Blocked Punt
by pas493 on Oct 19, 2009 11:54 AM EDT
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For the second week in a row it seemed like the ref didn't know what the hell was going on during a special teams play.
Can anyone clarify what the rule is on blocked punt situations (I would look it up but, once again, the NFL doesn't publish their rulebook). I was under the impression if the Receiving team blocks the ball and it is recovered by the kicking team beyond the neutral zone then the kicking teams gets the ball 1st and 10 at that spot, or I had the thought that the kicking team has to advance the ball past the 1st down markers.
Why was Rock allowed to run to the end zone? Why no whistle? The ref didn't really give a clear cut explanation.
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I may be mistaken
but it appeared that the punt was blocked by our own player being blocked into the ball , which would make it illegal touching but I only seen it on TV and they didnt show much of a replay so I may be wrong !
by skinaholic on Oct 19, 2009 12:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
here u go
4. Any punt that is blocked and does not cross the line of scrimmage can be recovered and advanced by either team. However, if offensive team recovers it must make the yardage necessary for its first down to retain possession if punt was on fourth down.
5. The kicking team may never advance its own kick even though legal recovery is made beyond the line of scrimmage. Possession only
by skinaholic on Oct 19, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we can recover it behind the line of scrimmage and advance it to either have a turnover on downs or a first down.
by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was ruled illegal touching...
but I’m not 100% certain what that means.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 19, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Illegal touching is what the “penalty” is that occurs when a team “downs” a kick. The result of illegal touching is that the ball turns over to the other team where the ball was touched.
by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no the ref was actually watching...
the redskins owners box and Cerrato was called for illegal touching….it was a mixup.
No really, I thought the ball was blocked by the Cheifs and rolled past the 1st down markers where Rock pushed it along picked it up and ran for a touchdown. I thought that any punt touched by the defensive team became a live ball. The only other explaination is that it hit one of our offensive players first, but I didn’t see that happen.
Some times it just seems that the refs make this shit up as they go along…
by poopo on Oct 19, 2009 12:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did the ball
pass the line of scrimmage ? Because if it did it would be illegal touching , If not then we would have to recover the ball ( behind the line of scrimmage ) and advance it passed the first down marker !
by skinaholic on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like
the ball hit a cheif behind the LOS and rolled past the LOS and Rock tried to pick it up shoving it along the ground until he could pick it up and he was beyond the first down marker.
It looked like a live ball situation to me…
by poopo on Oct 19, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the ball goes in front of the LOS without us recovering it, it’s a turnover regardless of how it gets there.
by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
frankly
I wasn’t sure exactly what happened, and I don’t think the refs knew either. I just figured they saw us score a TD and automatically KNEW something was wrong with that picture.
by CJHutch on Oct 19, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And Rock...
even hesitated not knowing if the ball was blown dead. But it kinda looked like he was having second thoughts about crossing into the end zone – where it is rumored that strange and mysterious things happen – not that we will find out any time soon.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 19, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the NFL:
Too many crazy ass rules that don’t make any sense or take 3 chapters to explain.
half the rules are too subjective including pass interference and most personal fouls (roughing the passer is a tricky one of late)
by snowburnt on Oct 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that rule makes complete sense. Why should the team punting the ball benefit from having the punt blocked?
by JComp11 on Oct 19, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not saying its that, its just that too many NFL rules are open to referee interpretation.
by pas493 on Oct 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is still unclear!!!!
the ball was blocked by the defensive player and recovered by us past the first down marker….it should have been our ball 1st&10.
Should it matter that the ball was touched by a defensive player at the LOS or down the field 30 yards?
That is such NFL rules manipulation bullshit! The ball is live once any defensive player touches it. Our punter could kick the ball directly at a defensive player and if the ball hits him and he doesn’t catch it, it’s a live ball – Period!
by poopo on Oct 19, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After looking into the rules...
illegal touching occurs when the kicking team touches the ball before the recieving team after it is kicked and actually when a team tries to ‘down the ball’ inside the opposing teams 20 yard line, it is offically called illegal touching but refs don’t bother calling the penalty, instead it is just considered down by the kicking team.
So, I guess the ref considered the ball blocked by the kicking team yesterday, although it sure as hell looked like the Cheifs blocked the punt, which would have constituted a live ball….
by poopo on Oct 19, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets say a field goal is blocked...
Is it truly fair to allow the kicking team to pick up the ball and run with it? Why don’t we just let the kicker kick at the line of scimmage so that someone can pick it up and run with it?
I know. I’m a Chiefs fan, but this rule makes sense to me either way.
Bowe and Wade FTW.
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by NJChieffan16 on Oct 19, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because that would be stupid and would not work
most of the time…
rules should not be created to aid defense or offence. rules are about fairness. does this rule favor the defense? Of coarse it does!
Maybe it’s my rugby days coming through but if a punt is live 40 yards down field after touching the receiving team, why shouldn’t it be live behind the line if blocked by either team? If the kicking team can recover and has the luck or the wear-with-all to out maneuvre or power the ball past the first down marker after it is blocked, then why the hell should they not be awarded for this? because the offense was punting? bullshit!
Each team should have an equal right to recover and advance the ball. This is fair and equal. No, some damn ref over analyzed the situation and said that if the kicking team is punting they must always being giving up possession.
God forbid we have a situation that makes the game exciting.
No, let just make the rules to take any surprise or spontaneity out of the game. The NFL is littered with rules that cut out excitement.
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
think about the illegal touching or downing the ball rule
for the punting team. I think this is a fair rule because the punter is kicking directly from his hands and has an unfair advantage to be able to kick the ball anywhere on the field for the punting team to recover.
Now if it hits the recieving team and they do not catch it, it should a live ball for either team to recover and advance…..
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the answer is that the kicking team cannot pick up the ball and run unless the receiving team touches it past the line of scrimmage the issue was that they blocked it in front of the LOS so we couldnt recover it.
Fehr is fair, but I like Laich
by amkcaps on Oct 20, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i might argue that the ball traveled past the LOS and was blocked
and then the offensive player bobbled it along the ground and recovered it well beyond the first down marker….i really hate rules like this….why on earth can’t the offensive team advanced a blocked punt? what does this rule accomplish? It takes the life out of the game. If the Cheifs recoverd it and ran it in for a touchdown, I would not be happy, but it is still exciting to see…
How can anyone argue that blocked punts, blocked field goals, onside kicks, trick plays are not exciting? the rules have been mangled to suppress the excitement out of the game and the coaches are the ones at fault….
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok
one more time !!!! If the punt is blocked and does not pass the line of scrimmage , the kicking team can advance the ball !!!!!! If the ball passes the line of scrimmage its automatically the recieving teams ball .
by skinaholic on Oct 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about if a punter returner miffs the catch
and the punting team recovers? it’s the punt teams ball, right? Why should it matter if this happens 10 feet past the LOS or 40 yards down field?
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry didn't understand your post...
i take that back, I understand. you mean if the punt is blocked behind the LOS and rolls over it is no longer a live ball. Still seems silly. Why punish a punting team in this situation? It still seems petty.
I can’t image a punter ever kicking a punt directly at the LOS in hopes it will roll past for a first down….doesn’t make any sense…
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
poopo
your driving me crazy here ! A punter would never do such a thing ! when I say we can advance the ball if its blocked and doesnt pass the line of scrimmage , I mean we can recover the ball ( behind the line of scrimmage ) and run with it in order to try and get a 1st down , I wouldnt consider it punishment because 99% of blocked punts dont cross the line of scrimmage so it gives the punting team a chance to recover the ball and get a 1st down
by skinaholic on Oct 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you're saying
a punter can advance his own kick down field, if he can kick it high enough behind the LOS to wait for it to come down and run with it….lol…kidding…
you didn’t get what I was clarifing…someone earlier in the post said you can not advance a blocked punt because all punters would just punt directly at the LOS…
anyway I am over the blocked punt…sorry skinaholic….
by poopo on Oct 20, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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