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Redskins Positives Going into Week 6 vs the Chiefs (Stats)

Ken and I had a long chat yesterday discussing our vision of how to fix the Redskins (realistically) and how to approach this situation as a fan. It goes back to his earlier post of "the Revolution." More on that later today.

With everyone throwing the Redskins under the bus, there are some rays of light statistically. 

London Fletcher - 59 tackles (1st)
DeAngelo Hall - 3 INTs (2nd tied)
Andre Carter - 3.5 sacks (tied for 14th)
Brian Orakpo - 2.5 sacks (tied for 28th)

Jason Campbell - 16th ranked QB (88.5 rating)
  - 6th most accurate QB (66.7%)
  - 6th most 1st downs (61)
  - 11th in completions (98)
  - Tied for 11th yards per pass 7.5 

Campbell was able to achieve these solid numbers despite being the 6th most sacked QB with 13 sacks. (Aaron Rodgers has been sacked an astounding 20 times yet still boasts a 101.1 QB rating). Campbell at times has held on to the ball too long, but again has to manage a game with a poor line and no help from Malcolm Kelly; however, the Redskins are getting the ball more down field this year. He is tied with Tom Brady with eleven 20+ yard passing plays. It's expected these numbers will drop with the loss of Chris Samuels, but if Portis is ineffective running the ball, why not keep him in to block and have Campbell throw the rock 40+ times!?

Redskins Team Stats:

- Offense: Penalties (Tied for 9th with 26) - Shows discipline
Ironically...Skins are 4th ranked defense again (290.8 yards per game)
- Defense: Points per game allowed (5th with 16.4)
- Defense: Passing -  (3rd at 6.5 per play) and have allowed zero 40+ passes

It's amazing that the Skins defense is ranked top 5 despite being on the field the 7th longest (32:05 per game). Looking at the stats, the offensive and defense can be effective, they just need to piece it together and quick.

Special Teams: Skins rank 31st in punts with a 40.8 average, but they're holding them to an average of 3 yards a return, which puts their net average punt in the middle of the pack.

The common defense is that we've amassed these stats against horrible teams, but I'm starting to sway that there isn't really a large drop off from the worst team in the league to the best. The Lions played the Steelers close last week, and the Chiefs played the Cowboys close. I of course realize that the Redskins have a ton of coaching issues, but those are limiting the Skins ability to blow out teams, not to beat them. 

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Clearly, the Sun is shinning through

A lot of items can be improved with the actual Team members starting with the Offensive line, but when it comes down to performance the Redskins are not this bad except for the glaring issue:

I of course realize that the Redskins have a ton of coaching issues, but those are limiting the Skins ability to blow out teams, not to beat them.

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Which of course:

Does not state the obvious issue of owner and VP, but that situation cannot be changed in 2009 and will most likely be the same again in 2010 and the FAR future

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

CJHutch's...

milk went up my nose when I read your headline. LOL

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 14, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why

were you drinking CJHutch’s milk?

by monk81 on Oct 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hall

The interceptions are great but his poor tackling have cost us two games. Though I guess that is the trade-off we knew we were going to get, he’s a playmaker but just not that great of a player.

Sorry to rain on the parade. I can’t get over the fact that we haven’t out-rushed an opponent yet this year.

by Boo. on Oct 14, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

that's the

West Coast Offense for ya. Dink and Dunk passes replace a majority of the running game.

Actually, I didn’t realize that JC had that many downfield passes. How DO YOU have that many 20+ yard passes, but only 5 touchdowns? I’m starting to think we’re not a very good team.

Seriously though, I think I have the answer to everyone’s question. Kevin’s post made me realize exactly WHY Snyrrato has neglected the line in favor of receivers for so long. They have had a vision that the will FINALLY get to implement this week. Yep, it’s called the 6 Flags, as in 6 receivers (4 wideouts, 2 TE’s, with the TE’s taking the place of the OT’s) Portis and Sellers are in the backfield, but they shift to the line right before the snap to avoid a formation penalty, and all 6 receivers run to the flags with their name on it. These flags are held up by various assistant coaches in order to make the play as easy as possible for our “special” 2nd year 2nd rounders.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Best of the stats

has to be that JC has thrown 11+ of 20 yds. or more, isn’t that what was lacking last year and what everyone was looking to happen this year. JC’s ranking is 16th(smack in the middle) as far as rating goes but those 4 stats that you listed for him where he’s better than average are impressive. An O-line that can actually just be average to above average would most likely have us at 4 -1. Poor running is killing this team.

Maybe Dan can trade an entire draft for a teams entire offensive line plus a few bucks.

Orakpo is a full time DE without a doubt. Redskins are just using him part time at linebacker to cover the glaring hole their.

by skinsymets on Oct 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

kinda scary actually

that last year we were lacking 20+ yard plays, turnovers and sacks. Yes this year we’re getting all of those and now we’re somehow worse.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

because our receivers can't catch a damn thing

::looking at you DT::

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

So we all weren't completely retarded

when we were looking at our roster and saying that we would be better in those areas. Thats refreshing. The OL being crap isn’t a big surprise, and I think we could have predicted a drop off in the running game even with Samuels and Thomas healthy. The defense’s complete inability to stop the run and get off the field with any regularity is the biggest problem.

by Boo. on Oct 14, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

you have to look at context-adjusted stats

all the long passes when we’re down by more than a score don’t count the way a long pass in the first quarter does.

The defense’s complete inability to stop the run and get off the field with any regularity is the biggest problem.

No, I’m going to say our miserable offensive line is still the biggest problem.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

all the long passes when we’re down by more than a score don’t count the way a long pass in the first quarter does.

Do you know for sure that we only threw the ball when we were down by more than a score or are you just assuming? It’s sad, but I honestly can’t remember us throwing the ball down the field except for the throws to Moss.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

I know that's true for some of our long passes,

For sure not all of them, but I know that in the Detroit game, for example, at least a third of JC’s yards (and presumably long passes) came when we were down by 2 scores, against a prevent defense.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

you gotta

include Cooley’s scampers. And ARE has probably had some too. I don’t think they differentiate “20+ yard throws” from pass plays that net over 20 yards (i.e.via YAC)

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

No I'm going to say not a problem at all

The defense’s complete inability to stop the run and get off the field with any regularity is the biggest problem.


If the offense scores 21+ points it becomes a non-issue…so it’s not an issue.

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I was about to post the same thing… what were you looking at smuts?

by Boo. on Oct 14, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Footballoutsiders.com

Far more accurate statistical analysis, IMO.

They take into account down, distance, and opponent.

NFL rankings are oversimplified to the point of being irrelevant.

9 yards on 3rd and 10 is not the same thing as 9 yards on 3rd and 1.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Were 22 against the run against the Bucs, Rams, Lions, Panthers, and the G-men. Just wait until the top rushing teams come to play. Saints #2, Cowgirls #3, Broncos #5…. Oh No!!!!!

by brettpedigo on Oct 15, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Last year

Redskins ranked 28th in 20+ yard passes with a measely 34. Campbell clearly improved while the oline and rb regressed.

Wow. Skins only had three 40+ yard passes last year. They have 2 this year so far.

by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 14, 2009 11:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Statistics lie!!

If you a) can’t string meaningful plays together to achieve a score and b) are going against prevent defenses on bad teams late in games you are behind – largely due to a) above.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 14, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just

Thinking about that yesterday. I didn’t look at the stats, but it seemed like the defense was getting more sacks and turnovers this year, yet it seems like everyone thinks that the defense is worse this year. I had no clue about the 20+ yard plays, especially from this offense.

It looks like we’ve gotten better this year, but feels like we’ve gotten worse, which is just weird and extremely frustrating at the same time.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

great post

Think. Our defense has done this while being on the field so much. Its amazing to think how good they would be if we could sustain drives, get a lead and force the opposing offense to be predictable.

by monk81 on Oct 14, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

thank you

Finally someone said this….I have read all the above and think it is crazy to beat up on the defense so much. Has anyone noticed that they are on the field the whole game because our QB cant get it together. I mean, I believe the reason for half the problems on this team is because of the play calling and the executing. Obviously, JZ does not have much faith in his QB like he claims or he would call more plays that show faith not only the fact that I am not completley sure he even knows how to call plays (I mean run plays 3 times on a 3 and 1, time to try something different )…JC has a problem executing what is called. Even with the OL being bad as it is right now doesnt mean that we couldnt have a QB that scrambles, gets out of the tackle box and doesnt take the sack. I mean is taking the sack really better, no!!! Our defense would probably be awesome if our offense could actually make something happen. Once every now and then doesnt make people happy, but havent we as fans come to expect this from the SKINS?? Bottom line, new coach and QB that could lead the team would probably make things better, IMO.

by POOHF255 on Oct 18, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just glad

we don’t have the damn picture of jj picking his nose at the top of the page. Thank God.

by monk81 on Oct 14, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Mr. Positive!

That’s the Kevin I know!

We need to pull it all together. We need to do a better job of being a sum of all these parts (stats) instead of having good things happening here and there but not adding up to wins. A good team takes advantages of every positive there is, and keeps the negative stuff from overriding those things.

by Sugar on Oct 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I miss the negativety all ready.

All of these stats tell me that this team is lacking major (heart, coaching, whatever it may be) and it’s going to hold us back all year.
As for London Fletcher, what a beast. However, it shouldn’t be a good thing that he’s leading the league in tackles because that means we’re not getting off the field much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

I concur...+10

and the point about London was discussed at length on an earlier post. I reached the same conclusions you did; although there was talk of schemes focusing MLBs into a position to make tackles. Regardless, you are right. London is having a pro-bowl year in my opinion. Nice if he could grab or cause a few more fumbles and get a pick or two – would seal the deal, methinks.

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 14, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Look at the top 5 tackle leaders

1. London Fletcher WAS 59
2. D’Qwell Jackson CLE 52
3. Keith Ellison BUF 49
4. Barrett Ruud TB 49
5. Patrick Willis SF 49

Those aren’t very good teams in the top 5 (with the exception of SF who is still only okay at best)…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

this will

even out by the end of the year. But overall, it’s usually MLB’s who end up at the top in tackles. And most of the top 10 guys are the usual suspects in that list every year. All’s I know is I’m happy as hell to have our MLB lead us in tackles, and not a safety. Also, keep in mind, some of those tackles Fletcher has are on guys that are STILL running if he doesn’t bring them down.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that.

This is the NFL leaders in tackles and they’re all MLBs. It’s like what Bart Scott said on comcast sometime during the summer…
a reporter asked him if he wanted to lead the league in tackles and he said no because that would mean that their defense isn’t very good.
I’m glad London Fletcher is once again proving how great a player he is, even at age 34, but I don’t think we should be proud that he leads the league…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

like I said

it will even out. He will be top 10, but I doubt he will end up leading the league. I don’t mind top 10. Some pretty good players on some pretty good teams end up top ten. And I believe tackles are the first stat looked at when determining the Pro Bowl picks for MLB.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there anybody who has watched the games closley enough

to tell where Orakpo gets his sacks from? We know he’s not been very good in coverage but how is he rushing the passer as an OLB? Are they all coming from when he’s lined up at DE? Would be interesting to find out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm...

Orakpo is most effective as a DE? Who would have thought? Too bad the coaches don’t recognize this.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every single on of them?

Are you sure? How could the coaching staff be so incompetent then to keep lining him up at OLB?
I understand that even Jim Zorn knows 1000x more about football than me but how could you keep playing a guy in a wrong spot. It’s like using Randy Moss at corner and him sucking at it. (on a side note, don’t you think Randy Moss would be the best corner ever?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Every one of his sacks came when his hand was down, as BayAreaBullet said, and if his hand was down he obviously was playing as a DE and not a LB.

When they first announced that he would be playing as a LB, they said it was because they wanted to have him on the field as much as possible, because they were starting Daniels at DE instead of Orakpo. However, Orakpo at LB is hurting the team, while Orakpo at DE is helping the team a lot more than the coaches seem to realize. But I’m not faulting Orakpo for this because it was the coaches’ (not sure who specifically) decision.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't forget

that they ALSO said that he wasn’t ready to play the run. Well, seein’ as how we’re giving up 150 yards a game, I’d say our “starting” DE’s aren’t too hot in that category either. Plus, now that Daniels has a droopy bicep, is he REALLY gonna be effective enough there?

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The coaches

Seem to think Daniels will be effective and are still starting him at DE, despite a saggy bicep, and despite Orakpo having 2.5 sacks in the limited time he’s lined up as a DE.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

the coaches also “seem to think” we’re improving every week. Maybe thinking is their problem.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thinking

yeah that too…Stop it!

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

we simply don't have a SLB on the roster

Snyderrato ladies and gentlemen!

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather

try Wilson there. They said he was neck in neck with B-Rak in training camp. Let’s see if they were making that up. If not, give Henson a shot. I doubt either one would be worse than Rak in coverage.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly

For some reason our coaching staff seems unwilling to change things up if one thing isn’t working (Blache came around for one week with blitzing). They act as if they have some obligation to certain players and don’t want to put the best players out on the field, or don’t want to put the best players in the best position to succeed.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

at this point

I’m convinced it’s overall stubbornness. If they put him at DE now and he becomes the dominant defensive player we expected, then he looks stupid for not doing it in the first place.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

I’m convinced Daniels has some pictures stashed somewhere of Blache or Zorn in a compromising position. Even Carter has been underwhelming in my view. The fact that this last game was the best of his career is kind of sad considering we brought him in to be an “elite pass rusher.” Sure, it was a good game. But his career? Julius Peppers probably has 2 or 3 of those games a season.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes!

Wilson may not be perfect SLB and Orakpo may not be the perfect DE but let them learn at the position, and be done with it.

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why isn't Orakpo perfect?

Do you mean he’s not as good as he will be yet or that he isn’t a good fit for DE? Wilson is playing out of position at SLB while Orakpo would be playing his natural position at DE is the source of my confusion not a belief that Orakpo is infallible.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarmon, and others have said it

They may make a mistake with an assignment or with the defensive call, but they will always try and will always move toward the ball. Not perfect in performing all aspects of the defensive call.
AS Orakpo plays DE he would become better, he may miss assignments which Daniels would not but he would make plays which Daniels cannot make due to his performance…

by dr WNC on Oct 14, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ahhh gotcha

thought you were trying to say Orakpo is too small to play DE or something. Still think putting Orakpo in Daniels slot is a bad idea. Misuse of his skills.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

your

answer is in your own question.

How could the coaching staff be so incompetent
 

and

don’t you think Randy Moss would be the best corner ever?

No, that was Tom Carter.

and furthermore

Jim Zorn knows 1000x more about football than me

This makes me pity you.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's not only better at DE

He’s also given up a couple big receptions to TEs, including the touchdown against CAR and, I’m pretty sure, one against Detroit.

Someone brought up just playing Horton there, and I don’t see why it wouldn’t make sense.

by Boo. on Oct 14, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said that last week I think, I don’t know why it wouldn’t work? Especially against teams without an elite TE.

by Parks Smith on Oct 14, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

SLBs spend most of their time shedding blockers and playing in tight quarters

that’s not where you want Horton

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

partly true

but according to B-Rak, he’s been playing in space.

“Right now I’m just really enjoying this new position, playing in space,”

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

compared to playing DE, perhaps

but SLBs spend most of their time shedding blockers, especially on run plays.

if we could guarantee that the offense only calls pass plays when Horton is in at SLB, and only calls runs when BO is in, that would be great.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 14, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe Zorn

with his “Aw Shucks” demeanor could work something like that out?

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Warning! Will Robinson. Warning!

Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.

by Scott E on Oct 15, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

I’d give Landry a look there. I think he’s better closer to the line anyway. While I’d still rather use Wilson and/or Henson for the bulk of the snaps, putting Landry there would at least cover your “getting the best players on the field” basis. Of course, this would be a different, maybe even INNOVATIVE, look, which goes completely against everything Blache believes in.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mean wouldn't Blades

help in run support and coverage better than Orakpo? I think the Orakpo at OLB thing is a FO mandate more than a Coaching decision. The whole idea has been universally panned since it’s inception. Orakpo was considered fairly decent against the run as a 4-3 rush end coming out so I’m sure he could do as good a job as Carter(who has gotten better and is pretty good at running plays down from behind) in that aspect. I still think the FO felt they ahd to have Orakpo starting by Game 1 and this was a sure fire way to produce that. Guys like Robert Mathis, KGB, Mark Anderson etc have made huge contributions just as a situational guys so even if Orakpo lost out the DE battle to Carter in Training Camp(unlikely) I think he would be a big part. I still don’t think Orakpo should be at Daniels spot though as that spot requires you to play run first. I think Jarmon and Orakpo should start and bring Carter off the bench in passing situations and move Jarmon inside. They already had Jarmon inside of carter a couple times last week.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jarmon

he was playing inside when he got the forced fumble correct?

SpotieOtieDopalicious

by Rekka on Oct 14, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

not sure

Only noticed him lining up inside last weekend. Glad we finally caught on to the prevailing trend in the 4-3 defense.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought he was lined up at LDE

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

YES!!!

I think Jarmon and Orakpo should start

my sentiments all along.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

How would you feel about

Trading some of our D-tackle depth to Atlanta or Carolina, who’ve been demolished by injuries and might be willing to part with some draft picks. With Jarmon being able to move inside, too, we have much more than we need.

by Boo. on Oct 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

put up a fanshot about how we are shopping Montgomery

I’d rather move Wynn or Alexander to tackle and only have Jarmon inside on passing situations.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Daniels

can play tackle too, if he insists on playing, I’d put him there.

by CJHutch on Oct 14, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are we giving up on Orakpo playing SLB after just 5 games? He said after the NYG game that he was not ready for the speed of the NFL game, so I assume he is going to need palying time to get better. We know he can play RDE already and that position is considered to be the easiest adjustment from college to the NFL. I don’t see what it will hurt to let him finish out the season at SLB. We are not going to make the playoffs, so why not let it play out? He has 2.5 sacks already playing RDE on passing downs, so it is kinda the best of both worlds. What am I missing? If he gets say 15 sacks this year after being switched to RDE, what does that get us? I’d like to see him get a few hits on people from SLB when unblocked and see what happens. If he can’t play SLB after this year, then he can play DE next year.

by liger99 on Oct 14, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Assuming we're not gonna make the playoffs this year

Then we would want Orakpo learning his real position rather than delaying his growth by playing him at a position he won’t play next year. He will be a better DE next year and the team will play better this year if he moves down to DE full time IMO. I would rather continue seeing him put serious hits on QB’s as DE rather than watch him get exploited in coverage. It will also help him to learn how to play the run as a DE better for next year. Something he’s not getting now and is very important next year. There is no short term or long term gain to continue playing him out of position.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure that playing the run from the DE position is as complex as you are making it out to be.

by liger99 on Oct 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn't make it out to be complex

I just said it’s important he learn how to do it and he is not learning that right now as a OLB. So why continue to slow down his growth as a player when it gives you no short or long term gain? Do you see any value long term in him being able to be an adequate OLB?

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah. At SLB he should be involved in more tackles, which increases his chances to make a play (like pulling/knocking the ball loose, we are lacking there). If he gains confidence at SLB, he could move up along the LOS prior to the snap either in a fake blitz or actually blitz position and force the OL to locate him and change/mess-up blocking assignments…as well as potentially forcing the QB into an unneeded audible or timeout if he can locate a soft spot. Additionally he would get more unblocked game-changing hits on the RB or QB from the SLB position. He is bad in coverage right now, but he has the speed/skills to be good at it. Of course he would need to improve at SLB now, and the only way for that to happen is to play there in more than a few games.

by liger99 on Oct 15, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that would be a total waste of talent

Why wait in vain for these mythical unblocked hits when he is crunching QB’s fairly consitently already at his real position? There is a reason your still waiting to see those hits from the OLB. CJ is right, a stud DE is way more important for a Defense than an OLB.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's not

so much giving up on him at SLB as it is wanting to put him in the best position for him to succeed. Getting hits is great, but game changing? Maybe sometimes. But not nearly as much as camping out in the backfield. A game changing DE is much more disruptive to an offense than a gamechanging LB.

by CJHutch on Oct 15, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay. At least I know where you are coming from. DE being a more impact position than LB is very debatable (LT or Reggie?). I’m assuming Orakpo will be in a rotation if he was at DE full time and not be on the field as much as compared to LB. Most teams are going with DL rotations and the NFC East has some very tough O lines, so I expect a rotation in those games to keep people fresh. I’m also assuming he would still move to DE on passing downs or blitz from the LB position….disruptive in either case. I also like that he can disrupt by moving around at the line from the LB spot prior to the snap and get QB and OL to change assignments/plays….a big advantage when playing at home and it is noisy. He could also freelance blitz eventually he can spot a good matchup against a TE or RB….where at DE teams could game plan to add extra blocking help by the RB or TE if he is commanding it from the DE position.

by liger99 on Oct 15, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

The LT-Reggie comparison isn't particularly apt

LT played OLB in a 3-4 defense. OLB’s in a 3-4 rush the passer almost the entire time. 4-3 OLB’s have different responsibilities. Look at Merriman. He’s a 3-4 OLB and he rushes the passer approx 85% of the time. He could not do that in a 4-3. LB’s primary responsibilites are stop the run and cover backs and TE’s. What you are suggesting with Orakpo would make the D very predictable. The other team knows we want to send him every time cuz thats his strength and he struggles in the other aspects. That means it’s easy for the other team to take advantage by throwing to TE’s or RB’s who will be open by either not being covered in Man or their being a large hole in Zone. Right now if you put Orakpo on the field at OLB you know he’s either gonna be rushing the passer or struggling against the run and in coverage. Very predicatable. Also just because someone is a DE doesn’t mean you can’t move him around on the line or have him step back and go into a 2 point stance or overload a certain side. Doesn’t it say something to you when we haven’t seen orakpo make a single big play as an OLB in pre or regular season? Yet he has had 2.5 sacks and several other big QB hits already in limited time as a DE. I think your argument would have more merit if Orakpo has shown an ability to get those unblocked hits and/or wasn’t showing a clear ability to get hits and sacks as a DE. In the end though Orakpo has little to no hope to be an average OLB or better while he has a very good chance of being an above average DE so why continue to dimish his contribution to the team by playing him out of position.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow, bro. I never said that he should be an every down blitzing LB who never covers or plays the run. If I thought it was possible to go there, I would have chosen my words more carefully. To clarify, I expect him to blitz or fake blitz a handful of times game. If he masters the position, eventually (like in a few years) get the option to selectively blitz. I also expect him to improve his coverage skills in order to be a full time SLB (i.e., eventually no more spot playing DE as part of the transition). If he can’t improve in coverage, then he should go to RDE full time. You seem to have already made up your mind on this, so it is probably best to stop the discussion. My initial question of ‘why are we not wanting this to play out?’ has been replied to. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

by liger99 on Oct 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Andre Carter has been playing well?

Sit Philip Daniels though. 0 sacks isn’t cutting it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can probably infer that Orakpo is outperforming Carter as a DE

Orakpo has played way less snaps there than Carter but is only one sack less. Orakpo has also had atleast half a sack the last 3 games implying consistency. Start Orakpo and Jarmon and have Carter come in on passing downs and have Jarmon move inside. There will be plenty of snaps for Orakpo, Carter, and Jarmon. While Orakpo playing Daniels spot isn’t as big of a misuse as playing him at OLB it’s still playing him out of position and limiting his impact.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Play the young guys, if the season is lost. But at this point, Carter isn’t our biggest problem…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk

by hibachi on Oct 14, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel they are outperforming Carter and Daniels

Whether the season is lost or not. I want to win every game we play. Thats an easy improvement. Using Carter as a situational guy isn’t that big of a deal he’ll still get lots of snaps I just think we can improve the D with Orakpo getting more opportunities at DE and one of our other LB’s playing the OLB spot when we aren’t in nickel or Cobra.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 14, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

no

but he isn’t our best pass rusher either.

by CJHutch on Oct 15, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah....

the td run by J Stewart was due to a bad play by Carter. He was playing LDE and put on an outside pass rush instead of looking run first, which is what the LDE should be doing in Blatche’s D. We never give up an easy td run like that. Tyron got smoked too on that play…he chased the WR who ended up blocking Landry. I will try to find the videos link and post it, but it was one of our worst D plays of the year.

by liger99 on Oct 14, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the phrase "In Blache's D"

that dude is overrated and his inability to adjust or be aggressive holds the D back.

by BayAreaBullet on Oct 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a stat geek and would be the first to admit

that I would not have believed the Skins to be anywhere near the top of the league in the “good” categories (except Fletcher in tackles, because when you lose teams run more on you). I would have to respectfully disagree with the author’s premise that there is not a big disparity between the worst and best teams. I don’t see how you could say that right now the Steelers are playing like one of the best teams (SB hangover? Monday Night Raw?) and the Cowboys are nowhere near the best in the league. I thinka more accurate picture would be gotten from looking at Giants-Raiders, Vikings-Rams, Saints-Bills, Broncos-Raiders, or Ravens-Browns.

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by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Who saw the MNF game last week?

Remember when we had a dominant O Line? sad. Soooo sad.

Here is some sunshine, I remember on MNF Art Monk breaking the record for catches, and POUNDING the Broncos. I think it was 30-3. Oh, the days!!!!!!

by brettpedigo on Oct 15, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

this isn't just cool aid

Seriously. The defense is doing fairly well and it’s true that there are teams with less talent on their offense who consistently score more than we do so I don’t think it’s unrealistic to hope for some real positive changes.

by aFan4Life on Oct 16, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

IMO

nobody has a worse OL than the one we’re going with this Sunday, and probably for the rest of the season.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

you may be right

I still haven’t figured out who the tackles are going to be if Heyer and Williams go back to playing guard. I’m guessing Rhinehart is one OT. who’s the other? Baptiste? Can he handle that?

by aFan4Life on Oct 16, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably true

Without our Pro Bowl LT, the talent level drops off of the cliff. But our WR corps, TEs, and QB are NOT the worst in the league, or even bottom 5.

by VA_Skin on Oct 16, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

WRs? I'd say bottom 10, at best

JC is getting there, probably bottom 15, at best.

Cooley is one of the best in the biz, but a great TE a roster does not make.

The Offensive Line is Snyder's Fault

by smutsboy1 on Oct 16, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

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