Kick it Old School

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT Comment 26 comments

Quoting my boy Bigrm18:

Yes, I realize we haven’t been great, but there’s no way anyone can justifiably want to change teams. People around here are acting as if we haven’t won a game this year, and we didn’t win any games last year. Don’t get me wrong, if someone comes up with a logical way to get Snyder to change his ways I’m all for it. But for someone to even think about switching teams tells me that they weren’t much of a fan in the first place. I don’t care if you’ve been a “fan” of the team for 30 years, if you decide to switch teams you’re being what’s called a bandwagon fan.

How come the Raiders of the past few years still have fans? How comes the Lions still have fans? How come the Saints before Drew Brees came to town had fans? Because the fans that were there during the 0-16,1-15, and 2-14 seasons were and still are true die hard fans. When’s the last time we had a deplorable season like that?

I’m not being delusional, I know things need to change because we all want the glory days restored. But I’m not being overly dramatic either, by wanting to change my team loyalty.

We can all agree that Snyder sucks!

But you know what I'm really looking forward to on Sunday? Hanging out with my friends, eating some wings, drinking some beer, and rooting for the Skins!

Football is supposed to be fun! Remember when you were a kid and you went to Redskins games (especially those of us that grew up in the Norve era), you didn't care if the Skins sucked or not and you probably didn't even know. You were just estatic to be there and see the team you loved!

It seems like now that we are all grown up and spend our own money on tickets everyone takes it way to seriously and has a sense of entitlement to bitch every day!

If you go to the game or watch the game on Sunday with your friends/family, chances are you're going to have a good time and I bet you the thousands of little kids at FedEx will too.

I don't know if its because of from Richmond and I was lucky to get to one game a year with my Dad and Grandpa, and it was truly a privledge or what that makes me feel this way? Do you know how many of you NOVA or Maryland guys I envy for growing up in the area and having the constant oppurtunities to go to see the Skins, Caps, Wiz, etc?

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Do you know how many of you NOVA or Maryland guys I envy for growing up in the area and having the constant oppurtunities to go to see the Skins, Caps, Wiz, etc?

Some of us actually do live in the city….

I'm to young to Die Danny...don't make me do it tomorrow....

by Rekka on Oct 13, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The District too, my bad

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And Some Did but now North Carolina

And no matter how bad the Skins are playing, when they come to Charlotte, I’m at the game. It’s exciting to watch, fun to enjoy but sucks getting beat or even blown out in the preseason, but either way you have Fun.

by dr WNC on Oct 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

I tried to get out there

I’m 20, from NoVa, but have never been to a Skins game (until the MNF in December this year), and I’m jealous of people who get to go to any games and will be a Skins fan for life… they’re the only pro team in the area I care a lot about, and the only one I care about anywhere near as much as my college. I will root for them and take advantage of every opportunity I get to watch them play. I don’t change allegiances for sports teams regardless of what happens.

by BDBrian on Oct 13, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

What is justifiable?

“Yes, I realize we haven’t been great, but there’s no way anyone can justifiably want to change teams.”

So what is?

There are justifiable reason to switch teams.

If a fan became a fan in the first place because of the way the team was run and then the way it is run changes completely. That’s a justifiable reason to change teams. Not coaching, that changes way too often but the actual management which makes a much bigger difference. And that is exactly what has happened with this team.

“I don’t care if you’ve been a "fan" of the team for 30 years, if you decide to switch teams you’re being what’s called a bandwagon fan.” Actually it’s not but you can learn about the real meaning here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandwagon_fan

By definition, fans who have stuck with their team through bad times are not bandwagon / fair weather fans.

Personally I doubt I really could switch loyalties after being a Redskins fan for so long but at this point I have very little faith that the team will ever improve beyond mediocrity with some major changes at the owner and GM level. The coaching needs to change too but without the FO getting a clue it’s going to be real hard to pull in a good coach – that’s why we have Zorn right now after all.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 1:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

There is absolutely positively ZERO justification for jumping ship when things are going bad.

By definition, fans who have stuck with their team through bad times are not bandwagon / fair weather fans.

This is true, which is why you’re being labeled as such.

by ReggieBullits on Oct 13, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you're an idiot

I have been with the team since the 70’s so actually by definition I’m not a bandwagon fan. The team hasn’t done well in 17 years, you haven’t noticed. This isn’t a new turn of events.

When the owner runs a team in a manner that the team can’t ever become more than mediocre then there is justification for leaving.

This team is nothing like it used to be and it’s all because of the owner. He needs to run the team like JKC did where older guys are signed but it’s not the only way the team is built. Most of the core guys were still picked up in the draft – the FA’s just filled in a couple holes.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If I was to turn my back on the Skins....

I wouldn’t watch football at all. If you are a true fan…..it’s that team or none. Unless you are under the age of 16 (trying to be cool) or a football team has been put in the city you live in after never having one, and you change favorite teams…..you are a bandwagon fan. I don’t give a rat’s ass what wikipedia says……..someone put that shit on there so they wouldn’t feel like a bandwagon fan when they started following the Patriots in the early 2000s!

by shvd98z24 on Oct 13, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for insulting me

I didn’t read that you’d been “a fan since the 70’s” and frankly, if I had, I’d think it even more bizarre that you’re giving up now.

To each their own.

by ReggieBullits on Oct 13, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was merely returning the favor

OR did you seriously think calling someone a bandwagon fan after they’ve hung with a team through 17 dismal seasons wasn’t an insult?

And I never said I was giving up. I said I think there are justifiable reason for leaving. Another one of which is if a team moves. A few weeks ago somebody has a post about moving the Redskins to the LA market. Any owner who moves his team like that doesn’t deserve fan loyalty.

The post basically says there is never a reason to leave a team…any team and that is nonsense.

Another good reason would be if the team name changes. To me it’s a joke that the Tennessee Titans pretend that they used to be the Houston Oilers. BS. The Oilers died and the Titans are a new team.

To me this is just another year of garbage NFL since the Redskins are playing terrible. In the long run it will just be another year like the last 17 years and probably the next 2 or 3 years. I don’t see any quick fixes for this team with the way Snyder has run it into the ground.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By definition, fans who have stuck with their team through bad times are not bandwagon / fair weather fans.

I agree with this, fans who have stuck with their team through thick and thin are the true, die hard fans. However, any fan that decides or thinks about switching teams is a bandwagon fan. You aren’t going to leave a bad team to go root for another bad team, you’re going to root for the team that is currently winning, and that is a bandwagon fan. Then what happens when the team that is currently winning stops winning all of a sudden?

Believe it or not, no franchise has contended for the Super Bowl every year of their existence. There was a time when the Steelers were terrible, the Giants were terrible, the Patriots were terrible, so on and so forth. If any of those franchise lose certain players due to retirement or whatever they can easily become terrible again. However, if we gain certain players we can easily become contenders again. This is just how all of sports is.

As I said earlier, I want things to change because I’m tired of us being an average or a below average team with a sprinkle of a promising team every few years. And when we all come up with a sensical way to get Snyder to realize what he’s doing is wrong, count me in. But, for anyone that is thinking about switching allegiances, please give me a logical reason why. Because I’m trying to figure out why the Lions, Saints (before Drew Brees) and Raiders have had fans the past few years. If their fans couldn’t come up with a reason to jump ship, how can you?

by bigrm18 on Oct 13, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

you missed it

First off “any fan that decides or thinks about switching teams is a bandwagon fan” is just flat out wrong. While you personally can choose to ignore definitions, that choice does not change the definition of the term no matter how much you want it to. Nice try but you’re wrong.

Secondly, I just listed 2 logical reasons why.

1) The team moves. Do you remember the Colts exodus from Baltimore? I do and any fan who left them after the way they handled that was justified.

2) The team changes. The example of that is the Houston Oilers. That team is gone and the Tennesse Titans are not the same team. Right now our team is the “Washington Redskins”. To me they aren’t the same team if one of those 2 words change. I don’t cheer for the “Los Angeles Redskins” or the “Washington Bureaucrats”.

by ZakInOmaha on Oct 14, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The two reasons

The definition of a bandwagon fan comes from actual fans, not Wikipedia. Whoever created the definition of bandwagon fan on Wikipedia, probably never even watched sports in their life, so I could care less about a definition on Wikipedia.

You listed two reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with the Redskins’ situation right now. We aren’t moving and the team isn’t changing, so that’s two situations that are completely pointless in listing. I’m talking about switching team allegiances while your former team is still in existence and will be in existence for a long time.

by bigrm18 on Oct 14, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Fine then,

you’re not a bandwagon fan. You’re a spineless person thats not loyal to the team that he/she loved at one point in time. Please dude, go over to the Vikings blog, I’m sure they’d appreciate you alot more than we do.

by travisjh86 on Oct 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Remember when people used to talk about football on this blog?

That was awesome

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 2:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

+10

by shvd98z24 on Oct 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, this is a football blog?

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What team are we rooting for then?

by travisjh86 on Oct 13, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

the Wizards

by pas493 on Oct 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey I understand the problem

when the team sucks because it is lacking any apparent direction., You get tantalized by a couple of playoff appearances and you catch yourself thinking, you know just maybe….

When you watch TV and all they do is spent a few minutes on why your game will suck this weekend and you will end up agreeing with them., but you watch anyway.

When you watch the owner, just like every Joe Fan remembers that two years ago we led Seattle at Seattle and had the ball in the 4th quarter and that hangs in your minds eye and you can see why he went all in on a strait draw while ignoring the flush draw that was one card away on the river.

When even the NFL Red Zone doesn’t show your team’s TD’s.

When you’ve faced a slate of teams that have yet to win a game, until they play your team.

When the owner can’t get out of his own way and the Coach can’t find his.

I wish my fellow fans the capacity to continue to persevere and to those that need to get off the ride due to nausea, I understand, but we’ll soldier on without ya. Go in peace and may your next fan experience be a better one, but if you become a Cowboys fan, then you’re dead to us.

I used to be disgusted, now I try to be amused....

by piratedan7 on Oct 14, 2009 3:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs