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Pour Some Sugar On Me - Redskins Offense, Front Office, and Trade Winds (Things That Blow)

As the NFL trade deadline approaches, I wonder about the team's chance to strengthen its future by trading a player or two off of the current roster. Two things that have plagued this team's ability to get better through trades are the absurdity of the contracts Redskins players carry and the notion that so many players are considered untouchable by the organization.

The rumor mill has Anthony Montgomery on the block. There's some good news and bad news when Vinny decides a player is available to be traded. The good news is that most other general managers in the league probably could care less what Vinny's opinion of a player is when evaluating possible trades with this team. The bad news is that if Vinny doesn't want you on a team that can not afford to lose a single guy with even a shred of talent, you might not get us anything in the way of a trade.

If we truly care about the immediate and long-term future of this team, we have to be willing to trade some players who still have some tread left on their tires. We need to be willing to unload a player who can actually help the team he is going to in return for a much needed draft pick or two. The following are just a few guys I think we should try and trade off in the hopes they net us some valuable picks for next year or even the following year. Let's assume for a moment that these guys could be traded without incurring some kind of debilitating salary cap situation this year.

Star-divide

Antwaan Randle El- I have spent more time bashing the decision to keep him and play him than most other topics. So who do I expect would take this player? A smart team that has the luxury of using him the way he needs to be used and isn't stacked with young, raw talent that needs to get on the field to develop. Look around the league and you see guys like Eddie Royal, Wes Welker, Lance Moore, and even a Johnny Knox and you see how teams are utilizing smaller, speedier receivers out of the slot. RandleEl would be a useful addition to a team in contention that could use him solely in that role. If this team had a few more wins, we could all live with leaving Thomas and Kelly on the bench so that Randle El could find the hole in the middle of the field to help move this offense. But we are already losing, so we absolutely have to spend the rest of the year getting our younger players on the field so that when they bring in the next coaching regime, they know who they have. What would I expect in return for ARE? I think a 5th or 6th rounder that could move higher based on ARE's production over the remainder of the season would be fair.

London Fletcher- This is borderline blasphemous as he is one of if not THE best defensive player we have. That is kind of the point. There has to be a team out there willing to pay us something valuable in return for one of the surest tacklers in the league. He is a player that could absolutely help a team not only make the playoffs but get deep into the postseason. You look at a team like the patriots signing Junior Seau off of the street yet again andyou have to wonder if they would part with one of their million draft picks to have Fletcher in their fold. If a team like that became involved in the discussions for Fletcher, I would bet we could get at least a 4th rounder, with a possible condition escalating that pick based on London's performance.

Shaun Suisham - Just kidding.

Carlos Rogers- His situation is interesting and is actually the same as Jason Campbell's situation. If next year is an uncapped year, neither will be unrestricted free agents due to their lack of the requisite service they would need to qualify (six years.) Rogers is a capable corner, though not an elite cover guy. Either way, he is unhappy, and has postured in the past for a better deal. He could help a team in the secondary for sure and we know that cornerbacks are valuable trading pieces. I would think we could get a conditional 2nd or 3rd roundpick from a team in contention needing to boost their secondary. Even for a guy with no ability to catch the ball.

10 Yard Fight - Ten Chances To Make One Good Point

1) At least we aren't alone when it comes to losing because of red zone difficulties. Matt Forte and the Bears really pulled a Plaxico near the goal line against the Falcons (shot themselves in the foot/leg? can we pull that one back out and use it?) Jay Cutler led the team in rushing--he actually had more rushing yards than Michael Turner AND Matt Forte. You figure Minnesota and New Orleans are cruising for the bye right now, making these two teams probable participants in the wild card round. I wondered how a team led by defense and a punishing run game would blend in Jay Cutler. The question now is how can they blend a running attack into the "Jay Cutler Show" so that if/when they get to the playoffs they have a chance?

2) I was more wrong about the Broncos than I have been about anything football related since I made the bold prediction that Steve Spurrier would succeed at the professional level. I'm sorry, football gods. Hey, I was right about Rich Kotite!?! (sorry, inside joke between me and the football gods.)

3) So I was watching as much of the Bills/Jets game as I could stomach after getting home from my Redskins nightmare and it was like watching a pee-wee game, except not as fun. I had Mark Sanchez, Leon Washington, and Dustin Keller going for me in fantasy, so the overtime period provided an opportunity for me to eek out a few more precious points. Holy crap. The game reminded me of a buddy I had in college who was one of those guys that girls really liked, but he liked beer better. So in order for a girl to have a chance with him, she would have to drink until like 3 or 4 AM. We would watch it go down like it was the Discovery channel. She would be sitting next to him on the couch, desperately trying to stay conscious and he would be sitting there chain-drinking Natural Light cans. Who would win? All he had to do was put the beer down and he had a girl. All she had to was pass out and she could keep her dignity. Both parties were oblivious to this though, much like the Jets and Bills were oblivious to that which would get them the win.

4) I did not see the Patriots/Titans epic, but when I heard that Tom Brady blew up in the snow, I thought, "That's not very nice. Isn't it enough he bangs supermodels and actresses? Beating on a helpless team like that just doesn't seem sporting." When the Titans put Vince Young back in, will it be must-see TV?

5) Oh Philly...Does anyone else out there think Philly losing to the Raiders is a joke God is playing on the Redskins? Because if we were only good enough to beat 3 of the winless teams we faced, we would be playing the Eagles for some actual love and respect next Monday. The Raiders were excellent at bringing down Donovan McNabb with just one guy. He always gets away from the first guy--especially against the Redskins--but the Raiders were able to get him to the ground with the first guy. Very impressive.

6) I thought I was a genius when I stashed away Matt Leinart on my fantasy roster. Kurt Warner is a thousand years old with the body and tread of a TWO thousand-year old dude, right? JEEZ...he just keeps on going. Hasselbeck came back down to earth after his break out game against the Jaguars. The NFC West is going to feature a very interesting, VERY watchable, battle between the 49ers and the Cards down the stretch.

7) Matt Schaub might be made out of glass, but when he stays in the game, he is a hell of a quarterback. Schaub and Coach Kubiak are once again showing that their offense is among the league's most high-powered. The question will become whether they can keep some momentum going. At 3-3, they have a lot of work to do if they want to factor in the AFC playoff picture.

8) Is there anything more enjoyable than watching the Saints on offense? (Unless your team is playing against them of course.) Drew Brees is amazing. Would you rather have him, Peyton or Brady? I am going with Brees. If he can get this team into the Super Bowl, he punches his ticket to Canton.

9) Speaking of Canton, Brett Favre did it again. The way he has been making headlines with his late-game heroics, you might think this Vikings team is potentially vulnerable. But the defense is sound, and as long as Peterson is healthy, that offense is super nasty. Brett Favre is just doing what he does and it has been the perfect addition to what they already had. No way this team has 6 wins without Favre, but they probably have 3-4.

10) The Jaguars came close to doubling up the Rams in time of possession and total yards, yet still needed overtime to dispense with winless team from St. Louis. Garrard had over 300 yards in the air, MJD had over 130 yards on the ground, and Sims-Walker had 120 yards receiving...yet they still needed overtime to beat the Rams. Wow.

Give Me the Numbers, STAT!

I know loose lips sink ships, but as a dedicated reporter, I simply had to publish this: Here are the first ten scripted plays for the Redskins this Monday night against the Iggles:

B56

G42

N38

B27

O55

I44

G32

N17

B18

I21

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Why not Santana?

Look, this team is not one player away. This is team is not one year away. Santana only has about two good years left and the Redskins will probably waste them. You might be able to squeeze a 2nd round pick out of somebody.

Hell, the Raiders might give you a 1st (I think I’m kidding)

by Hustler of Culture on Oct 20, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I left off Santana on purpose to see how mad Kevin would be if I did

The truth is there should be ZERO players on our team not available via trade. Obviously Orakpo is not a guy you would give up for anything less than a fortune but the idea is that nobody should be off the table on a team like this one.

(ok…Orakpo is off the table.)

by Sugar on Oct 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Cooley is on the table Sug?

I’m shocked

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Again, don’t get me wrong…you don’t give away a guy like Cooley, but there is a price that we would find hard to pass up right? Obviously Cooley is a valuable member of the team, but at some price, we would deal him.

Let’s say a team offered us a 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th or something like that. I am completely speaking out the 5-hole, but you get my point. We should be ready and willing to listen to any and all offers.

What scares the pants off of me is that Vinny is still the one deciding.

by Sugar on Oct 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

With all of that, especially the last sentence.

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing you have to look at for every player is: will they still be a valuable member of the team in 5 years?

If no, then they’re very tradeable. If they won’t be good by the time the pieces are around us then they need to go. 5 years may be a little generous also.

Secondary thing is: do they still have at least 2 good years left in them? If not, we might not get enough from them to be worth it.

On the other hand, even a final round draft pick for these guys on their last legs may be valuable to us to rebuild with.

by snowburnt on Oct 20, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Why were at it add JC to that list. 1. He has no contract for next year so lets see if has any value 2. It really doesnt matter the QB behind center with this line anyways.

Samuels and Thomas should be considered done even if they do come back for some time. Rabach is about the only one that maybe can stay another year or two. Basically all these picks are needed for the O-line.

Just a bunch of pot belly pigs on the line now. HAS to be one of the worst O-lines I’ve ever saw play in my life. They are all overachieving right now and that’s an understatement. Phillys blitzing is one of the fastest in the league to the QB. Going to be hilarious to watch.

by skinsymets on Oct 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

That friend of yours sound a lot like someone I know. Yea. Your trade is basically he same idea of “blow it up.” problem is. Vinny doesn’t know how to use draft picks; however, if we’re going to suck it might as well be with young players fighting for a spot versus a free agent guaranteed one because of his high salary.

by KevinE on Oct 20, 2009 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Sounds alot like the way I remember the redskins of the late 90's/early 2000's

we suck, but players leave here to have success with other teams. Perhaps you older guys can correct me on this if I’m wrong.

by CarverM on Oct 20, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

!!

you’d take a 4th rounder for our best player (Fletcher)?

take Fletcher away, I guarantee our defense falls apart. the only position where we have less depth than OT is MLB. Who would play middle, Blades? That would be even more disasterous.

by mmford10 on Oct 20, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Any and all trades...

…make sense to me. At this point, the team should stop caring about how many games it wins. Instead, the rest of the season should be a trail period to see which of the younger players on our roster/practice squad are worth keeping.

by artmonk4ever on Oct 20, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I vote yes

For the use of Plaxico where shooting yourself in the foot is involved

by snowburnt on Oct 20, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

But.....they think it's Zorn's fault

So sports nation thinks Zorn is the reason for the Skins failure…not the front office.
Goes to show you what a Sportsnation thinks…Get rid of Zorn and the problem is fixed

by dr WNC on Oct 20, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fall guy.

too bad, too. I really like him. And Campbell for that matter.

by brettpedigo on Oct 20, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zorn is a great guy, but he has straight up lost at least one if not two games this year with his decision making and playcalling. He may not be “the” problem but he is “a” problem without question.

by Mixmy1200s on Oct 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is the Head coach

but it’s the entire Offensive coaching staff, not just Zorn

by dr WNC on Oct 20, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

salaries need to come into play

with all of this. And that will be the hard part because we have so many over paid players. If this website is accurate: http://www.thehogs.net/washington-redskins/salary.php?search=TotalCapHit

then I’d say CP, Moss, Landry, Hall, Smoot, ARE, Rabach, Dockery, Collins and Betts are all over paid. That will make them difficult to deal.

If next year is not a cap year can we just cut them loose to avoid all of those ridiculous years they have on their contract?

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 2:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, we can cut them since there is no cap hit

Snyder swallows a lot of cash already spent though w/ the bonuses. No way they do that unless a GM comes in and demands that….which we all know is not likely.

by KevinE on Oct 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the answer

Then I’m all for doing some house cleaning! Not only does the player need to play well, he also needs to play as well as he’s getting paid for!

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look what Belichek did.

5-11. Crappy team that Pete Carroll ruined. He turned it around immediately. Of course, having Brady helped. If the Tyrant wants to win, bring in a well respected GM. Let him have his coach. We could be the Broncos of this year next year!!!

by brettpedigo on Oct 20, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would let

VA_Skin and pas take turns providing you with a happy ending if we traded Randle El. ESPECIALLY if we got something for him in return. Right now I’d take a 7th rounder for him. Too bad we can’t find a sucker for Betts.
Anyway, I agree that the whole nobody on the roster should be safe from trade. I love Rak, Cooley, Fletcher, and, uh……..Well, that’s about it. OK, Mason. But I’m not sure we could swing anything for him right now. Rak you don’t trade. Cooley and Fletch would have to bring something substantial back. Probably Jarmon as well. But anyone else? I’d bust a nut if we went into the draft with EXTRA picks by unloading some of the carcasses we have.

OK, here’s where I get kooky. I actually think Snyder just MAY sign a GM of some sort. I just feel like this season has brought him back to 8th grade when EVERYONE was laughing at him being stuffed into his locker sporting a super-wedgie. If that’s the case, I really do think he will FINALLY listen to the rest of the WORLD and get someone in there who knows what they’re doing. And if that happens, then any EXTRA picks we could get would put us that much closer to cleaning up this mess.

PUFF-PUFF….

by CJHutch on Oct 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's given no hint of this whatsoever.
I just feel like this season has brought him back to 8th grade when EVERYONE was laughing at him being stuffed into his locker sporting a super-wedgie.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 20, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The super-wedgie is coming when FedEx is filled with eagles/giants/dallas fans for the NFC East games….and we take a beating. It is going to hurt, but hopefully it will wake Danny up and force him to do the right thing.

by liger99 on Oct 20, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually want to keep ARE and use him properly. Play him in the slot and put the two big WRs (Redshirts) on the outsied. ARE is an effective slot receiver. But yank his ass out of any duty outside of that. I’d rather see Moss go b/c he probably has more value and he’s not doing much of anything for us.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Never really thought about it, why do you think moss would be better? I think ARE has more range in catching errant passes, where moss seems like he doesn’t have as much range.

by pas493 on Oct 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on what you mean by range

i like what moss can do in an open field more than ARE at this point. especially with no one but slower linebackers around. as far as catching the errant pass, I think it could go either way because we’ve all seen Moss make some circus catches before.

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think so too

and what do we have to lose? Moss has had 1 good game this year and a couple good moments but nothing consistent so something needs to change.

by aFan4Life on Oct 21, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree CJ

I think we might even see Vinny go after the shitstorm surrounding this season. Snyder would never admit it’s his fault meaning sooner or later Vinny becomes the scape goat.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

puff, puff, pass

by grandpa grouse on Oct 20, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

good plan but....

Folks, when you trade someone away, their signing bonuses accelerate and count at the time of the trade. That makes virtually everyone untradable because we like giving massive long-term signing bonuses.
I disagree with the picks that we could trade though. For example, Fletcher wouldn’t be worth anything less than a 2nd rounder to me. It has to be equal to the value he is to our team. I understand that its tough to get max value right now, but i see a guy like Fletcher being invaluable in the new regime. His experience will help the new young guys get it together fast. He will help enforce the new regime’s plan.
Having said that, Cooley, Orakpo, Fletcher, and Horton are untradeable. These are guys you need to stay and help the transition. These are guys who will take the new coaches (and God -willing and GM) schemes and discipline.

by monk81 on Oct 20, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes

which is why I would cut players next year if they aren’t playing as well as their salary cap indicates they should play. That way they won’t hurt us in the long run. Short term pain for long term pay off. I say that because I’m guessing that eventually the CBA will be re-established and then it will be hard to get rid of the over priced players. So clean house while you can do it without hurting the team 2-5 years down the road.

At this point ARE is adding nothing to the team, CP isn’t worth 1/2 of his pay nor is Betts and RB’s aren’t that hard to find in the draft.

by aFan4Life on Oct 20, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monk

We discussed this on an earlier thread and if next year is uncapped Snyder can make those trades without damaging the cap. It would cost him tons of money but not against a future cap(if there is one). I would not hate Snyder quite so much if he decied to take advantage of the uncapped year to trade or cut every bad contract we have and just start over(hopefully with a GM). Your completely right about the cap hits accelerating for trades(something most people overlook) but if next year is uncapped it won’t apply.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 20, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm cynical

that next year will be uncapped. I think they will put something in place or lock out the players. But I see your point.

by monk81 on Oct 20, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't be surprised

if you’re right in that they’ll probably put something in place. To me it depends on how upset the 2 sides are with each other. As I understand it, there’s a deadlock because the players union wants the teams to open their books so they can get an accurate idea of what the team profits are and the owners are saying “no way”. That might be enough of an issue to keep it deadlocked so it really does become a year without a salary cap.

by aFan4Life on Oct 21, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the other thing...

NFL trades don’t happen as often as you would suggest. This isn’t the NBA when the entire league does a Chinese fire drill with every player in the last 14 years of their contracts. Trades just aren’t that common. There may be 2 trades in the entire league before the deadline. So I just don’t think any of this will happen. Especially if we want to get close to full value.

by monk81 on Oct 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Getting realistic about it

I think that the more likely alternative would be to simply stop throwing our draft picks away (though the Jarmon move did make sense). As much as the idea of cutting dead weight appeals to me it’s going to take a couple years. The best thing that could happen would be for the front office to accept that we are nowhere near a year away from contention. No longer mortgaging the future would go a long way.

by SkinsOsTerps on Oct 20, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Other teams practice squads

amount to 6th through 7th round draft picks. Some guards and tackles on other teams’
practice squads are better than some linemen on the Skins active roster. This is a cheap proposition.

by Jefferson1935 on Oct 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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