Redskins vs Eagles Red Zone Review
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It's never fun reviewing stats like these when your team is averaging 13.2 points a game (holy moly, the Rams are only averaging 9!). Last week against the Chiefs, the Skins only red zone opportunity was the first down after the 73-yard by Portis, and well, the Skins never gained a single yard on that drive after that run. Someone, anyone needs to step up and make a play. The Eagles D, which is great at creating turnovers (+7 this year) seems to sputter when defending the red zone. Sherm Lewis hopefully can figure it out.
| Redskins Red Zone Statistics 2009 | ||
| Redskins Offense | Opponent's Offense | |
| @Giants | 2-3 | 0-3 |
| Rams | 0-5 | 1-3 |
| @Lions | 1-2 | 1-3 |
| Buccaneers | 1-3 | 1-1 |
| @Panthers | 2-3 | 2-3 |
| Chiefs | 0-1 | 0-2 |
| Total | 6-17 | 5-15 |
The Birds red zone statistics are a little misleading since they score so many long TDs. The Eagles are tied for 1st in the NFL with seven 40+ passing yard plays, so Monday will be a HUGE test for Laron Landry. We all know Laron has been playing really far off the line of scrimmage, so presumably, we shouldn't see Landry chasing DeSean Jackson or Maclin from behind.
Eagles Red Zone Statistics 2009
Eagles Offense
Opponent's Offense
@Panthers
3-3
1-3
Saints
1-5
4-6
Chiefs
2-3
2-2
BYE
-
-
Buccaneers
1-1
2-4
@Raiders
0-1
0-1
Total
7-13
9-16
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coach zorn
All of my respect now goes to Coach Zorn for his cool under pressure from Snyderatto. Thank you Hogs Haven, (& Riggo, too) for your insight into what is really happening with this team.
by Horny4Zorny on Oct 24, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely
They def tried to force him to resign to avoid paying him the 1.5 years left of his contract. The way the players backed Zorn again made Snyderatto look like fools. MNF is going to blast the Skins….I just hope the players show fight win or lose.
by KevinE on Oct 25, 2009 3:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about respect
The man is being paid a handsome sum and if he resigns now, it would be incredibly difficult for him to get any decent job, including even what he was before, a lowly quarterbacks coach. Notwithstanding how yes, he has been treated like dirty by Snyder/Cerrato, he has also called a horrendous game and even with decent personnel shat the bed offensively. Even taking into account our pathetic offensive line, given the record-setting poor defenses we faced for the first 6 weeks aside from the Giants we have the personnel to put up more competitive scores than 9-7, 6-14, and and 14-19 to a team that had not won a game in over a year (and most sports people in the media had sounded the alarm of caution about pre-game).
Yes he has been treated like dirt, but let’s not treat Zorn like he’s sliced bread simply because we assume it’s simply another way of contrasting & contravening the confusing and shitty job Snyder & Cerrato have done. Zorn sucks too. He’s just nicer and more direct, that is all. There is no way he can parlay his godawful game-calling and timeout management into an offensive coordinator’s post after this, so of course he will stay, nobody would want to forfeit that money and (even though he’s been stripped of his authority here) step down two rungs of the ladder into a quarterbacks coach gig for an even shittier team.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 25, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
While I don't totally disagree...
I think you’re making a big leap there when you say decent personnel. Once again this offense didn’t blow anyone away at the beginning of last season. However, we were able to compete when our O line was Samuels, Kendell, Rabach, Thomas, Jansen/Heyer. With the exception of Heyer all of those players are NFL caliber offensive linemen, even if they were injury prone and approaching the end of their careers.
At this point we really only have 2 NFL caliber linemen, Dockery and Rabach. The loss of Samuels and Thomas was totally predictable. I question whether any coach could call a solid game when 60 percent of the O-line are simply not people who look like they should be playing in the league, I don’t care who is behind center and I don’t care who is making the play calls. The people who thought JC was the sole problem were outted as the fools they are by Collins’ wonderful performance last week and I have the feeling the same kind of thing is going to happen when Lewis calling the plays makes no difference.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Zorn hasn’t made some very critical errors (because he has). However he’s still a rookie coach and things like that just happen. Hell we had Gibbs, a Hall of Fame coach, make that ridiculous double time out call two years ago. I guess my feeling is that the organization is so dysfunctional that I feel like it’s hard to accurately say what kind of coach Zorn would be on a normal team.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 25, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibbs didn't make that timeout call.
George Michael told the truth behind that buffalo timeout errorr. Some coach came running in his ear sceaming to call timeout and in the heat of the moment he did. Classy guy he is, he took the total blame. He still should have known but u can’t predict situations like that with ur own coaches
by KevinE on Oct 25, 2009 10:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that our O-line is godawful compared to the average NFL team, but we faced nothing short of embarrassingly terrible defenses during these first 6 weeks outside of the Giants. Decent personnel = Decent personnel relative to the caliber of teams we faced. Their defenses were abominations and despite a weak O-line relative to the average NFL team, Shaun Suisham should not have been our highest point-totaler & most potent offensive weapon in terms of results. Even with a poor O-line, facing equally if not more poor defenses during these 6 weeks, the scores we achieved against those teams are patently inexcusable.
I find that our disgust for Snyder & Cerrato (which is completely founded) has become so irrepressive that almost any time the few of us who point out that Zorn in his capacity as coach has done as horrible a job as is possible with the unquestionably bad team Snyder & Cerrato have impetuously assembled like children with a combination of fantasy players and erector-sets, many persons’ reflex is to mitigate Zorn’s equally humiliating shortcomings because he is the polar opposite of what Snyder & Cerrato are to all of us – he has to speak to us post-game in conference & has to face public scrutiny face-to-face rather than through the tinted space of the luxury box. My point is that as godawful a mishmash of free agents and bad picks Snyder & Cerrato have put together, Zorn has done about as horrible as a coach & offensive coordinator could do with the personnel we have against these winless, hapless defenses.
Also, I disagree with “he’s a rookie coach & things like that just happen.” If that implies that we have to go through rookie motions & mistakes with a coach of all people then I disagree, because we don’t pay & hire head coaches to learn on the job. And thanks KevinE, yes Gibbs’s timeout was later outed as a false-positive of bad game-calling because a nearby coach clearly ambushed him with screams to call time and Gibbs simply reacted as almost any coach would have. Zorn on the other hand has demonstrated a clear ability to commit horrible time-out mistakes single-handedly, which again is inexcusable. With any other team, Zorn wouldn’t make it, simply a glance at his resume is a pretty stark indice that the man was never meant to make this jump, and judging from his results as o-coordinator of the Redskins, he will be extremely lucky to segue his terrible performance here even to a quarterbacks coach of a good organization, i don’t think there is any question he will not become an offensive coordinator anywhere for a long, long time.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 26, 2009 5:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, very well said GTS
Zorn is not and in my opinion will not be a NFL level head coach: Some basic examples:
1. Does not believe he has to build excitement in his players, they are grown men and will play the game as Zorn has said, The NFL is a game of emotions and can turn depending on the emotions of the team. A stay medium attitude does not work.
2. Zorn is a work in process Offensive Coordinator, who has yet to design a plan which will work. In the “5 questions with an Eagles Fan” The eagles fan rightlyfully so was concerned how Reed doesn’t adjust his play calling when it doesn’t work, Reed is a good coach but this one minor flaw may have been what has kept him from winning the SB. Adjustments…Zorn can not even develop a game plan which can score points let alone have to make adjustments.
Zorn is not a HC, Without GM it won’t get too much better
by dr WNC on Oct 26, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
you’re right and I’m allowing my dislike of the Snyder operation to give Zorn more slack than I otherwise would. I do definitely feel for the guy and I do agree that he’s in way over his head.
Also I accept the correction on the Gibbs thing. Somehow I either missed or forgot about the clarification on what that actually happened with that.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 26, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he will be
coaching “Ankle-biters” next year.
by CJHutch on Oct 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the Riggins quote CJHutch and I agree. SkinsOsTerps we’re still on the same page, Zorn has done as horrible a job as possible with our personnel, and Snyder and Cerrato have done as horrible an owner and quote-unquote “Vice President for Football Operations” could disrupt and poison a proud organization. I wish I had more time than to post every now-&-then and write zero lengthy pieces for the blog, but I think it would be awesome if someone scouted all of the prospective coaches who could replace Zorn at season’s end.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 26, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't it ironic
that BOTH times Gibbs left, he “suggested” his defensive coordinator take over, and BOTH times the D-coordinator was disrespected, AND both times they brought in a soft, whiney “offensive wizard” instead? Obviously Petitbon was given a year, but he still didn’t get a fair shake.
It’s no wonder Gibbs “Laughed off rumors of returning to DC.” Why would he? Both times he’s left, they didn’t take his advice, and the franchise went into a tailspin.
by CJHutch on Oct 26, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know!
I wish there had been some coherent pub about why Snyder fired G. Williams, all that’s gotten off-the-record press so far has been that Williams perturbed Snyder with the Sean Taylor tribute without consulting Gibbs and/or said something bad about Gibbs. “Soft, whiney offensive wizard” is so on point, that was extremely well put.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 26, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now Williams has the Saints defense ballhawking, while Blache underutilizes our defense and hides from public accountability & the media, and our coach is as horrible an embarrassment in terms of coaching, as our awful owner & his toadie Cerrato are an absolute sham embarrassment to ownership and front-office management.
by Grand Tanyon Sturtze on Oct 26, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's easy
to figure out really. Williams wanted to do things HIS way. He admitted to saying as much. Snyder wanted a(nother) YES man, so he ended up with Zorn. Basically, I feel like Williams refused to kiss Snyder’s ring. That is the only reason for Snyder purposely dragging the guy along and embarrassing him like that. The little imp gets off by publicly emasculating people.
by CJHutch on Oct 26, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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