A nap time story from grandpa
OK, I’m going to date myself, but it’s all right, ‘cause y’all think I’m ancient anyway. So sit back and let grandpa tell you a story.
I’ve been a Redskin fan through head coaches Bill McPeak, Otto Graham, Vince Lombardi, Bill Austin, George Allen, Jack Pardee, Joe Gibbs I, Ritchie Petibon, Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Shottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs II, and now Jim Zorn. In my opinion, two have been successful. George Allen and Joe Gibbs I.
What is it that made these two coaches, the only two to lead the Redskins to the Super Bowl, so successful? My thoughts after the jump.
George Allen was like Daniel Snyder, only he understood football. His attitude was win now, and to hell with tomorrow. Why do we need future draft picks that may or may not pan out when we can get a proven player now for that draft pick and some cash? And, his proven players were OLD. Hence the nickname, The Over the Hill Gang. And they won.
Joe Gibbs I was the consummate football strategist. He believed that you win through the draft with young players you develop. You may add veteran players for specifics, but your strength is your youth. And they won.
Kind of like polar opposites, huh. So what did these two have in common?
They both prepared game plans for the specific teams they were playing each week, and they both excelled at making adjustments at halftime.
In the NFL, the successful teams prepare each week for the team they will be playing. This is why film study is so important. You need to understand what your opponents strengths and weaknesses are and what tendencies they exhibit. You need to study the film for hours to understand and plan for your opponent. Both Allen and Gibbs were legendary in the hours they spent with film. They both slept in their offices during the season, and put in 18-20 hours a day developing their game plan for the coming week.
You can plan for specific opponents all you want, but you must understand that they are planning for you too. You must remain flexible and change as the circumstances dictate. This is very difficult to do in the heat of battle. That’s why the break at half time is so important. It’s the chance to sit back and look at what has happened and what you should adjust based on the actual game play.
In these two areas, Allen and Gibbs were geniuses. Unfortunately, so far, Zorn and Blache are not. Both the offense and defense need better pre-game plans and preparation for each opponent. Both the offense and defense need to make better adjustments at half time. When these two things happen, the Redskins will be successful.
Now kiddies, it’s nap time….for grandpa!
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Damn Grouse
Didn’t date yourself too much, or much more than me.
And You have hit the spot, you are spot-on. Which I call into question during Gibbs II, the game planning aspect was not as strong as it was during his first tenure.
I think Zorn is too clever for himself and overthinks the play, then quickly moves out of something that does not work the first time instead of giving it time to develop. See Running game in Week 4 vs Week 3
Blache, is old school stubborn. He needs to be old school smart, develop a plan and make the other team uncomfortable. He does a good job at the adjustment at half-time.
Excelllent and Recommended post!
by dr WNC on Oct 5, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
I just think Gibbs was tired during his second tenure. He had to deal with all issues as GM and HC. One takes away from the other, in my opinion. And bigger issue, he had to deal with Snyder.
Zorn seems to be tryng to make the game rocket science, when it isn’t. It’s still blocking and tackling and proper preparation.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 5, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
You’ve been a Redskin fan forever…you must be ancient! :P
Good post and I agree that it looks like they just go out every week with a vanilla plan and get shocked when it doesn’t work well.
by ZakInOmaha on Oct 5, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This post is so long I fell asleep at my desk
I guess it really was a nap time story
by pas493 on Oct 5, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, were you on
the Nina, Pinta, or Santa Maria. Geez, you were a fan of the ORIGINAL Redskins, weren’t you? Met ’em just as soon as you and Chris stepped of the boat.
I agree with your points, but I’d say that Lombardi would probably have rivaled the success of the other two if he had lived (and subsequently COACHED) longer. Though that would have probably kept Allen out of the picture. I also think that Pettibone should have been given a legitimate chance, and that Marty would’ve done better than anyone since if given the time too.
by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree CJ
Lombardi is a legend. Too bad we got him after he was sick, or he would have been successful for the same reasons as Allen and Gibbs…preparation. Don’t know bout Petibon, but he was tutored under Gibbs. I have my doubts about Marty. Not the preparation part, just his personality.
And yeah, Chris and I have studied a lot of game film together. It was the two of us that put the game plan together for dealing with the Indians. Worked out pretty good, after some half time adjustments.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 5, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
And yeah, Chris and I have studied a lot of game film together. It was the two of us that put the game plan together for dealing with the Indians. Worked out pretty good, after some half time adjustments.
I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....
by Rekka on Oct 5, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that...
Worked out pretty good, after some half time adjustments.
before or after Little Big Horn…?
Awesome post, Gramps!!
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 5, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least you
got a turkey out of it.
I think Petitbon woulda been a damned good coach. That was the worst decision Cooke ever made, and it’s a shame he did it to Richie. Especially after Gibbs gave the endorsement. All Petitbon had was an old ass team and Reggie Brooks. But I think he was before his time. He was Gregg Williams before Gregg Williams. He DEFINITELY woulda been better for us that the 7 year Norv-tanic. I specifically remember being down when St. Joe announced his retirement, then gleefully relieved when I heard Richie was taking over.
I also found it funny, and kind of sad, that after sticking it out with Gibbs and reaping the rewards, JKC didn’t give Richie the same chance. I always felt Petitbon was hired as a stopgap cuz JKC wanted Nervs all along.
by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great article
You know, maybe it is the Alzheimers, but I’d forgotten a lot about that period. Maybe just blue over the legend leaving, maybe spent too much time raising my family and trying to make a living, maybe just too many late nights in the film room, but Petitbon was a great coach. He deserved the skins HC job, and he was screwed by JKC. Would have been nice to see what he coulda really done.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 5, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a LOT better
than Turner. I guarantee it. Petitbon was a defensive genius. And his players loved him. I remember seeing an interview like 5 years later where he said that experience completely soured him on football. He had waited so long for the opportunity to be a HC, got to take over a team he helped win Superbowls with, then was given a broken down roster and cast aside after one year. Personally, I think Petitbon (with Brooks at RB) would have continued the tradition of Redskins football that Norval subsequently erased.
by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Article
But maybe Petitbon and Zorn have a similar problem.
A head coach needs to be a head coach, not just the defense, or offense
Not the QB coach, not the offensive coordinator.
Just my thoughts
by dr WNC on Oct 5, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
disagree
Richie had a plethora of experience and knowledge. And, don’t forget, Gibbs NEVER messed with the defense. He didn’t even go to the meetings, so Richie, in essence was more an assistant HC.
by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But when he took over as HC
He really continued as the Defensive Coordinator, Letting the Offensive guys run the offense.
He assumed since Gibbs did it he could do it the opposite way, but Gibbs learned to Trust Richie before giving him full reigns.
He gave the offense full reigns, without providing his knowledge….IMO
by dr WNC on Oct 5, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's really a
normal thing in coaching. The difference is, he still had most of Gibbs’ staff, so everyone was familiar with everyone else. And, like I said, a LOT of experience. He knew a lot more about coaching then than Zorn does now.
by CJHutch on Oct 5, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't misunderstand
I liked Richie, and he was one of the reasons the Redskins were dominate during the Gibbs era. A head coach is to be the leader, and Richie didn’t Lead the offense. It’s ok to let someone else do it but at some point it’s as much his responsibility as anyone else…
by dr WNC on Oct 5, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, switch gears
do you think NORV was a “leader”? I don’t. I know that Richie would have been better. And I’m certain he would’ve proved to be a good leader if given time. But starting out his first head coaching gig, I can understand not taking on too much in the beginning (aHEM, Jim Zorn). But I guess it doesn’t really matter, does it? JKC screwed Petitbon, then he screwed US by hiring Norv. So, I maintain that all of our problems started when JKC fired Richie Petitbon.
by CJHutch on Oct 6, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norv
He remains then what he is now, take a quick look at the Chargers.
All the talent in the world to be champions but no coaching leadership.
Zorn, does not bring leadership either which I thought he was going to bring but is either unable or has taken on too much to be the leader of the team
by dr WNC on Oct 6, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had me at
Norv
He remains then what he is now,
Which is one of the worst coaches ever, who somehow keeps getting these opportunities because he’s a “nice guy.”
by CJHutch on Oct 6, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Singletary
I don’t know the guy and I haven’t been in the 49ers locker room but I’d guess he isn’t always a nice guy and look at what he’s done so far.
Sometimes when you’re a boss and people aren’t doing their jobs you have to not be the nice guy to get them to do their jobs. I’ve never liked having to do it but it’s all part of the job.
by ZakInOmaha on Oct 8, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
I think Norv Turner is one of the worst coaches in history. My point was that he keeps getting jobs DESPITE being horrible because everyone likes him.
by CJHutch on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P-Bone and Zorny's biggest common problem...
was their O-lines. The Hogs were retiring and/or getting to the end of their careers and we haven’t replaced them since with the exception of a few good years with Jansen and Samuels etc. prior to Zorn. Maybe not the biggest point, but of some relevance IMO.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except Petitbon
wasn’t given time to correct the problems. It wasn’t just his line, the whole team was getting old.
by CJHutch on Oct 6, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's certainly true...on both points
One would have to believe that Pettibon woulld have been allowed to rebuild through the draft although the whole period seems awfully chaotic to me now.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 6, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But It Looks as if..
No one will be allowed to rebuild this team when if finally collapses as we will have squandered away all draft picks well into the next decade.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 6, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many 2010 picks have we lost?
My count is none, AND the 3rd round 2010 pick is playing very well THIS YEAR
2011 all available
by dr WNC on Oct 7, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the hope...
I’ll load my gun more slowly. LOL
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 7, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hall
I know I am just a stupid canadian nfl fan but have been a redskins fan for 30 years,I just can’t believe we pay DeAngelo Hall millions of dollars(thats us dollars,geez up here its a lot more!!!) and the guy can’t even make an easy open field tackle on an overage immobile qb like jake d.!!!!! Hall couldn’t even stop a bunch of school kids from crossing the streets….can you say over-rated and definately over paid!!!!!!!
by freshairfreddy on Oct 12, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gibbs II
Had Joe Gibbs returned to the Redskisn following Marty we would have seen some excellent football. With a good O-line and Stephen Davis, etc. However, My Snyder in is infinite wisdom brought in Spurrier who completely dismantled a solid run-first team and created a horrific passing team, then brought back Gibbs. The sequence of events and coaching changes etc for teh Redskins shows no for thought for teh future at all. Anyone rememebr wondering why we kep Arrington and let Pierce go? Hmm, tons of those poor decisions to recall!
by Jeff1f on Oct 19, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hall
One thing is for sure about Hall though, at least he catches the ball when provided an opportunity unlike his counterpart Carlos Rogers who has had a good handful of Happy Birthday’s which he has dropped! What is it with these damn Auburn players anyway!!
by Jeff1f on Oct 19, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, right
What is it with these damn Auburn players anyway!!
Their almost as bad as the Terp players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 19, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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