “with loving affection, the fans of the washington redskins from hogshaven.com”… thats an even worse idea than the bags.
Yeah because he’ll definitely listen to people when you curse and scream at him, and tell him how much he sucks. That’s a great idea.
Where did I ever suggest that cursing and screaming was a good idea??
Anything that can be said to snyder (positively/negatively, nice/mean, respectful/cursing) has been said and nothing has changed.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh really ?
Obviously you don’t want to come to him with respect like I suggested, so you’d want to do the opposite, which is disrespect.
And when was the last time you called Snyder up telling him what you liked and didn’t like about him as an owner? I don’t think I’ve had the chance to contact him yet, do you have his number?
Matter of fact, how many Redskins fans have spoken to Snyder? I don’t remember saying anything to him, yet it seems you have already had some type of conversation with him.
newsflash… the owner of the Washington Redskins is NOT Howard Hughes, nor is it JD Salinger, nor Bill Waterson. He is not a recluse living in a tower overlooking Raljon, MD only venturing into the outside world to get more kitty litter once a month.
The owner of the Washington Redskins is a me first, self obsessed power hungry (little teeny tiny) man that has a team of PR people working all day only to report to him all night on every single thing that has been said about him and/or the team. There is no need for me to personally speak to him, nothing in my line of thinking is that different from Dan Steinberg, Mike Wise, or any of the other talking heads (local and national) that have the voice to be heard when mine cannot.
Secondly, there is a huuuuuuuge diifference between coming to someone in “a respectful yet honest manner” and the cursing and screaming you are accusing me of.
Obviously you don’t want to come to him with respect like I suggested, so you’d want to do the opposite, which is disrespect.
whats that?? you dont want to give a home to this adorable little puppy…. well than that (obviously) means you want me to rip its head off and eat its brains. Its not all black/white like you try to lay it out to be.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Oooh, please tell me your genius plan. How would you get someone to speak with and listen to you when you aren’t speaking with respect and honesty?
1) Stop the condescending crap. Never said I had a plan to reason with an irrational person.
2) You think a bunch of pleases and thank yous are going to make Dan Snyder do a complete 180 and realize the errors in his ways?? You think if someone had a real heart-to-heart talk about some of his mistakes he would immediately try and get Charlie Casserly on the phone to check his availibilty?
3) As I said above, there is no need for me to talk to Dan Snyder. There are an army of reporters printing my same thoughts on the team (which Im not even a fan of) everyday.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
1) If you don’t have a plan, why are you so intent on condemning mines?
2) Snyder has gone on record saying that firing Casserly was a mistake so why wouldn’t he do such a thing? That’s only if you were to speak to him with respect and honesty like I said. I don’t know what type of way you like to talk to people to get them to change their ways. But if someone came to me lying and talking in a disrespectful manner, I wouldn’t listen to them.
3) I’m not talking about a few reporters saying things about Snyder in the paper, I’m talking about us fans constantly writing letters, forming petitions, trying to talk to the local news, etc…
Snyder isn’t going to listen to reporters, especially when they bash him every chance they get in the newspaper. He needs to constantly hear from true Redskins fans and how they feel about his ways as the Redskins owner.
If you don’t have a plan, why are you so intent on condemning mines?
1) I dont have to know how to build a solar powered car to tell you that the idea of a battery powered car with a 15 mile range isnt going to work. What about your idea of speaking to him “respectfully and honestly” is so radical that you think it hasnt been done before.
2) everything listed under item #2 is too stupid to really even respond to. Despite all of that I will try my best… you are an idiot. How am I even supposed to respond to: “But if someone came to me lying and talking in a disrespectful manner, I wouldn’t listen to them.”
Damn there goes my plan on knocking on Danny’s door and trying to convince him that the skins have not won a game in 3 years and thats why he needs to stop playing with the skins like its an office fantasy football league.
3) You think ANYTHING mailed to Daniel Snyder in the form of fan mail actually reaches his office? wow… you are so disconnected with the real world i am just going to stop.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
However, does anyone really think wearing a brown paper bag over your head is gonna make Snyder want to sell the team or fire Cerrato and hire a competent GM?
you just dont get it… you are looking at this whole situation through a microscope and failing to see the big picture of what they were trying to accomplish. When you look into a stadium of 90,000 people all wearing maroon/black its real easy to ignore the boos you are hearing, blame that on a couple drunk knuckleheads, and tell yourself that redskins nation is still strong.
On the other hand when you see 3 people here wearing the bags, 5 people over there wearing the bags, holy S everyone in that club suite over there has a bag on their head… now all of the sudden you have clips on sportscenter, you have a picture on the cover of USAtoday under the headline “Skins come up short again”. At that point you have a full blown, critical meltdown on your hands that has to be addressed immediately.
If everybody had your outlook on life they would still be looking at these stupid yellow rubber bands and wondering how $1 can do anything to help cure cancer. Its not just about you, its not just about the drunk guy 2 rows back that keeps on yelling to put colt in the game for some reason, the idea behind it was it was something to show a united front in the fans unhappiness. The bag route probably took it too far, maybe they would have been better off trying to get everyone to wear all black (but then again how do you take credit for that?).
with all that being said… this was one of the worst run promotions in the history of radio, and that is coming from a huuuuuge fan of WJFK. I was listening to the show pretty much all week, heard them talk the bags up all week, but never once heard how/when they would be available. When I finally found out they were just leaving them at metro stops I knew the thing was going to be a disaster. Who takes metro to these games?? nobody. Who takes metro but isnt going to the games?? millions. I guarantee at least half of those 10,000 bags got picked up by either people who didnt go the game and wanted a souvenir, idiots who wants free stuff, and homeless people. All the segments I listened to and I never once heard them even hint at the fact that fedex does not allow you to bring bags in to the game. I like the thought, i like the effort, but the execution was terrible.
The fact that you want to put a bag over your head is all I need to know about you, so I’m not going to waste my time arguing what method for getting through to Snyder works and what doesn’t. In fact, I want you to go to Fedex wearing a bag over your, see if you can get the rest of your family to do so as well. Maybe you’ll get put on ESPN and get the national exposure you seek. Then Snyder will have no choice but to sell the team and fire Cerrato once he sees people with bags over their heads. It’s not like And maybe the entire United States won’t laugh at how ridiculous you look, including Snyder.
Hmmm… Come to think of it, I think my boss is overworking me so guess what I’ll do. I’ll go to work with a bag over my head and my boss will probably get the drift and give me a day off. Also, I have an annoying neighbor next to me so I’ll walk up to his house, knock on his door, and walk away once he sees me with a bag on my head. That’ll teach him not to bother me again.
Since wearing a bag over your head has worked so well in the NFL, it should work outside of it as well right? I mean, just look at the success that the Saints and Lions have had when their fans wore bags over their heads. They’ve been known for all of those playoff and Super Bowl wins that they have and it’s all because of their fans wearing bags over their heads. So we definitely want to follow in their footsteps and hope to have as much success as they’ve had since they’ve been the model franchises in the NFL.
I mean, just look at the success that the Saints and Lions have had when their fans wore bags over their heads.
yeah lets look at the success the Lions fans have had since they found a way to stand up to an owner that stopped listening to reason years ago… Is Matt Millen still in town?? no?? Then everything they were trying to accomplish worked. Do I even have to bring up the Saints?? Their turnaround had nothing to do with the topic at hand but have you even opened up a sports page this season? poor poor example.
The bag route probably took it too far
there is me saying the bags were a little too much. Can you show me a quote where I said I wanted to wear one of the bags like you accused me of in the opening of your post? no… then shut the fuck up and start writing “honest and respectful” letter to Dan Snyder on how you miss the old redskins.
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I think bigrm18 once had a traumatic experience with one of these bagheaded people. Thats the only thing i can come up with on how/why he would hold so much contempt over this idea. Get over the fucking bags already, it could have been wearing your jersey inside out, it could have been wearing all black. The idea is solidarity, “we” are all going to do one thing to readily show a) we are not happy b) i am not the only one who is not happy.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm done
And I’ve lost a few brain cells trying to have a decent conversation with you. Please feel free to continue rambling on by yourself.
i knew it… as soon as i brought up his traumatic baghead experience he ended the convo…. coincidence? I think not.
PS
what they did to was wrong.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
What you don't seem to get
On the other hand when you see 3 people here wearing the bags, 5 people over there wearing the bags, holy S everyone in that club suite over there has a bag on their head… now all of the sudden you have clips on sportscenter, you have a picture on the cover of USAtoday under the headline "Skins come up short again". At that point you have a full blown, critical meltdown on your hands that has to be addressed immediately.
None of that is necessary to demonstrate to Snyder that there is a problem. The play on the field IS.
Yes but the play on the field can still be scapegoated towards Zorn’s boneheaded coaching and away from his moronic personnel decisions.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really not Zorn being scapegoated
He’s been outsmarted by the opposing DC in every game I’ve watched.
I agree with dt
The play on the field has been subpar for a while now and he continues to make the same mistakes and blame/get rid of different people each year. We know he’s not reacting (at least not correctly) to the issues on the field. By taking a stand as a whole (and I agree perhaps bags were a bad idea but the topic to focus on is unity) the FANS, i.e. the one who give him their money, are saying “I’ve absolutely had it, you are a moron and I can’t take it anymore.”
I again discuss what the Bengals fans did a few years ago…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BWjsxz-io4
They were disgusted, they’d had enough, they made their frustration public. Boom, national coverage that can’t be ignored. Another billboard they had asked fans not to pay for concessions or merchandise at the games to hit their owner in the pocket where it counts. Maybe it doesn’t work and Snyder still doesn’t care. Maybe his goons keep him isolated from the news. But maybe, MAYBE he takes a step back and takes what he’s hearing into consideration. MAYBE he fires Cerrato and removes himself from the football aspect and keeps his mouth shut. MAYBE he does something new. At this point isn’t it worth a shot???
I read an article this morning.
It said Snyder actually gathered the bag to recycle them and buy carbon offsets for all the cars that come to FedEx. Now don’t yall feel like assholes, he was just saving the planet.
what about
the carbon offset for his jet? Maybe that’s the plan this year, to be so bad people try to bring bags to all the games, and he uses them to correct all of the wrongs he’s done to the environment. And then, with that done, he decides to right all the wrongs he’s done to Redskins fans, so he jumps off a cliff.
well if the fans want to make an impression
don’t show up. He’s already got your money if you have the tickets, simply don’t feed the beast any more. That means no parking fees, no concessions, no accessories, no attendance. This biggest protest is an empty stadium. The problem is, how many of you guys would deny yourself the gameday experience in order to make a point?
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
well that's what I am saying guys
If I was local, I’d still be going to the game, a few guys in the stands with bags on their heads and signs stating that they love the team and hate the owner simply won’t cut it. I’m sure that Dan is acutely aware of how he’s portayed in both the media and the blogosphere.
If people wanted to truly make an impact and tell the owner in no uncertain terms, people would be eating their tickets and denying him the extra income. The thing is, it does feel as this squad is tantalizingly close and then you see the product and wonder where in the hell that thought came from but there was evidence last year, we have the majority of the pieces in place from the last playoff run and yet…. well all I can do is root, cheer and hope.
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
what he's saying is
if we don’t go to games, then someone else will. And that someone else will be a fan of the opposing team.
well my thought was
if you bought a ticket, it’s not as if the team could resell it, you would simply be an empty seat. Dan would loathe sections of empty seats
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
Personally
I really hope people stop buying tickets so I can continue to get closer and closer to the action. I don’t care if we lose every single game for the rest of the season, I’m going to be there cheering like the burgundy and gold fanatic that I am.
Does anybody really think Snyder doesn’t care about losing and playing as pathetic as we have been? Look at his face during the game and tell me it’s not eating him up. Is it a business? Yes. Does Snyder want to maintain his high profitability? Certainly. But make no mistake, he also wants to WIN. And he’s going to do whatever it takes to make that happen. It’s just a matter of time before we have a winning formula.
That's extremely optimistic and I don't see much reason for that.
And he’s going to do whatever it takes to make that happen. It’s just a matter of time before we have a winning formula.
Snyder wants to win, but he wants to do it his way, and that way doesn’t involve hiring a talented GM, and taking a back seat.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
Neverending anti-Snyder propaganda
Snyder wants to win, but he wants to do it his way, and that way doesn’t involve hiring a talented GM, and taking a back seat.
Just to be straight, Joe Gibbs didn’t qualify as a talented GM when he was brought in? That’s who was making the decisions from ‘04 -’ 07. Did it work out? No. But, I don’t fault Snyder for his logic in bringing him here.
No, Joe Gibbs was not a talented GM
he had never been a GM before, and he didn’t do anything amazing while he was here.
Head coaches rarely work out well as GMs, especially without a talented team president to partner with.
No, Snyder has never hired a decent GM.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
In hindsight
you are right (funny how that works). But, at the time, convincing Gibbs to return and giving him full control was a brilliant move on Snyder’s part.
whatever hindsight you've collected is great
But some of us knew at the time that A) few if any coaches make good GMs (especially simultaneously), and that B) Gibbs had no experience being a GM
I’m sorry if you thought he was going to be a great GM.
One day Snyder will hire a real one, with pedigree and experience.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
ain't no need for your snark.
I stand by any of the observations I’ve made since I’ve joined this blog, and I will fully admit when I’m wrong.
The idea that Gibbs had no pedigree to be a GM and some people didn’t think he would be a good GM simply isn’t that crazy, as much as you seem to be denying this possibility.
It's all Dan Snyder's Fault
I disagree
if you’re saying that Gibbs was not a good GM. He came in and put together one of the largest and most experienced coaching staffs in the NFL. Coaches from his previous successful tenure with the team returned: Joe Bugel, Don Breaux, Jack Burns, Rennie Simmons. Gibbs was able to lure former HC, Gregg Williams. Many of his assistant and position coaches were either former head coaches and/or held top assistant coaching positions with other NFL teams. That was a lot of experience. Most of his personnel decisions were pretty sound, solid decisions at the time.
I don’t fault his drafting strategy either: Sean Taylor, Campbell, Cooley, Landry, Rogers, Rocky, etc. He actually drafted some OL in the later rounds to develop, but they just didn’t pan out for whatever reasons. Looking back, he probably gave up too much on Campbell, but Brunell was declining fast and JC was ranked to go in the 1st. It’s easy now to go back and say we should have done this or that. But overall, Gibbs’ management of our team lead us to 2 playoffs in 4 years (which is more than a LOT of teams can say). 2007 was one of the most difficult years in our team’s history, and the way he brought the team together was nothing short of miraculous. I honestly wish Joe could have stuck around for another decade.
It’s just a matter of time before we have a winning formula.
so what you are saying is if you put a million monkeys in a room and give them a million typewrites one of them is eventually going to write War&Peace.
That was cute
What I’m saying is that we will have a winning coach in place before the Eagles win their first Superbowl.
thanks
so what youre saying is you think holmgreen will be hired before January??
On a semi unrelated note….
@VA_Skin – I think Holmgreen is already Danny’s next choice. I think its going to come out later that Sherm’s consulting position actually has more to do with consulting with Holmgreen about the state of the offense/franchise than it does with helping Zorn.
by dt3 on Oct 7, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
The Key
Is not to stop going to the games/buying the TICKET. Because agreed the opposing team will buy the tickets. The trick is to not put the remainder of your money in his pocket. Eat before you go to the game, drink before you go to the game, take the Metro, etc. Don’t pay him the parking, the concessions, the extras.
Still root the team on and be there for the team… but don’t give him a cent more.
We're still holding the record for longest sellout streak.
So I don’t think a blog-oriented boycott of the game is going to change anything.
Th Skin have only beat KC once.
look out. That’s all I am saying.
the lions hadn't beaten us either...
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
you are correct
my bad
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
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