Daily Slop: Team Is Sick of Zorn Limbo with Media
by KevinE on Oct 15, 2009 9:32 AM EDT
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Starting OL roster vs the Chiefs:
Stephon Heyer, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery, and Mike Williams
Morale in Ashburn is very, very low [Insider]
Team backs Zorn - Wants Snyder to say Zorn is Coach for all of 2009 [espn]
I think the blame lies with us. I think we're the ones out there playing every day, practicing, trying to do the right thing, but I don't know if we've got the right personnel here to do it. -DeAngelo Hall [Insider]
DT Anthony Montgomery being shopped around [Insider]
Playing time vs. Panthers [WaTimes]
(Despite being on the field a combined 53 times, Devin Thomas & Malcolm Kelly still struggle)
(Tryon on the field for almost 25% of the plays)
Redskins NOT interested in Brady Quinn [Insider]
Michael Crabtree to make his 1st start Oct. 25 vs the Texans [espn]
Percy Harvin has injured shoulder [espn]
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Probability of JC getting injured in the next two weeks – 72%
by Hustler of Culture on Oct 15, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
not that I want JC to get hurt, but it would be nice to see TC play. If TC plays, then we should find out if JC is the issue or not. I really want to know if JC can’t read defenses like Sonny says or if the receivers are the problem.
by liger99 on Oct 15, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you REALLY
think Collins will be able to do ANYTHING behind this line? He’s less mobile than an oak tree. If JC gets hurt within the next 2 weeks, then TC will be hurt within the next 3 weeks.
by CJHutch on Oct 15, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
thats dumb
all you will see is what we all know, that the line is the issue. even if he does well it may only mean it was because of a weak pass rush.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Team off-season evaluation:
O-line was the biggest reason for our collapse last year
Snyderrato response:
Derrick Dockery and some prayers, meanwhile:
$50M guaranteed to a DT, $10M’s guaranteed to a CB, and our only day-1 draft pick on a DE
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orakpo was a good pick
We had too many holes to fill with one draft pick so they took the best athlete at one of their need positions. I’m just glad they hit on the pick they took. If they keep on investing high picks on linemen(O or D) we can start building a dominant team. I agree with you on Hall and mostly on Haynesworth. I think the reality was that either way one of our lines was gonna be trying to get by with old/hurt/untalented players this year. It was gonna take 2 offseasons to fix the lines no matter what.
by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't have to worry about the
defensive line for the next 5 years at least. Orakpo, Jarmon, and Haynesworth will be the strength of the team for a long time, and those were legitimately good moves.
Building the OL will take time, even if we had drafted a rookie tackle we still would be in a similar position. I hope we spend our first 2 picks on OL this year though, and I hope we trade for a couple more early round picks, especially if the season continues down the path its on.
by Boo. on Oct 15, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I wouldn't mind us using our 2011
First rounder to get back into the end of the First round if there was some O-line we really liked. That has worked well for teams such as SF, and Baltimore recently. Not really a proponent of using multiple picks for one player but thats a scenario I am ok with. We still might wanna use some late round picks on D-lineman just because Orakpo, JJ, and AH are pretty much the only D-line we are sure to have returning. Who knows if Carter will be back. Griffin is done and Golston/Monty are FA’s.
by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all can dream
About us drafting some O-linemen, but it is more likely that we’ll draft a QB with our first pick. No, I don’t want that to happen, but we have to realize who is in the front office. We might draft some O-linemen AFTER we draft a QB, but you never know with Snyder and Cerrato.
by bigrm18 on Oct 15, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another thing to think about
We might not be able to get a OT at our normal draft slot. Last I saw the only OT’s in the top 32 were all ranked in the top 6. Even if we only win 4 games that might be enough to push us out of the top 8 picks. I was allright with that cuz I figured we could get a Jansen type in the 2nd to hold down RT and find a decent back up for Samuels in FA if we had to and then hopefully draft a LT the next year. If Samuels retires though that makes it alot tougher.
by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't we
have picked Oher at 13? Wasn’t that the hullabaloo?
And we will have to draft a QB, so we shouldn’t necessarily be dreading that. Jason is not coming back to this team, especially if Zorn isn’t. It looks like there might be some decent pro prospects at QB, so if the FO takes one in addition to a couple lineman, it wouldn’t be the end of the world.
by Boo. on Oct 15, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Oher
Both Oher and Orakpo were good prospects, and we should have gone with need.
A dire, dire need.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were both needs
and Orakpo is better at his position. There were too many holes to fill with one pick. Oher was also available at 23. It’s funny some of the people that criticize Snyderatto the most employ the same thinking as Snyderatto. A big WR was the NEED 2 years ago when the O-line was showing bad signs and we ended up drafting 3 pass catchers in the second. We took the best available player at a need that was either 1A or 1B. The O and D lines was gonna be a 2 year fix no matter what and we are well through the first year. Relying on Daniels/Wynn to stay healthy/productive was as stupid an idea as expecting Randy Thomas to last this year.
by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BPA
Thats what Orakpo was, theres no room to critcize that pick. We were beyond lucky that he fell to us. Thank you Raiders.
by pas493 on Oct 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
and Bills
Maybin is a joke. I can’t believe they drafted him before Orakpo. Especially since that dude is a 3-4 OLB and Bills run a 4-3 last time I checked.
by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most definately agree
Orakpo is supposed to be a rare talent, a hybrid typpe resembling Demarcus Ware or perhaps a reincarnation of Wilbur Marshall. Could we have traded down and picked up Oher, perhaps but last year we screamed that there was no pressure on the passer and that was why we couldn’t get off the field on defense. Just missing that key element (or so it was hyped). Well no one is denying th kid’s ability to get to the passer. Would we have liked to get more Olinemen in, I’m sure we would have, but this team had so many holes that the way that the draft fell, they picked who they thought were giving them good value. Did they screw up in the 2nd round two years ago, most likely, but as always, hindsight is 20/20, I would have loved to have seen the Davis or even the Thomas pick go to an OLB and an OL but they aren’t paying us to make those personnel decisions (dammit!)
I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....
by piratedan7 on Oct 16, 2009 3:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
once we get a D- coordinator who is actually interested in dominating the opposition, and therefor puts his players in a position to do so, everyone will love the Orakpo pick. He’s our best pass rusher NOW. Wait until he’s able to do it every down.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a vacuum I love the Orakpo pick
Clearly he’s an elite talent and we were lucky to have a shot at him. I don’t criticize that pick like do the Haynesworth signing or a million other moves we’ve made.
But a roster doesn’t exist in a vacuum, and virtually all of our big moves this off season were for the defense, which was already decent/good/great, and now we’re paying the price that everyone except Synderrato saw coming.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we had problems
on BOTH sides of the ball. Our defense has been decent to good the past few years, but the most important aspect of a defense (IMO) – the pass rush – has been non existent. Picking Orakpo as a DEFENSIVE END was just as important as picking an O-lineman. The problem is we aren’t smart enough to realize that’s where he belongs.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
but given our investment in Haynesworth, who in theory was supposed to make our pass rush better, I would have gone OL. It’s just personal opinion. (I would have resigned Demetric Evans too…)
Also, it’s my prediction, that we’re going to see how bad of a mistake it was to not draft an OL in the first few rounds recently, including 2009.
Without a great pass rush our defense was still serviceable. This OL is going to make you want to claw your eyes out.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, it’s my prediction, that we’re going to see how bad of a mistake it was to not draft an OL in the first few rounds recently, including 2009.
GEE you think?! Of course we’re going to regret it, especially now that our Pro Bowl LT may be out for the season and Stephon Heyer isn’t everything he was being hyped up by the coaches to be. The truth is that we had needs at multiple positions going into the draft. I think we would have regretted passing on Orakpo, especially if he ended up leading the league in sacks for another team. You can’t pass on a player of that caliber, IMO. I would have also taken Aaron Curry over the other LTs (at least OLB was a position that we really didn’t have a starter at). Even if we lose out this season and finally start drafting OL next year, we have hopefully solidified our DL for the next few years. I’d like to know what your prediction is on how Oher will stack up against Jared Allen this weekend. Oher is playing LT for the first time and we will finally see whether or not we should have taken him @ 13. Although he has already proven to be better than the Terp.
by VA_Skin on Oct 16, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GEE you think?! Of course we’re going to regret it, especially now that our Pro Bowl LT may be out for the season and Stephon Heyer isn’t everything he was being hyped up by the coaches to be.
This is precisely why I would have drafted an OT. Our only ‘good’ o-linemen are aging and injury-prone, and lo and behold, by week 6, both are probably out for the year.
This was a crisis we could see coming from a mile away, but what do we do? Spend $50M on a DT, and our first round pick on a DE.
I’d like to know what your prediction is on how Oher will stack up against Jared Allen this weekend.
Oher is/was a great prospect, at a position we need badly. Whether he does well in his second career start at LT is irrelevant to the big picture of the Redskins roster planning.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the 13th pick
Oher was not the BPA. For that top 15 money, you have to go with the best player. Maybe Vinny should have traded back. But, Oher at 13 was a reach.
by VA_Skin on Oct 16, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Oher was rated the fourth best OT. Orakpo was the best pass rusher. Also, there were plenty of doubt about whether Oher could play LT. Many projected him to be a RT, which is where he ended up.
who in theory was supposed to make our pass rush better, I would have gone OL.
I would probably agree with that, except that there weren’t any great O-linemen out there once Jordan Gross re-upped.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps not
but then we should have tried like hell to trade down.
Haynesworth, Hall, Orakpo, and Jason Taylor with the 2nd round pick. And that was just the 2009 off-season.
Nobody should be surprised our season is basically over b/c had 2 good linemen, and both got hurt, as expected.
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely
agree. But if we had somehow gotten some more O-linemen instead, then we would have been complaining about not having a pass rush. My point is one offseason wasn’t enough to fix this mess. We should have been addressing it all along.
by CJHutch on Oct 16, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
but we should have shared the resources between both sides of the ball as we went along.
As I said, our season is now over (IMO) b/c we have no linemen left, and we knew Samuels & Thomas were going to miss time.
We got along for years without a pass rush…
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 17, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
likewise
The O-Line is the most important unit on any team. A great O-line can make less than great and even mediocre QB’s, WR’s and RB’s shine and score. A great O-Line eats up the clock, keeping it’s Defense fresh while beating up opposing D’s. What other unit has as much effect on a team’s winning potential?
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 17, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2008 and before
The 2008 Draft, 2 WR and TE in the second round was a waste, even if all three become great players.
1 OL, and he’s not part of the line….
Previous it was limited picks and none were used on the OL. It’s been a long time…
by dr WNC on Oct 15, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atleast
Team is unified in backing zorn thus putting pressure on the front office.
I'm worried about the beer supply. After this case, and the other case, there's only one case left- Barney Gumble
by CptChaosSidekick on Oct 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I would say this
But it appears to me that DeAngelo Hall is the only guy on the team with a sense of reality and a sense of urgency. What fantasy world is the rest of the team living in?
by Kurtstack on Oct 15, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Proof the Snyder truly doesn't get it:
Snyder has been even more demanding of Zorn’s time than usual, many who work in the main building have told me, seeking answers about the problems on offense
–Jason Reid
WTF Snyder? You want answers? Here are a couple:
One of the worst OLs in the league, and that was before Samuels got hurt.
One of the 10 or so worst WR corps in the league.
Zorn is sucking it up, but that’s not the whole story, so stop spending so much time grilling him.
Snyder & Cerrato sit up in their suites thinking, “this roster is well-built, we’ve done a good job, it must be someone else’s fault”
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I kinda feel for Zorn here. I mean, I can’t think of any coach in the entire NFL that could get more out of this offense than Zorn has given how weak the O-line is and the weakness at WR. Give the man a break and let him spend his time gameplanning instead of answering stupid questions.
by Kurtstack on Oct 15, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a fellow skins fan/radio host has offered a different perspective
http://czabe.blogspot.com/2009/10/you-dont-mess-with-zoron.html
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
by cowboy78 on Oct 15, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10 for all of the above
Why doesn’t Snyder just coach the damn team if he feels he has the knowledge to question every little detail in the O-plan? Better off standing back and letting those accountable fix the problems. This is often referred to a Mgt 101.
Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
by Scott E on Oct 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Overheard on the practice field
Jason Campbell takes out another insurance policy on himself.
by skinsymets on Oct 15, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Reid reported
that the insurance company turned him down. Said he was too much of a liability.
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 15, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happens if the line works? Bugel's not too worried
Starting OL roster vs the Chiefs:
Stephon Heyer, Derrick Dockery, Casey Rabach, Will Montgomery, and Mike Williams
What happen’s if it works?
by dr WNC on Oct 15, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then we call off the Revolution immediately
because clearly Danny and Vinny were right all along. Plus we should send in an apology letter for even getting upset in the first place. After all, these guys just want to win!
by Boo. on Oct 15, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault
by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it'll have to work for a lot longer than just one week
SpotieOtieDopalicious
by Rekka on Oct 15, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we're thinking like that
What happens if we go to the Super Bowl? Both have about zero chance of happening.
But seriously, if the line does somehow figure it out during this week and looks respectable, it’s a guarantee that we will never draft an O-lineman, EVER. This may sound like a negative, but I want the O-line to look like a disaster on Sunday, but we somehow get the win, and Campbell isn’t injured in the process. If the O-line does well on Sunday, Cerrato will look like a genius (if that’s possible) and will have no reason to want to draft any O-linemen in the upcoming draft.
by bigrm18 on Oct 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if the OL works against KC
it will mean nothing, because guess what?…………………….. it’s KC.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
by GeoFly on Oct 17, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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