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Jason Campbell Gets the Start (Most Likely)

According to ESPN (and not the official Redskins blog), Jason Campbell will get the start vs the Eagles. This is not surprising given Campbell is the best QB the Redskins have right now. I can't help but think if Colt Brennan was active, would he be starting? Certainly the Fan Posts sections would be blowing up with the "START HIM!!" entries. I think at this point we're all in the same realization that it doesn't matter who we have under Center. This team is not going to beat anyone with the current Bingo caller play-caller or set of QBs. 

On the Lavar Arrington show yesterday, Campbell said that in the past he was playing not to make mistakes, but given everything with being benched, he's just going to let it fly and be himself. Monday night for me marks week 1 for Jason Campbell. Let him be himself and use his abilities. If it doesn't work, fine, but trying to mold him into something he's not hasn't worked either. I'll never sit here and say Campbell's a pro-bowl QB, but let him play to his strengths.

I'm not sure if it was a dream or a thought I had, but I was thinking Jim Zorn should play QB this week. He seems to be the only one that can run his offense mistake free, so let's see how he does with this offensive line. Perhaps it would have been better to have DEs running untouched at Jason Campbell during training camp instead of 14 ounce rubber balls.

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Who should start at QB this week?
Campbell
209 votes
Collins
72 votes
Zorn
206 votes

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you mean danny wuerffel’s not on the depth chart anymore?

by A-Frankie on Oct 20, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

While I know he’s not going to set the world on fire or something, I’m interested in seeing what “being himself” is.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’m also interested to know what he means when he says he’s going to “be himself.” Hopefully that means he’s going to throw it down the field a lot more often, (and to our young receivers) which will hopefully open up the running game. But maybe I’m asking too much at this point.

by bigrm18 on Oct 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

It’s kind of similar to what Tony Romo has been like. After a career of being a gunslinger, he didn’t throw for TDs in two consecutive games this season because he was playing timid football, since he didn’t want to turn the ball over.

Hopefully Miles Austin changes that :D

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?

by Grady90 on Oct 20, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tony Romo plays for the Jets?

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I support both the Jets and Cowboys

:)

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?

by Grady90 on Oct 20, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm

why?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've always been a Cowboys fan

I moved to New York a while ago and couldn’t very well support the Giants right?

The Jets are actually a more personal team for me since I’ve actually been to their games.

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5?

by Grady90 on Oct 20, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Saints? Are you transgendered also?

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grady 90: “I’m not sure what I am?”

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On Monday, Theismann

said on his radio show that he thought Campbell gave the Redskins the best chance to win games this season. His rationale was that Campbell is able to make plays with his legs that Collins simply can’t make and with the porous offensive line, the quarterback will have to be scramble/run to keep drives alive.

Personally, I’d like to see the team scrap a lot of the West Coast accessories and attempt to return (to the extent that they are able) to NFC East style football. Basically, this would mean our possessions would go “run, run, run, punt” instead of “pass, run, pass, punt.” BUT, those three consecutive runs would certainly burn more clock and give our defense more time off the field, thereby giving us a better chance to win. Plus, run-blocking is easier than pass-blocking for an inexperienced offensive line.

by artmonk4ever on Oct 20, 2009 10:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is exactly my thinking
His rationale was that Campbell is able to make plays with his legs that Collins simply can’t make and with the porous offensive line, the quarterback will have to be scramble/run to keep drives alive.

Both QBs aren’t going to be very effective, but behind a terrible OL, you can’t have a statue like Collins

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 20, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see more roll-outs...

which would at least get him away from half of the pass rush. Then if he wants to use his legs – go for it. He’s a big guy and can cover 10 yds pretty quick for a QB.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 20, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is not a pass friendly offense for JC

I’m referring to the the WCO, it sucks! It’s very quick reads and let it go. Gibbs never drafted him for that and its not his fault he’s been pushed into it either.

Next year when Campbell is gone hopefully, and he’s playing with some team that suits his strengths and that team does much better than this godforsaken franchise I’ll be rooting for him.

by skinsymets on Oct 20, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

It’s was a classic Snyderrato move: bring in a system and coach completely ill suited to your “franchise” QB

I’m referring to the the WCO, it sucks! It’s very quick reads and let it go. Gibbs never drafted him for that and its not his fault he’s been pushed into it either.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 20, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes sir...

He would be the blue-chipper he can be anywhere else but here!!

JJ Fe

by Rydaddy617 on Oct 20, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Campbell stinks it up this week

put Randle-Smell back there. Then we will have a reason to take him off of punt returns and the redshirts will have to be on the field as receivers.

I’m just kidding, sort of….

by CarverM on Oct 20, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

they are compensatory cajones for what’s lacking on this team.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 20, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was waiting for someone else to pick that one up

he’s been lobbing those lately

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I put it off as long as I could

LOL

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 20, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

drop the WCO

I’ve never been a fan of the WCO and none of our QB’s fit it so no wonder they’re struggling.

Even as I say that I suspect it’s too late in the year to roll out a whole new play book.

We need to back to NFC East football.

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 10:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our offense during the 6-2 run last year

looked alot more like the Joe Gibbs run/screen pass offense than the WCO, and it worked decently.

We can get around some of our OL’s problems if we got back to this stuff, with some QB roll-outs… I feel like our offensive coaching staff is square-pegging it every week.

by CarverM on Oct 20, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen

The hammer has hit the nail on the head
6-2 vs 4-10…the transfer from Gibbs offense to WCO…go figure

by dr WNC on Oct 20, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points

I hadn’t thought of it like that before. I’m glad I’m not the only 1 who dislikes this WCO nonsense.

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG, If JC decides to be himself on Monday night...

I predict he is either in a coma or on life support at halftime with 4 interceptions, 3 fumbles, 6 sacks, and his femur coming through the top of his helmet…keep the medevac warm….

JC can not read the field. Let me say this again. JC can not read the field. After the split second our offensive line give JC a chance to look at a covered Cooley, he will decides to scramble and run, except JC can not run.

he doesn’t hold the ball right when running and he can’t get tacked without getting drilled or contorted.

I think JC must image himself as somewhere between Michael Vick and Randell Cunningham, when in fact he runs more like Jim Plunket or Kurt Warner.

He looks like a wounded Giraffe when he gets out of the pocket.
Am I the only one seeing this?

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yea, you are

as far as the running goes

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Dude

you need to get with reality when it comes to JC. I think most people understand the guy isn’t an HOFer but he does have the ability to make the occasional play with his legs. I know it’s easy to hang onto this crutch of JC being everything wrong with the Redskins. It’s nice to be able to blame one player and ignore the franchise wide problems.

Take a deep breath and know that by next season JC will be gone and we’ll have traded all of our draft picks to move up and get Colt McCoy. He’s so awesome that we’ll be going to the Super Bowl even with Coach Bugel playing right tackle. Then you can be happy.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 20, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think JC must image himself as somewhere between Michael Vick and Randell Cunningham, when in fact he runs more like Jim Plunket or Kurt Warner.

JC has ran the ball more this year than any and picked up a fair number of first downs in big situations. He’s never been a running QB and he knows that, why would you come out with the preconceived notion that he would come out and run around like Vick or Cunningham, (b/c he’s black? and for some reason you think thats what all black QBs do, so you had to name some slow white QBs?).

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

why did you bring race into this you asshole?

no Michael Vick and Randle Cunningham are/were runners and Jim Plunket and Kurt Warner weren’t and are not….this has nothing to do with race….you sorry sack of shit!

JC can’t run and gets lucky when he does pick up the rare first down. All I see with JC being himself is a poor result…but I guess what chance do we have…I am also not saying that JC is our only problem….just one of many….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you must not watch many Redskins games b/c this is demonstrably not true
JC can’t run and gets lucky when he does pick up the rare first down.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 20, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i watch every week and JC gets lucky when he runs

Let me ask a simple question.

Do you want JC while under pressure to scramble and run or step up and throw?

We need quick release plays, 3 step drop plays. They have been the most successful this year, but JC does not make quick decisions. Maybe it’s the play calling.

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently he's never seen JC play in DC or Auburn

The guy has never, ever been a run first QB! But he’s average more yards per carry this year than CP.

But I’m sure JC watches game tape and compares himself to Cunningham and Vick though

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he panics in the pocket. when he was allowed he took off

and looked like a pretzel when he was tackled…if he didn’t couch up the ball.

More yards than CP isn’t saying a lot….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Captain Dickweed, its f’ing crazy that JC is 6th in the league in QB rushing yards and 2nd in First Downs picked up by a QB.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when the only positive stats come from our QB rushing

and he is not all that great at running. nuf said.
The only threat JC running on monday night will be is to himself.

I will be shouting, yet again Monday night. Throw the fucking ball JC. Throw the fucking ball.

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then your whole arguement doesn’t make any sense. You said he can’t effectively run the ball in situations where its a busted play and needs to get to the sticks!

You don’t think this may have to just a little bit with our O-line?

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

absoultly. I am not a complete JC hater...

he is forced into his mediocracy by the lack of O line….but some QBs would still win games…just my opnion…

we will be more successful monday night with runs which set up quick slants and play action that set up medium passes…and the play calling better not be so predictable….no 5 second, where did he go’s, where did he gp’s by JC

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets just say we had a stellar o line...

a fast running back…a good recievers…JC would go from be Mediocre to being less mediocre right now…

now lets say, he left and was put into a good offense with a fast running back, good recievers and a good o line…JC would probably become a good QB…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I read JC being himself meaning....

oh shit here they come….I am taking off…..JC looks most of the time like a deer in the headlights…and I have seen on a number of occasions JC deciding to run rather than throw the ball away with very poor results…

He has been throwing the ball away as of late, but I interupt him being allowed to ‘be himself’ meaning he will scramble and run on Monday night when pressured rather than setup and throw….

now leave the racist rants out of this post….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

huh?!?!?

there have been articles all over the place that JC would rather throw the ball than run. even ZORN wants him to run more than what he does! so where does this idea of yours come from that he thinks of himself as Mike Vick????

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

poopo = Vinny

You and him think alike…

We need quick release plays, 3 step drop plays. They have been the most successful this year, but JC does not make quick decisions. Maybe it’s the play calling.

Those are the most succesful in a WCO, JC is designed to be a shotgun QB or a drop back QB who then has 4 to 5 seconds to read the field (which will never occur with this line).
JC could and would be succesful with a strong line and mostly medium route passes, per the Gibbs I offense.
JC is not suited for WCO, nor are the WR, lineman, TE etc….but square peg may fit in round hole, ask vinny or poopo

by dr WNC on Oct 20, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you find the right guy to call them

the same ol’ plays will magically work.

by CarverM on Oct 20, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh he will be
JC could and would be succesful with a strong line and mostly medium route passes, per the Gibbs I offense.

After the Favruh experiment is over in Minnesota, he’ll go into camp and blow out the other guys they got, then come back and shove it down Danny’s throat.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I have said that JC would be a totally different QB in a better enviornment…and will be when he leaves…

JC is a mediocre QB who panics in this offense and I see him trying to make mircales happen by running on monday night and getting killed…

I hope I am wrong. dead wrong.

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so Vinny's solution is

to keep pounding harder so the square pegs fit!

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is square peg about

having the run set up quick slants and quick TE/SE dumps and having the run setup play action for medium pass plays…and no 5 second drops with JC getting up looking through his earhole…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you calling me Vinny Cerrato?

lol…go to hell…you guys are so full of shit…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously coming from the guy that thinks...

black qbs always want to run the ball and white qbs are slow

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you are such a racist and

you just confirm it with every post. I never said anything about color.

What about Joe Montana, Steve Young, Doug Flutie…I could have used any of those QBs. Randell and Vick came to mind for speed and Plunket, Warner or Favre JaMarcus Russell.

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well why did you say that JC has a mindset like Vick or Cunningham? Just curious? Its not my fault that inherent racism existed in your comments. And it also makes no sense of accusing me to be racist.

Are you sure you’ve ever watched a football game before?

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t, you did inherently, once again.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you said

“b/c he’s black?”

those were your words not mind…racist

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude come on now, I was pointing out that you were making an inherently racist comment. I’m sorry if you don’t understand what you did, but I don’t think claiming that I’m racist for being an advocate to not have a racist comment on this board is going to help anything. You are right, you could of said Doug Flutie, but you didn’t. The fact is your original statement didn’t make any sense b/c JC has never been a run first QB or even resembled one, not at Auburn and not at DC.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again I did not bring race into this...

Cunningham and Vick were probably the most impressive running threats in NFL ever… and Plunkett and Warner are the worst….nothing to do with race….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will agree

that JC has been forced into running a lot but he has to do something and if you don’t throw, you either run or hold onto the ball and get sacked….and my opinion is that he does not look good running and is better as a throwing QB…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does through JC head

when he holds onto the ball and then tries to take off down field….am I Steve Young? am I Vick? Am I Flutie?

This could have been any name or color.

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m going to say none of that crosses his mind b/c he’s Jason Campbell and he’s probably either trying to find an open WR, a way to run to the sticks, or why he’s being put in another pressure situation.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can agree with you that he probably does not consciencly think

that he wants to “be like Mike”…but he must have some sort of delusional unconscious thinking to hold onto the ball with our O line and think he is going to win a game by running….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so why is he on the field?

I don’t think JC will work in this offense. I am not Vinny.

I am stating that in my opinion, if JC is pressured on Monday night (which if I was Sean McDermott I would press the juice out of our recievers and blitz the living shit out of 5 step drop JC like every other team has) JC will run and get his head taken off….

The only way to beat a pressing blitzing defense is to have quick routes and punish them until they back off, then run the ball down their throats until they are confused. Then drop a bomb on them….simple as pie and we don’t do it…not at all….

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what do we have to lose?

But we’re the team with the same game plan vs. every team. Maybe that will change with our new bingo/play caller.

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed. hoping again this week...

…throw the fucking ball JC, throw the fucking ball!

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they were blitzing why do you have to throw quick routes? Why not a draw play or delay screen to use the blitz to your advantage?

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because our O line sucks and

they will kill our backs…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...

we have no o line and that is why we need quick pass plays….WCO or not…..JC will run on Monday night if he drops back for more than 2 seconds…

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Or

Do something not in the WCO
-Use the shotgun
-Route modification based on defense alignment vs timed short quick plays

by dr WNC on Oct 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

give it to Zorny

it’s time to make Snyder pay.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Oct 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Make Cerrato go under center against the Eagles

If he lives, that will teach him REAL quick how important a line is….

by brettpedigo on Oct 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cosign

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol..agreed...a leader should lead by example and

the o line would simultaneously lie down and Vinny’s remaining body parts would be stretchered off real quick…I would give up a down and some yardage for that…

Snyder should go in next and drop into lone shotgun for a QB draw up the middle….the play call and snap count should be broadcast on our jumbotron just before the snap….lol

who’s next?

by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is Campbells team.

And I think he deserves the least amount of blame through all this as anyone else. I still dont think hes had a chance to show what he can do. Hes either being shuffled around different offensive schemes each year, or has no say in the play calls and is held back and has to play it safe.

Ive always wondered…some of the elite QBs in the league, the Favre’s, the Manning’s, Brees…those guys call most of their own plays right? Does JC even have a say or is he allowed to make a suggestion on a play? He knows the play book, hes on the field, he sees the Defense, he should be analyzing whats happening with the D as the game progresses. That is how you learn the game. How is he ever going to fully learn and understand it, and become a leader, on this or any team, if hes not able to start running some plays?

Just a thought.

Et lux in tenebris lucet

by burgundyNgold on Oct 21, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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