Clinton Tortoise
Does any one know how many years is left on his contract? The guy has definitely slowed down this year. I'm not sure if should go or not in the off season or if another high level, young backup, in a two back system would be a better solution.
Or maybe a fullback that actually blocks. O yea and an O-line that blocks too. What does everyone think? Does CP have anything left in the tank? Or his decline attributed to the blocking or him being continually battered over the years.
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Marcus Mason
Needs to get involved more.im tired of Betts
by AppleDrank on Oct 16, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can’t be tired of Betts b/c he’s only had 2 carries in the past two games combined. We’re not running any secondary back enough.
by pas493 on Oct 16, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's because
Betts sucks. He’s averaging less than 3 yards a carry. I realize Portis isn’t doing much better, but they’re not gonna bench him. But Betts has become a liability in the running game. Most GOOD #2’s average MORE than the starter.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't his contract fully guaranteed or something?
I don’t remember but we’re in trouble…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Oct 16, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is the contract......no good.....
3/1/2004: Signed an eight-year, $50.5 million contract.
The deal contains $17 million in bonuses, including a $9.3255 million “signing bonus” in 2008.
2009 salary is guaranteed; . Cap charge: $6.17 million (2009)
as well as $6.43 million of his 2010 salary (guaranteed)
2009: $745,000 (+ $500,000 roster bonus)
2010: $7.1905 million,
2011: $8.254 million
2012-2013: $8.5 million
2014: Free Agent.
by shvd98z24 on Oct 16, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The good news….it only mentions guarantees through next season! The bad news…..it mentions guarantees through next season. I don’t see anybody trading to take over this contract and we would still be on the hook for some of the money. I believe on NFL network last week, they said we would save 1.5m if we dealed him, the next 2 years……but that would still be over 6m against our cap towards him for nothing!
by shvd98z24 on Oct 16, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's he really going to be worth
over the next few years? I don’t think he’s completely done but I also don’t think he’ll be worth 7 or 8 million dollars either. If there’s anything that’s relatively easy to find in the draft it’s an RB. Time to go for youth.
by aFan4Life on Oct 16, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade him now
before it’s too late. this season is shot anyhow.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 16, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to who?? what team is one over the hill RB away from contending??
for what? as little as clinton contirbutes would a mid/late round draft pick do anything more??
by dt3 on Oct 16, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't matter
trade him and clear up cap space even if we have to eat some of his salary.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 16, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to look at it like.....
is he worth 1.5 million a year? That’s the difference between having him and not having him this season and next! Why eat the over 6 million a season by letting him when you will have to fill that void with a difference on less than 1.5 million? Not saying the guy deserves 6-8 million a year….but because of his contract….that is how you have to look at the value! Now……if we would save 2-4 million by cutting ties…..I would be on the other side of the argument!
by shvd98z24 on Oct 16, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG.............
We are in trouble for the next 3 yrs for sure………..wow on those #’s
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning"
by JNZO on Oct 16, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Handcuffed
It’s contracts like this that will make acquiring and paying picks and FA’s even harder over the next few years. Thus it tends to show up on other parts of the team i.e., O-line.
The years ‘10, ’11, and ’12 of this contract are ridiculous. He turned 28 before this season started, thats a red flag with what’s going on with this team. Unless snyder accelerates contracts like these during the uncapped year and pays them off it’s actually only getting worse year by year. Don’t forget these types of contracts usually get restructured and spread out over a few more years. This is F****IN UNBELIEVABLE! SNYDERATTO IS A F***IN HORSES ASS!
Anyone else listen to Ceratto this morning? The optimism is nice but completely false hope and the worst part of it is he seems like he has no clue that their is BIG problems with this team. K.C. will look like a top 5 defense this week.
by skinsymets on Oct 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a reason they do that
With NFL contracts, you only count against the cap for the current year and your bonus is averaged over the course of the contract.
Most of the time they’ll give a player a huge number that is entirely back loaded. When he’s cut you don’t have to pay the salary anymore and the remainder of the bonus is counted against your cap.
So for example, I give you a contract for 5 years that pays a $10 million bonus, and $15 million salary over the course of the contract. However, the yearly salary will be structured $1 million, then $2 million, then $3 million, then $4 million, then $5 million. Your cap hit will be $2 million from the bonus every year + your salary for that year.
so: first year: $3 million, second year $4 million.
Lets say I tire of your antics after 3 years and cut you before your 4th season (ignoring free agency rules and other contract clauses you may have negotiated). Your cap hit for salary will be $0 because I’m not paying you this season. However, your bonus comes due in full this year because I cut you, therefore your cap hit for the 4th year (which you aren’t playing) is $4, which is the remainder of the bonus I paid you.
So the last few years of his contract can be written off as, he won’t be here so we won’t have to pay him that and it won’t hit us for the salary cap numbers (however his bonus may)
by snowburnt on Oct 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is his Cap number next year?
This site is saying 12.1M for 2010.
by liger99 on Oct 16, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not completely done
He can still put a team on his shoulders in the 4th quarter to seal a victory… if he has the blocking. He is also still the best pass blocking back in the game. I think we are underestimating how terrible the run blocking has been, even before the injuries.
I don’t know if other people have seen this site, but http://stayingmedium.blogspot.com provides great play-by-play breakdowns of all the games this season, and it gives a great picture of the trench battles that I know I miss in live time. The basic gist: Rabach, Heyer, Cooley, and Sellers have all been liabilities on multiple occasions in every game. Definitely check it out.
by Boo. on Oct 16, 2009 10:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Portis can get through the guaranteed years of his salary and be a big contributor! I think we do need to address this position for the future though….whether through the draft or free agency. Betts and Cartwright are not long term answers…..so we need a guy that can team up with Portis next year and then take over or split carries with Mason. I don’t think Mason is the true heir apparent at this position. He is a good supplement, but guys who can take over a game generally don’t sit on various practice squads for 2 years before barely making a team!
by shvd98z24 on Oct 16, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Can I buy some drugs from you? if by big contribution you’re talking about the sum of money contributed to our Cap then yes he will be a BIG contribution
by skinsfan28 on Oct 16, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From my reply above:
Is he worth less than 1.5 million a year? That’s the difference between having him and not having him this season and next! Why eat the over 6 million a season by letting him when you will have to fill that void with a difference on less than 1.5 million? Not saying the guy deserves 6-8 million a year….but because of his contract….that is how you have to look at the value! Now……if we would save 2-4 million by cutting ties…..I would be on the other side of the argument!
by shvd98z24 on Oct 16, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In declining years
their needs to be young talent around him……………the problem is Portis doesn’t allow that. He whines about stuff like this and always gets his way. Everybody in the league knows this. Why do you think Shany got rid of him……………..because he knew RB’s are much easier to find than shut down corners.
by skinsymets on Oct 16, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe
That Portis has declined this year, but we can’t just put the blame all on his shoulders. Even Adrian Peterson is unable to run through a brick wall of defenders. If our O-line and Sellers were able to competently block defenders, we more than likely wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.
by bigrm18 on Oct 16, 2009 12:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you but with Portis aging, we def need a good, young complimentary back, that can also serve as Portis’s replacement in 2 to 3 years. I wish Jacquizz Rogers was a junior then we could draft Sproles 2.0.
I think if we wait til the 4th in the draft then we could still get a good complimentary back like Charles Scott from LSU or a speedster like Noel Devine from DubV, and maybe a guy like LaGarette Blount who’s draft stock has plummeted
by pas493 on Oct 16, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also agree
That we need a good, young complimentary back for Portis. But a good O-line can make an average back look good, just as much as a bad O-line can make a good back look bad. I wouldn’t be so quick to say that Portis has lost it all just yet (I’m not saying you specifically pas493 said this, but for anyone that thinks that) especially considering the line he’s running behind.
by bigrm18 on Oct 16, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
cosign
I personally see him still running hard, despite the non-existent blocking. Like someone else said below (or above, whatever), if we had addressed our O-Line issues either through the draft of FA, this wouldn’t even be a topic of convo right now.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 16, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the money matters
CP isn’t terrible but he sure isn’t worth $7-8 million per year, especially when, as you said, the OL is terrible and nobody can run well behind that OL.
by aFan4Life on Oct 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may as well cut him...
And CP would likely thank us. All we need is a pile of meat to stick back there until we get an O-line. I wouldn’t even draft an RB. Just pick up someone from U MD or Towson State and pay them to get killed until an O-line jells and produces. Then get someone good, but cheap.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 16, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely need
A reliable speedy 3rd down back… but with that contract, would be hard to sign any real backup talent!
JJ Fe
by Rydaddy617 on Oct 16, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
in a two back system would be a better solution.
The thing I find the funniest is Clinton’s statements about how he is the last of a dying breed, the last single RB in a league that is moving to a system where 2RBs is the norm. While he is a great pass blocker the fact that he is the only RB on the field most sundays has little to nothing to do with his abilities and more to do with complete ineptitude in the front office.
by dt3 on Oct 16, 2009 1:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe
Portis can still be win us games if he gets 20+ carries. That fact has yet to be disproven. Is he worth the money? Absolutely not. Will he ever average 5 YPG over a stretch again? Not even close. But it’s the commitment to the running game that we need, and with their refusal to platoon him with the younger backs, 20+ is our best bet, given the impotence of Betts.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I BELIEVE YOU ARE STILL IN FANTASY LAND //// C.J.
What are you trying to do get C. Portis killed ?? If you have not noticed we no longer have the “Hogs” blocking for us but the" Hogettes" Portis is not a power back like a B. Jacobs or M. Barber !! He needs a small hole that he can squeeze through then he can make his cuts on the linebacker or secondary comming up to make the tackle. He is not going to break many tackles at or before the line of scrimmage.
Hey C.J. maybe you have not noticed the fact that we can not pick up 1 yard in a tight formation like goal line or 4th and short !! IE this means that we don’t have a power running game so you can forget wasting your time handing the ball off to C.P. 20 + times a game unless we become more creative in how we get him the ball. We need to use more screens and less direct handoffs. We are not going to manhandle anyone at the point of attack !! We need to use more traps and quick hitting plays !! All power running plays require a man to beat a man and we could not beat some high school deffensive lines.
by LETJASONPASS on Oct 17, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go look at the stats…..they show them every game….we have like an 85% win percent with Portis carrying 20+ times! He doesn’t need to get tons of yard as long as he is going forward. The running game sets up play action and the rest of the passing game. If teams know you have to pass…they will just sit back in a soft zone and go after the QB! We don’t have a line……so…no…..CP will not break and big ones or get tons of yards this year. You still need it to get anything out of the passing game! I am on board with CJ!
by shvd98z24 on Oct 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20 plus times a game for a two yard per carry average ??
My point is that play action can only work on First down or a short distance for the down and since we are always in third and long play action does not work most of the time for us. It is not rocket science that we can not pick up a medium distance by running the ball.
by LETJASONPASS on Oct 19, 2009 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st of all
I don’t care how many yards you get, you still need to run the ball. I’m not sure if you noticed, but we don’t have Dan Marino at QB. Without the threat of the run, the passing game won’t go anywhere.
So, now I’ll go back to what I said before. First, the fact that we win when Portis runs 20+ times has yet to be proven false. Through 5 games, he’s only done it once, and we won that game. Second, I really don’t care who gets it, but we need to run 25-30 times. That said, say what you want about Portis, he’s WAY better than Betts. And since they refuse to put Mason (or even Alridge) over Betts on the depth chart, I’d rather give the ball to CP the 20+ times.
by CJHutch on Oct 17, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20+ carries
Clinton is still making 2 or 3 runs near 10 yards a game. The shorter carries are largely the fault of the offensive line. It have been a number of years since Clinton had many carries of 20+ yards. In the past more of his longer runs were latter in the game when the opponents defensive units were tiring. Football Outsiders has a regular article on running backs and http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb is for the results after 5 weeks. FO’s offensive line performance is shown in http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol for the same time period.
Washington’s power rank for the offensive line was 10th., but the runs of 10+ yards was 26th.
Their sack rank was 25th.
While a generalization, FO’s explaination follows:
“A team with a high ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a low ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its offensive line to make the running game work. A team with a low ranking in Adjusted Line Yards but a high ranking in 10+ Yards is heavily dependent on its running back breaking long runs to make the running game work.”
The weight of the opponent’s quality is partially adjusted for in the 5th. week.
by Jefferson1935 on Oct 17, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You people
Just wanna put the blaim off on someone. You wanna blaim Portis for why the ball cannot move. Are none of you remembering that we have no line. If the line doesn’t block right to open holes the ball goes nowhere. Hell they cant even pass block for 2 seconds. When they do open holes they are so small he is tripping over their legs.
Quit blaiming the guy when its the team that is messed up. Its not just one persons fault.
"The rich wage WAR and the POOR die!!!"
by milcmann on Oct 17, 2009 4:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yo DairyQueen!
learn how to spell (blaim) already.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 19, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
C Portis
C Portis is still a great RB but has no Off line to open holes for him. the problem is we haVE NO PAssing nor running game. We will see no change this year I don’t see our Off line getting any better. We can only hope for next year how many times have I said this?
by Retired Army on Oct 17, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We need to trade portis for stephen jackson
by dakid2010 on Oct 28, 2009 3:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Portis needs to trust his O-line even if they dont deserve it
Portis seems to run to fail
lets say Peterson averages 6 yards a carry in a game, that doesnt mean he makes 20 6 yard carries, it means that he really took advantage fo those 2 or 3 carries wher he had good blocking and turned them into 15, 20 or 40 yard runs, he still has a lot of 2’s in there. The problem with Portis it seems to me is that he is more concerned with turning every 2 yard carry into a 3 yard one but being prepared to fall forward, rather than accepting the 2 yards on poorly blocked plays, but being ready to take advantage to the maximum on well blocked runs,…..hope that makes sense, I knwo what I am trying to say, just not sure if I have explained what I am thinking properly
Pommylee
by Pommylee on Oct 28, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think it’s the opposite. Portis is a very patient runner and usually waits for the block. But, our OL and FB (since he got a new contract) can’t block for shit, so Portis gets killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvIX3S0f-2c&feature=player_embedded
by VA_Skin on Oct 29, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reallly???
as I have repeated ad nauseam, I am stuck with highlights and radio broadcasts online in Australia…but I did see the Eagles game and I gotta say to me, it really did look like CP was running into the ground and not into the gaps
Still you see a lot more than me so I will assume it was one bad game but yeah he did not look good to me against the Eagles
Pommylee
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