The 2010 Redskins offense
by sofutomygaha on Oct 28, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
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CarverM prefaced a post today saying "in the off chance the Redskins' FO reads these posts..." That inspired me, along with the posts from Kurtstack and lallahel to write a rebuilding plan. With toungue in cheek, let's play a game and figure out what we want the front office to see if they read these posts.
Here's the game
The Redskins starting 3-reciever set presently looks like this:
------------------------------------------------------------------------PORTIS---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------CAMPBELL---------------------------------------------------------------
MOSS----RANDLE-EL------WILLIAMS|MONTGOMERY|RABACH|DOCKERY|HEYER-------COOLEY-------THOMAS
You are Vinny Cerato. Cut and paste this box and tell us who is there in 2010, and how you will get them. These are your assets (thanks to KevinE's draft tracker post):
- The NINTH PICK (arbitrary) in round 1, 2, 4, 5, and 7.
And these are your liabilities:
- Jason Campbell, Stephon Heyer, Mike Williams to become free agents
- Chris Samuels retired
If we get enough entries, we can have a poll to see what box we like the best.
Before I give you mine, I am also putting for fun what I earnestly think Cerato's box is. Tell me if you disagree.
CERRATO'S BOX
---------------------------------------------------------------------PORTIS-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------CLAUSSEN--------------------------------------------------------------
MOSS--MARSHALL------HEYER | MONTGOMERY | RABACH | DOCKERY| CLIFTON-------COOLEY---THOMAS
In this scenario, Brandon Marshall gets signed for buckets of money, Jimmy Claussen is our 1st rounder, and Chad Clifton is signed in free agency away from the Packers, who happily promote Daryn College.
MY BOX
-----------------------------------------------------------------TATE--------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------PENNINGTON-------------------------------------------------------------
MOSS----KELLY--------------WILLIAMS| IUPATI |RABACH|DOCKERY|MCNEIL-------COOLEY-------THOMAS
- Pennington can be acquired in free agency for a reasonable contract (I don't think there's any universe where Campbell stays in Washington at this point. Good luck in Seattle, JC!). This is a win-now move; a young apprentice must be found for the long term, but is obviously not my priority.
- That's TRENT WILLIAMS, folks, at right tackle. He's our 1st rounder unless he leapfrogs Russell Okung in the draft.
- I am optimistically slotting IUPATI for our 2nd round pick. If I am wrong, then I'm looking at DAVID BAAS in free agency.
- MARCUS MCNEIL is Snyder's splash move for the 2010 off-season. We will have to overpay to lure him from San Diego.
- Old man Isaac Bruce is gettable and sure-handed. In my universe, he finds his way to the Redskins and Randle-El gets dumped (for a 4 million cap hit).
- Obviously, rookie RB BEN TATE is splitting carries with Portis, who I just can't see being traded in any reasonable universe. We are old at RB, and Portis's workload needs to be reduced. Betts is even older, and obviously not the future. Tate is our 4th round pick.
A closing observation
This is much harder than I thought it was going to be. The young, stout offensive line that I set out to build cost me more than I expected. My team needs big improvement from Kelly and Thomas and a turnaround from Portis to be successful. I believe that this team is doable under the cap, but I'd hate to do the numbers.
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-——————————————————PORTIS/SPILLER—————————————
-—————————————————-CAMPBELL———————————————————————-
MOSS—-RANDEL EL——-BARRON|MONTGOMERY|RABACH|DOCKERY|SAMUELS/OKUNG—-COOLEY—-THOMAS
You’ll notice that not a lot has changed in mine. I’m even bringing back Campbell (and Zorn), in what some may call a surprise move. I’m going for improvement through continuity, and hopefully a stronger offensive line. First round draft pick went to Okung, who I think would start right side if Samuels comes back, then moving over when he eventually retires (I’m hoping for 2 more years from him – especially as a mentor). Second pick is for CJ Spiller. No, I don’t think he’ll fall to the second round, but if his year doesn’t go as planned, or Danny likes what he sees, he’ll find a way to draft him as Clinton’s eventual replacement. I think there will be one other trade/signing on the line, so I’ve put Alex Barron from St. Louis at right tackle. He’s a monster, free-agent next year, and was just benched by Spagnuolo.
I think the offensive line is our biggest problem, taking attention from Campbell and closing holes on Portis. I saw flashes of a good offensive on MNF, when Campbell was focusing down field and had time for routes to develop. A better line should add consistency.
by SSBlitz on Oct 28, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Samuels is retiring
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, SSBlitz, but Samuels is done.
You’d have to make some really nifty trade-ups to land both Spiller and Okung; those guys will both go in the top 15.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 28, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew someone would comment on projected draft spot.
Too bad to hear about Samuels, but it’s understandable.
As for who gets picked where, we can argue all day about where “experts” project them to be now, halfway through the season. And those debates will continue up to draft day. Two weeks prior to the draft, Orakpo was a top 5 pick and Maualuga was a top 15. Where did they end up?
Linemen don’t fluctuate as much, so I’m holding steady with Okung (though you can sub in any other top O-lineman). CJ could be there in the second, we could trade up, or we could take another quality RB there.
by SSBlitz on Oct 28, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spiller
He is certainly a beast (I’ve watched him for the past 2 years and this year of my life as an ACC student) but I have to say… I’m not sure he’s worth a first rounder this year. The RB stock isn’t great compared to last year, but still… I’m not so sure about how useful he’ll be if our O-Line sucks.
by BDBrian on Oct 29, 2009 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U guys are nuts
I thought I obsessedly followed football *(admittedly from Australia) but you guys already having an idea half way throught he college season where Linemen will be drafted (and I have no doubt you are probably right too) is just awesome, in a nutty sad scary sort of way :) and I mean that with much respect
one question…………. do U have families???? lol
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Oct 28, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My Sunday entertainment is football, and with madden, it started to creep in to weekdays. Now I even keep up on my breaks at work.
And I don’t have a wife or kids to take up time.
by SSBlitz on Oct 28, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also see a lot of strong talent on our offense. I think a stronger offensive line is the key missing piece to a solid offense, so I’ve been looking ahead for solutions.
by SSBlitz on Oct 28, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AS I said much respect
I am currently sending you these posts at work, so I here that and I’m glad Skins fans liek you exist to keep up to date with what is happening,,,,,,,but still U R nuts :)
as soon as you start telling me about some gun Special Teams blocker from some obscure division 3 school, that is whenI will draw the line though lol
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Oct 28, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
one last point
it’s (a bit) better than all the other posts, ranting about how Zorn and Snyder suck.
by SSBlitz on Oct 28, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
speaking of which...
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Oct 30, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mistype
that should be “I hear that” not ’here that"
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Oct 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would take your OL lineup
Even though I’ve never been a big fan of Pennington, he is more of a West Coast guy. I’m hoping we can maybe land a small school QB prospect later in the draft (I honestly don’t know who though). If Cerrato is still here, I could see him bringing in LeGarret Blount (Oregon) as an UFA, since he’s shown a propensity to gamble on busts risky players with sketchy backgrounds in the draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
never watched the guy play
but heard he was pretty good. i only saw him slump that d-lineman. what’s his running style?
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 29, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power
He’s not much of a home-run threat, but he’s pretty strong.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 29, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmh
at this point we should be looking for some speed guys, especially since we know portis isn’t going anywhere until he’s rolling through holes in a wheelchair.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 29, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I found your
trading for Marshall a bit perplexing. Doubt Brandon would come to a team in our state from an up to now undefeated team. It also presupposes a cap-less year, I imagine.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There's no trade
Commentators have become fond of calling our wideouts smurfs and saying that we lack the modern hybrid who can be an endzone threat and a possession guy. Marshall is an unconditional free agent after this season. If Denver doesn’t sign him, he will be the jewel of the 2010 free agent class and it is on that supposition that I think Snyder would go after him. If they were to renegotiate with a few backloaded guys like Portis, Fletcher, and Randy Thomas, buy out Randle-El, and spend Samuels’ cap space, it would be conceivable.
I wouldn’t do it, but you have to admit it would fit the pattern.
If there’s no cap, all bets are off- the Redskins would trade their round 2-5 picks and back their van up to the free agent depot. Terrell Owens? Antonio Bryant? Cadillac Williams? Julius Peppers? Cato June? Dunta Robinson? All of the above?
by sofutomygaha on Oct 29, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Brown
is a free agent after this year as well…i would love to see him in burgundy and gold!!
by CuseSkinsfan1 on Nov 2, 2009 3:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only a free agent.
If the CBA reaches a new agreement. He’s with the Dolphins for a 6th year at $5 million if it’s an uncapped year.
by SSBlitz on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Almost off the front page and lost to the ages...
Come on… hasn’t anyone got their Madden in franchise mode? Doesn’t anyone else want to give us a hypothetical starting 11?
by sofutomygaha on Oct 29, 2009 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pennington
I don’t know if I like Pennington. Considering he has been hurt off and and for something like four years sounds very risky too me.
by ycat33 on Oct 29, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep JC
boring choice for sure but we need to protect whoever we have back there and trading picks that should be used on protecting the QB just to get another body for opposing Linemen to use as target practice will not fix anything
Put Peyton Manning behind our line and he would not be Peyton Manning, he’d be better than JC probably but he would not be the Manning we know
WE ARE THE REDSKINS< OUR WHOLE TRADITION IS THE HOGS>A FRANHISE BUILT ON THE BELIEF IN LINE PLAY IS NEGLECTING IT NOW WE ARE RUN BY A SUPPOSED LIFELONG FAN WTF
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Oct 30, 2009 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think JC will be less expensive than Pennington?
by sofutomygaha on Oct 30, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a relatively weak
arm to begin with, if healthy. Please do not go there.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have a good coach
there will more than likely be nothing that anyone will recognize of this team. I dont think that anyone is safe with whats going to happen here. We may have a bounce back like miami.
"The rich wage WAR and the POOR die!!!"
by milcmann on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
we should really be like miami and do a wildcat
portis
tebow & vick
moss————offensive line————-coolio—————-T.O.
how much would that rule
by bloodbat on Nov 1, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Terrible in so many ways
but, strangely, still intriguing…
by Boo. on Nov 1, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have
tebow, vick, and T.O., we will have no offensive line. How well ya think that’ll work?
by grandpa grouse on Nov 1, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heres what I think
I think we should try and trade what i assume will be a top 10 draft pick for a lower first round pick and either a second or third round pick. after doing that use our 1st rounder on the best OL available. I think we then use or two second / second and third round picks on a OL/QB combo depending on who available. OR we package our two 2nd rounds or 2nd/3rd picks and trade back into the first round and select a high profile qb or another OL. i think we re-sign campbell to a one or two year contract since the only other free angent QB available after this year is kyle orton and he’s nothing special. We use campbell as a stopgap to develop the QB we draft in 2010 or 2011. I think with a play action style offense that somebody like shanahan or cowher would bring would do “wonders” for campbell next year and buy us the time we need to develop a jake locker/jimmy claussen/sam bradford. I think we make a splash in free agency by signing ronnie brown if Miami doesnt re-sign him before then. we could even go after cadillac or brandon marshall if the ronnie brown move doesnt pan out. Anothe thought i had was trying to trade carolina for one of the two RB’s (williams or stewart) we can then try and trade portis or have him restructure his contract to remain on the team.
by CuseSkinsfan1 on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was with you until the 'sign big free agents' part
This roster needs to be in full-rebuild mode, especially on offense.
We can’t be tying up $10M a year in guaranteed money to another star position player.
Too many pieces needed, need to spread money around further.
"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins
by smutsboy1 on Nov 2, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sound argument, except you are forgetting
that with the crazy slotting system, unproven rookies are commanding massive salarys anyway.
Not saying I disagree that we should go through the draft, just pointing out that Jake Long and JaMarcus Russel currently earn more money than Tom Brady and signed them contracts before even attending an NFL practice, let alone playing a game
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Nov 2, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Portis/J Norwood
E. Williams
Bradford
Moss/MK Sturdivant® Thomas Rabach Dock McNeil CC Thomas/Mitchell
In this senerio we sign 2 key free agents: LT- McNeil(chargers) and RB – J. Norwood(Atlanta)
Samuels retires as expected. Heyer is re-signed as a back-up. Thomas comes back from surgery for one last go. McNeil is plugged in at LT. Portis is offered as trade bait, but no reasonable offers come through. Cartright, Betts, Randel-El, Collins, and Sellers are released. Bradford is our 1st RD draft choice over Locker (Clausen goes 1 to the Rams). Sturdivant comes out of Georgia as a 3rd year soph, and is our 2nd RD pick. Sam Young(OT – Notre Dame) is drafted in the 3rd rd, after we trade up from the 4th to get him.
by Tiller56 on Nov 5, 2009 10:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Didnt sellers
just sign a contract extension? I dont think hes going anywhere. Why sign jerious norwood when running backs like ronnie brown or cadillac williams could be available? Plus we have this Ganther kid we picked up over the course of this season, why do that to sign JERIOUS NORWOOD?. I think bradfords arm and lack of strength is gonna scare the skins away from him and hopefully right towards a new stud left tackle.
by CuseSkinsfan1 on Nov 6, 2009 3:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trent Williams hasn't been very good this year.
Don’t listen to ESPN when picking your prospects. Russel Okung, Bruce Campbell, and that guy from USC have all been much better than Trent Williams this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Nov 8, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who to Keep
We need leaders on the team, so we should keep Moss, Cooley, and Rabach. Thomas can stay too. But honestly, we need to bring in some young blood. Players that start the game with this offense. We don’t need to be going out and getting old(er) players that have been with other teams.
The best option, I think, is to reboot this team. We may be in the crapper for another 2-3 years, but if Little Baby Boy Danny can get his head out of his rectum and let the team build on themselves, then I think we could be competitors in the near future.
Problem is, Danny will go find someone else he can pay big money for, who will produce maybe a dozen good plays and then will get injured or will just fail to produce. In all seriousness REBUILDING this team from the bottom up is the best option. IMHO
by Rew on Nov 10, 2009 8:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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