Redskins Fans: The Revolution Rolls On - We Need Your Support
You have all been asking me what the next step is in this thing, and I am here to lay it out for you today. I am still not ready to lead any kind of universal boycott of all things Redskins but I think we have found an interesting concept that might be a happy medium at these early stages of our struggle.
For those who attend games as season ticket holders, you have witnessed countless Sundays when fans of the opposing teams have found tickets ridiculously easy to come by. Eagles fans, Giants fans, and Cowgirls fans have all infiltrated our home field and with the added insult of paying less to see the game than we paid up front.
Our suggestion is very simple: If your season tickets are up for renewal at the end of this season, DON'T RENEW. Tickets will still be readily available for thegames you wish to attend. Many of you came to this decision already without the need of a Revolution to guide you. Our idea is rooted in a few things:
1) The "Waiting List" is total crap. As a current season ticket holder, I was offered additional season tickets at the beginning of this season for 50% off! HALF-PRICE! Does that sound like a business that has tens of thousands of fans lined up to pay top dollar for their product? This story has been repeated to me by countless fellow season ticket holders.
2) The secondary market has become a primary means of securing tickets. And right now that market is flush with fans of opposing teams. Wouldn't it be great if Redskins fans were the ones looking to purchase those tickets? We all know people who sell their tickets. We all know that true Redskins fans would prefer to sell to only true Redskins fans. Well, the problem is, the majority of Redskins fans who are willing to pay money to support Dan Snyder's team have already paid in full, up front. We know tickets would be available to us for each and every game that we wanted to go to, and we would pay up to full value on a game-by-game basis if the market for that game warranted such a price. The market has NOT warranted that for a very long time. I see people giving away their tickets for pennies on the dollar every week. The difference between what they can get for their ticket and what they paid for it all goes to one place: Dan Snyder. We need to re-capture those dollars.
This would mean a little more uncertainty about planning your falls for the next year or so, because you wouldn't get your book of tickets. But I am confident that on the Craigslist-type places, Redskins fans could become a little more savvy about how to both sell and buy the tickets that are out there to ensure that the true fans are getting access to them.
I do worry about the brokers and speculative buyers dominating the market, but as we recently found out, that was happening already. And most of those brokers were unloading tickets at a loss anyway. It should be Redskins fans getting those savings! While I know we here at Hogs Haven could not become any kind of ticket broker or market, I am sure that if we banded together, we could ensure fair treatment to everyone on board the Revolution with brokers and secondary market sellers.
3) Everyone who intends to continue buying season tickets--even the year-to-year folks--we would be confident that you would be going to the games. After all, you are essentially losing money when you stroke the check for a season ticket. It is worse than buying a new car! You could be losing up to 50% of your money from a value-perspective just by mailing in your check to buy season tickets! And our mission is always to pack home games with true Redskins fans. So if it continues to be worth it to you to pay up front to go to games, we look forward to seeing you there--we just hope you won't hold it against us that we are going to pay less for our tickets than you.
If we are right and the "Waiting List" is a complete joke, the decline in season ticket renewals will have a very material impact on Dan Snyder's operation. Then we would be able to go to him and demand things like:
a) Fire Vinny Cerrato
b) Hire a proven, credentialed football mind to run this team
Once the team finds a new direction and commits to it, we could then begin the second phase of this plan, which is for the Redskins to embrace what so many other sports venues in this country have: a huge section of the stadium that everyone (opposing teams, Redskins players, fellow fans) knows is for the hardcore fans, named appropriately and rabidly attended. The Revolution will have its own section at Fedex...oh yes it will. It will be constant pandemonium and noise (except when our offense is on the field), with nobody asking you to sit down or be quiet in the middle of a freaking football game. And no Eagles fan, or Cowgirls fan would dare show up to our section and cause a stir. Some of the character lacking at Fedex that was always part of RFK experiences is lost because the fans have been divided and conquered. We have no "Dog Pound", "Black Hole", or "Screaming Eagles" type of section that helps get the stadium pumped up. All we have is the PA announcer making sure the sleepy fans know it is 3rd down. It is an embarrassment and a shame because Redskins fans deserve to have such a fan presence at games. It could only enhance the gameday experience and it could only add to the character of the stadium. We love the team and our fan leadership would be a welcome change to the direction of the PA announcer that drives most of us nuts.
If and when the team finds itself needing to find a home for gigantic blocks of tickets that aren't being sold to the "Waiting List" or to brokers, they can fill a whole section (or more) with just members of the Revolution, at a price that we all agree is acceptable. And only after the franchise pursues a direction that inspires the most ardent fans to attend in force. If they hired a bona fide GM and empowered him to move the team forward, I would feel a LOT better about shelling out dough to this team...wouldn't you?
We will be posting our second letter to Dan Snyder tomorrow with the address for anyone that wishes to print it out and send it off. I will also link to last week's letter as well (which has been edited and proofed by as many people as I could find...hehehe.)
Thanks for all your emails and kind words of encouragement and support. I look forward to the suggestions and ideas in the comments section that will make today's post even better. I will implement any and all good ideas into the letter tomorrow. We can get through this dark period together and if we play our cards right, we can have a positive impact on the team we all love. Keep your heads up Redskins fans. The Revolution is rolling.
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To clarify...
I am trying to appeal to folks who are wary of re-upping for next year, but do still want to go to games and enjoy the Sunday experience. I believe tickets will be available and in fact cheaper. Assuming that the Waiting List is a farce, opportunities to buy back in when the team started improving would be available, and if they gave us a whole section (I know I’m dreaming right now, but who cares), we could all go to games together and help change the league-wide perception of Redskins fans.
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heres the problem...
No matter what happens, if you don’t renew, someone else is going to buy the tickets that has been waiting forever! (Don’t you and Kevin sit in the non-football, whoops, I mean club section? Which is a totally different ticket situation.)
The fact of the matter is as soon as Week 16 is over and even before we will be hearing new head coaching names. There will also be speculation over what QB we will draft (You know it is going to happen) and before the draft we’ll probably sign a couple of free agents. This will get everyone pumped and reenergized and you’ll find yourself at FedEx come August. You can sit here and say that you’ve had enough and you won’t have these feeling but you know deep down that you will.
by pas493 on Oct 21, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are done with the club level though
And we aren’t renewing. We will still go to games when we can buy the tickets cheaply. But the fact of the matter is they are losing me as a season ticket holder. Nothing they do will change that because I know I can still go to games when I want to for a discount. The more people who realize that and begin eliminating Snyder from that part of the equation the better.
There are some people who will step in and buy the seats, but there are lots of people who will just as soon buy tickets for a few games a year and call it a day. For every home game this year so far, I have had people offer me cheap tickets—in all levels of the stadium. I don’t expect that to change overnight.
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“No matter what happens, if you don’t renew, someone else is going to buy the tickets that has been waiting forever!”
The wait was only four years when my brother got his tickets two years ago. I expect it is close to gone by now.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep getting offered seats and turn them down every year.
Three and counting.
by brettpedigo on Oct 21, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The stadium is too big
It is huge bowl of greed. no personality. It needs to be 75,000 maximum seats with a kick ass archaical plan that rivals the new stadiums (minus Jerry Jones piece of garbage. I man, speak of Fex Ex: the new generation. Wow did he miss the boat!!!!!). Eagles, Baltimore, the proposed stadium in LA….
by brettpedigo on Oct 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This should really piss people off...
Take 5 min to read this.
by word2bigbird on Oct 21, 2009 1:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that was an amazing article
It just hurts to think of how close we were to not having Snyder…We could still be bad without Snyder, but it probably wouldn’t feel this bad.
I love how he calls out the Skins for suing season ticket holders.
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
that did piss me off.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 21, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i want...
him to buy back the team.
we should all boycott for as long as it takes until snyder bleeds cash. b/c we all know snyder isnt going to change.
by word2bigbird on Oct 21, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know this
is gonna draw some ire, but I don’t think John Cooke would’ve been a good owner either. Better than Snyder? Probably. But a winner? I don’t think so. He didn’t have it, and I think Sonny was right. I think his Dad knew he wasn’t cut out for it. Just look at his statement about Turner. Given him more time? How much time do you need? I mean, Snyder has made this franchise a joke, but Turner had already turned it into a losing team. And, it’s kind of hypocritical for him to say that you’ve “gotta give a guy a chance”, when they didn’t do the same for Pettibon.
Bottom line – yes, I would rather have lil’ Cooke than Snyder. That’s an easy call. But that doesn’t mean the team would be a winner. And it also doesn’t mean he’d still have it. He couldn’t come up with the money to buy it, so how do we know he’d be able to keep it? I just don’t think he had the same acumen for these things that his dad did. And like I said, I think his dad knew that.
by CJHutch on Oct 21, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have hired a GM and stayed the F- out of the way
and that alone would make him 100x better than Snyder.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had the money
to buy the team. As it states in the article, he made a bid of $750 million and was never given an opportunity to submit a counter bid when Snyder offered $800 million.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 21, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go big or stay home
At 750 he choose to stay home
by dr WNC on Oct 21, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I normally agree with you doc
but on this one, I disagree. Now, maybe he had the wrong advisors, but he was assured that $750 million would seal the deal. Make that he had the wrong advisors…not maybe. Regardless, he stepped up to the plate.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 21, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, me too
I remember the league wanting the Cooke family to keep the team more than anything else. I don’t think it was a silent auction. I think he just had less money than Milstein.
He would have hired a GM and stayed the F- out of the way
Actually, no. He already a GM. And I don’t think Casserly was doing that great a job at the time either. (Again – perspective- YES would take him in an instant right now.) He also had Turner, and was apparently happy with him. That alone shows me he was somewhat delusional.
by CJHutch on Oct 21, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milstein
was a non-factor. When he was the majority partner and Snyder was minority, the league didn’t want anything to do with them. They were backing everything with real estate holdings. It wasn’t until Snyder became the majority partner that the league agreed to the sale.
by grandpa grouse on Oct 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure he was
but his big made Cooke a non factor. And, despite what Cooke says, I’m pretty sure the league gave him the chance to match the offer. I think he was stretched as thin as possible.
by CJHutch on Oct 21, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being willing to hire/keep a GM. PERIOD
makes you 100x better than Snyder.
1000x even.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well yeah, I guess
My real point is, it’s all spilled milk. Daniel Snyder owns the team
It may have been better, it may not…I too tend to side with Sonny on this one…JKC would’ve have kept it in the family if he thought it was the best move…
by dr WNC on Oct 21, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Man- the stadium was so empty last week.
And as much as it pains me to see the franchise in such disarray, it hits Snyder right in the wallet.
He lost a lot of $$$ last weekend with a stadium that was maybe half full.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really didn’t think it was that much emptier than the Bucs and Rams games. And I would imagine that the nasty weather played a larger factor.
by pas493 on Oct 21, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it was pretty empty during the Bucs and Rams games
60-70% at most.
That’s 30-40% of lost concession profits.
That’s a lot.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 attendance
8/22 Steelers, 68,243
8/28 Patriots, 69,384
9/20 Rams, 87,780
10/4 Buccaneers, 86,412
10/18 Chiefs, 79,572
10/26 Eagles,
11/15 Broncos,
12/6 Saints,
12/21 Giants,
12/27 Cowboys,
http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?p=4046596
Expect to see a much bigger crowd for this Eagles Monday night televised game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
eagle fans
have had no issue with coming down here and taking over the stadium. i suspect this week will be no different. You would think a few o=more of these kinds of days would be another indicator. But i doubt it. Maybe Vinny will get on the air and blame the fans again for selling their seats to opposing team fans like he did after the Steeler game.
by monk81 on Oct 21, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha
there were NOT 87,000 people at the Rams game. I was there.
Not even close.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That’s how many tickets were sold, so Snyder’s money isn’t hurting as much as we all would like.
by bigrm18 on Oct 21, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's not.
but I stand by my point that having 2/3rd of the people show up, instead of 100%, can’t be making him or his wallet happy.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like smutsboy1 said, at least they didn’t bring any dollars for parking, concessions, and merch
Speaking of merch- someone mentioned wearing Ravens gear to games. That must have stuck with me, because last nightI had a dream that the Hogettes were on TV dressed head to toe in purple.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
91,000 tickets were sold. The 87,000 is the announced attendance, and it is a blatant lie.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs game
Maybe there were 60,000 there. Maybe. Nowhere near what Snyder claims the attendance was.
by williamhudsonlink on Oct 21, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snyder is such an ass
I know i s redundant, but it makes me feel better.
How do you think he feels having that article printed about what could have been? and for him to pass the team down, PLEASE do not let him procreate.
by brettpedigo on Oct 21, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey skin fans....
would love an outside opinion. both sides are biased….
http://www.battleredblog.com/2009/10/21/1094523/wayne-vs-johnson
You are banned from Music City Miracles. (twice)
You are banned from Blogging The Boys.
by chrisd21 on Oct 21, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, what?
I’m wearing a burgundy-and-gold armband around Boston on Sundays and fantasizing about what we can cook up to put some more public embarassment on Redskins ownership- BUT I think that the plan to let your season tix go and buy through stubhub is probably hurting you more than Danny in the short term and long term.
The secondary ticket market is lucrative for sports franchises. It gives them an avenue to basically sell, according to demand, for above the face value. Franchises are earmarking more and more tickets for secondary sellers every year- with the volume that the big online resellers do, they are a bigger sure thing than the season ticket holders.
There certainly is a waiting list for season tickets- and the people on it are generally third on Danny’s list of priorities behind (1) premium customers and (2) stub hub. Why do you think the organization goes so crazy when season ticket holders resell? It’s because there are profits being made that the Redskins could have had a piece of if they hadn’t set those tix aside for season ticket holders.
I’m not saying that you should keep paying to see a team you don’t want to watch. I’m just saying that cancelling your season tix but continuing to go to fedex not only puts you at the back of line, but puts more money in Danny’s pocket and rewards a reprehensible business practice to boot.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I appreciate this feedback
Trying to fidn the right way to get this done…Right now, it just kills to know that I could be going to games for half the price I pay.
Also, I think a sponsored fan section with diehards is a slamdunk idea.
We will tighten this up somehow.
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now, it just kills to know that I could be going to games for half the price I pay.
Thats true this year but in other years it could be the exact opposite.
by pas493 on Oct 21, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do LOVE the idea of a die-hards section. Everything else aside, there is nothing better than watching a game shoulder to shoulder with people who are as crazy as you are.
I’m curious about the letter you mentioned offering tickets for half price. Was it in the same section or was it an upgrade? Are your tickets in a high price bracket?
pas493 hits the nail on the head. If resellers are taking a loss right now, it’s the first time. The recession is hitting the sports and entertainment sectors pretty hard, so it is conceivable. Still, things are bouncing back and season tickets are a long-term commitment.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the first time at all...
I have been a season ticket holder for 10 years and I tailgate with guys who sit in every level of the stadium. There have been LONG stretches of time when the tickets have been worthless. The Skins will give you right of first refusal on your seats on a year-to-year basis.
I think what the thrust should be is not buying your tickets from StubHub, but buying your tickets direct from those people you know that are putting the tickets they don’t want on StubHub. For example, I know of three family members who make up 6 season tickets that try and find people to take games here and there and have been unable to do so for anywhere close to their cost for some time. So I would get my tickets from them for example. So Snyder gains no new season ticket holders buit I still go to games and root for the team.
Then when we get our own section, it’s all good
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for educating me. I definitely didn’t realize there had been so many times that you couldn’t make back your ticket price. Friends that I have been speaking to about this, who have only had their tickets for a few years, had given me a very different picture.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
get your tix
on ebay . You will save a ton of money in the long run this way, instead of buying season tickets from Snyder
by williamhudsonlink on Oct 21, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 21, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you have a couple things wrong
“The secondary ticket market is lucrative for sports franchises. It gives them an avenue to basically sell, according to demand, for above the face value”
The “secondary market” is when fans re-sell their tickets. That is good for Snyder when fans use StubHub because he gets a cut. But buying tickets through Ebay or Craigslist doesn’t give Snyder any more money.
I believe you are referring to the Redskins directly selling single game tickets. Whether single game sales are better or worse for Snyder depends upon the year. To sell single game tickets to the Chiefs game would have only netted the Redskins about $20 per year whereas they got $70 from suckers like me. In winning years, the Redskins may be able to sell for more than the face value. When do you expect that to happen :(?
“There certainly is a waiting list for season tickets- and the people on it are generally third on Danny’s list of priorities behind (1) premium customers and (2) stub hub.”
As far as I can tell, Snyder doesn’t sell directly to StubHub. And the waiting list is only a couple of years long now (my bro got off after 4 years – two years ago). After the mass exodus of season tickets holders last year and this coming year (My brother and I are giving up our five tickets too) I believe Snyder will be forced to sell single-game tickets to avoid a blackout. That will be the straw that breaks the camel’s back once the remaining season tix holders see that they can buy directly from the Skins and just go to the games that they want to (and not pay for preseason).
Giving up your tickets and buying from scalpers (but not StubHub) is a very good idea. I believe though, that we need more. That is why I refuse to buy concessions at FedEx field, and I won’t buy any more merchandise either until Snyder is gone. He doesn’t get one more dime from me.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Lowerbowl seats were packaged with premium seats to be sold to ticketbrokers. But, I don’t see why that means we shouldn’t give up our seats and buy from scalpers.??
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think a lot of the scalpers work for the ticket brokers. I know Main Street Tickets in Gaithersburg sends their workers out with the unsold tickets a few hours before each game. A few times I’ve tried to buy tickets there just prior to the game and they tell me that they have already sent the tickets out to be sold. I just bought a scalped Caps ticket this weekend and it had an account id on it instead of a price. I was thinking that the account id was the brokers account, but maybe it is how Caps season tickets are sold….Skins season tickets have the price on them.
by liger99 on Oct 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Still if we are able to buy for less than face value, Snyder is hurt because these ticket brokers won’t keep buying tickets if they can’t sell them at a profit.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe. The brokers get a good discount b/c they are buying in bulk. I paid $80 per seat for the caps and the face value for the section is $125. It was a saturday game and like 2 hours before the game, I assume they still made money. The Caps will make the playoffs, and I think they will kill it then as well.
by liger99 on Oct 21, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely agree with you, Palace, that when you stick to craig’s list and guys on the street, you are doing nothing to the bottom line.
I only point out that (1) as of 2007 the NFL has deals with the online ticket scalpers. The teams see money from every ticket sold through those sites, whether above or below face value. (2) The ocean of tickets that you can go find right now, in every section, with standardized markups above the face value, is not coming from folks like you and me. It is my contention that fans re-selling their tickets is a very small part of the secondary seller business.
The Redskins are one of the most profitable sports franchises, and just like the Cowboys, the Red Sox, the Yankees, the Lakers, etc etc they use business partnerships to put blocks of gameday tickets through re-sellers first in order to maximize their profit from people who will buy at above face value. Incidentally, every one of the tickets that passes through the re-seller is counted as sold. This is precisely how the Red Sox have maintained their sellout streak while having seats liquid for every section and every game.
I also believe you when you say that they stung you this year- the market crashed, the Skins suck, the fans have giant TVs and empty pockets. At present, it’s a perfect storm…
Next summer, though, the Dow hits 1500, Bill Parcells is GM, Bill Cowher is at the helm, Walter Jones comes in for Rogers and picks, Jimmy Clausen signs for 6/$80M, and all those season tickets stream back to you and me at a mark-up… business as usual.
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now I Understand
The solution as I see it is to weather the storm by buying from scalpers or on ebay and craigslist, while signing up for the waitlist again.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I think that’s what they call “market timing.” =)
by sofutomygaha on Oct 21, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the season ticket non-renewals
There must be a letter. I am currently a season-ticket holder. In fact, I started this year. I was very hesitant to do it, but after this season, I will not renew. When I don’t renew, I will send a letter that describes why I won’t renew. It will be concise and respectful similar to the open letter that Ken wrote. I encourage everyone that does not renew to write a similar letter. Perhaps one of our wordsmithers here can write a template and we can all fill in and send. I think that will send a small message as well.
by monk81 on Oct 21, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It will lead to a small increase in trash/recycling
by pas493 on Oct 21, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Touch
I will do that too.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Renew
The main reason I’d want to keep my tickets is the friends I’ve met in my section over the years….but most of them are gone. I have better things to do with my $.
Pas made an interesting point tho…if Vinny is canned and some OL are drafted…we could be something worth watching.
by KevinE on Oct 21, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know you’ll get excited in the summer Kevin, you were as gitty as a school girl all this past summer.
by pas493 on Oct 21, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible...
But I’ll sit out a year. I’ve turned down free tickets to 2 games this year (so far) b/c I already have my season ticket. I can still enjoy training camp and scalp my way in. People were outside the gates just b4 kickoff this week basically giving em away.
(hint: scalping at the game will save you 25% or more) . MNF last year I got face value.
by KevinE on Oct 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've been shown the bill of goods before
I think that this is a minimum 1-year thing. I think we need to see the improvement first. Every year, we get the free agents and we are tricked into thinking the teams issues are resolved. Lets see a new GM come in, make the right moves (and I actually think we’ll have a good idea of those moves in the first year) and see the direction the team is going. I will be convinced when I see a few things:
1) Snyder is not making football decisions
2) the guy in the GM position has the respect of somebody in the league
3) It is clear that there is a philosophy to where this team is going
4) It is clear that there is a 1 year, 2 year, 5 year plan for how this team is built for consistent play year in and year out (as in, don’t tell me we’re gonna win the super bowl on the first year, I know that is not possible with the changes that need to be made)
5) The next assistant coaches aren’t hired prior to the GM and Head coach.
These are non-negotiable and I am open for other suggestion.
by monk81 on Oct 21, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there needs to be structural, organizational changes
if danny still meddles, and hires inept GMs, then what’s the point? an offensive line version of last year’s redshirt posse?
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 21, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The solution
is to not renew but sign back up on the waiting list. The Skins have been calling people who didn’t renew within the last three years anyway to see if they want to come back. There is nothing to lose by not renewing.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One man's trash
I really hope this message is received and acted upon by lots of people – in the lower sections. I have been slowly but surely snaking my way down the seating chart and would love nothing more than to capitalize on someone else not renewing their tickets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 21, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather watch a good team on tv than a bad one in person.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To each his own
I enjoy tailgating with friends as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 25, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I would love to see you down there
Again, Snyder still loses while people like you win…
This is all I can ask for.
by Sugar on Oct 21, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cancelled after I was moved to the covered lower section after 5 years, but the seats were $79 and behind a pole. I had 4 seats, which ended up making it too difficult to move down. Did you start in the covered section behind the pole and how many seats do you have? I’m wondering if I should have stuck it out a little longer to move down.
by liger99 on Oct 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have 2 now
But I started out with 4. And like you, I found it near impossible to move down where I wanted to be. If most of the people that SAY they won’t renew really don’t, then there may be some opportunities for you next season. Buy low, sell high, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Smith
Is he still a minority owner of the Skins? Any idea of what percent of the team he owns? I know he was trying to buy the Rams this summer and is worth 2.1B. Any chance he can influence Danny?
by liger99 on Oct 21, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe he is still a minority owner, but I don’t know what percentage.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
non-negotiable is key
We have to unite as one for this to work. No ones asking you to hate or boo but we don’t DESERVE this!
We aren’t some team with no history like jaxsonville, Carolina, Seattle or new Orleans. We are the god damed Washington redskins and snyder is tearing apart this storied franchise from the inside out. I’ll never deny my fanhood, but the day I became embarassed was the day the line in th sand was drawn for me.
You ticket holders are the only real voice we of the resitance have. Don’t buy anything there, get your drink on before the game, cheer loud, and put it to that ass snyder anyway you can!
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Oct 21, 2009 2:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
the non-renewal
thing is a good idea. Season ticket sales are the standard by which franchises are measured(outside of the playing field, that it). It’s why they’ll offer you “deals”. It’s like joining a gym. They get your money upfront. Therefor, even if you never go, they still get paid. So that guaranteed money is what they bank on. Take that guarantee away from Snyder, and he starts worrying that the ONLY asset of his that is successful is in trouble. THEN he’ll make a change.
by CJHutch on Oct 21, 2009 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Point
If he has to sell game day tickets, he has a strong financial incentive to put a good product on the field.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was meant as a reply
to CJHutch. Don’t know how I can still forget to click “reply.”
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Improper Technique
While the motives of the revolution are pure i can’t help but feel that you’re going about this the wrong way. Challenging the Danny’s finances and “hitting him where it hurts” are all nice ideas but at the end of the day no organization you put together is going to hurt the man to the point where he considers your requests. He’s a self made billionaire and while that might lend to his arrogance in thinking he can run a football team he’s not about to be outsmarted economically by a bunch of football fans. what you have to realize is that, as tragic as it it, he’s an enormous fan himself, he’s just too full of himself to realize that maybe making money is his thing, not building a football team. what would get his attention is media, just like anything else he’s subject to public opinion. if something like this were to gain any sort of media attention, for example if there was a blackout (where everyone wears black) or a walkout on a game than at least the danny would be guaranteed to recognize how the fanbase feels. something like that would be embarrassing to him and anyone who had as much money as he did at such a young age has to be full enough of himself to be vulnerable to public embarrassment. just think if something like that showed up on espn. don’t try and beat the money man at his own game, more tickets will just get sold to other fans on stubhub. don’t direct any booing at the players, i support every one of them. instead lets continue on directing ire at the top and see what happens. the fan section is a great idea but what we should really do is what we should have done in the first place and move back to RFK.
by tsdobbin on Oct 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying
and I do think anything that gets bad press for him is helpful. I guess the thing is that I feel like it already gets done. The Post unabashedly shits on the dude at every possible turn. No sane fan likes him. The national media doesn’t harp on him as much as it should but when he does come up it’s clear that anyone who has paid the slightest bit of attention to the Skins knows Snyder is a joke. I mean, hell, look at all his efforts to create friendly media with his own channels and radio stations. Yes making money is obviously a consideration in those moves but I don’t buy for a second that he isn’t also trying to set up Snyder friendly media outlets to compete with the traditional sports programming that generally scorn him.
I guess I’m just saying I don’t know that the guy is as vulnerable to bad PR as you think. He has been getting bad PR pretty much since day 1 (remember that cutting down protected trees to improve the view in his backyard thing?) and it still hasn’t stopped him.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 21, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That article
did piss me off!
It put me in a place in time when I was a kid, and all those great names were heard regularly when talking about the Skins. The owner, coaches, and players, and RFK. Legends. History. Tradition. My entire family were die hard Skins fans. Some were fortunate enough to attend games and hold season tickets. I was never so lucky but if the game was on TV you know I was in front of it from start to finish yelling and screaming along with everyone else. As I was reading the article I began to notice how frustrated I was starting to feel. I wonder if todays Skins players even know anything about the way things used to be, or if they are only concerned with that fat contract from Danny. If I was the coach, and cared enough about the team and its tradition, I would make every single player read that damn article and maybe it would pump some life into them.
Granted, the problems arent entirely with the players. The blame is everywhere from top to bottom. But even if they are out coached by the other team, if they are playing with heart, and integrity and passion, they have talent and can compete or at least not get booed out of the stadium. It has got to SUCK to walk off the field at half time, or after an embarrassing loss, while your fans are booing you and have lost all faith. That alone can make them not want to show up next week.
So if you are going to boycott, or not renew your tickets, an empty stadium or a stadium full over opposing fans, is not going to help the psyche of the players, and the performances will only get worse. Be prepared for complete implosion if the boycott catches hold. But maybe that is what is needed at this point. Complete meltdown and start over from scratch.
Sucks to know its going to be a long ass time before we can even discuss a Superbowl run, let alone making the playoffs.
Et lux in tenebris lucet
by burgundyNgold on Oct 21, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
boycott
Go to the games if you must, after all you already paid the dark side for the tickets. But make this protest simple DON’T SPEND YOUR MONEY AT THE GAME.. Hit danny where it hurts most,, Don’t support the Redskin stores at the stadium or at the malls. Stop paying the inflated prices for food, and beverages at the games, or at least cut back. Don’t buy programs. Make them show some respect for the fans, Danny has dumped on us long enough, it’s time we let our voices be heard, by keeping our money in our pockets…Sugar has some good ideas but we need some immediate actions to get Dannys attention….
by GMAX69 on Oct 21, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For a list of sponsors to boycott
see hatetheowner.com and comments there.
by Palace of Good Play's Golden Toilet on Oct 21, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't spend a dime in the stadium Sun.
I am going to the Broncos game in a few weeks (and man won’t that be a shit show?) and I’m planning to not buy anything inside then either. It was actually pretty nice. I only spent 15 bucks and I had all the beer I could drink and all the food I could grill. Good for the wallet and good for the soul.
by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 21, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The financial impact won't do it alone...
As far as ticket revenues go, Danny make more money from advertising and corporate suites than he does from the average fan. If we really want to demonstrate we want change we need to look at cues from other fanbases in the past. The Orioles fans performed their walkout mid game and prompted a chafe in management strategy. Publicity is the way to go in this fight, honestly we can’t compete against Dannys capital, however if the team has negative publicity this will in turn affect his media and advertising income, why do you think they didn’t take a chance on Vick? He knew the negative impact it would have with advertisers and local media. He’s a smart guy when it comes to making money. By creating unified stands of publicly displayed displeasure we can create a negative impact. Using the media would be key in this, such as tipping off the local media about a walk out(when it’ll happen…etc). Getting as much exposure is what will hurt Danny the most. Also someone commented the other day about sending burgandy and gold legos to Snyder. It reminded me of a fan base campaign a couple years back for a tv show called “Jericho”, when it was cancelled after the first season the fan sent thousands of pounds of peanuts to CBS (reference from the show) and they took heed and created a second season to tie up loose ends. Anyways maybe we could do that with burgandy and gold legos or better yet we can all send a jersey of our many not so stellar players back to the team, I could finally get rid of my Heath schuler jersey. Imagine all of our jerseys showing up at fed ex, at best it makes a statement and at worst we lose some crappy jerseys and maybe they get donated to people who are just happy to have something to wear no matter who’s name is on the back.
by rictorcreed on Oct 22, 2009 12:26 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
How Do I Help Get a Boycott Rolling?
New to this site, and I love it, but stronger revolutionary ways are needed in the face of Danny the ego. I really want to find a way to get everyone to BOYCOTT the Monday Night Game. How can I do this? How do I get the word out? Embarrassing Dan in front of a national audience is a great first step. How can i, or some other fan, get a national audience to get to word out to everyone about Snyder. We need to take this team back. It is ours. Snyder has ruined it. Help. I want to make this happen.
by amonk81 on Oct 22, 2009 2:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is my idea
I have an idea for Monday Night, especially for any entrepreneur. Print T shirts with messages like “Fire Danny”, “Sell the Team”, or “Fire Vinny” etc. and sell them every where in the city and at the stadium if possible. The T shirts must be at a price that fans will be willing to buy. If every one in the stadium wears it, it will get on Monday Night Football. I will not take commission for this idea.
by kqlno1 on Oct 22, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is my idea
I forgot one thing: the T shirts must be BLACK, the messages are in white. The stadium will look black in unison. Imagine that Danny will see his stadium in black, not burgundy and white! His PR nightmare to start.
by kqlno1 on Oct 22, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets make an impact now
Hello fellow NFL fans,
My first post and I really like all the ideas and agree that we must take a stand now!!! The T-shirt idea will work nicely if we can be creative with it >>>>>>
Everyone wears a “GREEN T-SHIRT” to the Monday Night game against the Eagles.
Let’s Kill two birds with one stone, Green representing Money/Danny’s greed and also the Eagles team color to piss off Danny and get the attention of the Media.
The T-shirts can read something along the lines of:
“Parking Fee $35”
“Team Payroll $129million”
“Rip off fans priceless”
- The DanVinny Card -
Not accepted anywhere by Redskin fans.
by poolguy916 on Oct 22, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Love the Ideas
T-shirt idea is great. I don’t live in DC, so I can’t be at the game. How can we get this going?
by amonk81 on Oct 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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